User talk:NSR77/Archive 4

An enormous thread
Damn you—you archived that awesomely long thread. I hope you didn't do so without reservation, haha. It had a good run I suppose, hopefully this one will be just as long. I suppose it was for the best because we reached a point where we weren't even talking about Frusciante in his thread anyway. And now, for what I was going to say. You should go ahead and nominate the RHCP discography. It's definitely ready. Any input that can be offered will be done during the FA, and I'm sure it'll be minor. I'll be there to help it through. Grim 04:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey buddy. I've been working on the SP discography a bit, and I've also been wasting a bunch of time over at the Tool FAC (Don't ask me why—I can't stand the band). Well I guess I started with that because it was getting a bunch of "support" votes despite being in pretty bad shape. Hopefully Raul will close the nom soon—although if he did, it would be based solely on my input. You seem to have the RHCP discography FLC pretty well in hand. I've been watching it for anything I could do to help, but it seems to be going ok. I want to work on Niandra Lades. I think it would be awesome if we could get it to GA or higher—and seeing as how we both know the sources intimately, it wouldn't be that hard either. Tell me what you think. Grim 22:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I liked your comments on the Powderfinger Discography FLC, but I just ripped the FLC a new asshole. You know, it sucks because the sad thing is, I agree with your take on the discography. It is beautiful. It is innovative. Unfortunately, it's innovating something that shouldn't be innovated. Too bad...Well, changing topics...Where should we start with Niandra Lades? You have a ton of experience in writing great album articles—point me in the right direction. Grim 01:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't like to fight either—maybe argue a little—but I'm really just trying to convey my opinion clearly. Hopefully I've accomplished that. Anyway...Let's get going on the article. Sounds like fun. Grim 13:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your words at the Powderfinger discography FLC. If we don't resolve this soon I'm going to have to take an extended break. I'm locked in fucking war with Lara Love over the Fallout Boy discography. It's a disgusting mess that's in an advanced state of disrepair and for some reason, I'm unable to convey that. Good help me. Oh, and I've involuntarily become a full time fAC/FLC reviewer. I review articles on topics I despise mainly (Tool, Fallout Boy). Fuck me. I just want to work on Niandra Lades in peace. Grim 00:03, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Which Powderfinger and Wheezer albums are you referring to? I'm not saying I'll review either—I'm a bit jaded right now. But I will take a look. Grim 00:34, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right. I've been intemperate. Too bad I've already fucked that up over at FOB discography. I haven't even rendered a proper review of it for the love of god. Live and learn...I thought it was Dream Days at the Hotel Existence you were talking about, but it doesn't have a FAC template on the talk page—WTF? Grim 00:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh nice. It's much easier to debunk articles than lists. I can't wait for John Mayer discography to be submitted for FLC. That's going to be a damn nightmare. What in the name of good christ are those collapsible near every column?? What ever happened to "keep it simple, stupid"?—discography writers have gone nuts! Well, I guess Rube Goldberg would be proud. Grim 01:00, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, let's go to work on it. I've just about wrapped up all my FAs I've commented on—which is awesome. Congrats on the RHCP discography and getting OHM to GA. If I can help you in any way to get OHM to FA, let me know. I'll probably give it a nice copyedit for you before you submit it. Grim 21:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm hoping it can follow in the footsteps of the FA Chili Pepper album articles—format-wise. We'll have to get creative with it though, because there won't be "tour" "chart positions" and "accolades" sections. We might have to draw inspiration from FA album articles which weren't very mainstream (if there are any). The background section is a great place to start though, as you said. Grim 00:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What'd you mean by "review it"? You mean like copyedit it? Grim 04:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Busy in "real life" I guess. I've been avoiding wikipedia a little bit because I don't want to deal with the Tool FAC, but I'll have to at some point. I'll take a look at OHM in a bit. Grim 17:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm still editing. I just don't have as much time and/or zeal for it as I used to. Take a look at the Tool FAC. Do you think it's ok if I leave it at that, or do you think I've undercut my obligations as an FA reviewer? I don't really know where to go with Niandra Lades. You have much experience writing album pages, so point me in the right direction if you can. I'm planning on giving OHM a copyedit soon—sorry to hold you up on that. Grim 23:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey homey. I'm not gonna quit—don't worry about that. I just need to recapture my zeal. "Mayonaise" eh? That's one of their most popular songs—among fans who know their shit at least. I personally think "Soma" is the album's best track. Grim 23:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

FYI for both of you: I have my references for One Hot Minute on hand now: a Guitar World interview with Dave Navarro and the Jane's Addiction bio. Let me know what you need and I'll try my best to help out.

Oh, and my favorite Pumpkins album used to be Mellon Collie, but now it's Siamese Dream. "Disarm" is admittedly my favorite song off the record, but "Cherub Rock" is their definitive song and "Hummer" is underrated. WesleyDodds 05:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. In fact, I've long considered Siamese Dream the ultimate alternative rock album. It essentially blended most forms of alt-rock at the time (grunge, goth, shoegaze, dream pop) into a cohesive whole with great songs. And it's never boring. WesleyDodds 21:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ideally when I finish my copyedit, but I seem to be dragging my feet through tar on getting that done. I don't like holding up progress either, so whenever you want to submit it—I won't object. Grim 21:53, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been good—busy though. I'm trying to get in a band. That shit ain't easy. How does one do it? Grim 00:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I just barely noticed that Wesley commented here. I need to slow down and smell the roses. If I had to choose their best album, I'd have to pick Mellon Collie I've heard it at least a hundred times, and it just strikes a chord with me. Machina II, the Gravity Demos and Mashed Potatoes are all amazing and grossly underexposed. I've been frustrated for the past 10 years knowing that there are thousands of unreleased demos that I'd kill to hear. "Pastichio Medley" pisses me off so much...There's some greatness on there that will never be heard. Grim 00:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey. I just finished my copyedit of OHM. There are still a few things that need to be done though. There might've been something else, but that's all I can think of right now. Grim 23:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) You should probably remove the soundclip of "Coffee Shop" and replace it with "Warped". "Coffee Shop" isn't mentioned directly in the text and thus doesn't qualify for inclusion.
 * 2) The picture of Kiedis on tour will probably get deleted because it's copyrighted and doesn't do enough for the article. If you could find a picture of him in a cast while on stage (copyrighted or not), then I bet it would stay up there.
 * Hey. I just finished my copyedit of Niandra Lades. I don't know if it's FA quality yet, but it should blow its GAC out of the water. Grim (talk) 00:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree—but it seems to cover all the bases. That's not a reason for it to fail its FA. It's a small article on a small album. It's well done and should be near FA, I think. Grim (talk) 01:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I felt like a slacker for not doing anything with Niandra Lades, but your efforts have made it easy for me to take it to the next level. Props to you as well. I'm housesitting for my grandparents who are out of town until the 6th—I think. They don't have a computer, so I can only get to mine on certain occasions. Grim (talk) 01:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it would be nice if Flea were in decent shape, but that seems impossible at the state it's in. I have nowhere to start with it, but I can say this much—any work put into it would be tremendous. Also, I inadvertently undid my changes to the "Reception and aftermath" section—so you might want to take another look at it now. Grim (talk) 01:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Xhix told me. It's quite funny. I'd be surprised if the band cares about it more than their lawyers/managers ect. do. I hope they win though. Lol. Grim (talk) 01:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

One Hot Minute made it to FA. That was probably the most painless FAC of all time. Excellent work. Grim (talk) 03:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking—Niandra Lades could probably use a picture of John taken during the time period. It would greatly improve the article, and since it would be in the album's specific context, it could be a copyrighted image. Grim (talk) 16:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say is the best, but   and  are decent. I'd use the first one because he's playing guitar and looks really stoned. It's probably the best bet, plus it's already a good size for the requirement of scaled down copyrighted images. Grim (talk) 18:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha, that's funny. You think that pic is almost too small? It'll look like shit if you enlarge it won't it? You're the expert though. Grim (talk) 00:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm. A screenshot of him performing it wouldn't be acceptable. You can't see evidence that he's performing it—eh? Do you really think that picture is too small for the article?—Maybe you could use a screenshot of the vpro interview, or find another pic of him tweaked. Grim (talk) 00:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If that works then it's perfect. Grim (talk) 00:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good—nice work. Grim (talk) 02:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Sure—I'll see what I can do. I liked your typo there by the way, "the end of the yeah". I'd also like to work on ''Smile from the Streets You Hold" sometime. That'd be awesome if we could get it on good shape. Grim (talk) 22:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha. Or you could say the typo with a Bostonian accent—that'd work too. I have limited access to my computer 'till the 6th, so I'll do what I can on Flea 'till then. Grim (talk) 22:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Awesome! I know I should archive it, but I have to say that I've grown quite fond of it. Grim (talk) 22:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's like the landmark funk rock album. It single-handedly brought the genre to the forefront. I don't think the band was even aware of the existence of alternative rock either. lol. We can hash it out on the talk page if you want. That's awesome that Niandra passed GA. We should move it to FAC soon. I'm giving it a light copyedit right now, and I'm looking at your addition that says he chose to split the album in the selvaggio reference. I don't see anything about the album in the selvaggio article. Either way, I think this sentence and reference should be removed. We need to say something about how Frusciante was persuaded by someone to combine the albums and release them together. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. Grim 16:36, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. It's like half the album is alternative (Under the Bridge, Breaking the Girl) and the other half is funk rock (Give it Away, Mellowship Slinky). Do you recall anyone mentioning in an article that the Niandra Lades and Usually Jusdt a T-Shirt were two completely different things but that they should be merged together to create a full album? Grim 17:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey bro. I noticed a significant problem with the BSSM article. In the B-sides section, there's no attribution of a single (the single the songs are on isn't mentioned). This is done on the other three album FAs. Since you set the other three up, I figured I'd let you handle it. Grim (talk) 00:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you noticed, but I nominated Flea for COTW and now it's an ongoing collaboration. Hopefully you can put in a bit of work, but if not—that's ok. Grim (talk) 21:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok fuck. That was an accident. I hate it when I do that shit—but I usually notice the mistake before moving on. Goddammit. Hahaha Grim (talk) 03:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't pay attention to people who reply on their own talk page. They deserve to be ignored actually. XYU is awesome. You should hear it acoustic...Anyway, I did respond on the Flea talk page if you haven't noticed. Grim (talk) 03:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're going through a Pumpkins phase, I'd suggest listening to Mashed Potatoes or Billy's Gravity Demos. Most "die hard" fans aren't even aware of their existence—let alone haven't heard it. Grim (talk) 04:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't pick a favorite. "Jackboot" on the gravity demos is good. So what's an Estrus ep cost nowadays? Grim (talk) 04:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

