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Speedy deletion nomination of Seth Ect (band)


A tag has been placed on Seth Ect (band) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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March 2012
Welcome to Wikipedia. I have noticed that some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to Born to Die (Lana Del Rey album), have conflicted with our neutral point of view and verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you to seek consensus for certain edits. Thank you. - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 19:43, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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nonfree content on your userpage
Per the policies on the usage of non-free content on Wikipedia, non-free audio files are not allowed on pages outside of the article namespace, including userpages. The sound files on your user page are copyrighted and unlicensed, so I had to remove them. I'm sorry if you are upset by my editing your page without your permission, but this is a rule where Wikipedia allows no exceptions. I want to make sure you know that this isn't personal. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions, or to seek another editor's opinion at the WP:MCQ discussion board. Several of the userboxes on your userpage also appear to include copyrighted/trademarked logos, which would also violate NFCC requirements. It woulb be helpful if you reviewed the userboxes and either removed any nonfree images or substituted appropriate free images for them. If you do not do so, it is likely that another editor will simply remove the images. Thank you. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 16:51, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey Myxomatosis57. I just wanted to thank you for fixing the block quote on the Sandusky article. I'm the one that screwed that up back on 7/25 while switching out references. I didn't even realize that I'd clipped off the tail-end of the markup until your edit, so thanks. Evenrød (talk) 21:17, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

August 2012
Welcome to Wikipedia. I have noticed that some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to Geek U.S.A., have conflicted with our neutral point of view and verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you to seek consensus for certain edits. Thank you. Friginator (talk) 22:30, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Please refrain from changing genres, as you did to Untitled (The Smashing Pumpkins song), without providing a source and without establishing a consensus on the article's talk page first. Genre changes to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. Thank you. Friginator (talk) 22:30, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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September 2012
Please refrain from changing genres, as you did to FutureSex/LoveSounds, without providing a source and without establishing a consensus on the article's talk page first. Genre changes to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. Thank you. Dan56 (talk) 21:33, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to change genres without discussion or sources, as you did at 10,000 Days, you may be blocked from editing. Dan56 (talk) 04:26, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * At this point, the genre of the 10,000 Days was changed by an IP without sourcing. The genre also gone through some other editings later (such as this), all of them being changed without any sources or reaching consensus in the talk page. (Can be considered as a genre war) As a result, I decided to revert it to how it was before. However, I suppose this editing was also considered disruptive. I have nothing to say about my previous genre edits as I was wrong. Nevertheless, I started to suspect that this edit was mindlessly regarded as malicious due to some of my previous edits. I am not trying to accuse anyone of bad faith however this situation just baffles me. Myxomatosis75 (talk) 13:33, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Invitation
Hello, friend if you're interested kindly place your thoughts on this ongoing discussion.Regards.  Bloomgloom   talk   07:08, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Leathers (song)
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Thanks, Batard0 (talk) 13:08, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Deftones - Leathers single cover, 2012.jpg)
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Psyborg Corp
Hi, this article is being discussed for deletion. Since you have contributed to it you may be interested in taking part to the discussion. ZipoBibrok5x10^8 (talk) 19:17, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Category:Emilie Autumn
Category:Emilie Autumn, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:19, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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November 2012
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you recently tried to give Wonky Pop a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Wonky pop. This is known as a "cut and paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is needed for attribution and various other purposes. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

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Genre addition
Thank you for your contributions to articles like How I Got Over, but the source you used is a bit questionable. Editors in the past have pointed out that Allmusic's sidebar is often incongruous with the reviewer's prose (possibly not the reviewer's choice), including at WP:ALBUMS and RSN. A perfect example is Rhythm Killers and its entry at Allmusic; the sidebar lists it as "reggae", but the reviewer observes "no reggae in sight really". If this is the only source available for a certain article, then it's fine, but more explicit, authored sources are preferred. Dan56 (talk) 17:51, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Filling in citations
Hey I just made a new article, C'mon Billy, and I suck at filling in citations properly. I know you've won Barnstars for your work with citations so can you help please? Also if you know anything about the song please feel free to add to it. --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 18:17, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Psybient


A tag has been placed on Psybient, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate,. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

