User talk:Mz7/June–August 2018

Train me?
Hi Mz7, I noticed you have 1 open slot on the Counter-Vandalism Unit Instructors page. Would you be so kind as to train me? Thanks, Heliozoan (talk) 20:16, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure. I've created a course page for you at User:Mz7/CVUA/Heliozoan, where I've given you instructions for your first assignment. Let me know if you have any questions! Mz7 (talk) 01:55, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Counter vandalism academy signup
Hello! I would love to learn about counter vandalism from you to contribute better to Wikipedia. I see that there's still a slot open, but it seems that there's another user who applied for the course earlier. Is it too late for me to join? Cheers! aNode  (discuss)  04:30, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, ANode, sorry for my delay in responding. I did just take on a student to fill that empty spot, but I might be able to sneak you in. I'll create your page later tonight. Mz7 (talk) 21:04, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * OMG, much love man! Thanks a lot for still accepting me in :) aNode   (discuss)  02:38, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I've created your course page at User:Mz7/CVUA/ANode. Please read the instructions, and if you have any questions about your first assignments, don't hesitate to let me know. Mz7 (talk) 03:50, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll get started on it soon! My answers might come a bit delayed as I have to also study for my A-level exams, regardless I'll do my best with attempting the course. aNode  (discuss)  05:40, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2018). Administrator changes
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Guideline and policy news
 * Following a successful request for comment, administrators are now able to add and remove editors to the "event coordinator" group. Users in the event coordinator group have the ability to temporarily add the "confirmed" flag to new user accounts and to create many new user accounts without being hindered by a rate limit. Users will no longer need to be in the "account creator" group if they are in the event coordinator group.
 * Following an AN discussion, all pages with content related to blockchain and cryptocurrencies, broadly construed, are now under indefinite general sanctions.

Technical news
 * IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in June. This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.
 * The Wikimedia Foundation's Anti-Harassment Tools team will build granular types of blocks in 2018 (e.g. a block from uploading or editing specific pages, categories, or namespaces, as opposed to a full-site block). Feedback on the concept may be left at the talk page.
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 * It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked.

Arbitration
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BLP
Hi. This IP address keeps adding unsourced height to BLP articles. Should I revert all of them? I have warned him/her already. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 04:27, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I've blocked the IP. Yes, I would revert it all, and I can help you do that. I could start at the top and work my way down and you start at the bottom and work your way up? Mz7 (talk) 04:31, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure. Thanks for your help.  Abelmoschus Esculentus  (talk to me) 04:32, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Nice, looks like they've all been taken care of. Mz7 (talk) 04:35, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 04:38, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

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Username issue
Hi Mz7,

If a user is named by a district or place, is a valid per WP:USERNAME policy? or not. Please reply soon or see my talk page case. Thank you, Siddiqsazzad001       13:36, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * In most cases, I would say yes, that would be a valid username. The one exception would be if they were updating the page on the place represented by their username and claiming to be a shared account for the place’s government, which is very rare. If you have a specific example, I might be able to better help. Mz7 (talk) 15:49, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * In here: -  Siddiqsazzad001       15:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That is not a violation of the username policy. You should apologize to the user. Mz7 (talk) 15:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I didn't said to him that his username blatant violations of the username policy but questionable username which was cleared by you. Thank you, Siddiqsazzad001       16:00, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It wasn’t even a questionable username. You had absolutely no evidence that this user was a shared account trying to promote some district in Tokyo. It was a clear misuse of the {{subst:uw-username}} template (you didn’t even fill out the required reason parameter). Things like this are WP:BITE violations, which are very serious. If you persistently make mistakes in accusing new editors of policy violations, you may be blocked from editing. Mz7 (talk) 16:07, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh! I apologized that user about this mistake. Siddiqsazzad001       16:15, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-23
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Inter-wiki COI inter template
Hi,, Good day. Long time since we last communicate and thank you for watching my talk page and gave me advice when it needed. I have work on a template, with Swarm helped on the wording) on COI topics, where by users copy the content of a draft page of new editors and paste it to main space claiming the page of their own. (see here on the conversation between Swarm and I on the idea the this proposal was triggered - see here [of time - histmerge requested - Interwiki copy right violation|Queen of time - histmerge requested - Interwiki copy right violation])  I am seeking another template expert user to check on the correctness of wikicode in the template and the process on documentation the template. The draft copy of the template could be found on my sandbox here - User:CASSIOPEIA/sandbox. I need your advice on this template serves as a single-level template with only warning level would be appropriate (which means if the users violate the 2nd time, they will be reported to Admin for this violation). Kindly advise if I have missed anything. Thanks in advance Mz7.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 05:18, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * If I’m reading the problem correctly, the warning is for users who copy drafts and paste them into mainspace without following the attribution requirements of WP:CWW. This is known as “cut and paste moving” and we actually already have a template warning for that: {{subst:uw-c&pmove}}. Although it may sometimes be appropriate to respond to these with deletion or blocking, oftentimes the copyright/attribution issues can be rectified by leaving special edit summaries or by doing a histmerge. Check to see whether your proposed template is redundant to our existing one for cut and paste moves. Mz7 (talk) 06:01, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, keep in mind that AFC is, in fact, optional for autoconfirmed users. If an autoconfirmed user is confident and disagrees with an AFC reviewer, I don’t think there’s a rule that says they can’t just move it into mainspace themselves – this may feel like “circumventing”, but is it really blockable? After all, if the AFC reviewer is right, then the article will be deleted, not just declined. Mz7 (talk) 06:09, 9 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, Thank your for your quick reply. In a nutshell, the cut and paste moving message is the same idea of what I wanted to propose expect, I was trying to emphasise on copy from draft to main space by experience editors as I have seen this happen a few times before.  When such situation happens, where the draft sits on the AfC waiting to be reviewed, (usually waiting weeks to months), while the paste copy in mainspace has already published. This discourage the new users and it is an indirect cheating the system of the experience users' action. (I am not talking about just auto confirm user but have thousands of edit and been registered for more than a year).