By the seat of my pants like I've been doing. Grim (talk) 00:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I gathered them through Google and an illegal downloading of a PDF version of Scar Tissue. I have to say—gathering sources is a bit of a pain in the ass; but it's easier than converting their ideas to prose. Grim (talk) 00:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha! I bet CD theft plummeted with the advent of illegal downloading. Grim (talk) 01:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm actually having some fun. I'm weird like that. Grim (talk) 22:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well personally, I think this dude needs to lay off the crackpipe. He made his contribution and needs to move on. I think I ripped him a new asshole though, so that should hopefully end it. Grim (talk) 22:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I probably could've been more tactful with my language, but I like coming off as something as a loose cannon. It's carefully calculated I assure you. I think most established wikipedians are a bit to uptight for their own good...And can't I wait until the thread reaches 100kb until I archive it? Haha! Grim (talk) 23:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This shit is hilarious. You've got to read the exchange on mine and the troll's talk pages. This is probably the most fun I've ever had on wikipedia. I might be gaining a bad reputation though, but who cares? Grim (talk) 06:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I might have some free time. It's sometimes hard for me to predict—but I'd like to work on it soon. Did you read that deranged tirade that I deleted from my talk page? I'm so glad that enraged lunatic finally pissed off. What a clusterfuck that was... Grim (talk) 22:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Tparameter is editing my comments to make me look like an ignorant jackass. What do I do? Grim (talk) 00:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This fucker's unbelievable. Doesn't he have anything better to do than try to piss people off?—I guess that answers itself. I think it'd be for the best that neither of us respond to him again. Let's do something constructive. How close to FA do you think Niandra Lades is? Grim (talk) 04:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it's plausible, but there's only one way to find out... Grim (talk) 21:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

God...FA? Where's this ambition coming from? Lol. I'm definitely up for getting it to GA, but I'll have to cross that next bridge when I get to it. Grim (talk) 05:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I don't mind copyediting. I'm probably going to be a bit busy this weekend, though I might have some time tomorrow. I'll do as much as I can. Get well soon. :D Grim (talk) 19:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Holy fuck, you've done a ton of work. That's insane. I'll go over it as soon as I get a change. Awesome job. Grim (talk) 01:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Before I can really copyedit this article, I need to know what we're going to refer to him as. The The Notorious B.I.G. article refers to him as "Biggie" throughout, so based on that I vote for calling him "Flea". There has to be consistency throughout though—that's paramount. Grim (talk) 19:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed you did it that way; but there's got to be continuity throughout. I think we should stick with "Flea". Word? Grim (talk) 21:21, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I copyedited the "Early life" section. Can you find any more info about his stepfather? I'm discontent with information being provided because it has the potential to be very insightful and engaging. We should elaborate on this as much as possible. Also, is there any more info out there about how he got his nickname? Who gave it to him, ect.? This needs to be expanded on as well. Let me know. Grim (talk) 21:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well put that info about the ski trip in there. Does the current ref support it? It would really be nice if we could get more info in the stepfather. Saying he often engaged in "shootouts with the police", isn't going to cut it. Grim (talk) 23:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Where are you getting the "shootouts with the police" reference from?—That source doesn't get into it any deeper than that? Grim (talk) 23:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess I can't explain it really because I don't have access to the book. I'd just like more info about it if possible. It seems like there's got to be some more info—but like I said, I don't have access to the book. Put a little more info about the nickname in there though—that would help a lot. Grim (talk) 04:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You're unbelievable. I'll go to work on it as soon as I can. Grim (talk) 20:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I didn't know that—that's interesting as hell. You've sold me. Grim (talk) 02:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hopefully I'll be able to wrap things up this weekend. I was wondering where you were... Grim (talk) 22:07, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hell yeah bitch! Grim (talk) 01:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we need to add something to the article about his acting career somewhere down the line. It's extremely significant. Grim (talk) 18:44, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it should probably be added to the biography section. I'd argue that Flea is way more of an actor than Kiedis though. He's acted in like quadruple the films. Grim (talk) 06:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I was using IMDB as a frame of reference actually. What about "Dani California"?—It isn't really that far from FA. It's kind of boring to work on though. "Under the Bridge" shouldn't be that hard either. When are you/we going to tackle Stadium Arcadium and Mother's Milk? I'd like to get get Niandra Lades to FA—or at least submit it and see what happens. I'm probably going to do something along those lines once we get Flea to GA. Grim (talk) 07:15, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Think you can get "Frusciante (2)" to 100kb before the end of the year? That's when I'm going to archive the page and I'd like that thread to be at 100. Grim (talk) 07:23, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Grim (talk) 14:01, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking about adding a screenshot of him in a movie. Maybe The Big Lebowski or something. That can come after GA though—what'd you think? Grim (talk) 18:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess I've finished my copyedit of Flea. The "1998-present" is still a bit of a mess though. It just seems like it needs a ton of info that isn't in there. Idfk what to do. Input? Grim (talk) 05:37, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know—it just seems like there's a dearth of info. I know there's a lot missing but I can't think of what it is right now though; I just woke up. I'm boycotting Christmas...Too capitalistic/materialistic/Jesus freakish... May you be merry in general though. Grim (talk) 14:53, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