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WikiProject Industrial invitation
I've seen you around some industrial pages, and thought you'd want to make it official. Cheers. —Torchiest talkedits 22:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I see you're already in the members category. But perhaps you'd rather have this shiny userbox: User WikiProject Industrial Member ? —Torchiest talkedits 22:03, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Hardcore punk has nothing to do with Alternative rock
Hardcore punk did not influence Alternative rock, you must have Alternative rock confused with it's sub genre Grunge. Alternative rock literally started around the same time in 1977/78 with the The Go-Betweens so i don't see how it can be influenced by Hardcore. Go listen to early Alt band like R.E.M does that sound like Hardcore punk to you? One more thing neither of Allmusic pages on Hardcore Punk and Alternative says nothing about them being related besides being part of Post-Hardcore.--Greaymarshess (talk) 05:09, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Let's try to keep this chat on one page shall we? The genre page is going by it's cultural roots which is Post-punk New wave and Punk. Bands like Husker Du ,Minutemen(which are post-punk)and Green river came years later. If you are gonna add Hardcore punk you might as well add No wave too since Sonic Youth is considered part of Alternative rock. Unless Allmusic specifically states that Alternative rock is rooted in Hardcore punk it's not getting added.--Greaymarshess (talk) 05:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Quit commenting on my page. we are going by the Stylistic origins that is not Cherry Picking. make sure you understand what a word mean before accusing someone of it.Your other sources are also unreliable, It's basically just random googled articles that have no legitimacy to Alternative rock as a genre.--Greaymarshess (talk) 22:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Why don't we try to reach a consensus on the talk page of alternative rock with the help of other users, instead of assuming bad faith on each other? (Also how come those articles or even books can be unreliable, "random" googled articles? They're better than citing Allmusic. Also please do me a favor, add jangle pop to the stylistic origins of alternative rock. Both REM and The Go Betweens were also jangle pop bands, you know. And your logic asserts that a genre just appeared with a few bands, "instantly". Alternative rock didn't just suddenly appear, it gradually developed with taking diverse influences. Otherwise, why don't we have an exact year in the cultural origins section? Also as I mentioned, there's a whole section on the hardcore punk article (all properly sourced) about the genre's influences on alternative music.) Myxomatosis75 (talk) 00:28, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Alternative rock evolved of course and is honestly almost as diverse as punk itself, but punk was not it's only influence. Remember so called "classic rock", new wave, post-punk, and metal were all influences as well. Are you guys forgetting about The Cure or even bands like Joy Division? Both bands are considered alternative rock and date back to the 70s. What about major influences on alternative rock such as Captain Beefheart? (which this is mentioned in the The Captain's article.) The fact that The Captain isn't even mentioned as a major influence on the alternative rock article is beyond me... You can't honestly tell me you guys think alternative rock started in the 80s. Also all alternative rock sub-genres are under the umbrella of alternative rock, so their influences are alternative rock's, unless of course you consider grunge a fusion genre (which some do consider it a punk/psychedelic/metal fusion) I don't though... Honestly you could argue that all rock sub-genres that predate alternative rock influenced alternative rock, and you'd be correct! Any genre that has The Cure, R.E.M., My Bloody Valentine, Alice in Chains (grunge IS a type of alternative rock), Queens of the Stoneage, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Radiohead and The Replacements all listed to together must be a diverse as hell genre. The bands I just listed sound nothing alike and have completely different stylistic origins yet are all definitely Alternative Rock. Bands like R.E.M. made alternative rock popular, but of course they don't define the genre. That'd be as silly as basing grunge off of Nirvana or Pearl Jam. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 01:40, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

With all of that said hardcore punk is just one of Alternative Rock's many influences and I mean MANY. --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 01:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if this is the change in question, but everything should be attributed to the most reliable sources on the topic (WP:STICKTOSOURCE). If they explicitly say that hardcore punk is a stylistic progenitor to alternative rock, then there is no need for consensus. Dan56 (talk) 01:58, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

If you just concentrate on the sound influences you miss the most important reasons why Hardcore influenced Alternative. It was the for lack of a better word the "indie" lifestyle and attitude that influenced Alternative. Also important Hardcore scenes developed in college towns, small to medium size cities. Even in Southern California Orange County had the largest scene. When Alt exploded in the 90's it was largely outside of the NY/LA axis. Members of the most popular Alt bands were in Hardcore bands. Getting back to sound The Replacements and Husker Du are two acts where Alernative broke out on its own from the larger catchall New Wave. Hardcore is one of the most important of many influences on alt.

Copied to Alternative Rock Talk Page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alternative_rock#Stylistic_Origin Edkollin (talk) 02:08, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

But listing Hardcore punk as a stylistic origin is saying all Alternative rock was influenced by Hardcore punk. What you don't seem to understand is that Hardcore punk influenced Alt rocks sub genres but not the genre from the get go. We are talking about the origin not about what influenced it years later.If we are gonna add Hardcore punk we might as well add Folk rock for bands like R.E.M and the Dbs who were influenced by the "Jangle" sound of The Byrds or Noise rock for bands like Sonic Youth and Dinosaur Jr.--Greaymarshess (talk) 07:46, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I completely agree with Mrmoustache14 Psychedelic rock is another one that could be added for bands like The Flaming Lips and XTC.--Greaymarshess (talk) 08:00, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Genre changes
Hello, please stop making unexplained and unsourced genre changes, as ou did at "Light My Fire". Thanks! Graham 87 09:15, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


 * You're trying to force an unsourced genre change at Kyuss as well. Even if you can find a source to back up what you're trying to do, these types of changes really should be discussed on the talk page beforehand in order to gain consensus and avoid the possibility of conflict and/or edit warring. There has already been a discussion regarding genre on the Kyuss talk page and alternative metal was never even brought up at that time. ChakaKongtalk 15:42, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Allmusic is a questionable source at best when it comes to identifying genre. Allmusic writers do not always agree with the genres Allmusic assigns to an artist, as has already been pointed out to you above in a separate discussion regarding music/genre. Start a talk page discussion, and if you're able to get a consensus for the change you'll be free to make said change. That's how we do things here without the conflict. ChakaKongtalk 18:02, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * That citation was already there prior to your edit and no one objected to it; go ahead and remove it if you'd like. I frankly have better things to do right now. ChakaKongtalk 03:11, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Korn
Thank you for the citation for industrial metal! If you find others, don't hesitate to add them so that the dispute (which has been on-going with a lot of users) might finally come to a close. Please do use the Talk:Korn page to insert your thoughts on the matter of the Genre. Again, thanks for your contribution! Nbcwd (talk) 20:02, 21 December 2012 (UTC)