User talk:NE2/Archive 8

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 * It's no problem. As to why that image was chosen, I have no idea; it may have been that because the photo contains patches of colours, mainly brown and blue, it is difficult to see at 100px size, while the black and white portrait doesn't have this issue. Laïka  11:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to say, congratulations on I-15 AZ. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 22:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Is there a reason you didn't use the image for this? I was going to notify RCMoeur that his photo was on the front page. --NE2 08:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well there is usually a problem that supply of pictures > picture space. Only one picture is available for each slot and there are six-eight articles. Usually 3-4 of these have picture selections so some will miss out. I guess the picture didn't really grab me. Sometimes if the article is really good, it will have the picture even though the picture is not so good, but I didn't think that was the case her. Thanks,  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Discovery Bridge (Yankton)
IMHO I believe this would be more of a WikiProject Bridges article than a USRD one. I am not changing the tag, but thought that I would suggest this.  master son T - C 17:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

NPOV
This image was tagged as non-NPOV by you. It appears to be some kind of postcard. I would be grateful if the tag was removed as one could simply tag all pictures of advertisements if this can be tagged. Thanks, Pheonix15 talk 21:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

90 94 or Dan Ryan
See the discussion in Talk:Dan Ryan Expressway. My concern was with the inaccuracies in the new table, which does not reflect current construction. This should also be discussed with Rob (talk). Busjack 14:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 11

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Change to non-standard title of New Jersey roads
As changed at this diff, why change New Jersey Route 3 (the article's actual title) to Route 3 (New Jersey)? Alansohn 07:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That was part of the AWB script I used a while back to remove stuff such as New Jersey Route 3, with no piping, from articles. You're right that that part of my diff alone doesn't make any difference, but it was just part of the script, and I was also making another useful change at the same time. You should not have made your edit; see Redirect. --NE2 07:17, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I only corrected something that wasn't broken as part of other useful changes. The WP:REDIRECT "issue" is only relevant where the only changes are to avoid a redirect. I will be more than happy to revert your changes until the AWB script is corrected. Alansohn 07:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I see that you also made another change. Feel free to waste your time, as long as your only changes are not useless. --NE2 07:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Please see to it that your AWB script is conforming with WP:USRD for road names, so that it is no longer needlessly changing article links from their proper titles. Alansohn 07:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you mean WP:USSH, which actually tells you not to do what you are doing: "There is nothing wrong with linking to a redirect; do not "fix" these "pipe-tricked" links." --NE2 07:28, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Per WP:USSH, "When linking to a state highway article, be sure to use the official name, especially for the cases where the official name and article title are different." Please see to it that your script is corrected so that it no longer violates standards. I have only corrected the naming standard violations you introduced while making other article changes. I'll gladly stop "fixing" them when you stop "breaking" them. Alansohn 07:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Look again at what the "official name" and "article title" are for New Jersey. That part of my edit was useless, but it did not break standards. --NE2 07:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Did the portion of your edits changing the link from the designated "article title" serve any useful purpose? Your arguments, at best, show that you might not be completely and totally "wrong", but they are certainly nonconforming with the policy established for such article titles and there is no valid reason that this policy should not be respected. Please fix the mistake in your script to ensure that no further unnecessary redirects are needlessly introduced. A simple OK, will address this issue. Alansohn 07:52, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Greenville Connector
Those websites are reliable source. Greenville website might have got infos from govt log. Interstate-Guide.com is a partly reliable source. Their last update was 2004 or 2005 so some infos can be outdated. Kurumi is total original source. I found alot of speculative roads on that article. Any reasons you delete everything from I-169 because govt. and communities did talk about I-169 route. Could they be because govt did not approve that route? Freeway guy  ( Any questions?   -  My updates  )   16:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