 * On a slightly different but related topic here - I do know that auto confirm users could move the article to mainspace and I also know that the AfC reviewing process are stricter than NPP (from my experience). There are so many NPP articles was created without any source or with only primary sources and NPP reviwers would mark the page as reveiwed and published in main space by tagging "unreferenced" for non-biography page. Even thought pages could be moved back to draft space, many NPP patroller either do not use that option or they do not know they could move the page to draft space.  The pages would/might go through the AfD by the volunteers to do WP:BEFORE and involve  multiple editors to check and discuss (so much loss of time and resource) in the AfD discussion board Either a NPP page is moved back to draft as it is unsourced, the editors would kept on moving back to mainspace. However, if an AfC article is submitted without source/only primary source, the draft article would be rejected.  From my experience on reviewing NPP pages, more than 50% of the auto confirmed users do not know how a page should be properly sourced with independent reliable source and do not know the notability process. It seems that is an misalignment of what auto confirm users could not and what we assume what they aught to know. Ye to say all that, Wikipedia is built based on open concept  for all users could edit with ease. That is my thought and I might miss out certain info from Wikipedia for I welcome to be filled in for those I have missed. I thank you in advance.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 06:50, 9 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I worry that your warning is too harsh. In practice, if an autoconfirmed editor (e.g. you or me) has their draft declined at AfC and they disagree with the call, is there a policy or guideline that prevents them from ignoring the AfC reviewer and publishing the draft anyway? After all, they could have decided not to do AfC in the first place. I guess for the AfC reviewer, it might feel that their time was wasted, but if there isn't such a rule, then is it really fair to threaten to block users for doing this? Unless there is an egregious violation of policy, block threats should generally be a last resort to be used when prior discussion fails, so why should we be threatening blocks on a first offense in this case? Perhaps the tone of the message should shift from "do as we say or we will sanction you" to something more educational, with explanations about cut-and-paste moves, notability, proper sourcing, and the AfC process. Mz7 (talk) 16:08, 9 June 2018 (UTC)


 * HI Mz7, Good day. Thank you for your advice. Since there is a cut and paste message, I would forgo my template proposal.   I do understand, a more educational message instead of outright sanction message and auto confirm could chose not to go through AfC. I guess the only way in the Wikipedia policy at the moment is to use histam to pay attribution to original editors.  I have 2 more questions as below
 * I recently came across identical subject article while I was reviewing articles, one in draft AfC and the other sits in NPP, with different authors and the articles are yet to be reviewed. I am not sure what is the protocal how to handle this, and would like to seek your advice
 * Draft:2018 Prime Minister Cup - created on 2018- 05-27
 * 2018 Prime Minister Cup - created on 2018-06-09
 * Do we have "section" or "infobox" protection on particle article? and if so, how to request and what is the protocol. This question raise, primary because there are subjects have dual citizenship or born in one country and migrated to/adopted another country later in life, and editors kept on changing the nationality/citizenship consistently even sources are provided in the infobox and body text.
 * Thanks in advance Mz7.  CASSIOPEIA(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 03:25, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi.
 * If there is a draft that duplicates a mainspace article, the typical next step is to merge the draft into the mainspace article. You can either do this yourself or leave a note on the draft. I'm not knowledgeable enough about cricket to know whether this topic are notable, but if it isn't, a possible redirect/merge topic seems to be Prime Minister One Day Cup.
 * We can only protect entire pages from editing at the levels specified by the protection policy. There is no feasible way for administrators to protect just a section of an article or just an infobox. If you disagree with a change someone made, you'll have to use dispute resolution.
 * Mz7 (talk) 03:38, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Mz7, Thank your for the advice above. I would not go through the dispute resolution as it is evolved many editors, especially IP editors (parties would like to claim solely one country and ethnicity against the other as well as editors would like both citizenships info to be in the articles) and it happens consistently especially particularly when news about the subjects hit the newspaper every 4/5 months annually. Thank you Mz7 and have a lovely day. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 04:15, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-24
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 * In the Wikipedia app for Android or iOS users can create reading lists. The reading lists can be seen on different devices if you are logged in to your account. There is now a browser extension so you can add pages to your reading list from a web browser. At the moment it works with Firefox and Chrome.
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A barnstar for you!