You know what bothers me? Everything you just said. Grim (talk) 02:58, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say put it up for GAC right now and let's just see what happens. The musical style and acting crap can come later. Word? Grim (talk) 03:21, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey man, could me a favor by not responding to anything Tparameter says ever again. He's an anti-Wikipedia troll who has unlimited free time and a dearth of intelligence. He's repeatedly proven that he isn't worth his weight in human excrement, so the best thing to do now is just leave him be. Grim (talk) 21:04, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right. But I have difficulty wanting to spend time on a userpage when I could be spending that time working on an article or something. Grim (talk) 21:30, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well that was a clusterfuck. Grim (talk) 04:42, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. Should we start preparing for it now just in case the GA reviewer notices that something significant is missing? Grim (talk) 04:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I might be busy tomorrow. I'm not sure. If you want to start work on it, I'll join in as soon as I can. Grim (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You know how there's a place in John's infobox for the various "instruments" that he might play? I'm thinking of filling that section up. "Guitar, synthesizer, keyboards, mellotron" and anything else you can think of. What's your take on this? Is it necessary? Grim (talk) 03:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Does he really play the drums? Grim (talk) 04:46, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Try to list all the instruments he's played on recordings. Grim (talk) 15:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that there's a citation of IMDB (concerning Sunny Bebop) in Flea's article. IMDB is considered an unreliable source, as anyone can contribute to it. Since you're the citation man, could you look into replacing this citation with a more valid one? Grim (talk) 01:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there anything about Frusciante's Niandra Lades period in the Apter book? Grim (talk) 18:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * (Fist bump) Three cheers for Flea's GA... Grim (talk) 04:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Time to archive this again, eh?....&mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide 04:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * After you get a chance to add any relevant info from the Apter book to Niandra Lades, we'll take it to FAC. Grim (talk) 23:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep. It's no different than David Lovering. HAPPY UTC NEW YEAR!!! Grim (talk) 00:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Mountain Standard Time - SLC Pootah. Two hours behind your ass. Grim (talk) 00:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What the hell are you trying to get at here on OHM: "Sample of "Warped", the first single from the album; it incorporated prominent heavy metal riffs and among the darkles lyrics throughout the record." I can't decipher that typo. Sparkles, maybe? Fixing that can be your new year's resolution. Grim (talk) 08:17, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please post something on my talk page so it isn't naked anymore. Grim (talk) 18:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Whenever you want. I'd like to submit Niandra Lades for FAC very soon. If you could look through the Apter book for anything we could use that'd be awesome. Grim (talk) 22:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I knew this was coming because I heard (read) Wes mention it to you. I think RHCP a lot less fucked than Flea was. I haven't really read it closely though. It seems like there's a lot of info, and the sourcing respectable—considering. Lack of sources and info are the two things that discourage me from editing an article. I can rewrite and copyedit shit all day long. I really want to submit Niandra for FAC like pronto. Have you had a chance to look through the Apter book? Grim (talk) 00:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we've already proven the respectability of the RHCP wikiproject. It isn't the Slayer wikiproject, but it's up there in terms of decency. Yeah, I've seen SLC Punk. Not for a while though. I lived in Hawaii when I watched it actually, so it didn't strike as much of a chord as it probably would if I watched it now. I moved from Hawaii a year and a half ago after living there for 12 years. Grim (talk) 01:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Dazed and Confused is a pretty good show. Linklater has better though. That's what I love about these high school girls. I get older, they stay the same age... Anyway... I don't know if I'll want to chill after Flea—who can say. All I know is that I want to put Niandra up for FAC dammit! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grim-Gym (talk • contribs) 01:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops. Well someone's gotta keep the sinebot busy. Since you've seen all Linklater's movies, let me just say that Before Sunrise kicks Dazed and Confused's ass. :D Grim (talk) 04:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm moving, so I can't guarantee I'll be free much. I'll always be around to clean up after you, so anything you want to do—go for it. Grim (talk) 08:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope. Moving a mile. Grim (talk) 18:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * More than rap eh? There's some decent rap out there, you just have to be willing to find it. Some old school rap is is pretty good. I love istrumental hip hop. Like Galactic. Grim (talk) 05:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. It's mass produced worthlessness now. Capitalistic fucktards... There are a few acts out there that are doing good work—sporadically. Outkast, Gnarls Barkley... As a genre, it isn't the best though. It's really not much better than mainstream rock though. As a lesser-of-two-evils thing, I'd rather listen to 50 Cent than Panic! at the Disco. Electronica is cool because there's nothing mainstream about it. Yet. Grim (talk) 07:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's treating me well. I'm the zen master so this moving shit doesn't phase me. Are you still in NY? Grim (talk) 08:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't strike me as a pothead for some reason. Although Dazed and Confused is your favorite movie... I've never even tried it myself, though I am around that sort of thing quite a bit. I'm an ascetic. I've never tried alcohol or smoked anything in my life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grim-Gym (talk • contribs) 08:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ^Sinebot :(. I guess my selection of the word "pothead" was a little unbalanced. I suppose I'd have to know a person personally before I could really use that word to describe them. My favorite movie, if I had to choose, would have to be Pulp Fiction. I actually have a "Bad Motherfucker" wallet. Grim (talk) 08:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * How about looking through Apter for Niandra info? Go ahead and start adding info to Flea and I'll copyedit it and add what I need to add. Sound good? ...I was wondering where you were... Grim (talk) 21:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I want to give it a full copyedit before we put it up. I'm having difficulty finding time though. Hey, there are some decent references out there that describe Frusciante's Captain Beefheart influence. The reference needs to be attributed when it's added though. It could possibly be given it's own sentence as well. Thoughts? Grim (talk) 23:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Oops. That was an oversight, sorry. As for why I haven't been around—I can only get online at work as of now, which has limited my contributions to triviality. I'm working on getting internet at my new place, but it's not ready yet. The "movie/tv" section is a good idea. Go for it. Do as much as you feel up for with flea and I'll copyedit it when I have a chance. Again, sorry if you felt I was ignoring you. Grim (talk) 20:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Writing Frusciante actually kind of burned me out on mass content addition. Don't feel like I'm not "around" anymore. I'll be around at least in spirit until I get my internet hooked up. Grim (talk) 22:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey homey. My internet is still out of commission—I'm at work now. I really want to copyedit Niandra Lades so I can support it; and I'd love to copyedit Flea too, but I can't find the time—well internet time. You've really done a shitload with Flea. I can't wait for a chance to read it. I have a bit of bad news as far when I'll return goes. I'm leaving on Friday to go to Hawaii for two weeks. I'll have sporadic chances to get online there, but I can't guarantee anything significant. After that, I'll get my internet up and running and we'll be back to normal. Niandra Lades is my top priority now though, so I should get that done fairly soon, hopefully. Grim (talk) 21:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I love how you wikilinked Paris, like I might not know where that was...I'm just busting your balls. That should rock though. I've never been out of the country—though Hawaii often feels like it. Grim (talk) 21:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well Frusciante's an oddball. ;) I think saying that Smith believed it was haunted is enough. If you want to say that Frusciante adamantly agreed or add a line about that with the ref, go for it. The article can't however talk about the "poltergeists" like they're more than just speculation or an opinion. I'd limit this info down to a line or two max though, if you want to add something about it. Grim (talk) 22:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha! I work at a coffee roasting facility. I'm a coffee roaster. I'm often the only one back here, which is how I can get on the computer so often. Roasting is something of a specialized skill, and I always get my work done, so they're pretty laid back about me chilling on the computer once in a while anyways. I'd better get to work now though—thanks for the reminder. Amen to everything you said about Frusciante too. Grim (talk) 22:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Real. Didn't Britney Spears do that same shit at the MTV music awards back in the day? I'm going to finish copyediting Niandra soon and then I'll weigh in on its FAC. I can't find time for Flea though. It's kind of upsetting. Grim (talk) 15:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd love to be able to go chill at a library, but I'm leaving for Hawaii tomorrow morning. My parents have a computer (it's dial-up haha—they live in podunk) so I'll probably do some editing there. Flea is my top priority though. If I can't copyedit it soon then I'll just do it during the FAC I guess. I really want to though. Meh. Grim (talk) 16:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey dude. I'm in Hawaii right now; out in the middle of nowhere on dial-up. The dial-up is kind of frustrating, (it takes 4-5 mins for a simple page to download and open), so I probably won't be doing a whole lot 'till I get back. I was blown away when I saw that Niandra Lades passed its FAC. That took like 5 days—wtf? Either way, thanks for looking out. I'll go over Flea when I get a chance. I was thinking about replacing the Funky Monks screenshot with a picture of him in The Big Lebowski or something. He's not really acting in Funky Monks so the picture shouldn't really be there. Can you get a Big Lebowski screenshot? Also, I looked at the peer review, and I don't see any reason why he can't be called Flea throughout, but if anyone takes issue with it, go ahead and change it. I haven't read Frank Black in a while so I'd have to look at it again to see what CloudNine's talking about. See ya when I can, man. Grim (talk) 02:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey homey! You're in/going to Paris eh?—That's kickass. Although, it is somewhat ironic that as soon as I get back, you leave. I've been back since Saturday night, I haven't really been able to get to a computer much. I can at work obviously, which is where I am now, but I still haven't had a chance to get my internet hooked up at my new place. I'll probably get around to it sometime this week. It's good to be back—I can't wait to take a look at Flea, it looks mint. Grim (talk) 17:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey you fuckin' wikibreaker. Ya back from Paris yet? Tell me all about it. My boss yelled at me for wikipedia-ing during work (haha) so I've basically had to cut my "wikitime" down to nothing. I've been trying to hook my internet up at my place, but it's giving me shit. All in good time I guess. When will I copyedit Flea though?—meh... Hope ya had a good trip dude. Grim (talk) 20:22, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * My computer took a shit and I have to wipe the whole hard drive clean and reinstall windows and everything else in order to get online. I haven't really been very diligent about working on fixing it either, because as an ascetic, I kind of enjoy depriving myself of my computer. And, I really shouldn't be posting this, since I'm at work. With all that in mind, I will copyedit Flea one day. Congrats on that by the way—if I haven't said so already. I hope you aren't giving me any credit for it's FA status. Grim (talk) 22:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Joined a band and we've been gigging like crazy. Life turns on a dime like that I guess. Grim (talk) 20:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks man, you're a badass. So what's the deal with the old Johnnn.jpg picture that was up there forever? It was freely licensed wasn't it? Well we have to get a decent picture up there now because that sepia pic that doesn't even show his face sucks ass. Oh, and nice additions regarding the guitars he plays. Grim (talk) 20:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yo. You should check Flikr for some Frusciante pics. There are a shitload of good ones there, and I'm sure somebody would be willing to license one for the article. (Like this one maybe http://www.flickr.com/photos/kimb0lene/2169340014/). The band's going well, we're on a brief hiatus though. Everyone but me is a bit burned out from all that gigging. What about you? What's new? Aren't you in a band too? Grim (talk) 15:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You might not believe me, but I still don't have internet. It's been like 5 months. I'm moving in a week—out to Salt Lake finally. My life has exploded ever since I joined that band. I have like no free time now. Our singer is leaving for Nepal for 7 months on Saturday, so we're kind of changing/breaking up. I still don't know how much free time I'm going to have though. I would like to do some work on some articles, but I'll just have to play it by ear. The Cure came here a few days ago, but I didn't bother to see them. Haha! You must think I'm nuts. They were playing some huge commercial venue though—I don't do those anymore. That's cool though. But hey, if you're ever in Utah, let me know. Grim (talk) 14:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yo brother. My life has become such that I never have time to make anything more than sparse maintenance edits. I don't even have a computer anymore. Well, internet access. I've kind of renounced it. I would love to continue to make significant contributions to Wikipedia, but I have to keep it realistic on my list of priorities—for now at least. I'll be around though—just not doing anything major. Feel free to tap in anytime though. You're a good friend dude. Anytime you're in or passing through Utah seriously let me know. Grim (talk) 19:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry my promptness of response has faded away. I've had to move like three times in the past month. Transience is not really my thing, but it seems to be what I've become regardless. I've finally found a fairly solid place to live, but internet there is kind of far off. My laptop is a bit fucked too, which doesn't help at all. Plus I don't really give a shit; a trifecta that basically suggests that I won't have personal internet access for a long time. Changing the subject... A good half of John's albums are classified as "indie rock" (Curtains, Shadows Collide, The Will to Death to name a few), so that genre should remain up there. "Experimental" and "Avant-Garde" are basically interchangeable, except Avant-Garde is slightly more POV (it's French for "out in front", suggesting a visionary or "cutting edge" quality to it). I'm going to fix this. I hope you're cool with it. Take it easy bud. Grim (talk) 17:40, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, funny shit. Well done. You're talk page says you're traveling. Whereabouts? Grim (talk) 23:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Nirvana redirects
My advice would be to go through the AFD process; the people that would oppose such a move tend to revert the changes immediately anyway, and it's worth letting everybody contribute to such a discussion. CloudNine 12:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Sure
Seems like I'm the new delivery boy... heh. Yes, I'll do it :) Xihix 00:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

