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 * 1943
 * 1948 (pp. 11-12)
 * 1949 (numbers on pp. 83-86, 104)
 * 1954 (partial map)
 * others from non-talk page

has some detailed SFV history.

was this on Fremont Avenue?
 * 50 Pasadena-Alhambra SP Station
 * 1943, 1948

bustituted 1935 why the renumbering? 51 and 79 swapped
 * 51 Garfield Avenue-Highland Park
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 51
 * 1954, 1962, 1970: 79 Alhambra-South Pasadena-Highland Park
 * 1985: 176, 256

bustituted 1941
 * 52 Alhambra-Temple City
 * 1943, 1948, 1949
 * 1970: 52 Los Angeles-Alhambra-Temple City-Arcadia
 * 1985: 78

bustituted 1941
 * 53 Los Angeles-Pomona-San Bernardino via Garvey Avenue
 * 1943 (probably folded into 63 by 1948)


 * 54 Long Beach-Huntington Park
 * 1943, 1948, 1949
 * 1970: 66 Huntington Park-Long Beach-San Pedro (combined with Long Beach-San Pedro by 1959)
 * 1985: 60

bustituted 1940 (Balboa) bustituted 1950 (Newport Beach)
 * 55 (17) Los Angeles-Balboa
 * 1943: 55 Los Angeles-Newport Beach-Balboa (why no Newport Beach except 13 "special service"?)
 * 1948, 1949: 17 Newport Beach, 55 Los Angeles-Balboa
 * 1970: 55 Los Angeles-Newport Beach-Balboa
 * 1985: 266


 * 56 Sunland
 * 1943, 1948, 1949 (Glendale-Montrose-Verdugo City-La Canada listed separately in 1948)
 * 1954: 56
 * 1970: 56 Los Angeles-Montrose-Sunland and 19 Glendale-Montrose-La Canada (latter split out in 1963)
 * 1985: 90/91, 177


 * 57 Los Angeles-El Monte-Redlands via Valley Boulevard
 * 1943 (probably folded into 63 by 1948)

bustituted 1938 (Whittier, Fullerton, and Yorba Linda) bustituted 1950 (Santa Ana)
 * 58 (11) Los Angeles-Santa Ana (including Whittier Boulevard Local)
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 11 (rail) and 58 (bus)
 * 1970: 58 Los Angeles-Fullerton-Santa Ana and 72 Los Angeles-Whittier-Fullerton
 * 1985: 460/462/464/466, 470


 * 59 Long Beach-Riverside
 * 1943, 1948, 1949
 * 1970: 59 Long Beach-Riverside
 * 1985: 149

bustituted 1938
 * 60 Riverside-Colton-San Bernardino
 * 1943 (probably folded into 63 by 1948)


 * 61 Long Beach-Pasadena
 * 1943, 1948, 1949
 * 1970: 61 Long Beach-Pasadena and 38 Long Beach-Whittier-El Monte? (the latter appears on maps back to the 1930s but isn't in any lists)
 * 1985: 260, 266

bustituted 1938 (but not in 1943 list - was it initially part of 59?)
 * 62 Redlands-San Bernardino-Riverside-Arlington
 * 1948, 1949
 * 1970: 62 Eastside Loop-Magnolia Avenue-La Sierra-Riverside
 * 1985: abandoned?

bustituted 1941 (but not in 1943 list - was it initially 53 and 59?)
 * 63 Los Angeles-El Monte-Pomona-San Bernardino-Riverside (including Valley Boulevard Local and Garvey Avenue Local)
 * 1948, 1949
 * 1970: 63 Los Angeles-El Monte via Garvey Avenue, 53 Los Angeles-El Monte-Pomona, and 60 Los Angeles-Pomona-Riverside-San Bernardino-Redlands
 * 1985: 70, 484/490, 496


