User talk:NFook

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Regarding Nforce
See WP:NPOV regarding neutrality. Neutrality does not mean equal time to differing view points. Also see what constitutes original research here WP:OR. Wikipedia is not a primary source and any opinion or theory or a number of other things put forth by an editor require a source. As the Nforce article is currently a mess, adding more unsourced information to it doesn't really help it. What I said on the talk page of the article goes for both sides of the fence. Any unsource information will be cleaned up and removed. Likely the entire article will be rewritten to comply with the polices and guidelines of wikipedia. --Crossmr 01:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * For citations have a look at WP:CITE, WP:V and WP:RS for information on how to properly cite things and what can be used as a citation. In this case the nfo is no different than a blog posting. Currently these types of things are not acceptable for citation on wikipedia, though I'm actually trying to change that, see this page: Guidelines for Citing Self-published Blogs for a proposal I'm working on. I'll have a look at that specific nfo and see if anything can currently be cited out of it.--Crossmr 01:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

In response to that: Taking "In this case the nfo is no different than a blog posting" would mean that almost all warez group/site scene related articles should be removed since almost all the information in there has come from .NFO files. I see no citations in these articles and still they have existed for over a year now. Can you explain this? NFO files on official and serious indexing sites should be taken as serious sources for information concerning these subjects. 209.8.233.7 01:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That would have to be addressed on a case by case basis of notability, relevance, and reliability. Anything that comes from a self-published source, which an nfo is, is always questioned around here. There are some articles that have existed for a long time like nforce, that while the subject is notable, citations are lacking and need massive clean-up. Their existence or lack of attention to proper guidelines isn't any kind precedent for that. It just means the article needs attention to be brough into line. Some people question these things more than others and some articles were created long ago under slightly different rules and because they don't attract a lot of attention don't get cleaned up as fast as other articles.--Crossmr 02:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)