S.A. Sales
the source that you have write is updated at march when S.A. was over 6 million but not already at 7 millions like now. And i think that who wrote the phrase "This is likely because Stadium Arcadium was the highest selling album last year, with over 6 million copies sold" take that information from www.worldwidealbums.net that is the only one web-site that said that S.A. was the best seller of the 2006,for some other sites was High School Musical Soundtrack. Zagozagozago 07:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Again on sales
why u cite http://westvegas.com/red_hot_chili_peppers_videos.html as source?they only taken the data from previous version of wikipedia "rhcp's discography" page that i've wrote..infact are the same data .. and why if you take that source for Freaky Styley, you don't take it also for Stadium Arcadium (7,5m)?? Zagozagozago 00:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

FL Main page proposal
You either nominated a WP:FLC or closed such a nomination recently. As such, you are the type of editor whose opinion I am soliciting. We now have over 400 featured lists and seem to be promoting in excess of 30 per month of late (41 in August and 42 in September). When Today's featured article (TFA) started (2004-02-22), they only had about 200 featured articles and were barely promoting 20 new ones per month. I think the quality of featured lists is at least as good as the quality of featured articles was when they started appearing on the main page. Thus, I am ready to open debate on a proposal to institute a List of the Day on the main page with nominations starting November 1 2007, voting starting December 1 2007 and main page appearances starting January 1 2008. For brevity, the proposal page does not discuss the details of eventual main page content, but since the work has already been done, you should consider this proposal assuming the eventual content will resemble the current content at the featured content page. Such output would probably start at the bottom of the main page. The proposal page does not debate whether starting with weekly list main page entries would be better than daily entries. However, I suspect persons in favor of weekly lists are really voicing opinions against lists on the main page since neither TFA nor Picture of the day started as weekly endeavors, to the best of my knowledge. See the List of the Day proposal and comment at WP:LOTDP and its talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Good call!
"Dare I say it's even beautiful?" - You're more than welcome too, mate. I certainly think it is! Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 02:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

GAC
I'll take a look at it tommorow. (I consider myself a fairly independent editor when it comes to the Chili Peppers, as I don't know too much about them). Could you review The Teen Idles? You'd be disinterested with regards to that article. (By the way, I'm planning to review more GA articles, especially the music ones; I agree that the current process is way too sluggish). CloudNine 23:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed, it's three months since my last good article and six since my last featured one (excluding Pearl Jam of course). I'm getting back into expanding the Pixies articles though, so you should be seeing more featured articles from me. Cool; Minor Disturbance is probably next on my hardcore punk to-do list. CloudNine 23:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay, a busy day yesterday and an unreliable internet connection scuppered my plans. I've started writing some notes down and have a free afternoon today, so I should be able to finish the review then. CloudNine 07:30, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe I've addressed your comments on Joey Santiago. (There's one sentence you may be able to help with rephrasing.) Could you take another look at the article? Thanks for the review! CloudNine 18:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

RHCP article
I was at the library today looking through the back issues of Mojo and found a career-spanning Chili Peppers article from 2004. I read most of it, but I can go back next week and cite from it. Is there anything you want me to look for? WesleyDodds 08:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe it was June 2004, but I'm not entirely positive. I do know it was the cover story of the issue. WesleyDodds 11:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, I'm working this month on making Joy Division and FA. Can you or Grim-Gym provide any good Frusciante quotes about the band? WesleyDodds 11:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

FYI: I was looking through this Jane's Addiction bio I have right now; it's an oral biography, so it uses interviews from all sorts of people to create the narrative. I found this quote from John Frusciante:

"The night of Jane's Addiction's last California show was the first time I did heroin. I was so depressed after I quit the Chili Peppers and I had so many things going on in my mind that I couldn't resolve. The world just seemed like this ugly place. My whole perception of things was completely flipped around where everything that was once beautiful was now ugly. I couldn't get any enjoyment about being alive anymore. Being on heroin and cocaine all the time, I felt like myself again." (Mullen, Brendan. Whores: An Oral Biography of Perry Farrell and Jane's Addiction. Cambridge: Da Capo, 2005. ISBN 0-306-81347-5, p. 251-52) WesleyDodds 10:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Niandra
Hey. About this, do you know exactly how the album is split? It was previously noted that it isn't a double album. If it's a single disc, the sub-headings are inappropriate. If it's a double-side vinyl, "Side one/two" sub-headings should be used. --PEJL 08:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * What do you mean? --PEJL 21:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The musical artist templates were renamed just now, so it was probably a temporary glitch related to that. --PEJL 21:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

One Hot Minute
The Jane's Addiction bio covers Navarro's joining and departure from RHCP. Also includes quotes from Flea and Frusciante. The Guitar World article obviously talks a lot about what gear he used, but it also covers some song details, the differences between his bands, and his relationship with RHCP (in 1996, when the article was written). The standout part to me is when the interviewer asks him if he feels like a full-fledged member, and Navarro replies, "Sometimes I do. I feel like a full-fledged Chili Pepper right now because I have intruders in my house, and because it's what I do. Other days, I don't feel that way. Sometimes I wake up and wish I never was. But I think that's part of being me. Sometimes I don't know what I want. But all in all, I'm pretty happy to be doing what I'm doing." WesleyDodds 22:08, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've already got Tales of a Scorched Earth. There's a reason I haven't used it as a source in The Smashing Pumpkins (hint: it's not very good). WesleyDodds 22:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The main problem is the lack of annotations, or even mentioning in the text were facts and non-interview quotes come from. Additionally, the author can be very esoteric in her prose. The most useful parts are the chapters dealing with the band's early years and the discussion of Billy Corgan's major guitar influences, but that's more useful for one's own personal interest than for citing on Wikipedia. I bought my copy used, by the way. WesleyDodds 23:21, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "Tarantuala" was the only good song off of Zeitgeist. I finally downloaded "The End is the Beginning is the End" off of iTunes a few days ago and I'm thinking that that song was where they "jumped the shark", so to speak. Perfectly fine song, but a signpost for where they would go wrong later. WesleyDodds 23:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't mind the reformation that much; after all, I finally got to see them live, and they were good. What really disappoints me above all else is Billy Corgan's approach to songwriting since, oh, about MACHINA or so and through his solo album to now. Most of this songs sound like half-formed ideas and there's lots of repetition. Compare "Doomsday Clock" to some obscure earlier song like "Frail and Bedazzled". The latter song has tons of things going on melodically, great dynamics, and definite hooks. It sounds like the song is going somewhere. That was really his stength as a songwriter. Corgan's songs these days have lost that; they're more focused on mood and texture. Which is fine, but bands that succeed with mood and texture (The Cure and Nine Inch Nails, to name an influence and a contemporary) also generally have finely-crafted songs. The Cure's "Charlotte Sometimes" sticks in my head (and that song is effectively the sound of being lost in in a dense grey fog) but "Walking Shade" and "That's the Way (My Love Is)" don't. WesleyDodds 00:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with the here and now largely, but if I could go back in time I'd love to see Nirvana live, watch the Beatles come to America and play the Ed Sullivan show on TV, and buy some Husker Du albums the day they came out. WesleyDodds 02:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I've seen enough live videos by the group that I don't feel I need to see them in concert. Speaking of which, The Cure in Orange video amuses me because when they play "In Between Days" they put a camera on the guitar, so it looks exactly like the music video. I wanted to see New Order live at some point, but then they broke up on me. WesleyDodds 21:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The songs are great but keep in mind these people are in their 40s, and Robert Smith in particular could definitely stand to move around a bit. However, the bassist Simon Gallup does move around a lot; he's about the same age as Smith but looks half his age. Expect some of the longer dirges to show up in the setlist, but a couple of hits ("Just Like Heaven", "In Between Days") are bound to be sprinkled in. WesleyDodds 23:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's an idea of what to expect; WesleyDodds 00:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Already got it like a week or so ago. The Liam Gallagher interview was hilarious, as always. By the way, for how long will you be gone? WesleyDodds (talk) 22:54, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "GW: You said that you hate some songs on One Hot Minute
 * "NAVARRO: Let's just say that if I were listening to the CD, there are some songs that I would skip, such as "Tearjerker," "Walkabout" and perhaps "One Hot Minute," depending on how I felt at the time.
 * "GW: What do you dislike about those songs?
 * "NAVARRO: They don't really speak to me. I think that they could have been better. It's a little hard for me to listen to something that I know could've been better." (di Perna, Alan. "Red Hot & Bothered". Guitar World. March 1996.) WesleyDodds (talk) 23:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Image uploading and fair use
I'm a fairly new Wikipedian, I've just recently gotten into serious contributions for articles that I feel should be expanded, and so far I've gotten the gist down for anything text-based, but there's always a problem when uploading a copyrighted image and how fair use works. (I come to you because of your immense contributions to RHCP and RHCP-related articles, of course.) For the few copyrighted images I've uploaded in the past, I've basically just copy+pasted licensing and fair use policy from a similar image, but sooner or later I'll run into a problem. I was wondering if you could help me out with the fair use and licensing in some way. I read a couple articles on it, but it's confusing, for example, how only live photos taken by fans can only be used for the official image of a band. Any help and insight on this is appreciated, and I thank you for your time, man. Vanishdoom 01:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah that helps out quite a bit. So virtually "most" images can be used on Wikipedia, as long as a supportive fair use rationale is used? Such as, promo images taken from the official website and are given credit to. I would think it'd be that easy and also allowed, considering using them on Wikipedia would be the same as any other website would use them for reviews or encyclopedic information. Vanishdoom 22:34, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

