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March 2024
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the page Hemedti has an edit summary that appears to be inadequate, inaccurate, or inappropriate. The summaries are helpful to people browsing an article's history, so it is important that you use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did. Feel free to use the sandbox to make test edits. ''You appear to be using the same edit summary repeatedly, regardless of what changes you actually made. This can at best be confusing to other editors, and at worst can be taken as a sign of intentionally misleading, tendentious editing.'' signed,Rosguill talk 13:43, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I'm FuzzyMagma. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions&#32;to Hemedti have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk.
 * the article does not say he was born in Chad; it states that he "hailed from a Chadian Arab clan", which means he can be from many tribes that live in the Sudanese-Chadian border, including Rizeigat tribe. The article also says "[Hemedti was] Born into an impoverished family that settled in Darfur in the 1980s" which contradicts the information about his elder brother, Abdelrahim Dagalo who is born in South Darfur according to AlJazeera'' FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * having said that, a BBC article and the Guardian reiterate the same information that he belongs to Chadian Arabs which does not mean he is from Chad, as actually half of the Chadian Arabs lives in Sudan. But Both articles support your point. So sorry for reverting your edit.
 * Anyway, I have reinstated your edit and added the information to the main article. FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

You did not read the article
I put one citation which clearly states the SUGGESTION of Daju origin behind Shendi’s name. Just like other theories in the etymology section (all of which have 0 citations) this is also a theory taking linguistic evidence and suggesting a connection. It’s only warranted to remove my contribution had I claimed the Daju-derivation of Shendi as fact, however I believe my use of “suggest” and reference to oral tradition doesn’t indicate me asserting an irrefutable claim, I am contributing to the theories available. See the citation again “ all three words were mentioned in Daju vocabularies; for example 'mərɑwɪ' means "Tətal", 'ɟæbɪr kəlɡɑ' " mountain of God", and 'ʃǹdə' stands for "sheep" “

Also your quoted citation is a red-herring of the etymological discussion. It mentions Darfur’s influence from much later Medieval polities; Kanem, Bornu and Bagirmi. The attestation of Daju locality to the riverine Sudan, and the Shendi region is much earlier and has nothing to do with the later cross-cultural, religious and architectural connections of Medieval Darfuri states and the neighbouring Central Sahel. Your quotation doesn’t expose an incompatibility between the sources and it certainly doesn’t disprove the legitimacy of the suggestion and speculation that Shendi is a Daju-derived name. If you have any actually valid refutations of this linguistic connection go ahead and contribute them but a futile reference to later, contextually irrelevant kingdoms and their process of cultural influences is not sufficient counter-evidence, it’s not actually counter-evidence at all and is more symbolic of an attempt to justify removal of a passage you don’t like. It seems like you might be Sudanwiki trying to dodge potential blocks on another account. Please stop vandalising Sudanese Wikipedia Jalfawi56 (talk) 10:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)