 * 64 Pasadena-Pomona
 * 1948, 1949
 * 1970: 64 Pasadena-Pomona
 * 1985: 187

bustituted 1950
 * 65 (5) San Marino-Sierra Madre
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 5 (rail)
 * 1949: 65 (bus)
 * 1970: 67 Los Angeles-Sierra Madre-Santa Anita Highlands (renumbered? or combined with 67?)
 * 1985: 487

bustituted 1949
 * 66 (9-10) Long Beach-San Pedro
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 9-10 (1949 pp. 83-86 table only; bus on p. 104)
 * 1949: 66
 * 1970: 66 Huntington Park-Long Beach-San Pedro
 * 1985: 146

where was 67? presumably it started out as a variant of 65 - or was it completely different and eliminated (which happened by 1958, when 87 became 65)?

bustituted 1951
 * 68 (4) Monrovia-Glendora
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 4
 * 1970: 68 Los Angeles-Monrovia-Glendora
 * 1985: 79

bustituted 1950
 * 69 (3) El Monte-Baldwin Park
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 3
 * 1970: 69 Los Angeles-Hellman Avenue
 * 1985: 170

bustituted 1950
 * 70 (1) Pasadena Oak Knoll
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 1
 * 1970: 70 Los Angeles-Pasadena via Oak Knoll
 * 1985: 485

bustituted 1951
 * 71 (2) Pasadena Short Line
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 2
 * 1970: 71 Los Angeles-Pasadena via Short Line
 * 1985: 483

bustituted 1961 (proposed number 72 from 1955)
 * 72 (6) Los Angeles-Long Beach
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 6
 * 1970: 36 Long Beach Freeway Flyer
 * 1985: 456

bustituted 1958 (proposed number 73 from 1955)
 * 73 (7-8) Los Angeles-San Pedro
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 7-8
 * 1970: 33 Los Angeles-Compton-Wilmington and 37 Harbor Freeway Flyer-San Pedro
 * 1985: 55, 446

bustituted 1958 (proposed number 74 from 1955)
 * 74 (11?) Bellflower
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 11 Santa Ana
 * 1970: 34 Los Angeles-Lynwood-Paramount-Bellflower
 * 1985: 358, 455

bustituted 1940
 * 75 Santa Monica via Beverly Hills
 * 1943, 1948, 1949
 * 1962: 75
 * 1970: 4/4B West Olympic Boulevard-Beverly Hills-West Los Angeles-Santa Monica
 * 1985: 27

bustituted 1950 (was it something else before 75?)
 * 75 (30) Venice Short Line
 * 1948, 1949: 30
 * 1962, 1970: 75 Echo Park Avenue-Downtown Los Angeles-Culver City via Venice Boulevard-Venice-Santa Monica (Echo Park was 94 in 1962; 75 instead included Olympic)
 * 1985: 33

bustituted 1955
 * 75 (29) Los Angeles-Glendale-Burbank
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 29 Glendale-Burbank
 * 1954: 75 (combined with Santa Monica via Beverly Hills on bustitution; split 1958)
 * 1962, 1970: 39 Los Angeles-Glendale-Burbank
 * 1985: 92/93


 * 76 Beverly-Sunset Boulevards
 * 1943, 1948, 1949
 * 1962, 1970: 76 Beverly Hills-UCLA-Pacific Palisades (portion along Beverly Boulevard redundant to ex-LARy 44; removed in 1970)
 * 1985: 576


 * 77 Hollywood-Beverly Hills-University
 * 1943, 1948, 1949, 1954: 77
 * 1962, 1970: 91 Los Angeles-Hollywood-Beverly Hills (combined with Los Angeles-Hollywood)
 * 1985: 2

bustituted 1940
 * 78 Western-Franklin
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 78
 * 1962, 1970: 89 Fairfax Avenue-Hollywoodland-Western & Franklin (combined with LAMC Fairfax)
 * 1985: 26, 207, 208

bustituted 1940
 * 79 Los Angeles-Redondo Beach
 * 1943, 1948, 1949 (were both routes 79, via Playa del Rey and Inglewood?)
 * 1970: 13 El Segundo-Playa del Rey-Culver City and 51 Los Angeles-International Airport-Redondo Beach (why the renumbering?)
 * 1985: 42, 438


 * 80 Emery Park
 * 1943, 1948, 1949
 * 1962, 1970: 80 Emery Park
 * 1985: 259

acquired by LATL in 1949?; renumbered 1958?
 * 80 LAMC Talmadge-Hyperion
 * 1962, 1970: 78 Talmadge-Hyperion
 * 1985: 175


 * 81 Hollywood-Ventura Boulevard
 * 1943, 1948, 1949, 1954
 * 1962, 1970: 81 Ventura Boulevard-Hollywood-Lockheed-Burbank
 * 1985: 150

renumbered 1949 (why?)
 * 82 North Hollywood
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 82
 * 1954: 88 North Hollywood-Van Nuys
 * 1970: 74 North Hollywood-Van Nuys-San Fernando (combined with Van Nuys-San Fernando in 1962)
 * 1985: 152?