LOTD proposal
You have nominated a recently successful WP:FL. There have been two recent proposals to begin a List of the Day feature on the main page, which have both received majorities but have not been approved as overwhelming support sufficient to change the main page. WP:LOTDP is a new proposal to try to get the ball rolling based on the original proposal. You can voice your thoughts on its talk page. Basically, what the proposal entails is attempting to run an official trial, and then vote after the trial run on whether to change the main page. Support to run a trial requires much less consensus than support to change the main page. Should we succeed at eventually getting such a feature on the main page it would tentatively look like this. Whether or not you support an experimental trial or not you should come discuss the matter at WP:LOTDP's talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music October 2007 Newsletter
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Featured List of the Day Experiment
There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 17:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Powderfinger
Hi NSR. You appear to be experienced when it comes to writing articles relating to music artists and albums, and I would really appreciate it if you would be able to give your input on what can be done to the Powderfinger article. I believe it's dangerously close to FA status, but before nominating it I'd prefer to receive more comments on what to do to it. If you can't, I understand. Thanks, Spebi  23:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

RE: Siamese Dream
I have Milk It!, which Wesley also owns, which has a section on Siamese Dream. I haven't really been heavily involved with editing the article though; I love the album but I'm having difficulty writing about it. --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 06:18, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I've addressed most of the concerns you brought up in your review of Spiderland with one exception: I can't think of an adequate substitute for the phrase "angular guitars," although I did remove it from the lead. If anything else needs fixing let me know. --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 06:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

By The Way Clips
I will do so as soon as possible. Do you mind telling me where the overdub starts? I think I know where, but I could be wrong. xihix (talk) 17:58, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Done! Here are the files:                                 xihix  (talk) 18:31, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

On an unrelated note...
I found this, and I looked through it, and it nicely verifies the sales of Californication on the fifth page, and shows the actual certifications of sales in many different countries. Thought it might be useful, probably isn't though. xihix (talk) 19:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Loveless (album)
It's still in the GA nominations queue, I hope to have it FAC-ready relatively soon. I plan to forgo Peer Review since I doubt it'll get much feedback, and Ceoil, Brandt Luke Zorn, and I are comfortable writing album articles. Given that, I'd value your opinion and suggestions about the article before FAC, particularly as a reader who has not been involved in the article as much as we. Feel free to give me feedback when you can if you can. Thanks. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

re. Niandra Lades and Usually Just a T-Shirt
For my old mate NSR? Nah... I'd love to! Would you like a GA review, or just general comments? I'll add general stuff to the talk page, tell me if you want GA critique too. Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 23:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have been GAC reviewing, but a bit slowly. Your article is at #29 in the queue, I have These Days (Powderfinger song) at #15 and Internationalist (album) at #22 in the same queue. Wink wink :P GA reviewing now. Dihydrogen Monoxide  ♫ 00:04, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Talk:Niandra_Lades_and_Usually_Just_a_T-Shirt. Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 00:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This is what I see - I can't see "A little message from John to the fans". Otherwise, looking OK...should be passed soon. Dihydrogen Monoxide  ♫ 00:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Meh...anyways, I'll go pass it now, and thanks for the (upcoming) review :) Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 01:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've addressed most of the issues for These Days (Powderfinger song). Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 02:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 23:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Newsletter
I don't see a difference in size. Compare at WikiProject Alternative music/Newsletter. At least, it looks fine to me. Could it be your browser? WesleyDodds 01:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem with the newsletter (which apparently there was one, if it's now fixed for you) was the quote. Curse that Thom Yorke. If you want to review Loveless go ahead, but I wouldn't dream of directly asking you to review it because I think GAC should be impartial as possible. So it's totally your choice. WesleyDodds 01:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Flea
Here's some sources I've found for the Flea article:,. I'm trying to find more. WesleyDodds (talk) 07:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I supposed the best source for his early life would be the Behind the Music episode. If you can insert all the basic information with sources, I can clean it up for you. By the way, I went to a magazine store yesterday and flipped through a new Kerrang Legends issue devoted to the Foo Fighters. It covers the band's history album by album and reprints some old articles. They had an order form for previous issue, and one of the ones available was dedicated to the Chili Peppers. I haven't gotten around to seeing if you can order it online yet. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, but it seemed to be pretty recent. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It was definitely post-Californication. Maybe it was a contemporary photo from the release of Stadium Arcadium. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I did a quick Google search. Apparently it's from 2004 at the latest. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I know you guys are busy with the Flea article, but I'm curious as to when you're going to tackle Red Hot Chili Peppers and bring it up to GA and FA-ness. It's one of the few major alt-rock band articles that's still neither GA or FA, and you guys have amassed tons of sources at this point having worked on the album pages and John Frusciante. I'd very much like to see what you guys could do with it. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:42, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Contact me when you two are done revamping the Flea article so I can go over it before you nominate it at GAC. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't touched Joy Division in a month, largely because I got sidetracked working on Loveless (album). The bio's complete, and just need to import the info from the userpage we're working on to the "Musical style" section, and expand and reference the "Legacy" section (I've got a couple of U2 quotes). What do you think of the article? WesleyDodds (talk) 04:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The reviewer put it on hold, I addressed most of the comments a few hours later, and then the reviewer decided it wasn't GA quailty after all, largely because he felt I hadn't used all the sources yet (the only major sources I haven't used yet are two books I couldn't find). All in the space of two days or so. Of course the comprehensiveness guideline is a FA guideline, not a GA guideline, and even now I doubt those books have anything not mentioned in all the other sources I've combed through, which include the biography written by Ian Curtis' wife and virtually every piece of press published while the band was together . . . WesleyDodds (talk) 04:13, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I already talked to the reviewer and settled it. I also wanted to get R.E.M. (band) to FA by the end of the month, but I haven't done major work on that since summer. Although in the case of that article, looking at it I realized that once I take care of the fixes suggested in the current Peer review, add details about the band's lyrics, and do some geneneral prose tweaking, it's pretty much done. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll get on it later tonight. One thing that should be mentioned is his arrest (along with Chad Smith) for some sort of sexual misconduct with a woman around 1990; the charges were later thrown out. Also, I put Joy Division up at FAC last night and it hasn't received any reviews yet, so if you could review it I would appreciate it. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've read about it a number of times, so I can't remember a specific mention. It might be mentioned in the Mojo article or the Behind the Music episode. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:38, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I've been combing through the article a bit and so far it looks really good. However, I honestly think it at times focuses more on the band as a whole than Flea specifically. Try and maintain focus in the article. The good news it you can shift some of that cited info to Red Hot Chili Peppers. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:37, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's one you guys missed: . It mentiones the assault allegation as well as gives some more background about his childhood. It's primarily a piece on One Hot Minute, so you can do some expanding there as well. Yeah, Trainspotting is great; so is the soundtrack. First time I ever heard Iggy Pop was in 1997 or so when I first saw the film on cable. It was awesome. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The goal is to get the R.E.M. article up and ready at FAC by the end of the night. I quite often blow my own deadlines, though. If you have any comments about the article let me know and I'll try to address them. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:01, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not really into the Chili Peppers (was going to get that greatest hit CD until I found out about the horrible mixing job, though) but like you said, I do want all the important alt-rock articles to be of high-quality. You and Grim-Gym definitely have enough experience at this point to fix up the RHCP page into a great article. Let me know Flea is coming along and if you need further help. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I'd appreciate any comments you wish to list at the R.E.M. FAC. There's only one proper review so far. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I live in California. I just stay up really late (for no good reason). WesleyDodds (talk) 06:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