List of intrastate Interstate Highways
Ever since this page is made someone put I-45 might be extend to Oklahoma potentially take over I-345 alignment. They didn't put the source where the info is from. I could not determine whether the info is factual or speculation. Please remind the person who wrote the article to put citation somewhere in article. Otherwise I might have to remove it. I thought there might be Interstate 364 in Missouri too to take over SR-364 in MO but I don't write it on Wikipedia because it would be original source. Interstate-Guide is partially reliable source, they get infos base on what groups of communities suggest. Please let me know where the person found this information if you have any questions write on my talk page and please reply to this question. Freeway guy789194  ( Any questions?   -  My updates   19:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I-40 Extension
Any source base on the extension to Golden State Freeway. Most of what is on Interstate-Guide is base on groups of city debation and govt. arguement. For any road-relate articles you need at least  2 sources  citing the informations, otherwise it will be consider Original Source. Interstate-Guide is a partially reliable source. Pages last alter 3 years ago does no good. Wikipedia is zero tolerance over Original Research. Freeway guy789194  ( Any questions?   -  My updates  ) 21:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? --NE2 21:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Revertion
How do you revert an edit? AR Argon 23:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Because somebody has reverted my edit. AR Argon 23:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright. So it's used against vandalism. But how can I help against vandals? AR Argon 02:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, man. I appreciate the help. AR Argon 03:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Be forewarned
There are deletionists afoot with the bus routes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/London_Buses_route_1_%282nd_nomination%29 -- David  Shankbone  04:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw. --NE2 04:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I-345
Why you move I-345 to Interstate 45. I-345 still exist today. There is little difference between sign and unsigned interstates-they are active interstates. There is no such future replacement of I-345. Freeway guy789194  ( Any questions?   -  My Updates  ) 21:23, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Your edit to Access control
You will see that I changed this, because it refers to the Limited-access road mentioned in the article hatnote, rather than Access control. I was going to transfer it, but I saw that it's already dealt with there.

I hope this makes sense! Best. --Old Moonraker 22:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Autoroute as disambiguation page
If it really is a disambiguation page, then please won't you take a few moments to disambiguate some of the links to this page? (It should be easy.) Thanks! Ewlyahoocom 17:23, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Exit lists
Umm, I recall that for the Interstate exit lists, we all have them in the same format. Even if it's one county, we still include it as part of the table. I learned how to do this here; check the first exit list. Artisol2345 16:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So we should just leave it as a column. Unless other editors agree with you that the county shouldn't be in the column, then I still prefer to undo your revisions. Oh, and plus, you messed up the exit list on Interstate 97, but I'm sure it was an accident. You can check your revision here. Artisol2345 17:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I gave you the link-- here.
 * Did you check the exit list?
 * Wait, wrong link-- back in a second to fix it
 * Never mind, that was my mess-up. Sorry about that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Artisol2345 (talk • contribs) 17:05, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
 * So how does the Be_bold agree to your decision? I don't see anything pertaining to your saying "The entire route is in Anne Arundel County."
 * So I have another question: If you wanted to leave out the columns, what about a few articles that do have one-county columns like... Interstate 15 in Nevada or Interstate 110 (California) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Artisol2345 (talk • contribs) 17:16, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I did for the County Columns, but the city column for Los Angeles in [[Interstate 110 (California) was like that. So I added the county columns to be consistent will all the other table of exit lists.


 * What, I suppose you are going to fix it so that there's a "The entire route is in *INSTERT COUNTY NAME HERE*."? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Artisol2345 (talk • contribs) 17:20, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Canada naming conventions
Please read again WP:WPCR. The convention calls for naming Alberta highways as "Alberta provincial highway x" and "Alberta Secondary Highway x". --Qyd 22:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, then could you please update the convention listing? Your edit summaries point to a page that (as it is now) contradicts your actions. Cheers. --Qyd 22:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Interstate 15 in Montana exit list
I added the county and location columns for the exit list. Do you find them in the proper format? I just needed feedback. Thanks! Artisol2345 03:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * edit: Wait, wrong person. I meant to ask User:Rschen7754 that question. Sorry about that. :D Artisol2345 03:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:New Brunswick Route 103
It was a stub. Regards, PeaceNT 14:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, I assume you'd like to recreate this page. (?) Would you like to have the article userfied? Regards, PeaceNT 14:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The content is now at User:NE2/Sandbox, and please use db-userreq when you've finished working on it. Cheers, PeaceNT 14:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm, the original author of this page (User:Kirjtc2) requested deletion, so I deleted it. Perhaps you might discuss with him or her to see the reason why s/he no longer wanted that article (to avoid warring, you know)? PeaceNT 14:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. Will restore the page shortly. Regards, PeaceNT 14:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Saskatchewan Highway 623
Hello there. Regarding the route deleted from above said article. Other articles list sections named Intersections from west to east and put the information into tabular format..such as Saskatchewan Highway 1. Articles such as Saskatchewan Highway 623 used a listing format which basically does the same information. The information was paraphrased, wikilinked, modified and adapted from microsoft streets and tips to provide the same information. It was not meant to be a travel guide, but rather the format, function of the road/highway in relation to others. SriMesh | talk  03:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Saskatchewan provincial roads
I also commented on List of Saskatchewan provincial roads talk page to other comments made. Please advise, as you have a vested interest in roads/highways, and I am fairly new at this, but proud to live in Saskatchewan with its various types of thoroughfares to cross vast distances. I will have a peek,next, at how you are going about formatting your articles to see what you consider encyclopedic content, and see if I can use some of your ideas for outlines, and structure, so others on the WWW are comfortable surfing Saskatchewan articles as well. AnSriMesh | talk  04:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)y comments for improvements are very welcome on this list or the above.... SriMesh | talk  03:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a Saskatchewan Wikiproject for roads talk page to announce your deletions on for Saskatchewan articles instead of the Canada wikiroads project.SriMesh | talk  22:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello there This is my User:SriMesh user page...and my User contributions link is at the bottom of it. I did quite a lot of various highway articles.  You may delete them all if you wish.  They will be easy to find there, and you can go for it, they all have the same thing you don't think is wikipdia-ish.  I was fairly consistent.  Sorry about that.  SriMesh |  talk  04:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Huh? The provincial routes should be fine; it's the local roads that aren't. --NE2 04:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Photo on user page
The photo of the road on your user page is absolutely awesome!!! Where is it located? SriMesh | talk  03:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If you click on it, you get the image description page. --NE2 03:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Images
I'm glad you liked and the others I've done!