 * Hi,, thanks for the barnstar. Heh, I recognize you from RfA as "that school IP guy". I don't know if I'm the man to clone; I know I recently declined to do a school block at AIV, which you noticed, but if you look at my log of blocks, you'll see that in the past, I have indeed placed fairly long blocks on school/shared IPs before. I think it's true that I might be a bit more conservative than at least one admin I know; I wouldn't block a school IP for months if there are one or two edits and no prior block log entries. However, when there is a clear trend of persistent vandalism coming from a shared IP, I do end up concluding a long block is a net positive.
 * While I don't necessarily agree with all of your concerns, I think I understand where you're coming from: a lot of us (including me) started out editing Wikipedia as IPs and only decided to create an account once we got experience with that, so removing IP editing and account creation from places where Wikipedia is arguably used the most (educational institutions) is something that sometimes keeps me up at night, thinking "was that the right duration? should that have been just to the weekend instead of to the end of the school year?" Incidentally, I grew up attending a school district where editing Wikipedia was, in fact, pretty much permanently school blocked, and heh, I always just blamed it on my immature high school classmates, as opposed to the Wikipedia administrators. Your mileage may vary, I suppose. Mz7 (talk) 05:25, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sometimes you do what you have to do. I actually created the schoolblock template there, where I have almost every tool in the tool set, including checkuser and oversight, but for some reason Andy hasn't given me full adminship yet so I don't have the delete button for articles (I don't know what your political views are, but don't hate me for being a Conservapedian in addition to being a Wikipedian). To me, it's a net positive vs. net negative thing; if an IP with multiple users is giving us 200 silly edits to 1 good edit, it's a net positive in my book because most of the nonsense edits are easily identified and reverted anyway, and even if some silly edits are missed by the Counter Vandalism Unit, even a 7 year old could identify it as vandalism, and if that inspires the said 7 year old (or 17 year, or 74 year old) to click that "edit this page" button to fix it, our silly cheerleader in 3rd period just indirectly helped Wikipedia because now someone has made their first edit thanks to her boredom (if she left her name as some of them do, maybe we ought to send her a thank you card?). On the other hand, if there's a pattern of sneaky vandalism or sockpuppetry, then I would block it for an appropriate amount of time to curtail that destructive behavior. I actually used to be one of the most vindictive, authoritarian vandal fighters on the encyclopedia, to the point I've called and written to schools and even residential ISPs about someone writing "hi" one time on an article, but I eventually realized that getting middle and high school girls banned from the school computers and kicked off of the cheerleading squad for a single incident of test editing on the Cheerleading article, for example, is a net negative because I probably permanently soured their opinion of Wikipedia entirely over it, even to read it. What really turned me against extended schoolblocks was this. The admin put a two year schoolblock on a boarding school in New York City (where the students can't just go home at the end of the day and discover editing), I questioned it, and then he seemed like he was mad that I had the audacity to question him. Then he proceeded to analyze Charlotte County Public Schools and put a schoolblock on it, and frankly I took that as a vindictive act for questioning his actions. He's no longer very active at Wikipedia (thankfully), but the other people who are heavy-handed blockers don't seem much better, so I don't bother questioning them anymore (although to his credit, there is one of the most prominent schoolblockers who at least seems to be civil about it when people question him). So that's why I think it's important to watch RfA; I always prefer to be able to support the candidates, but someone can do a lot of damage with the toolset if they have poor judgement or temperament. If it's a matter of not having enough administrators to handle all of silly vandalism (I've noticed there's a backlog issue at WP:AIV and WP:UAA, and people are saying we have an admin shortage) I would be willing to do my part and take the challenge at WP:RfA if someone thought I could pass since it's WP:NOBIGDEAL and I have experience with the mop on other sites anyway (though I do know the fifth most visited website in the world is a far cry from two sites most people have never heard of), but I have a few editing projects I would like to complete first because content contribution is a plus at RfA, and since I intend to work on them regardless of whether I go for RfA or not, I might as well finish them first. The reason I'm not working on those right now is because I have a pile of coursework to do in my college classes that I really should be doing right now instead of this (I have ADHD and I am easily distracted).  PCHS-NJROTC  (Messages)Have a blessed day. 13:07, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Disruptive IP
Hello. Remember this character? Well, it looks like he gave up on airports, but his trolling is still going on, full force. The user is clearly not here to contribute constructively, and his insulting and aggressive tone (with yet another Nazi comparison thrown in, despite your warning) is distracting serious editors. - Biruitorul Talk 14:49, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . Sorry for the delay in responding; you caught me just as I was in the middle of traveling/relocating myself. I've closed that talk page discussion, and I think if the IP decides to continue it in the same manner, I'll consider blocking. Mz7 (talk) 05:45, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2018-25
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 * Some old web browsers will not be able to read the Wikimedia wikis. This is because they use an insecure way to connect to them. This means that we get less security for everyone else too. This affects about 0.08% of all traffic to the Wikimedia wikis. This affects for example those who read Wikipedia on a PlayStation 3.
 * The new filters for edit review tools and interface for watchlists will leave beta. Because there is no new MediaWiki version this week it will happen on 25 June for most wikis. For the rest it will happen in early July.
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Same subject - one in draft and other in main space
Hi Mz7, Good day. I need advice of what is the protocols and steps of actions for the following Thanks advance for assisting. Thank you. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 06:26, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Same subject - one on draft page Draft:DYJA created on 16:18, June 18, 2018‎  and another in mainspace DYJA created  13:00, June 23, 2018‎. Both by the same editor and content is the same. I moved the June 18 copy to draft for no sources were provided and the editor recreate the same subject and content on June 23.  Since that is a copy of draft exist, for such the mainspace copy cant be moved to draft, what is the protocol and steps should be taken?
 * 2) If the mainspace copy improve a little, such as adding a few more lines of content and provide primary sources and the existing draft copy still exist, in this case will the answer of # 1 above the same as this question?
 * Just leave it alone, I guess? The article creator disagrees with moving the article to draft space, so the only way to get it out of mainspace now is to nominate the article for deletion, for which you need a valid reason. I would say the relevant policy here is WP:IMPERFECT, which states that articles are allowed to contain issues. Many new articles start as crappy, unsourced stubs and then with the help of others, they slowly develop that into fully fledged articles over time. The article is already tagged with unreferenced, which informs editors that referencing is an area for improvement. If you decide to keep the article, then you could probably just redirect the draft to the mainspace article. Mz7 (talk) 07:12, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you Mz7, so either leave it alone in hope other interest editor to develop the article or nominate for AfD with a WP:BEFORE done on the ground of good reason (like not notable). Thank you Mz7. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 07:18, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks so much, ! For a long time before the admin newsletter, I had wanted to do some kind of periodic discussion report – a summary of the things being discussed the community. I tried reviving the "discussion report" on the Signpost, but the editor-in-chief wanted to do something else before that could happen (something that never came about because the editor was too busy). As it turned out, the admin newsletter created the perfect niche that I wanted to fill, so I'm happy to help. Mz7 (talk) 18:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 June 2018
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AlexTylersMail sock
Thanks for removing TP access at User talk:AlexTylersMail, per this thread. It appears the user created a sock account and is continuing the behavior. Are you able to block the new user? Thanks. 青い(Aoi) (talk) 20:38, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Good spot. I've blocked the account with TPA revoked. If you see any more accounts, feel free to let me know. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 20:44, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response! 青い(Aoi) (talk) 20:47, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Wanlockhead Beam Engine
Thanks for your time and expert advice. Rosser Gruffydd 09:38, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros. Universe
Asking you because you nominated this redirect for deletion; I've also asked the deleting admin.