You should probably make a "Flea filmography" article (see other actor pages) so there can be a place to list his roles comprehensively. Also, don't forget to mention his voice-over work. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Flea's role in My Own Private Idaho was more than a walk-on (he at least had some lines of dialogue) and is probably worth mentioning. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thinking: why don't you copy and paste the paragraph about "Under the Bridge" from ''Blood Sugar Sex Magik onto the song article (adjusting refs accordingly). It'd make that article look far better. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * My next projects are supposed to be In Utero and Definitely Maybe, both with Brandt Luke Zorn (this also explains why I brought up the topic of redirecting song pages now). I have been distracted right now by "Losing My Religion", which I'm working on for pretty much the same reason I worked on "Smells Like Teen Spirit". That is: it's such a popular and ubiquitous song, it deserves to have a well-written article. Although I prefer "Teen Spirit" as a song far more, and there's other R.E.M. songs I prefer much more than "Losing My Religion"; there just aren't as many sources as I thought there'd be. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually thinking about it, I think it'd be great if we got three key alternative songs from "The year punk broke" ("Teen Spirit", "Losing My Religion", and "Under the Bridge") to FA status. Throw in a Pearl Jam song and it'd be even better. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Compare these two lists (1, 2) and let me know if you want to collaborate on anything. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The Cure was supposed to be my FA project after The Smashing Pumpkins; I put it on hold mainly because I'm hoping to find more sources about their musical style. Help on In Utero would be appreciated; one of our big tasks is to junk and then completely rewrite the section about the prerelease controversy. I have enough sources to make any R.E.M. article a GA and possibly FA; I would work on Murmur but it doesn't grab me as much as some of their other album (my favorite by the way is Reckoning). Mellon Collie could be a GA right now if the lead is expanded and all the reviews available are worked in; I didn't get to that before the COTW ended. That cite tag I inserted needs to address, as well. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You know what would be a funny FA push? "Shiny Happy People". WesleyDodds (talk) 03:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey do you think you could add a screenshot of the video for "Losing My Religion"? I'm thinking one of the scenes where Michael Stipe in standing in front of a pair or wings. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you done a Peer Review for Flea? I have some comments about the article that I feel would be best inserted in a review. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a number of comments and I'd like to keep them organized for other editors (ie. Grim-Gym, who's busy, I know) to view. But trust me, I will reply to a Peer review, so it won't be worthless :) WesleyDodds (talk) 00:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll tackle it in a few hours. Dinner awaits. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * By the by, look at what I found on YouTube right now from 1992. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * According to 1992 MTV Video Music Awards, "Under the Bridge" was nominated for Video fo the Year that same year. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

That last sentence in the Influences section looks weird. Something looks like it's missing, especially since Jimmy Page and Eddie Van Halen aren't glam rock guitarists. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:02, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I have no specific issues with the article left, although I'll probably take another run through the prose to tweak it. I suggest asking for some feedback from WikiProject Biography members or some other editors to get their opinions on the article. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm holding off on a support to see if anyone else mentions my concern about the emphasis on the band compared to just Flea (and possibly ways to address that). Anyway, what's your next project going to be? WesleyDodds (talk) 04:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The Brown Bunny
Just curious - why would you delete all mention of the Brown Bunny soundtrack without correcting it to your liking? Seems strange for the JF article to have no mention of this soundtrack whatsoever. I only ask because you are clearly a wonderful contributor on this subject. Tparameter (talk) 17:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, just noticed your comment on my talk page. Anyway, let's talk on the JF talk page. Tparameter (talk) 17:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me, but after I was attacked - accused of smoking crack, and it was implied that I can't read or that I am illiterate - I am curious as to specifically why you directed your suggestion to me. I read WP:CIVIL, and I can't figure out how it applies, since I was the target of the attack. Please explain.Tparameter (talk) 00:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

If it will make you feel better, talk to an administrator, since you're threatening to. My responses are all replies to attacks, which of course is documented. Your comrade has at least four different *serious* infractions from WP:CIVIL against me, including a profanity-laced tirade on my talk page. Even on your talk page he admits, "I probably could've been more tactful with my language, but I like coming off as something as a loose cannon." That sounds like borderline troll-behavior to me. Later, his tone changed to kind of kidding around, or so it seemed to me - which is why I played along. But hey, if you think that I am the one starting fights, and you're so upset that you want to complain officially, then let's see how it plays out officially. I've got some time to kill over the Xmas break. Of course, it's also documented that you told him, "Personally, I love confrontation. It's in my nature for some reason (apparently we're alike in that manner, haha)." Oh yeah, it's obvious that you like confrontation, in that you openly admitted that you were beating a dead horse on what you considered a trivial issue, The Brown Bunny soundtrack. So, you like confrontation, according to your own words; and you started something, again according to your own words; then you accuse me of starting fights. Interesting. Sorry, but it sounds to me like you guys dish it out, but can't take it. What say you? Tparameter (talk) 03:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

WOW
Just wanted to say your doing a great job on Flea. To think I thought I made a big contribution. 04:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Internationalist (album)
Hey buddy mate (Gosh, I'm turning American!) - thanks for all your help on this FAC (and in general). I've tried to do some of the stuff you suggested, but I really suck at critically looking at my own work, so if you could look at this again, I'd uberly appreciate it. Cheers, &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide 06:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry to bug you, but could you please take a look at some stage...&mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide (Review) 00:15, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks heaps mate. I'm not that big a fan of peer review per se (slow etc.) but I'll try and put my future FACs up for one (are there any more specific PRs rather than just WP:PR?). Cheers, &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide (Review) 00:27, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Reply
Will do. xihix (talk) 04:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Happy new years to you, too :)   xihix  (talk) 23:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

David Lovering
I've now supplied a free image on David Lovering (thanks for motivating me to do so!). Could you perhaps consider your reassessment of the article? CloudNine (talk) 10:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

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Featured article candidates/Alice in Chains
Your oppose, was taken care of. Everything he addresed is done and over. Did you actually look? Anyway, I had a peer review for it, and three people commented, and told me it was ready, but another user reviewed it on here and has now supported. Please look at the article and re-evaluate your objection. Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 21:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I usually tell the editors reviewing that it is done on thier talk page. I feel stupid asking, but be stricken, do you mean you now support? If so would you mind adding Support to the page? By the way nice job on RHCP articles. No we ought get RHCP themselves to FA! Burningclean  <sub style="color: red;">&#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 22:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I would absolutly love to help. RHCP is one of the best bands on Earth. They will be making great music until they die. (kinda like the Stone :P). I seem to be getting pretty good with FA stuff. Would you review Chevelle and comment on Peer review/Chevelle? I would like to skip GA and go right to FA on this one. Burningclean  <sub style="color: red;">&#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 22:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello, would you mind re-commenting on Featured article candidates/Alice in Chains? The FAC discussion was not closed, but it was re-started by the FA director. Fell free not to, that would be fine by me. Thank you, &mdash; Burningclean <sub style="color: red;">&#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 22:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you take another look at the article? It has improved vastly. Also could you re-comment on the FAC? &mdash; Burningclean <sub style="color: red;">&#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 20:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please take another look. Skeletor2112 and I worked on it just this last day and I truley belive everything you wanted has been taken care of. &mdash; Burningclean <sub style="color: red;">&#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 01:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you been following progress? the article is up to 42KB and has a lot of offline sources. &mdash; Burningclean <sub style="color: red;">&#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 04:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

R.E.M. FAC
I've addressed most of your comments, and will finish up with the rest soon. Feel free to make further comments so I can further imporve the article. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The recent state of the band's popularity is indeed something to consider; I remember back right before Californication when they were completely written off and considered has-beens. A lot of things go into determining what fits Top Importance for the project. One factor I consider is if you took the topic out of the a history of the genre, would you be missing something vital? With the Chili Peppers, I don't really think so; same thing with The Smashing Pumpkins. In contrast, if you took out R.E.M., Pearl Jam, or even Oasis, you'd be missing something key. Another factor is there is a hierarchy I've set up, so if a band is High importance, their individual band members and albums are Mid importance, and individual songs (being subsets of albums) are Low importance. Of course, there are clear exceptions: Nevermind is Top importance along with Nirvana, and two Chili Peppers records were tagged as high importance, which I do agree with. Ultimately, if RHCP is moved up to Top importance, every single Chili Peppers article increases by importance by principle. Therefore, most of the band would become High importance articles, and more albums besides Blood Sugar Sex Magik and Californication would as well. The point of the importance rankings for the project after all are for self-reference, so we can pick out what is in more need of attention relative to other articles in the scope of the project. I'm still iffy on it; as I said before, if we were going to add more Top importance articles, RHCP seems like one of the most sensible ones. Hell, I'm still not too sure about The Cure; I like the Cure and all, and they were one of the most popular alt-rock bands pre-Nirvana and are the definitive goth band, but I really can't single out any of their albums as High importance aside from possibly Disintegration. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Personally I don't consider U2 an alternative rock band, as i elaborated on the project talk page. In fact the article wasn't tagged by me; additonally, it used to be High importance and then upped to Top. But in the interest of NPOV, there are a few sources that label U2 as alternative; not enough to outright label them as such, but it is common. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been tweaking the prose consistently every day, and last night another user gave the article a copyedit, in case you want to take another look at it. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't find any decent free images of the band. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, with The Smashing Pumpkins there were clear areas where we could justify a fair-use image. It's a bit harder for R.E.M., when all I want are images of "R.E.M. as a four piece" or "Michael Stipe when that dude had hair". Actually, if you could find a screenshot of R.E.M. at the 1991 MTV video Music awards for the "Campaigning and activism" (Michael Stipe was wearing a bunch of shirts with slogans; I believe I've seen a few shots on the MTV website) that would work well. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I was planning to work on it when I get home, actually. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Emit Remmus
Hi,

I recently added information to the Emit Remmus article. I noticed that you decided to have this page once again redirect to the Californication (album) article. I was curious as to the motivation behind removing the information I posted.

