User talk:Myodus

Hi there. Please don't use article talk pages as forums for general discussion of the subject of the article. See WP:NOTAFORUM. That said, it's unclear to me where you're getting the idea that people don't "have access" to healthcare. Anyone can access the healthcare system; they just have to pay for it, either directly to doctors and hospitals, or via insurance. It's also highly debatable whether health care is somehow a "human right". Finally, it's not entirely clear why you think anyone should have their debt forgiven or lowered simply because of a financial crisis, especially as this would seem likely to cause further collapse. Centrify (f / k / a FCAYS)  (talk)  (contribs) 20:19, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

First of all, you are an idiot. I never said debt should be forgiven. Debt should be re-adjusted, let me try to explain why:

Debt should be lowered because the money in circulation has declined, and because of the inflation loans caused on the value of the collateral goods:
 * bank gives loans to home-buyers
 * Home prices go up
 * House is used as collateral for loan
 * Housing bubble bursts
 * Contract is no longer valid since the value of the collateral is no longer the same as in the contract. The lender (the bank) is the same person who is responsible for the inflated collateral (the house). The bank has in effect borrowed its own collateral to itself. This is a fault at the end of the bank. This can be fixed by lowering the loan amount.

Besides the legal issue of the bank inflating its own collateral, there is also a good economic reason to adjust the loans: Making sure people can live normally and pay back the loans. Currently a lot of people are living in a downwards debt spiral that prevents them from being productive healthy human beings. This is causing economic damage. That should be pretty obvious.

If you would be less stupid, then you would understand that value in an economy does not come from money, but from the people that work in it. If those people are sick and if they cannot pay back their loans, then this means you lose value in your economy. Loss of real value in an economy always leads to economic problems, like the ones seen in the financial crisis. Simply adjusting the bank's balances is no solution to the *real* problems caused by the crisis. The fact that you do not understand this rather obvious fact proves that you are stupid.

Secondly, health-care is a human right. Again, let me try to show you why: Health as human right:

The Second Bill of Rights proposed by Franklin D. Roosevelt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

Roosevelt's remedy was to declare an "economic bill of rights" which would guarantee:

Employment, with a living wage, Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies, Housing, Medical care, Education, and, Social security

UN declaration of human rights: http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Article 25. (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. --Myodus (talk) 21:18, 15 October 2011 (UTC)