User talk:Mz55

Cease and desist
Please stop your deliberate misindexing of articles such as Vladimir Ruzicka. Leave the proper sort keys that are already there. Do not add improper sort keys if you add any categories to articles. I fixed that one. Go back and fix any others you have messed up the same way. Gene Nygaard 00:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The result of misindexing was unintentional, although also not created by me. If you do take notice on the affected lists, you will notice that it is the case in more than only those cases. Some of the related articles even had entries of both styles. Although I do understand the benefits of working indexing, and that doing certain practical solutions to solve technical problems is justified, the problem of it even in the affected lists is nothing new nor created by me. -Mz55 00:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It was indeed created by you.


 * Furthermore, you do not have support for the rest of your changes either. If I'm not mistaken, this has been discussed extensively in the past in the WikiProject pages for ice hockey.  Gene Nygaard 00:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It indeed was severed by the unintentional edits, but for example the article Roman Cechmanek still (after your edits) does have diacritics in the entries for the lists. What comes to the other issue, there is no consensus against the use of diacritics in foreign language names. And how could there be, as even in the very own (if mostly of foreign origin) words of the English language there are such. However I do admit to the lack of support when you demonstrate the consensus by modifying the articles café, résumé or rosé. For the possible if mysterious argument of using diacritics (and similar items) in the English language but not in foreign names, do feel free to underline the consensus with the articles Teemu Selänne, Dominik Hašek and Markus Näslund. In all cases I apologise the indexing trouble, and do accept the plain sorting as the correct one through technical issues, but rest my case what comes to the general issue of diacritics in En:Wiki, be it ice hockey or international relations. -Mz55 00:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. ccwaters 18:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Give me a break, you reverted my edit, not the other way around. -Mz55 19:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, We're both at 3. We are both done for the day. ccwaters 19:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd report you at that 4th one, but I'm curious to you reply at WP:Hockey. Seriously, read WP:3rr and see that your claimed exception to 3rr is not valid. Cheers and keep that policy in mind for the future. ccwaters 19:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not fighting a war here, nor playing a turn-based game. I'm also not interested if I'm being temporarily or eternally banned or not because of being right - as said spelling personal, Latin names is a very easy matter and it is also very easy to define if the form Teemu Selänne or the form Teemu Selanne is more correct. You naturally do oppose the naming Joé Juneau as well? -Mz55 19:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "You naturally do oppose the naming Joé Juneau as well". On en.wiki? Yes. ccwaters 19:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Let it be so. -Mz55 19:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

We typically leave the "native" spelling in the bold byline. ccwaters 20:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you. -Mz55 20:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I would think my last revision to Vladimir Ruzicka is the preferred format. See also: Alexei Yashin, Bill Clinton for other byline treatments. We are not denying the native spellings, just using most common throughout the article. ccwaters 20:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I would also check the John Paul II, just in case. -Mz55 20:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello, Mz55. Suggest you check in on Talk:Colorado Avalanche (discussion covers all 30 NHL team pages). NHl team articles, should reflect their NHL sources (mainley NHL team official website). That reflection is, diacritics aren't used. Again see discussion (on above mentioned discussion page). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GoodDay (talk • contribs) 19:29, 7 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Checked the John Paul II page, his polish birth name has diacritics (that's correct), his title name page (his Papal name) is spelled in ENGLISH. Point is, NHL player bio pages should have title in ENGLISH (non-diacritics), rest of article should have diacritics. GoodDay 20:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits
Hey. I have reverted your edits to several ice hockey player articles. In Finnish and Swedish alphabet, "å", "ä" and "ö" are individual letters, and not some accents/diacritics added to other letters. You also changed the bolded name in the lead section. This should be the same as the page name, as per WP:MOS. Thanks, Prolog 22:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The so called consensus does not recognise this view of things, sorry. -Mz55 02:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Currently, consensus on WikiProject's Team players pages, was that the Title of euro/french NHL players names, wouldn't have diacritics. The diacritics however, are aloud in the bio articles content. GoodDay 23:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)"
 * The consensus was that on TEAM pages there are no diactrics but in players pages and especially the names of articles there are to be used.--Djsasso 02:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreement was, the Title be in English, see Jaromir Jagr. Not in diacritics, see Antero Nittymaki. GoodDay 19:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The current agreement seems to be Antero Niittymäki... -Mz55 21:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, the NHLPA lists NHL player bios as English Title, diacritcs in content. GoodDay 22:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't attack a solution where the NHL related articles leave the diacritics out, but the personal articles and the non-NHL (or AHL, ECHL...) would use the most correct spelling. Even if I don't agree, I can see why someone could suggest NHL to have some authority over NHL-related articles. To see the authority over personal or non-NHL -related articles, however, is completely impossible. -Mz55 14:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've gotten to the point, where I'd like to see this Diacriticals dispute end, one way or the other (diacritical or no diacriticals). Perhaps the Arbitration Committee will be the next step. The major question in all of this? Should all Linguistic Wikipedias give equal treatment to Diacritics. Does the English Wikipedia, have the right to anglonize non-Anglo names? The entrenchment of opposing editors on the diacriticals debate, will lead to no solution. Perhaps an AC rulings is needed. GoodDay 19:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Check out Krm500's compromise, at my talk page. I think the compromise is great. GoodDay 23:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)