 * 82 LAMC Wilshire
 * 1962: 83 (combined with Sunset)
 * 1970: 83 Wilshire Boulevard-UCLA-Santa Monica (Sunset split out)
 * 1985: 20

bustituted 1938 renumbered 1949 (why?)
 * 83 Van Nuys-Canoga Park
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 83
 * 1954: 90 Van Nuys-Canoga Park
 * 1970: 86 Los Angeles-Burbank-North Hollywood-Canoga Park (original 83 split out and joined to 86 in 1963)
 * 1985: 163


 * 83 LAMC Sunset
 * 1954, 1962: 83
 * 1970: 42 Sunset Boulevard-Temple Street (original 83 split out and joined to ex-LARy 42)
 * 1985: 2/3

bustituted 1938 renumbered 74 in 1958
 * 84 Van Nuys-San Fernando
 * 1943, 1948, 1949
 * 1954: 84 Van Nuys-San Fernando via Sepulveda
 * 1970: 90 San Fernando-Studio City-Van Nuys (split out of 74 as 19 in 1962, then joined to 90 in 1963)
 * 1985: 234

acquired by LATL in 1949?
 * 84 LAMC Western
 * 1962, 1970: 84 Western Avenue
 * 1985: 207

renumbered 1958
 * 85 Van Nuys-Birmingham Hospital
 * 1948, 1949
 * 1954: 85 Van Nuys-San Fernando via Reseda
 * 1970: 74 North Hollywood-Van Nuys-San Fernando
 * 1985: 165

acquired by LATL in 1949?
 * 85 LAMC Crenshaw-Vine-La Brea
 * 1962, 1970: 85 Crenshaw-Vine-La Brea
 * 1985: 210


 * 86 Los Angeles-Van Nuys via Riverside Drive
 * 1948, 1949
 * 1954, 1962, 1970: 86 Los Angeles-Burbank-North Hollywood-Canoga Park
 * 1985: 96

acquired by LATL in 1949; renumbered 1958
 * 86 LAMC Vermont-Los Feliz
 * 1962: 31 Vermont-Los Feliz
 * 1970: 23 Los Angeles Zoo (split out 1966), 31 Hollywood-Glendale-Pasadena
 * 1985: 97, 180/181


 * 87 North Hollywood-Studio City-Sherman Oaks
 * 1948, 1949
 * 1954: 87 North Hollywood-Studio City
 * 1970: 90 San Fernando-Studio City-Van Nuys (combined with Van Nuys-Canoga Park in 1962)
 * 1985: 97

acquired by LATL in 1949; renumbered 1958
 * 87 LAMC Silverlake-Riverside
 * 1962, 1970: 65 Silverlake-Riverside Drive
 * 1985: 201


 * 89 LAMC Fairfax
 * 1954, 1962, 1970: 89 Fairfax Avenue-Hollywoodland-Western & Franklin
 * 1985: 217


 * 90 LAMC Olympic
 * 1962: 4
 * 1970: 4/4A West Olympic Boulevard-Beverly Hills
 * 1985: 28

bustituted 1952 (San Fernando Valley - was it numbered 33 at the end?) and 1953 (Santa Monica Boulevard)
 * 91 (28) Subway-Santa Monica Boulevard-West Hollywood-San Fernando Valley
 * 1943, 1948, 1949 (Santa Monica Boulevard listed separately in 1948)
 * 1954, 1962, 1970: 91 Los Angeles-Hollywood-Beverly Hills
 * 1985: 1?

separated 1950, Sierra Vista bustituted 1951, Watts 1961 (proposed number 95 from 1955)
 * 92 (25) Watts-Sierra Vista
 * 1943, 1948, 1949: 25
 * 1962, 1970: 92 Watts-Sierra Vista
 * 1985: 56, 252