Steel1943 proposed that this title be kept if someone were to create Super Smash Bros. universe, since that's a plausible redirect, and this is a plausible capitalisation variant thereof. Someone has since created "universe". Do you have any objection if I restore "Universe" and then make its contents identical to those of "universe"? Nyttend (talk) 23:17, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I suppose not. As I stated in the RfD, I thought that this redirect was unnecessary, but since the lowercase title exists and WP:CHEAP, there's no point in having another 7 day discussion. Go ahead and create it. Mz7 (talk) 03:08, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-27
<section begin="technews-2018-W27"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The database for tags will be changed. This will happen on 2 July on French Wikipedia and 9 July on all other wikis. Please report if recent changes get slower or you can't save edits. This could especially affect editors who use the database on ToolForge.

Problems
 * Last week's MediaWiki update was rolled back. This was because of a database problem.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 3 July at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
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Administrators' newsletter – July 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2018). Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Pbsouthwood • TheSandDoctor
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Gogo Dodo
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Andrevan • Doug • EVula • KaisaL • Tony Fox • WilyD

Bureaucrat changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Andrevan • EVula

Guideline and policy news
 * An RfC about the deletion of drafts closed with a consensus to change the wording of WP:NMFD. Specifically, a draft that has been repeatedly resubmitted and declined at AfC without any substantial improvement may be deleted at MfD if consensus determines that it is unlikely to ever meet the requirements for mainspace and it otherwise meets one of the reasons for deletion outlined in the deletion policy.
 * A request for comment closed with a consensus that the promising draft template cannot be used to indefinitely prevent a WP:G13 speedy deletion nomination.

Technical news
 * Starting on July 9, the WMF Security team, Trust & Safety, and the broader technical community will be seeking input on an upcoming change that will restrict editing of site-wide JavaScript and CSS to a new technical administrators user group. Bureaucrats and stewards will be able to grant this right per a community-defined process. The intention is to reduce the number of accounts who can edit frontend code to those who actually need to, which in turn lessens the risk of malicious code being added that compromises the security and privacy of everyone who accesses Wikipedia. For more information, please review the FAQ.
 * Syntax highlighting has been graduated from a Beta feature on the English Wikipedia. To enable this feature, click the highlighter icon (Codemirror-icon.png) in your editing toolbar (or under the hamburger menu in the 2017 wikitext editor). This feature can help prevent you from making mistakes when editing complex templates.
 * IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in July (previously scheduled for June). This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.

Miscellaneous
 * Currently around 20% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 17% a year ago. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless if you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

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Please Review Something
Hello Mz7, I hope you are well. I was just wondering if you could just review at, where some editors are confused about a certain question of the CVUA exam. If you could just clarify to them about the exam format, that would be great, since you explain much better than me! Thank you so much. Hummerrocket  (talk)  08:03, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, I've left a comment. I think they have a point about how nowadays with WP:ACPERM it's more difficult to find easy speedy deletion candidates that would fit the mold of a counter-vandalism training program. Perhaps it's time we updated our training material. Mz7 (talk) 08:19, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Email
PCHS-NJROTC (Messages)Have a blessed day. 11:34, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . I see the message. Unfortunately, you caught me on a really busy Friday for me, so I don’t think I’ll have time to compose a response until maybe tomorrow. Sorry about the delay. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 16:35, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem, I understand that entirely. Thanks for the response. PCHS-NJROTC  (Messages)Have a blessed day. 16:47, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

SPI
I have requested as an anonymous a CU here, could you please create the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.96.222.99 (talk) 07:31, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅: Sockpuppet investigations/Baka Líte. Mz7 (talk) 07:38, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.96.222.99 (talk) 07:59, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Request rollback rights
Hi, Mz7, would you be willing to grant me rollback rights? I want to see if I can help fight vandalism. I have read §When to use rollback and I think I have a firm grasp of its intended purpose. I already use Twinkle's quasi-rollback.

You previously granted my request for pending changes and I have tried to use it to the project's benefit. I would appreciate some feedback on how I am doing on pending changes reviews. See accepted reviews here.

--- Coffee  and crumbs  11:04, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . ✅: I've enabled rollback on your account. I sampled a few of your recent pending changes reviews, and there were no glaring issues – accepting pending changes is one of the most lightweight rights we have here, since approving changes is something all of us implicitly do on all articles when we choose not to revert something. Rollback carries a little bit more responsibility because it is faster than Twinkle or normal undo, and it gives you access to automated tools like Huggle which have the ability to make many hundred of edits in a short space of time. The key thing to remember is that rollback should never be used to revert anything other than clear acts of vandalism – the kind that no reasonable editor would disagree is vandalism – and other edits where the reason for reverting is absolutely clear. I took a look through your contributions, and you're good about labeling your reverts as "good faith" reverts as appropriate, so I think you'll do fine with rollback. You have a tendency to get a little heated in your edit summaries – just remember that even if you are caught in a nasty disagreement with another user about an article, it's important that you refrain from using rollback to revert (better yet, stop reverting and use the talk page). I hope this feedback is helpful. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 22:25, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Cascade-protection followup
Hey Mz7, you recently removed Template:Cite court from Cascade-protected items/content. Could you also remove Template:Cite case, which is a redirect to Template:Cite court? Best, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 16:38, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. Good catch. Mz7 (talk) 19:15, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Olympic mascots
I'm very for misunderstanding about my recent edits regarding the 2014 and 2016 mascots. I agree that I will read the guidelines carefully. The reason I did this is because I want to prove information about each mascot, their significance and their origins. Also, I want to dispute this because I want to add more info regarding these mascots. RainbowSilver2ndBackup (talk) 01:44, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response, but I don’t think that you really added any new sourced content to the articles; you simply took the content that I had already written and put them in a table form. I think that the table is unnecessary, and if you want to add more details, you should do so in prose and by citing reliable sources. Mz7 (talk) 02:20, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * About the pictures, I also had to dispute the deletion because the pictures provides info on who they are. These pictures tell anyone on who they are. This needs to be disputed. RainbowSilver2ndBackup (talk) 02:29, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The problem with the pictures you uploaded is that we already have pictures that describe who the mascots are. We do not need the pictures you uploaded because we already have pictures that serve the same purpose. For this reason, the non-free content guideline states that the images you uploaded should be deleted. Mz7 (talk) 02:33, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-28
<section begin="technews-2018-W28"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * WebM video files have smaller file size but still be of the same quality. Creating WebM files will take longer time.
 * The new filters for edit review tools and interface for watchlists will leave beta. This was supposed to already have happened but was delayed. For most wikis this will happen on 9 July. For the rest it will happen on 16 July.
 * Octicons-tools.svg All wikis now use the Remex parsing library instead of Tidy. This could cause errors. You can help fix the errors.

