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Stephen Hegyes
Please see if there are enough references in Stephen Hegyes now to merit removal of the caution re IMDB.

Dreadarthur (talk) 14:06, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I removed the IMDb maintenance tag. However, I encourage you to try to replace the IMDb sources with sources to reliable sources, if you can. Cheers, Mz7 (talk) 14:48, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Miss Multiverse page deleted
Greetings Stephen, i have created the page Miss Multiverse, it was deleted once before about a year ago, i dont understand why if it has all the right references, no use of promotion, just facts, there are even winners of this event whom have profiles on wikipedia... and its still deleted as if this beauty pageant does not exist.

There are many smaller beauty pageants listed on wikipedia, we are just not able to comprehend why this is happening, it takes time to learn how to use wikipedia and frustrating to see someone just come and delete it.

I will appreciate your help enormously

Best regards,

Jose Cuello (talk) 14:01, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Taking into consideration the opinion of you and others on the talk page of the article, I removed the speedy deletion tag. The editor who tagged the page has no objections. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Mz7 (talk) 03:16, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

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The 57th Dynasty
Hi again Mz7

Since last you helped (which I eternally grateful for), I have moved and further developed my draft article to hopefully a wikipedia entry standard. I have yet to source the associated photographs to be inserted in the article, but that's next on the agenda. I was wondering, as a matter of good practice, should I source and insert photos before "going live" with the article, or is it ok to simply go live and later on down the line continue to edit/develop?

Also, with regard to title case, when I moved the article, I mistakenly renamed it The 57th dynasty (small "d"). Am I being too exact in wanting to rename it again, this time with capital "D"? Apologies for the trivial nature of my questions, but I figure it's best to learn and implement good practice from the onset, rather than not.

Thanks in advance --Cornelius Henson (talk) 01:13, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi . Your draft looks great at first glance! Wikipedia has a rather stringent image use policy that dictates what kind of images can be used in Wikipedia articles. Make sure your images are either freely licensed, in the public domain, or qualified under the non-free content criteria. It is certainly OK to "go live" now and worry about images later. Generally, article titles should be precise and reflective of how reliable sources exhibit it. I think you should definitely rename the page again to capitalize the 'd' if you feel that would make it more precise. Best, Mz7 (talk) 02:38, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Akhu Tönpa Review
Thanks for reviewing my article! I'll be adding content soon to that stubby little thing to give it some meat.

Best, Upjav (talk) 05:20, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Face-smile.svg You're welcome! Mz7 (talk) 16:59, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

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user name
Hello, if at Articles for deletion/I'm in Love with My Car New York Brad beleives my username is in violation, why didn't he tell me directly? He just mentioned it there to make my deletion look bad? I+delete+things+alot (talk) 06:44, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * 's intentions probably weren't to attack you personally. Most people add comments in an attempt to contribute positively to the discussion. In the deletion process, we do sometimes see editors who make frivolous nominations, and your username might make you look like one of those editors. One possibility is that he probably thought that since you would be monitoring the discussion, you would see the comment, and there would be no need to leave the same message on your talk page—ultimately saving time (this may not be the case, as I am not Newyorkbrad). Did his remark harm your case? Maybe. But keep in mind that disputes occur all the time on Wikipedia, and editors will usually look for all of the information that is available. If something is irrelevant it will usually be dismissed.
 * You are not in trouble. Your nomination wasn't necessarily "bad"; rather, it was unsuccessful. Some of our more experienced editors still make unsuccessful deletion nominations. It's a part of building the encyclopedia. It would be advisable, however, to request a username change, since some editors may get a bad first impression by simply looking at your username, thus putting you at an inherent disadvantage when editing the encyclopedia. Best, Mz7 (talk) 15:23, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I+delete+things+alot:I assumed that having nominated an article for deletion, you would be keeping an eye on the discussion and would therefore see my comment at the time. I also linked your username, which should have triggered an alert notification at the time; I'm not sure why you didn't get it, if you didn't. Beyond that, I agree with Mz7's comments here. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:45, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Cng AfDs
Hi. When closing AfDs as 'redirect' please remember to add the appropriate 'R from...' template, in  particular for schools: R from school  to  the redirect page so that  it  automatically  adds the appropriate message and populates the school  redirect  cat. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:03, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh yes! Thank you for the reminder! —Mz7 (talk) 16:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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Page curation
What is the reason for unreviewing it? Kges1901 (talk) 20:53, 2 July 2014 (UTC)Kges1901
 * Hi. Firstly, I thought that the article wasn't written in a neutral point of view. It reads somewhat like an advertisement. I unreviewed it primarily so another user could check the notability of the subject, and possibly nominate it for deletion. It appears it has now been nominated for speedy deletion under multiple criteria (blatant advertising and no claim of significance) by . There was absolutely nothing wrong with your review; I just thought it needed further checking for issues. Thanks for your question. Mz7 (talk) 21:00, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * EdgewoodAve.com has been speedily deleted as a copyright violation. Mz7 (talk) 17:40, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Proposal re June BED
There is a proposal at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/June_2014_Backlog_Elimination_Drive that merits your consideration Fiddle   Faddle  16:49, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