I do admit that the information I added was almost a stub at the time, but I was hoping people would expand upon the article. I also noticed that the only songs that have their own articles from the Californication album are singles. Do you not feel that information on the other songs is important? I believe that non-debatable (i.e. not song interpretation, etc.) information on any song should be shared amongst the public. I have actually had discussions with friends on where the title “Emit Remmus” comes from and finally thought I should share this knowledge with the masses, as I am sure many others have this question and many more others would like to expand upon this interesting RHCP song. Why should people be forced to read unreliable discussion forums for historical and technical information related to music when Wikipedia is an excellent vessel for this knowledge?

After reviewing your user page, please know that I do appreciate the work you have done regarding the musical information on Wikipedia. It is vast and often in-depth and I enjoy learning from it. I appreciate your response in the matter as to why some songs or any other musical topics for that matter do not deserve their own attention.

Thank you,

James —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.234.254.24 (talk) 20:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Trimming reviews
Hey NSR77, how are you? I'm just curious about something: why exactly would you cut most of the professional reviews of an album? And, most important, what's your criterion when choosing which reviews should stay on the page and which should go? Thank you.

--Jlpspinto (talk) 15:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Noel Gallagher
I have noticed it's up at GAC. I've done my best to cite it in the past, but there's some parts that I'm quite sure are factual yet I have no access to the sources used (old issues of magazines some editor in England read and so forth). As for the feuds section, you might want to bring that up at the talk page. Noel Gallagher is well-known for making blunt statements in the press, but I agree that the section should be trimmed down. WesleyDodds (talk) 07:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help
Thanks for helping out and copy editing The Residents. Ridernyc (talk) 23:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I plan on adding alot more info and expanding everything. Also trying to figure out a good way to lay out the info. I know The Residents like everything covered by eras. But I think I may have to it more chronological. Ridernyc (talk) 23:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Various image deletions
...or you could have just asked me to undelete them and I would have. I delete around 10,000 images a week and it's completely unfeasible to find and notify relevant WikiProjects while putting the backlog on hold. <small style="background:#fff;border:#191970 1px solid;color:#000;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px;white-space:nowrap">east<big style="color:#090">. 718 at 20:51, January 20, 2008

Flea (musician)
Doing so now. Hopefully I'll give it a good review. By the way, if you have trouble with deleted images, let me know; I can restore deleted images so you can provide a rationale. CloudNine (talk) 23:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey. Could you perhaps provide some inspiration for the Music section of Minor Disturbance? I don't have the album to hand at the moment, but it would be nice to expand the section and finish the article. CloudNine (talk) 17:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: U2
I have to say that I'm disappointed that U2 has been promoted to FA so quickly. Not that it's a bad article; really a week of work could fix everything. It's just that there are still some problems: unformatted links, dodgy references in some places, and sections (Influences, Cmapigning and Activism) that need work on the prose. And I was actually about to start leaving comments at the FAC today. . . WesleyDodds (talk) 04:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, having done some work on comi book articles I understand the strength of merging pages there there is insufficient notability. The whole point of "Be bold" is to cut through the crap and get things done and improve articles without getting tied up by bureaucracy. Funny how this only seems to be a problem with Nirvana songs. Also, Radiohead was another FAC promoted before I had a chance to comment; at least on that one I only had one or two concerns left and I had been able to copyedit the article numerous times. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Go ahead. While I personally agree that U2 isn't an alternative rock band, I am willing to play devil's advocate on the subject given some of my research. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Niandra
I just wanted to tell you that I found three in real life articles that mention the album, two from 1994 and one from 1995, using this huge database I found recently. If you're interested in them or the database, tell me. xihix (talk) 01:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Here, I'll email you what I just emailed Wesley to access the database. I'm sure you'll like it.   xihix  (talk) 01:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Articles
Dear NSR77: I assume you have read the licence under GFDL of your contributions and I suppose you are aware of what have you exposed yourself to. The only motivation to translate this article into wikipedia in spanish was to provide the spanish speakers the right to read your fantasticaly written article. If you wish so, I could add a small note on the talk page of the article pointing out this translation fact. Greetings. Ale flashero (talk) 05:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Across the Great Divide tour
This FLC isn't supposed to be live, as I haven't yet transcluded it into the candidates page. I'm getting it ready. I have a fair bit of work to do on the page before I intend trancluding it. Could you remove or strike your comments based on this? Thanks. -- rm 'w a vu  10:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

RHCP
Hey NSR; out of curiosity, is there anything major holding this back from GA? dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 08:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Other than Stadium Arcadium sourcing and a ref for the "Sir Sexy Pshyco" thing, that is. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 09:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds fun (poor choice of word?) I don't have access to any RHCP books, so I'll let you do that, but I'll keep an eye out on www sourceable stuff, etc. "But I'm glad to have you aboard!" - Indeed, much better than arguing at FAC ;) dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 00:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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Radioheaaaaad
The short answer is that Radiohead have basically become the flagship band of alternative rock during the 2000s. Mind you, I, like you, don't much care for Radiohead, but I've read enough press that establishes Radiohead is Very Important Indeed. To be somewhat harsh, their importance is that they are an Important Band, much like U2 was in the 1980s; that is, most of the discussion about them is about how Important they are and how their music will "change your life" and those whose lives aren't changed by their utter genius "don't get it". WesleyDodds (talk) 02:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Suffice it to say I've also been around quite a few people who've expressed the opinions above that I described. A few have expressed genuine outrage that I thought In Rainbows was merely ok. I'm not kidding. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Correction: Radiohead had a huge international hit with "Creep". Other songs like "Street Spiri", "Paranoid android", and "Karma Police" have done particularly well in the UK. But yes, when it comes down to it Radiohead is the ultimate critics' band. At least I can imagine someone's grandparents or your average jock singing an R.E.M. song. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually it is. Rock singles, particularly alternative rock singles, don't do very well on the Hot 100. For fun I once made a listing of all the Top 40 alt-rock songs up to 1995. I think 1993 had like six or seven. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was suprised when I learned "Under the Bridge" peaked so high. 1992 had more Top 40 alt-rock singles than 1993, oddly enough. There was "Under the Bridge", "Teen Spirit" and "Come as You Are", The Cure's "Friday I'm in Love", some Toad the Wet Sprocket songs, and R.E.M.'s "Drive", plus some I forget. 1993 had two other Automatic for the People singles ("Man on the Moon" and "Everybody Hurts"), Soul Asylum's "Runaway Train", Blind Melon's "No Rain", New Order's "Regret", and Radiohead with "Creep". Oh, and "Soul to Squeeze". WesleyDodds (talk) 03:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You actually get the most alt-rock chart hits in 94/95/96, although recent years have been kind. Bonus trivia: R.E.M. has the most American Top 40 hits of any alternative band, with nine ("The One I Love", "Stand", "Losing My Religion", "Shiny Happy People", "Drive", "Man on the Moon", "Everybody Hurts", "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?", and "Bang and Blame"). Unless you count U2. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:25, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The history of the Modern Rock chart is so bizarre. Go and look through the Wiki lists for songs that reached number one up to about 1993. It's somewhat surreal; many of those songs have been forgotten. Compare it to the Modern Rock numbers ones in the last few years, where it seems the top slot is reserved for veteran acts (Chili Peppers, Foo Fighters, Green Day, etc.) WesleyDodds (talk) 04:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I only own three Cure albums: Boys Don't Cry, Pornography, and Disintegration, plus the 2001 greatest hits CD. The compilation is my favorite, because The Cure at their peak were an excellent singles band. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:22, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The artists I own the most releases for are Green Day, Smashing Pumpkins, and Nirvana. Husker Du, R.E.M., and U2 are the next closest, but that only constitutes five Husker Du albums, four albums and two compilations for R.E.M., and five albums, a compilation, and a reissue of one of the albums I already own for U2. I used to be really picky about album purchases (since I didn't have too much money) and would only buy albums I was absolutely sure would be great. In the past few years I've become more attracted to buying comps, particularly for bands I really like as singles artists. Much of my like of The Cure and Depeche Mode comes from some very terrific singles collections. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:34, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I have access to an extensive library. WesleyDodds (talk) 07:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * So I just stayed up until five AM learning how to play "Rocket" on my guitar. Yeah . . . WesleyDodds (talk) 13:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It was relatively easy to learn, partly because I had messed with the main riff years ago. I haven't bothered with the solo-y bits, and the end riff (right after "consume me") that Corgan admitted he ripped off from "We Will Rock You", because it's transcribed wrong in the book I have. One of the fun things about the Siamese Dream tab book was it had an extensive introduction where Guitar World interviewed Corgan, and he explained how he wrote and played the songs, with tabs included for certain parts. And then you'd read through the main contents of the book and find they transcribed it differently. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:31, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I looked at my list again and I was mistaken; there were more Top 40 alt-rock hits in 1993 than in 1992. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:52, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Nirvana
Back when the Nirvana article was a COTW (in like September I think) I started working out a "Musical style" section on a userpage, but never finished it. Would you like to help out with it? WesleyDodds (talk) 06:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Flea looks fine. Honestly, I was assuming it'd end up being longer than John Frusciante (since he's the member of the band the general public would most immediately recognize). I still think there's a bit more focus on times on "the Chili Peppers, with Flea as a member" rather than Flea himself primarily, but that could probably be rectified by another copyedit. By the way, here's the musical style section on my user page. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:46, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Weird discussion I'm having with an editor who came over from the French wiki. They redirected the alternative rock article over there to the indie rock one. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and Ceoil is demanding I take "Just Like Heaven" to FAC, like, nowsville. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Already quoted Mad Bob (second newsletter; look it up). Next quote is going to be one of my favorite, just because it really sums up a lot about this particular artist and his band, in a very hilarious way. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll just tell you outright: it's a quote from Noel Gallagher. When we first started the newsletter, I toyed with the idea of quoting Liam Gallagher every month. Those guys says tons of hilariously stupid things. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I like the first two albums because there are decent songs there. Wouldn't call myself an Oasis "fan", but they do make great interviews. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