Problems
 * When you rolled back an edit it could get both the  and   tags. This has been fixed.
 * Rollbacks from autopatrolled users were not marked as patrolled. This has been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * When you edit a link in the visual editor there will be two separate buttons to change which page the link goes to (target) or its text (label).
 * On the mobile version you can find a link to an editor's contributions from their user page. Now this will work even if they haven't created a user page.
 * When you edit a discussion on the mobile version you sometimes get your signature automatically added. This will now not happen if you have already added a signature manually. This is to avoid double signatures.
 * Structured discussions toolbars will have more style options.
 * Octicons-tools.svg When you look at Wikimedia code in Gerrit there will be a new interface. It is on by default for new users. This is also true for developers. This is to make it easier to understand what is happening.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 July. It will be on all wikis from 12 July (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 10 July at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 11 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Today all administrators can edit CSS and JavaScript for the entire wiki. There will be a new user group for editing CSS and JavaScript. Administrators will no longer automatically be able to do this. This is because it is a security risk when all administrator accounts can edit JavaScript even if they never plan to or do not know how it works. You can read more.
 * Page previews will be on by default for new accounts.

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SPA notification to the user - advice needed
Hi Mz7. good day. I reported a sock - Sockpuppet investigations/Emedia96 and believe I should notify the users. Where could I obtain the template of such? Thank you in advance in assisting. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 11:53, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone has already notified. Remember that notification is strictly optional, and sometimes, it may actually be counterproductive to notify (see WP:DENY). If you choose to notify, there are a couple templates to help: {{subst:uw-socksuspect}} is short and to-the-point, whereas {{subst:socksuspectnotice}} is longer and more explanatory. Mz7 (talk) 21:29, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Mz7, Yes, the socks users were notified by other user which also launched an SPA and both socks were blocked. I had found the {{subst:uw-socksuspect}} but could not find  {{subst:socksuspectnotice}} yesterday and thank for letting me know the template code. I was thinking to inform the socks users as  it would be same to notify a user on ANI and do understand it might not be good idea on the ground of WP:DENY. Thank you for letting me know.  Cheers. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 03:31, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Trainee
I’m up for your teaching on how to fight vandalism ARMcgrath (talk) 21:33, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I am currently rather busy in real life, and I already have students in WP:CVUA, so unfortunately, I don't think I will be able to take you on at this time. Please try to find another instructor. I'm very sorry about that. Mz7 (talk) 07:38, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey at least your being honest thank you enjoy your day ARMcgrath (talk) 10:22, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

CVUA
I would like to join the CVUA as I want to be better at reverting vandalism (I have already learned Twinkle) and to have a mentor as I was recently blocked for being sort of a jerk (but was unblocked after). Thank you. RandNetter96 (Talk) (Contributions) 21:41, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * As I told another person who asked me the same question above, I'm currently in a rather busy time in real life, so I won't be able to take on anyone for WP:CVUA. For the time being, I would encourage you to carefully study on your own the differences between good-faith editing and vandalism (even unhelpful, highly disruptive edits are not necessarily "vandalism"). Mz7 (talk) 23:47, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