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Kauai Hindu Monastery
Hey mz7, can you delete Kauai Hindu Monastery for me? just please, at any cost. --Wayoyo (talk) 01:44, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * If you are the author of a page, and no one else has substantially contributed to the page, you may request that the page be deleted under section G7 of the criteria for speedy deletion. To do so, place the following text at the top of the page and an administrator will delete it for you: . I have already done this for you. See Wikipedia's deletion policy and the criteria for speedy deletion for more information on deletion. Mz7 (talk) 01:52, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * yes, i am the author of the page. can you tell me what to do now? --Wayoyo (talk) 02:04, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not an administrator; thus I do not have the technical privilege to delete your page. I have, however, already requested to administrators to delete your page. I apologize if I was unclear. As of now, there shouldn't be anything you need to do. Your page should be deleted as soon as an administrator sees it. If I am still unclear, feel free to ask me. Mz7 (talk) 02:10, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅: the page has been deleted. Mz7 (talk) 21:31, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * If at any time you wish to undelete the article, you may request so at Requests for undeletion. All the best, Mz7 (talk) 21:32, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Toronto Consort
Hi Mz7,

I'm writing on behalf of The Toronto Consort, a professional early music ensemble regarding our wiki page which I just edited. I'm writing this in reply to the "early deletion" notice our page just received. The reason why I added various categories before editing any content, is because my boss is still working on finalizing our content material, however she wanted The Consort to be part of the various early music lists.

Please advise me as to what I should be doing next. Should delete the categories and only add them again after I have edited some content?

Thanks,

Dikran Abrelian Intern at The Toronto Consort — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Toronto Consort (talk • contribs) 20:12, 25 July 2014‎ (UTC)


 * Hello Dikran. I'm not Mz7, but a "talk page stalker" who has seen your post and has a response for you.
 * Your account name is a problem. Names of organizations are explicitly disallowed by Wikipedia's username policy. An account may only represent a single individual and never be shared. You may request a change of username if you wish, or simply abandon this account.
 * You should not be writing about your own organization - this is called a conflict of interest. While it isn't forbidden, it's highly discouraged because it's difficult for someone connected to the organization to write about it in a plainly factual and objective manner.
 * Wikipedia is not for advertising or promotion, and just because an organization exists doesn't mean it is worthy of inclusion. Any organization must be notable per Wikipedia's notability guidelines for organizations. Also, the organization cannot control the content of its article. Wikipedia articles can be edited by anyone, and any contributions may be significantly altered by others.
 * I suggest you read the plain and simple conflict of interest guide, regardless of what you decide to do about your username. Good luck. --Drm310 (talk) 20:33, 25 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello Dikran. Firstly, welcome to Wikipedia! Drm310 covered the bases for me (thanks!), but since I spent some time typing out a response, here's what I have to say: Wikipedia has an important policy that requires all articles to be written from a neutral point of view—representing all viewpoints fairly and without bias. Since you are professionally affiliated with your organization, The Toronto Consort, you may have what we call a conflict of interest. Having a conflict of interest means that you may find it difficult to write in a neutral point of view. For example, you may inadvertently embellish your organization too much, or write disparagingly about your competitors. For this reason, editing or creating articles which you may have a conflict of interest with is strongly discouraged. Please read our plain and simple conflict of interest guide for tips on the way forward.