MSPaint all the way!  Andrew 647  03:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Category:U.S. Highways in Texas
Read the very last paragraph of that source you provided, if the US highways were in fact Texas state highways, it wouldn't need to be forwarded to AASHTO for approval. --Holderca1 14:31, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I give up, it's impossible to get anything across. --Holderca1 14:33, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I give up on communication. No need to continue banging my head against a wall.  --Holderca1 14:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah, I am done. --Holderca1 14:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 12

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New Template for Nova Scotia roads
I created the following template yesterday.

I believe that it is superior to the 100-series template that exists since it encompasses all NS roads instead of just the 100-series. What do you think?  Andrew 647  00:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That's a good point. I created this just as an idea to put forward to replace the 100-series template.  If you continue to add the infobox to all Nova Scotia roads, should that template be removed as well?   Andrew 647  00:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, haha. Any way I can join this debate?  I'll put my name down to join WPCR.   Andrew 647  01:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

New PA Highway Category
Thanks. Ill make note of it :) Whammies Were Here (PYLrulz) 01:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

A VERY SERIOUS, STRONG objection to the master templates
Hi NE2,

I have noticed you have cleared all the master templates of the roads sorted by provinces. This is unacceptable, at least that is what I think. The templates provide a very convenient access of roads from counties to counties (or cities to cities, province to province, whatever the case might be), and should not be removed.

Your ONT 400 highways is also very unorganized. Although you think you have shrunk its size, you are making it very confusing to read.

Without concensus, you should not have done such major changes to the master templates. It is perfectly appropriate to create master templates like, which is a whole lot different than what your edit summary said.

Smcafirst | Chat at 00:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I will not reply during weekdays since I am busy with schoolwork.


 * This discussion, coupled with your edit war over the NS Roads and Highways template, should be reviewed at WPCR.  Andrew 6 47 18:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to British roads
Can you please at least discuss changes to articles on roads in Britain before making them. You're currently changing "Multiplex" to Overlap (road). Overlap only exists as a redirect to Concurrency (road), and I have never heard the term used in this context in British English. I appreciate it's a WP:USRD decision, but WP:USRD is specifically about US roads, which use a different set of terminology and in this case appears to be inappropriate in a non-US context —  iride scent   (talk to me!)  22:21, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * (crossposted)
 * I've not got a problem with getting rid of "multiplex" - I think it's horribly confusing (as people assume it relates to the construction firm) as well as an ugly neologism - but "overlap" isn't the appropriate thing to change it to in a UK context. On the couple of articles where I've re-changed it, I've amended it to concurrency, as a least-worst option - it's the name we use for the article itself, after all —  iride scent   (talk to me!)  22:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Your nominations for deletion
I, and the rest of the Wikiproject Canadian Roads are asking you to stop nominating everything for deletion and blanking everything. it is vandalism and will not be tolerated. if you do not stop, you will be blocked from editing. RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk 00:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I think so, and know so. You need to stop this vandalism at once. I've read the article, and what you've done qualifies as vandalism. RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk 00:14, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:VAND before continuing. Good faith edits are not vandalism. --Rschen7754 (T C) 00:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree 100% with RingtailedFox. You need to stop this at once. Stop blanking out pages. I cannot say anything more but what RingtailedFox said. By the way, I still disagree the fact that you think Infobox Road could "take over" the job of the templates. If infobox could serve as templates, then what are templates for? I like the way you made improve the infobox, but that does not mean I agree with the fact Infobox Road could take over. Say if I want to jump from Highway 2 to Highway 148, I could not do it by clicking the next consecutive highway over and over again. Yes, I could do it by using List of Ontario Provincial highways, but it would be too time consuming to search for it in such a big list (you know, the list has other introductions and texts as well). Smcafirst | Chat  at 00:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * However, the templates are too big and are red-link farms, which are not recommended in articles. I do have to agree with NE2 and Rschen7754 for NE2's actions that may have made two people in a walled garden WikiProject to overreact.  RingtailedFox and Smcafirst, please calm down from this; you guys are making this much worse than it can be at this point. —O (说 • 喝) 00:39, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