User talk:212.145.201.219
Remove TPA? ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus  (talk to me) 09:20, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. Good call. Mz7 (talk) 09:22, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I like revert warring. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus  (talk to me) 09:23, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Advice and thougths
Hi Mz7, Need advice. Kindly see Here, start from bottom first and Stale. Let me know your thought on both the links above so I may learn. Thank you. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 18:04, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This is a lot of information to be coming in cold to, and I'm unfamiliar with the context surrounding the events. It was not very civil for TBMNY to use the word "fuck", but generally that's not something administrators can block for. Instead, the goal is to try to defuse the situation. From my point of view, it looks like he is just frustrated with the way you've kind of cluttered the talk page, rather than intentionally trying to insult or belittle you. I've tried to clean up the talk page a little bit: I removed the ANI thread you crossposted (I see no need to do that over posting a simple link). For the future, keep in mind that WP:AIV is not the right place to report personal attacks. It's for vandalism only, and personal attacks are not vandalism. Personal attacks should instead be reported to WP:ANI, and keep in mind that isolated profanity is rarely actionable. Mz7 (talk) 18:36, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Mz7, Thank you for helping. I am utterly disappointed that no one would even say anything on the profanity TBMNY on this address to me as this is clearly not civil and should an admin not advise the user to tone down their language choice, it would seems acceptable for not only TBMNY to use it against toward me or other editors in addition, anyone in MMA talk page see the post, would think this is Ok form of communication toward the community member. I have never once been spoken in such fashion in my entire life, not even remotely, would someone say such an inappropriate word to me where I have lived in countries, in majority of my life, where such four letter words are extremely common in social and work environment even among the high level educated ppl, in male dominated multi national cooperate world where I work or in the gyms and dojos where I train. I communicated  the issues within the guidelines, reason in civility, and back up all my sources yet I feel I am being put down time and time again by TBMNY where they could not back up this reasons with guidelines or source but using uncivil word choice and arguing without base. All I was suggesting was go to MMA community in Wikipedai a seek consensus agreement if guidelines to be changed and I all for it which ever the community deem agree. I am disappointed that I put a lot of time and effort to care and provide content, fighting vandalism and protecting articles in MMA project in Wikipedia, yet I am being ill treated and no one speaks out. All I ask with time and time again, is to discuss in civil manner and seek consensus agreement. I understand many MMA editors/casual fans are post Conor McGregor era and internet is the original place and still is today where MMA fans gather they discussion/share their thoughts and it is not a pretty sight at times the comments the fans leave on their posts. Maybe I take it a little hard on this, or maybe I am female, and maybe I have not been spoken to as such in my life before. It is just disappointing. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 04:40, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Enforcing civility is one of the most contentious administrative actions on Wikipedia. We've had multiple arbitration cases involving civility violations and how they should be dealt with. I don't think it was appropriate for (courtesy ping) to use profanity, and I would invite him to apologize. However, this is an international project that often causes a diverse group of individuals to disagree with each other, sometimes on issues they feel very passionately about, and unfortunately, adults do sometimes use profanity when they feel passionately about something. There have been proposals in the past about prohibiting profanity (e.g. blocks for people who say "fuck"), but the responses to such proposals have often been "fuck no". I've seen administrators tell people to "fuck off" before, and one admin has a whole essay about it. I don't really have any clever answers here. You were right to notify an administrator when you felt attacked. My goal as an administrator is to try to calm down the situation by avoiding escalation and encouraging compromise. Mz7 (talk) 05:26, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank You
Hi Mz7 (sorry for the late reply) I just wanted to thank you for being such a big help and handling my situation in calm and respectful way. You truly get an A+ in my book for that :-). I was wondering if you could do one me thing for me though. So even though F&TV28 is right on blocking me for safety reasons he never leaves edit summary's in the summary sections (even when he undoes edits by non-blocked accounts). So I was wondering could you try to reason with him on that aspect maybe? Other than that thanks for all that you have done and being awesome. Take care18:12, 15 July 2018 (UTC)Mrs. Tyra (talk)

Tech News: 2018-29
<section begin="technews-2018-W29"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can now use global preferences on Wikimedia wikis. You can set them on the global preferences page.
 * You can now see a new log of pages being created at Special:Log/create. It includes pages which are later deleted. It is now available on all Wikimedia wikis except Commons and Wikidata.
 * You can see how many pageviews a wiki had from specific countries. The |map|2-Year~2016060100~2018071100|~total Wikistats2 maps have now been updated.

Changes later this week
 * Your watchlist will show changes from the last seven days instead of three. If you have already set a length preference it will not change.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from July 17. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from July 18. It will be on all wikis from July 19 (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on July 17 at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on July 18 at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Some articles have messages to readers about problems with the article. For example that it does not cite sources or might not be neutral. Readers do not see these messages on the mobile version. The developers now want to show them. You can read more and leave feedback.
 * You can use  to create search boxes for specific pages. For example to search the archives of a community discussion page. Instead of   you will see a text that explains which pages are being searched. You can read more and leave feedback.

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Nina Cuso draft
Hi, as you were the closer of this AfD discussion I was wondering if you could check whether this draft is substantially similar and eligible for G4? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 19:58, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The content was word-for-word identical to a revision of the article that was deleted at AfD. Accordingly, I've deleted the draft per WP:CSD. Mz7 (talk) 20:06, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * See also Sockpuppet investigations/Ohare415. Mz7 (talk) 20:14, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Revdel?
Might this diff need to be revdelled? It looks like a personal attack/possible libel. Aspening (talk) 03:31, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. I agree, I've revision-deleted the material. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 03:33, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Bay Area WikiSalon invitation for July 25!
Please join us in downtown San Francisco!



Periodically, on the last Wednesday evening of the month, wiki enthusiasts gather at the Bay Area WikiSalon series to munch, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We allow time for announcements, informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Bring a friend! Kid/family friendly. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. This months focus is reliable sources!

We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks (maybe pizza too!).
 * For further details and to RSVP, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, July 2018 (note: we are meeting at the new WMF HQ at 120 Kearny Street!)

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Question
Can you at least rev-delete my user talk page's previous revisions? UnsungKing123 (talk) 19:54, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No, unless they meet the criteria for revision deletion. Mz7 (talk) 19:55, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for replying, at least. UnsungKing123 (talk) 19:55, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

your template on the Death of Samia Shahid talk page
Hello,

prompted by a recent opinion piece in The Guardian I ran across the Death of Samia Shahid article. The article is, to put it mildly, rich of strange Wikipedia circumstances. One of these is that the Article and its talk page contain a template that basically damns an IP and calls for its edits to be deleted on sight. But the reason given is not reflected in the sources linked to at all. Since you added the template on the talk page, can you please shed some light on that? Wefa (talk) 00:52, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . You're definitely right, those were a set of strange Wikipedia circumstances on that article. It has been a few years since I last read this article, so unfortunately, I couldn't remember exactly what happened. However, from what I can tell, it looks like there was an IP user that was somehow close to the article subject, and I believe they were inserting material about living persons that was not properly sourced, as well as abusing multiple accounts. Since it's been a couple years and IP addresses are often shared, I don't think there's any need to keep that template on the talk page, so I removed it. The intent wasn't to damn anyone editing from that IP address, but to let other editors know there have been conflict-of-interest issues surrounding that IP address. I'm sorry I couldn't shed much more light on this than you hoped. Mz7 (talk) 05:57, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