 * 93 Los Angeles-North Hollywood-Van Nuys via Hollywood
 * 1954, 1962, 1970: 93 Los Angeles-Van Nuys-Pacoima (originally an express version of 91)
 * 1985: 420

bustituted 1954 (Echo Park 1950)
 * 94 (32) Subway-Hollywood Boulevard-San Vicente-Echo Park
 * 1948, 1949 (split as Echo Park Avenue and Hollywood Boulevard Lines in 1948 list; p. 134 lists them)
 * 1954, 1962, 1970: 94 Los Angeles-Santa Monica Boulevard-West Hollywood (included Echo Park in 1962, which went to 75 in 1970)
 * 1985: 1?, 33 (Echo Park)

other rail lines: abandoned 1953
 * 12 Santa Monica Air Line
 * 1943, 1948, 1949

what were 15 and 16?


 * 26 Hollywood Boulevard-Venice Short Line
 * 1943 (through routing of 30 and Hollywood)


 * 27 Subway-Hollywood
 * 1943 (what did this become?)

what was 31? Hollywood Boulevard surface (abandoned 1950)?


 * Venice Boulevard-San Vicente
 * 1948 (what did this become?)

Origin of 1970 bus numbers
The LATL/MCL merger was in 1958, and conflicting numbers were changed.
 * 2 (LATL) Brooklyn & Hooper
 * 3 (LATL) West 6th & Central
 * 4 (LATL) Melrose-West Olympic-Beverly Hills-West Los Angeles-Santa Monica
 * 5 (LATL) Hawthorne-Inglewood-Union Station
 * 6 (LATL?) South Vermont-Highland Park
 * 7 (LATL) Eagle Rock-South Broadway
 * 8 (LATL) West 54th-North Main
 * 9 (LATL J) West Jefferson-Huntington Park-South Gate-Hollydale
 * 10 (LATL?) West 48th-Inglewood-Prairie
 * 11 (Foster Transportation? acquired 1962) San Gabriel-Atlantic (but what was 11 in 1958?)
 * 12 (LATL?) West Washington-North Broadway
 * 13 (MCL 79?) El Segundo-Playa del Rey-Culver City
 * 14 (MCL/ART) North Hollywood-Burbank-Valley Plaza
 * 15 (MCL/ART) San Fernando-Olive View Hospital-Veterans Hospital
 * 16 (MCL/ART) North Hollywood-Sun Valley-Roscoe
 * 17 (Foster Transportation? acquired 1962) New-Fremont (MCL/ART 17 existed until 1960)
 * 18 (LATL) East Jefferson-Coliseum
 * 19 (MCL 56 split 1963) Glendale-Montrose-La Canada (MCL/ART 19 existed until 1962)
 * 20 (Glendale City Lines 2/4 acquired 1962) East Glenoaks-Kenneth (MCL/ART 20 existed until 1960)
 * 21 (MCL/ART) Culver City-Hollywood
 * 22 (Glendale City Lines 1/3 acquired 1962) Atwater-East Colorado (MCL/ART 22 existed until 1962)
 * 23 (LAMC 86 split 1966) Los Angeles Zoo (but what was 23 in 1958?)
 * 24 (MCL/ART 12) Los Angeles-San Fernando
 * 25 (LATL) West 9th & North Figueroa
 * 26 (LATL P) West Pico-East 1st
 * 27 (LATL) Vernon-Santa Barbara-La Cienega
 * 28 (LATL R) Whittier-West 3rd
 * 29 (LATL S) San Pedro-West 7th
 * 30 (LATL) Evergreen
 * 31 (LAMC 86) Hollywood-Glendale-Pasadena
 * 32 (LATL) Indiana-Gage
 * 33 (MCL 7) Los Angeles-Compton-Wilmington
 * 34 (MCL 11) Los Angeles-Lynwood-Paramount-Bellflower
 * 35 (new 1958) West Valley Freeway Flyer
 * 36 (MCL 6) Long Beach Freeway Flyer