 * You added citations which allows me to see where your particular theory derived from. It seems that there is a push to associate Shendi with Darfur, which is inaccurate and constitutes misinformation. While everyone's contributions are valued, it's crucial to ensure that information added to Wikipedia articles is based on reliable sources and accurately reflects the consensus of the scholarly community. While the theory of associating Shendi with Darfur may seem intriguing, particularly if one is from Darfur, it is essential to recognize that promoting this theory can lead to the erasure of the indigenous Shendi community. Disseminating misinformation, no matter how well-intentioned, can have detrimental effects on indigenous populations. Therefore, it is imperative that we exercise caution and prioritize accuracy when discussing the origins of geographical locations. This ensures that we respect and preserve the rich history and identity of all communities involved. As the prevailing scholarly opinion does not support the theory of Shendi being a Darfuri-inhabited place, it's important to prioritize accuracy and remove any false information. This is essential for honoring the integrity and accuracy of Wikipedia's content. NAFacts (talk) 18:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * "You added citations which allows me to see where your particular theory derived from. It seems that there is a push to associate Shendi with Darfur, which is inaccurate and constitutes misinformation."
 * How have you understood that to be the case of those citations? Did you actually read them? In fact those citations suggest the OPPOSITE. If it was association of Shendi to Darfur that would include either all entites of Darfur or atleast numerous ones. The Daju are one group, whom have distribution that isn't even solely limited to Darfur. See Daju languages. The citations are in fact arguing for an association of the Daju, to riverine Sudan. This has nothing to do with the rest of Darfur and the primary source behind this etymological suggestion has only focused on the Daju language. I wonder why you don't have a problem with the suggestion that Shendi is Beja-derived, is there not an issue with "associating Shendi with the East"? Or do you only apply this to Darfur because you have intrinsic prejudices of your own? The association isn't being made, you're fighting an imaginary narrative. The source says, that Shendi is probably Daju derived, and that oral tradition of the Daju suggests a former locality to Shendi. If that leads you to envision some sort of crazy ethnic/cultural appropriation narrative, you are deranged, delusional and not competent enough to be editing on here.
 * "While everyone's contributions are valued, it's crucial to ensure that information added to Wikipedia articles is based on reliable sources and accurately reflects the consensus of the scholarly community."
 * Which is just cope for "I don't actually have any information that can render the source as objectively wrong". The information is reliable and the only aprt of the source that is signifcant is the section mentioning the Daju equivalents for words like "Sheep". If you think this is a mistransaltion, that is on you to provide evidence for because my evidence is professionally sourced and has already passed review and been published. That's not how the world works my friend. If you contest primary or secondary sources academia or non-academia, the expectation is you provide the evidence against them. Not me.
 * While the theory of associating Shendi with Darfur may seem intriguing, particularly if one is from Darfur
 * 1. You're fighting imaginary narratives again.
 * 2. I'm Ja'ali and all of my Paternal family are born, raised and still live in Shendi.
 * " this theory can lead to the erasure of the indigenous Shendi community. "''
 * I can see why you might be worried how it might have negative implications but I think this is unfound completely. It takes a toddler to realise cultural groups can historically co-exist in one region as autochthonous entities. The attestation that the Daju once occupied Shendi does nothing to invaldiate the irrefutable evidence that the Ja'alin Arabs like several other Sudanese Arab groups are indigenous to Sudan and their current regions of distribution. The Ja'alin Arabs didn't even exist as a tribal coalition, nor tribal proper when the Daju are assumed to have occupied Shendi so AGAIN, this is literally no cause for concern, relax, we're still indigenous even if this mere theory is proved true. Which is also why I don't get your frequent removal of it, it's not even fact, as I've stated several times, it's a suggestion supported by Oral tradition helping to form a wider speculation about the etymology of Shendi. You have no justification to remove a theory that is supported by evidence (which you've failed to prove is incorrect on 3 accounts now lmfao). There are 4 other theories you have upheld and they stand without any evidence at all and you're ironically here trying to lecture me on "misinformation" when I was the only contributor in the etymology section to provide reputable sources. Ya zol please, get a grip. Just come out and say you don't care about honour and upholding the integrity of information, you just don't like being associated to groups you have prejudices against. If you do come clean, maybe it will restore my respect for you.
 * "Disseminating misinformation, no matter how well-intentioned, can have detrimental effects on indigenous populations. "
 * Misinformation but I provided 3 sources, 3 more than all the other contiributors combined. And if the sources contains misinformation, where? This discussion is a matter of dispute on the etymology of Shendi and it's obvious you, nor the other contributors have come to a conclusion on what is the actual case, hence why you've welcomed speculations of all sorts such as Ancient egyptian, meroitic, old Nubian and even Beja. You can't even tell me how the Daju word for Sheep being "Shdni" is "misinformation". I provided evidence from a professional source, you're an anon on the internet who expects me to believe he knows better. This is a joke.
 * ''"As the prevailing scholarly opinion does not support the theory of Shendi being a Darfuri-inhabited place, it's important to prioritize accuracy and remove any false information. This is essential for honoring the integrity and accuracy of Wikipedia's content"
 * The scholarly opinion of Shendi's etymology is literally in dispute. Thats why you and all the other contributors couldn't settle on one etymological conclusion and instead included 3-4 different ones without any citations. This is a joke compared to the rest of the article which is relatively well-written. The point of me including the Daju theory is a case of etymology, it has nothing to do with some imaginary narrative that Shendi is the homeland of Darfur that you're oddly trying construct arguments against. Seems to me it doesn't actually exist and you just want to strawman because you don't have any reasonable points here. Give me a break.