What do you think about this user page? ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus  (talk to me) 13:04, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks like it would probably fall under WP:CSD, since it looks like a (rather lengthy) CV/resume unrelated to Wikipedia. Mz7 (talk) 13:14, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Noted with thanks :) I was a bit hesitant to tag it. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus  (talk to me) 13:35, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-30
<section begin="technews-2018-W30"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * When you log in to your account you can choose to keep being logged in. This checkbox now works better than before on the mobile version for users without JavaScript.
 * Wikis that use Citoid can automatically generate citations for Swedish news sites. This only works in the visual editor. This now works for Swedish public service radio. More will come. Others could use this to add news sites in other languages in the future.
 * Editors can do max 90 edits per minute. This is new since last month. This does not affect bots or administrators.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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TPA removal
Hi. Long time no direct interaction. I hope you are well. Do you think this user's TPA should be removed in light of his recent edits? — <span class="monospaced" style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran (talk)  06:08, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

your block of user:Clarkzero
Care to remove talk page access? This appears to be personal attack aimed at you and user:ViperSnake151 (both of you have posted to his talk page). That personal attack has been added three times now, the last with a personal attack aimed at me in the summary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meters (talk • contribs) 08:34, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

I had that talkpage watchlisted. Didnt know you too posted here (I made a post right above this one about the same user). But while Mz7 was offline, yu encountered the vandal, and then I posted it to WP:AN. The issue has been solved now. I was here to let Mz7 know about it, and saw your comment. Also, in the comment above, you added an extra tilde lol. See you guys around. — <span class="monospaced" style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran (talk)  10:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * hey :)
 * Thanks for fixing my sig. It was so late at night here that I didn't even notice. Meters (talk) 19:42, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up, . I'm sorry I wasn't awake at the time. Thanks for sending it to WP:AN. Mz7 (talk) 01:22, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.12 30 July 2018
Hello, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

Overall the June backlog drive was a success, reducing the last 3,000 or so to below 500. However, as expected, 90% of the patrolling was done by less than 10% of reviewers. Since the drive closed, the backlog has begun to rise sharply again and is back up to nearly 1,400 already. Please help reduce this total and keep it from raising further by reviewing some articles each day.
 * June backlog drive


 * New technology, new rules
 * New features are shortly going to be added to the Special:NewPagesFeed which include a list of drafts for review, OTRS flags for COPYVIO, and more granular filter preferences. More details can be found at this page.
 * Probationary permissions: Now that PERM has been configured to allow expiry dates to all minor user rights, new NPR flag holders may sometimes be limited in the first instance to 6 months during which their work will be assessed for both quality and quantity of their reviews. This will allow admins to accord the right in borderline cases rather than make a flat out rejection.
 * Current reviewers who have had the flag for longer than 6 months but have not used the permissions since they were granted will have the flag removed, but may still request to have it granted again in the future, subject to the same probationary period, if they wish to become an active reviewer.


 * Editathons
 * Editathons will continue through August. Please be gentle with new pages that obviously come from good faith participants, especially articles from developing economies and ones about female subjects. Consider using the 'move to draft' tool rather than bluntly tagging articles that may have potential but which cannot yet reside in mainspace.

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Tech News: 2018-31
<section begin="technews-2018-W31"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The design on Special:Log has changed. It will change again soon. Developers are working on fixing problems.

Problems
 * Deployment of 1.32.0-wmf.13 has been partially delayed. All deployments have been resumed and successfully done after bug fixes.
 * Deployment of 1.32.0-wmf.14 has been partially delayed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Meetings
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 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on at 15:00 (UTC) as well as at 23:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * After a community discussion, a new group for users will be created. "Interface administrators" will be the only users allowed to edit interface pages like MediaWiki:Common.css or MediaWiki:Common.js. This is done to avoid technical issues and improve security. That change will be effective by the end of August 2018.

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BLP vio - revdel?
I think this and this might need to be revdelled. Not sure if there's been any discussion about this whole situation and how to handle it, but it looks like a possible BLP vio to me. Editor keeps re-adding it too, so watch for that. Aspening (talk) 00:36, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I took a look, and it seems that those four individuals have been indicted for the murder: . Their names can also be found in the infobox at Murder of XXXTentacion. Since these names have already been widely reported as connected to the murder, I don't think it'll be necessary to redact the names in the revision history per WP:RD2. However, per WP:BLPCRIME if we do want to mention the indictments on that list article, we should somehow indicate the fact that a conviction hasn't been secured. Mz7 (talk) 00:47, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm not really following what's going on there but it looked suspicious to me. Aspening (talk) 00:49, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

No subject
Hi

I have recently started contributing to Wikipedia and I am struggling with two things:
 * 1) When I add a custom field to a template (infobox book), it is not displayed. What am I missing here?
 * 2) How is the information in infobox linked to other Wikipedia pages?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by RijuBansal (talk • contribs) 14:21, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . For the infoboxes, you have to format the parameters in the way that they are specifically laid out in the documentation for the infobox. For example, for infobox book, in order for the "Preceded by" and "Followed by" fields to work, you have to use  and   (note the lowercase and the underscores). At Draft:The Woman Who Walked in Sunshine, the way you currently have it is   and , which is why it's not working. A full list of compatible parameters can be found in the template documentation at Template:Infobox book. If you are using the VisualEditor, you may actually find it easier to use the "Edit source" button instead. Regarding your second question, in order to produce a link to another Wikipedia article, you can surround your text with square brackets: for example,   produces: Wikipedia. I hope this information is helpful; if you are confused, let me know and I will be happy to clarify. Mz7 (talk) 18:48, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – August 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2018). Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Sro23
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg KaisaL • Ymblanter

Guideline and policy news
 * After a discussion at Meta, a new user group called "interface administrators" (formerly "technical administrator") has been created. Come the end of August, interface admins will be the only users able to edit site-wide JavaScript and CSS pages like MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:Common.css, or edit other user's personal JavaScript and CSS. The intention is to improve security and privacy by reducing the number of accounts which could be used to compromise the site or another user's account through malicious code. The new user group can be assigned and revoked by bureaucrats. Discussion is ongoing to establish details for implementing the group on the English Wikipedia.
 * Following a request for comment, the WP:SISTER style guideline now states that in the mainspace, interwiki links to Wikinews should only be made as per the external links guideline. This generally means that within the body of an article, you should not link to Wikinews about a particular event that is only a part of the larger topic. Wikinews links in "external links" sections can be used where helpful, but not automatically if an equivalent article from a reliable news outlet could be linked in the same manner.