 * One rule we do have in connection with conflicts of interest is that accounts used by more than one person will unfortunately be blocked from editing. Wikipedia generally does not allow editors to have usernames which imply that the account belongs to a company or corporation. If you have a username like this, you should request a change of username or create a new account. (A name that identifies the user as an individual within a given organization may be OK.)


 * To avoid speedy deletion in the future, you should generally publish your article content first, then add relevant categories. Above all else, you should make sure your content is verifiable through referencing in reliable sources. Articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. A test I often recommend is the amnesia test:
 * Forget everything you know about the subject you want to write about—act as if you know nothing.
 * Go online and do research on the subject, focusing more closely on third-party news sources and less on sources affiliated with the subject; be sure to check the reliability of the sources
 * From your research, and your research only, write an article
 * If you find that there are few or no sources to use, the subject may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.
 * If you need help referencing, see Referencing for beginners. Another good read is Your first article. I apologize for inundating you with all these links, but these guidelines are important to ensure we write a high-quality, unbiased encyclopedia. In any case, thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. —Mz7 (talk) 20:41, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Teahouse answer
Really good answer. Mind if I copy your text for future use? --Neil N  talk to me 16:03, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Face-smile.svg Thank you, and don't mind at all! Mz7 (talk) 16:04, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Neil N  talk to me 16:12, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Miss Multiverse
Greetings, would you kindly take a look and see why is it that Miss Multiverse is once again put for delete, i have read the wikipedia policies and the article meets the policies and it also states that once an article is approved by an administrator it cannot put for delete again. Jose Cuello (talk) 06:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Greetings Jose Cuello. There is no rule that prevents a page from being nominated for deletion multiple times—even if it has been endorsed by an administrator. There are several reasons a page may be deleted from Wikipedia; the reason your article has been scrutinized a bit more closely than other articles is because an article about Miss Multiverse has been created before and subsequently deleted. The core issue at hand is the notability of the subject of the article. Generally, for a subject to be notable, it must have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. When an article is nominated for deletion, a discussion will usually take place to determine if the nominator's concerns are valid. Wikipedia uses consensus to decide things, so if there is a consensus to delete the article after a discussion, the page will be deleted. (On the contrary, if there is a consensus to keep the page, it will be kept. If there is no discernible consensus either way, the page will be kept.) If you disagree with the nominator, the best course of action is to politely vocalize your disagreement at the discussion page in a convincing way. It appears you have already commented at the deletion discussion. Make sure you support your position with quality evidence. The best evidence is reliable sources.


 * Unfortunately, no matter how much you think you are right (or how much you know you are right), the community may ultimately decide against you. It is common to feel angry or hurt when seeing after seeing hours of your work deleted. If this happens, try finding something else to do on Wikipedia—there are many other ways you can contribute to Wikipedia. For future article creations, I recommend using the articles for creation process, which submits a draft of your article for review by another editor before it is published to decrease the risk of deletion. If your submission has errors, it will simply be declined, instead of deleted—giving you the opportunity to fix any errors and re-submit. Whatever happens, I wish to enthusiastically thank you for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and I hope you'll be around to contribute some more. Best of luck, Mz7 (talk) 23:03, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

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Saraswati Mandir High School
Thanks for your review. I will expand the article with references to third-party sources.Kailasher (talk) 03:31, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Face-smile.svg You're welcome! Mz7 (talk) 03:33, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Help with new article?
Hi Mz7

I saw your profile in the Teahouse and you mention you sometimes help review new articles, so I thought I would reach out and ask for your help in reviewing an article I am working on.