 * Keep off my contirbutions if you don't have anything constructive. I'm warning you of your shenanigans, I might not be able to do anything but administrators certainly won't take lightly of this behaviour. You have still provided 0 constructive analysis of my contributions and spent your time fighting a strawman and using that as justification for vandalism of my work and the article. This is a blockable offense. Jalfawi56 (talk) 21:03, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * To elaborate on why the theory you presented is particularly harmful, it’s important to note the distinction between the theories presented in the etymology section. While other theories focus on the linguistic origins of the name "Shendi" in their respective native languages, your theory suggests that the Daju people are the original inhabitants of Shendi. You said “why isn’t there an issue with Shendi being possibly Beja-derived”, if you look at the etymology section where people have posted their theories, you are the only one to have post an oral tradition insinuating Daju people were inhabitants of Shendi. Egyptians have had their theories incorporating Shendi as “Egyptian” removed as well… you are the only one that’s taken it past name-derived currently, which is problematic as it affects the indigenous population of Shendi. You should re-read the etymology page and see it doesn’t go further than name-derived.
 * Wikipedia's guidelines require that all information be verifiable and supported by reliable sources. While oral traditions are significant, they may not always meet Wikipedia's standards for inclusion without additional corroborating evidence.
 * As to what happened with the Egyptian a year ago, it was stated, if these theories are not substantiated by reliable sources, they should not be included. The same is going to pertain to you as well. It is important to protect the indigenous Shendi population against all unproven narratives.
 * Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in maintaining the accuracy and reliability of information on Wikipedia.
 * This personal claim of yours is not supported by historical or sociological evidence and can be considered a dangerous form of misinformation, but the current indigenous inhabitants of Shendi are the historical inhabitants and this is documented and supported by historical and sociological evidence.
 * You also said that the Ja’alin were not a tribal power when you personally believe the Daju inhabited Shendi, however the Ja’alin tribe are Arabized Nubians, meaning like most tribes, they were solely of Nubian makeup until they inter-married and got Arab DNA no matter how few, if any, which is how they became Ja’alin. A sub-tribe of Nubian. The Nubians are the original inhabitants of Shendi, due to it’s geographic location proximity to the Middle East, migration was easier for Arabs to come to Shendi, and mix with the Nubian population regardless of how little Arab, if any is in their genetic makeup. The Daju tribe are not Nubian, and Shendi is historically recorded as Nubian. The Ja’alin are Arabized Nubians.
 * Nubians predate the Daju tribe, and Nubians were the first to settle in Shendi. They went from Nubian to Ja’alin by inter-marriage, that does not allow you to manipulate their history to say the Daju tribe predates them when before they were Ja’ali, they were always Nubian. I don’t believe you are Ja’alin, a Riverine Arab, Nubian, or from Shendi, but it’s irrelevant, however, I see your fixation on the town and tribe. I suggest you stick to historical accuracy like our fellow editors here at Wikipedia.
 * Your contribution reflects a personal belief rather than established fact. However, it's imperative to maintain a rigorous adherence to factual accuracy on Wikipedia, free from personal biases or desires.
 * By promoting the idea that the Daju people are the true natives of Shendi, you are effectively erasing the rich history and identity of the indigenous tribes that have long inhabited Shendi. This revisionist narrative not only ignores recorded history but also disregards the solidified evidence and documented presence of the Shendi tribes in the region.
 * It's essential to recognize the harmful implications of spreading such misinformation. Gaslighting historical facts and attempting to rewrite the history of indigenous populations only perpetuates a false narrative and does a disservice to the true natives of Shendi. This dangerous rhetoric not only undermines the identity of the Shendi community but also perpetuates an inferiority complex that has no basis in historical or sociological reality.
 * Let us prioritize accuracy and respect the historical integrity of all communities involved. Continuing to propagate this disproven theory only serves to harm the indigenous population of Shendi and perpetuate a false narrative that has no place in academic discourse or historical accuracy.
 * Take care. NAFacts (talk) 06:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You were blocked for sockpuppetry. I don't care what your opinions are, just stop vandalising wiki and using multiple accounts to assist it. I added contibutions that were supported by sources, unless you have direct counter-evidence you have no justification for removal of my contributions, and my contributions I've stated several times are not even opinions of mine nor claimed facts, these are speculations of other people with qualifications in the field of linguists. You are fighting some imaginary narrative, I'm not responding to anything you've stated here because a skim of this text wall tells me two things.
 * 1. You lack the ability to express yourself in a concise and coherent manner
 * 2. You are genuinely coping and that whole text wall is actually just littered with misinformation.
 * 1. You lack the ability to express yourself in a concise and coherent manner
 * 2. You are genuinely coping and that whole text wall is actually just littered with misinformation.

My contributions are not coming off, come to terms with it. If you want you can help me by finding sources for the other languages in the etymology section. Good day. Jalfawi56 (talk) 09:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * You’re posting theories on an etymology page that shows your inherent bias. Did you even read your source cited? It doesn’t say that Daju could be riverine. It says the opposite. That’s why it continues to get taken down …
 * this page should have historical accuracies, not theories of desired association. NAFacts (talk) 04:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

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