Technical news
 * The WMF Anti-Harassment Tools team is seeking input on the second set of wireframes for the Special:Block redesign that will introduce partial blocks. The new functionality will allow you to block a user from editing a specific set of pages, pages in a category, a namespace, and for specific actions such as moving pages and uploading files.

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Tech News: 2018-32
<section begin="technews-2018-W32"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * Special:NewPages now has the OOUI look.

Problems
 * The MediaWiki version that was released two weeks ago was late to some Wikimedia wikis. This was because of bugs. It was on all wikis 30 July.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 August. It will be on all wikis from 9 August.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 7 August at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 8 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Moving draft to mainspace whose article title already has a redirect
Hello, earlier when I tried moving this draft to the mainspace using the move feature, I received an error that told me the move cannot be made (since there's something on the main page, a redirect). Is it alright for me to remove that redirect and blank the page, then attempt to move the article? Or instead should I tag it for articles for creation? (which I'm afraid will take a significantly long time since there's current 2600+ drafts for review). aNode  (discuss)  15:42, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, blanking the page won't work; you'll have to either ask an administrator to delete the redirect in order to make way for the move, or ask a page mover to do a "round-robin" move. Either way, you can request it at Requested moves/Technical requests. Mz7 (talk) 18:59, 9 August 2018 (UTC) P.S. I'm super busy in real life at the moment, but my schedule will soon be much freer; I'll get back to you about CVUA this weekend for sure.
 * Alrighty, I'll ask for a move in that page! Can't wait for the next part of the CVUA, and hope you successfully handle your rl schedule! :) aNode   (discuss)  08:04, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/153.183.20.133 and Special:Contributions/124.85.14.35
FYI, Special:Contributions/217.69.8.93, Special:Contributions/217.69.8.74, Special:Contributions/217.69.7.215, Special:Contributions/217.61.106.182, Special:Contributions/217.61.107.167, Special:Contributions/217.61.107.246, Special:Contributions/31.214.157.211, Special:Contributions/117.1.70.54, Special:Contributions/76.14.102.226 and Special:Contributions/188.78.247.112 are all blocked proxies with expiration time 1 month, so should the above two IPs sync with the rest? ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus  (talk to me) 06:54, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Forgot to note that they are all proxies of User:Jeffman12345 ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus  (talk to me) 06:56, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * , the blocking admin on those IPs, knows more about proxies than I do. I don't really know what to look for and haven't ever made a proxy block before. Perhaps he could take a look? Mz7 (talk) 06:58, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * These are a fairly dynamic set of proxies so it's probably not worth changing any existing blocks, or indeed any existing practices. Even a month is probably overkill on average if I'm honest. If they turn up twice of course, then by all means block for longer per usual. -- zzuuzz (talk) 10:34, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Co-Grade Final Exam
Hello, I was just wondering if you can take a few minutes to assist in grading one of my CVUA student's final exams. I have been quite busy lately and haven't gotten time to grade it, and I wouldn't want want to keep waiting for longer. Thank you very much for your help; I truly appreciate it! Hummerrocket  (talk)  03:43, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll try to get it done later today (Sunday)! I've also been hella busy recently, but I should have some more free time this week. Mz7 (talk) 04:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I've left some feedback. I think the student might need more work in some areas, and I've asked them to redo some of the assignments. Mz7 (talk) 00:54, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey, can you please clarify to about which questions he should redo? I've kept him waiting for too long. I tried to ping you before but if you didn't get it I'll just put it here.  Hummerrocket   (talk)  13:58, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi . Sorry, I don't think I got your ping. I'll take a look now. Mz7 (talk) 18:16, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-33
<section begin="technews-2018-W33"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg CSS in templates can now be stored in a separate page on all wikis. This is called TemplateStyles. This is to make it easier to edit how templates look.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 14 August at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-sync.svg Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 15 August at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * The developers are planning more ways to block users. This could be blocking someone from just a page or a namespace. You can read more. You can leave feedback on the talk page.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe. <section end="technews-2018-W33"/> 17:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism on Ika people and Ikwerre people article
Hi. About the vandalism on the above name pages, the user obviously removed information and citation, the reasons he gives for his edits are misleading

Here is an example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/854896156 Aghachi7 (talk) 18:38, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * They're not misleading at all. They adequately describe what he is doing. Almost all of the content that he removed was unsourced. He did remove one citation to this cambridge.org source, but if you actually click on it, you will find that it returns a "Error 404: Page not found", indicating that it is a "dead link", which he mentioned in his edit summary. The user also removed a number of links to waplodge.net, which seems to have dubious reliability. Mz7 (talk) 18:43, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

this is the link to the citation on the page. Do open it again because it doesn't give me issues opening — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aghachi7 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay solid, I'm glad that you found a fix for the issue with the link. However, can you see why the edits did not fit Wikipedia's strict definition of "vandalism"? Vandalism is a deliberate attempt to harm Wikipedia, and in this case, the user was contributing in good faith. Mz7 (talk) 19:49, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

AfD
You may be interested in Articles for deletion/Performance fabrics, since per your talkpage archive (User talk:Mz7/March-August 2015) and edit history you were tangentially involved with the article at one point. -- Softlavender (talk) 20:43, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Need your inputs on the deletion entry for the Performance Fabrics page!!
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Performance fabrics is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Performance fabrics until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Hi!The aforementioned page has been recently considered for deletion, please share your thoughts, since you were the one who accepted the page's request for creation about three years ago.Sincerely, Rajiv Sharma (talk) 05:16, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Apologies for my delay in responding to this matter. I think I'm going to sit this one out. I don't really know too much about the topic, and my last involvement with the article was several years ago, so I can't really remember the circumstances surrounding it. Mz7 (talk) 09:04, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Talkback
TheLongTone (talk) 12:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)