 * 37 Harbor Freeway Flyer-San Pedro
 * 38 Long Beach-Whittier-El Monte
 * 39 (MCL 75 split 1958) Los Angeles-Glendale-Burbank
 * 40 N/A
 * 41 (LATL) Alvarado
 * 42 (LATL 11) Sunset-Temple (why the renumbering and when?)
 * 43 (LATL) Avenue 50 & El Paso
 * 44 (LATL) Beverly-West Adams
 * 45 (new 1960s?) Laguna Hills Leisure World-Santa Ana
 * 46 (LATL) East Florence-Slauson
 * 47 (LATL) Whittier-East 4th
 * 48 N/A
 * 49 (LATL) San Pedro-South Figueroa
 * 50 (LATL) Florence-Soto
 * 51 (MCL 79?) Los Angeles-International Airport-Redondo Beach
 * 52 (MCL) Los Angeles-Alhambra-Temple City-Arcadia
 * 53 (MCL 53 split) Los Angeles-El Monte-Pomona
 * 54 (LATL) South Gate-Manchester Avenue-Inglewood-Westchester
 * 55 (MCL) Los Angeles-Newport Beach-Balboa
 * 56 (MCL) Los Angeles-Montrose-Sunland
 * 57 (new 1960s?) Race Track Freeway Flyer
 * 58 (MCL) Los Angeles-Fullerton-Santa Ana
 * 59 (MCL) Long Beach-Riverside
 * 60 (MCL 53 split) Los Angeles-Pomona-Riverside-San Bernardino-Redlands
 * 61 (MCL) Long Beach-Pasadena
 * 62 (MCL) Eastside Loop-Magnolia Avenue-La Sierra-Riverside
 * 63 (MCL) Los Angeles-El Monte via Garvey Avenue
 * 64 (MCL) Pasadena-Pomona
 * 65 (LAMC 87) Silverlake-Riverside Drive (renumbered because MCL 87 lasted until 1962)
 * 66 (MCL) Huntington Park-Long Beach-San Pedro
 * 67 (MCL?) Los Angeles-Sierra Madre-Santa Anita Highlands
 * 68 (MCL) Los Angeles-Monrovia-Glendora
 * 69 (MCL) Los Angeles-Hellman Avenue
 * 70 (MCL) Los Angeles-Pasadena via Oak Knoll
 * 71 (MCL) Los Angeles-Pasadena via Short Line
 * 72 (MCL 11) Los Angeles-Whittier-Fullerton
 * 73 (LATL 60) Van Ness Avenue (why the renumbering? was 60 split from MCL 53 before 1958?)
 * 74 (MCL 84/85) North Hollywood-Van Nuys-San Fernando
 * 75 (MCL) Echo Park Avenue-Downtown Los Angeles-Culver City via Venice Boulevard-Venice-Santa Monica
 * 76 (MCL) Beverly Hills-UCLA-Pacific Palisades
 * 77 (LATL 55) Maywood-Bell
 * 78 (LAMC 80) Talmadge-Hyperion
 * 79 (MCL 51) Alhambra-South Pasadena-Highland Park
 * 80 (MCL) Emery Park
 * 81 (MCL) Ventura Boulevard-Hollywood-Lockheed-Burbank
 * 82 (new 1960s?) Grand Avenue-Streeter Avenue-Riverside
 * 83 (LAMC) Wilshire Boulevard-UCLA-Santa Monica
 * 84 (LAMC) Western Avenue
 * 85 (LAMC) Crenshaw-Vine-La Brea
 * 86 (MCL) Los Angeles-Burbank-North Hollywood-Canoga Park
 * 87 (new 1960s?) Ramona Gardens-General Hospital
 * 88 (new 1960s?) San Diego Freeway Flyer
 * 89 (LAMC) Fairfax Avenue-Hollywoodland-Western & Franklin
 * 90 (MCL) San Fernando-Studio City-Van Nuys
 * 91 (MCL) Los Angeles-Hollywood-Beverly Hills
 * 92 (MCL) Watts-Sierra Vista
 * 93 (MCL) Los Angeles-Van Nuys-Pacoima
 * 94 (MCL) Los Angeles-Santa Monica Boulevard-West Hollywood
 * 95 (LATL V) Vernon Avenue-Vermont Avenue
 * 96 (27 split 1960s) South Normandie Avenue