I have put it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Musicfanlondon/paulpacifico

I would appreciate any feedback.

With thanks and kind regards (Musicfanlondon (talk) 19:24, 8 August 2014 (UTC))


 * Hi . I will certainly try to help you, but unfortunately I'm a bit busy this weekend. I'll see what I can do. What usually decides the fate of articles is whether editors can establish the notability of the subject. Notability generally depends on the availability of reliable third-party sources (reliable sources that are completely independent of the subject) that discuss a topic. Examples include newspapers, news websites, and books. Third-party sources that discuss a subject directly are stronger evidence to a subject's notability than sources that only mention or quote the subject passively. There is also a separate notability guideline for musicians—if the subject satisfies any one of these criteria, it will pass notability. If the subject satisfies none of the notability criteria, and few or no reliable third-party sources can be found, then the subject may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time. I'll review your draft more thoroughly as soon as I can. Best, Mz7 (talk) 03:18, 9 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello and sorry for this untimely response. I have reviewed the content and sources in your draft for Paul Pacifico, and after consulting with a couple of other reviewers, I have to say that Pacifico's is probably not notable enough for Wikipedia at this time.


 * As I said earlier, notability depends on the availability of reliable third-party sources that discuss the topic. I can see a small argument for notability with sources such as The Independent and BBC; however, those sources lack a more in-depth coverage of Pacifico as a person since they only quote him. Some of your sources do not discuss Pacifico at all (they are useful for verifying information in the article but do not contribute to Pacifico's notability), and some of your sources, such as Discogs, are not considered reliable sources because they consist of only user-generated content. There are also a few sources that are published by the subject himself or by one of his companies, or are otherwise affiliated directly with the subject. To show notability, we generally need third-party sources, and sources affiliated with the subject contribute only weakly to notability.


 * As a result, I feel there is insufficient evidence of notability in sources for this subject. I think that if you publish this draft as it stands, it may be nominated for deletion, and there is a chance it may not be retained. Unfortunately, there is very little you can do to overcome a lack of notability in terms of editing. So that's my feedback on your draft right now. The best thing you can do is find some more sources that discuss Pacifico as a person. If such sources don't exist, I suggest waiting a few months to see if any such sources turn up. If you have any questions, the Teahouse is always open. Face-smile.svg Best of luck, Mz7 (talk) 02:14, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

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Jethro Jowle
Hi i am just enquiring to as why the wikipedia page created on subject Jethro Jowle was speedily taken down, i in know way intend to attack, threaten or otherwise to the person/s mentioned in this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by T.Perry97 (talk • contribs) 01:22, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi there, and welcome to Wikipedia. The reason your article was speedily deleted was because it fell under the definition of an "attack page". Although it might not have been your intention, your page was entirely unsourced and negative in tone. Wikipedia has a strict policy on how we write about living people. Wikipedia is one of the top 5 websites on the planet—if someone types anything in Google, Wikipedia will almost certainly be on the first page of results if we have an article about it. As a result, we have to pay special attention to living people. Anything we write about them can actually harm them in real life if it isn't backed up by high-quality reliable sources. In other words, we need to get the article right. And articles that are about living people and are entirely negative in tone are speedily deleted because they have a high chance of unduly harming their subjects in real life—this is why it is known as an "attack page". Next time, you need to back up your content with reliable sources—see Citing sources for how to do this. We thank you for your interest in contributing to Wikipedia, however. Check out our introduction to editing for more information on how you can contribute constructively. Your first article is a good page to read if you are interested in starting an article. Best of luck, Mz7 (talk) 01:31, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Shri Dev Rameshwar Temple
Thank you for your edit regarding the Category: Temples in India for → Shri Dev Rameshwar Temple However, I would like you to remove the notability tag for the page as I have added relevant references. I am one of the hereditary owners of the temple and will be adding more information soon. I would also like some help with licensing of the photos. I want them to be open for everyone to use. Abhishek Pujari (talk) 21:02, 24 August 2014 (UTC)