If you're going to be having a discussion between each other, please take it elsewhere (WT:CRWP?); I'm still doing the AWB "multiplex" run, and each new message stops the process. Thank you. --NE2 00:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Overlap?
In articles such as Ohio State Route 273, I have no complaint about changing "multiplex" to "overlap" in the text if it's the result of consensus, but why are you changing the link itself to "overlap" away from "concurrency" when the latter is the article title? Nyttend 03:30, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course there's nothing wrong with a redirect, but why change a link away from the article's title itself to a redirect? It's as if you changed links to "Ohio State Route 273" to links to "Ohio State Highway 273".  Nyttend 03:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I can't understand it, but your explanation makes sense to me :-) Could you please reformat your regex, whatever that is, so that it won't change links away from Concurrency (road)?  Nyttend 03:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

List of Saskatchewan provincial roads
I put the article in the List of Saskatchewan provincial roads as I didn't know what to name it. The request was made to have an article which defined or supported a list. SriMesh | talk  04:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Reply to note + Template:King's Highway for deletion
No problem, although I have to disagree about the King's Highway template for deletion (unlike the category before), unless there is a similar Ontario provincial highways template. Reason why, a template is more user friendly for those who don't want to search throughout a long list of roads like in Ontario, they can automatically accessed via the article itself. The infobox browser is also very useful for those who likes to navigate one by one mostly for updates and fixes, just like I've done over the past few days with the Quebec Routes. Thus I prefer that a Wikipedia article must as much user reader friendly as possible - thus having much links/ways possible to navigate (except clear duplications such as the King's and Ontario provincial highway cats - the King's naming being less familiar to people outside of Ontario).

As for the template size, I don't know if there is a way to automatically hide the content of the template (when first seeing the article) when there is no other templates (I guess that when one other template exists the new one that is inserted is automatically in a hide-mode). That would probably ease concerns for those who believe that templates are too big or uses to much space into an article. Anyway, there are very useful as much as the infobox browser.JForget 19:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced elements in some Quebec Autoroute articles
Sorry to bother you again, but I think this and this and possibly Transports Quebec may be the best sources for various exit and mis info on Quebec Autoroutes while this this & this may be the more useful ones for Ontario. I could in the coming days for the Quebec Autoroute articles this fix some of the details.

And finally there is definitely a second section of Quebec Autoroute 5 in which it is signed A-5 concurrently with H-105 and H-366 in La Peche and this was like that since at least the mid 1990's as I during that time often passed through that area while heading to La Peche or Gracefield. At the end of the freeway section of the 5/105/366 there is a sign of A-5's second terminus.--JForget 19:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I see that the Google Map does mark the section between H-366 and MacLaren Road as HWY-5. The reason why Transport Quebec doesn't mark it, is probably because that second stretch is so small (I think it's probably only about 2 kilometers long - so we only see the red-white section only without the A-5 shield). Understand that may not be the shortest Quebec freeway section, but that may very well be the shortest segment which is a designated Autoroute - there is also no interchanges as well, only intersections and without traffic lights.--JForget 17:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:Fort Bend Westpark Tollway shield.svg
Comments, please? (re: scaling) —O (说 • 喝) 20:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: ATSF 17
The closest that I could find on that one is a single photo of an F7B in Kansas City from 1973; the photo description page notes that the locomotive was scrapped in 1981, so I don't see how it could be used to unload containers in San Diego today. Expanding the search to BNSF 17 returned no additional results in my resources, so that one we can let go. Slambo (Speak) 11:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)