frusciante
Hey, why did you remove that info I put in on John Frusciante? It's all true, and straight out of his mouth...Father McKenzie (talk) 03:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

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Ext link checker
NSR, would you mind terribly leaving the external link checker at the top of the FAC? That's where I look for the link so I can doublecheck before promotion; if it's not there, looking for it elsewhere causes me lost time. Thanks, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 18:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for understanding. There are a lot of items I check before closing (significant contributors per stats, external links, whether I have to move something at WP:FFA and if it's already been on mainpage, etc.), so consistency helps me save time.  Regards, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 19:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * My note was about logical punctuation, and I don't trust myself firmly on that score :-) I saw some that seemed wrong.  Maybe you can ping  and ask him to have a look, and he can doublecheck my concerns; I could be wrong, since I'm not the grammarian that he is, and others are.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

The occasion
In addition to my current projects, I think I'll try and see how far I can take Bauhaus (band). As for moments of existential Wiki doubt: if you leave, there's no changing the fact that when you do a Google search on any random topic, the wiki page is usually the second result. Millions of people will be reading this no matter what, so might as well take the lead and make it decent. At least that's what generally keeps me going (that, and I love to research and write, and the modular nature of wikis pleases me to no end). WesleyDodds (talk) 05:10, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ceoil's suggested it before. This is a hobby for me, and I plan to work here indefinitely. That's also why I don't ever want to become an admin. I'm here to research and contribute; getting invovle din the ntus and bolts of Wikipedia would detract from that and might make things less fun. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * On another topic, Synth rock was restored after I PROD'ed it. I honestly get the feeling that when people create pages like this they are operating under the logic that adding the word "rock" to the end of an instrument or genre thus automatically makes it a style of music, regardless if it actually is. You can bet I'm taking this to AfD. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My favorite so far is "artcore", which I PROD'ed last week and was deleted. It barely talked about music at all. Oh yeah, there was also "folkcore", which listed Dinosaur Jr, of all bands. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I see you listed Disintegration as a current project. I gots the sources, most def. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

FYI: Red Hot Chili Peppers has been listed at the Good Article nominations WesleyDodds (talk) 01:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

FAC
Can you revist This Charming Man please. I cut all the blog stuff, and beefed it up a little. Thanks. Ceoil (talk) 15:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've cut substantial amounts, and regigged a fair bit. At the risk of pushing my luck; can you take another look. Thanks. Ceoil (talk) 01:13, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

NSR, I think you have a double "vote" at Featured article candidates/This Charming Man; can you adjust? Thanks, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 22:20, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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Callifornication
You seem to be very protective over any criticism over the sound quality of that album, if I put stuff about it in there because I think is a great album thats been ruined, maybe my ears are just a lot more sensitive, I would suggest that you download the unmastered bootleg to find out for yourself whether or not you can hear the difference <font color=#Blue>AJUK  <font color=#008800>Talk!! 23:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Frusciante Pic
A shame that the old pic was deleted, but we really need to find something better to replace the current image. Dude's hair is covering his face. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You've been slightly more active in the last few days. That's nice to see. WesleyDodds (talk) 07:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm clueless regarding media files, so can't help you. Ceoil might be able to help. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Since you mention the Weird Al parody in "Under the Bridge", you might want to mention the band's dissatisfaction with it. I believe Flea once said he didn't like it because he felt it trivialized a very personal song. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:58, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I can do a full copyedit on Monday. But looks good so far. Don't feel like you have to follow the layout of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" too closely; that song has had so much written about it it can support all those detailed subsections. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The key to the success to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was that when I first started working on it, my thought was, "This is one of the most important rock songs of all time. There's no reason the article should be crap." That motivated me to work hard on it; the process also resulted in me discovering a lot of research resources, particularly the New York Times website. I remember right before I brought it to FAC Ceoil pestered me repeatedly to just nominate it, but I was still consumed with tweaking the prose. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:51, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I can help you. I have the Apter book as well, but my secret weapon is the NME Originals: Goth issue, which reprints articles and reviews from the late 1970s to 1992, mainly focused on The Cure. Robert Smith had a lot of fun just messing with his interviewers. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I though of it too. It's directly the result of many of the project's most active contributors (specifically me, you, CloudNine, Brandt Luke Zorn, Grim-Gym) being extremely busy with non-Wiki stuff in the last two months. My period of busy-ness pretty much ends today, so expect to see a flurry of activity from me in the coming week. I'm going to try and get some articles to GA first, and then ascertain what I can get to FA-quality. As well as help you with Disintegration. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * CloudNine has told me he's been busy with college. He stil edits every few days, usually reverting vandalism. The one I have no idea what happened to him is Brandt Luke Zorn, which is unfortunate because we were working on two projects together. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I just finished watching the "Under the Bridge" video on VH1 Classic. Near the end I was wondering, "Does Chad Smith appear in this video at all?" Not soon after he showed up. WesleyDodds (talk) 07:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You should check to see if "Under the Bridge" charted on any of the lists I cited for "Smells Like Teen Spirit". WesleyDodds (talk) 21:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, Year Zero failed FAC again, so no alt-rock FAs this month. Let's try and make up for this in May. "Under the Bridge" looks like it could be an FA by the end of the month, and I might be able to take Chronic Town to FAC if I can find a few more references. Work on Distintegration might carry over into June so I can trawl through some fansite article reprints. I need to track down some reviews for Diorama for Dihydrogen Minoxide like I promised so he can take it to FAC. Any other articles you think might be close to FA status? WesleyDodds (talk) 03:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I know you don't like Pearl Jam, but due to the extensive work performed by -5- (who isn't even a member of the project) virtually every major Pearl Jam article is close to GA grade. A lot of the work that needs to be done is standarization of citations, removing links to articles reproduced on fansites and some prose work. For example, I worked on Vitalogy for a week after he had done most of the heavy lifting, and it's now a GA. I'm thinking of trying to round up people to push Pearl Jam articles to GA status en masse. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll follow your lead on Disintegration. I'm going to make some dinner right now, so if you want to start working, I can follow on that in like an hour or two. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Just Like Heaven", without question. I also really like "A Forest", "Jumping Someone Else's Train", "Why Can't I Be You?", and "High". WesleyDodds (talk) 20:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure how much you like the song, but I figure since you're working in the general vicinity right now, you might as well spruce up "Give It Away" a bit. That song and video match so well. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:15, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Is it November yet?
You said here that I should wait until November...

It's now April next year. Any plans?

Oh, and did you still need my Audacity access? Forgot to leave a note here as well as on my talk... dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 01:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (I'll try to remember to reply here...) OK, looking forward to email.
 * Apparently adminship is no big deal, or so they tell me. Yeah right ;) And the recent trend is more acknowledgement of the need for content people (although there are a still number who will oppose for "not enough AIV" is you so much as mention it in Q1). But I see you as someone who'd rarely use the tools, just for cleaning up what you come across, sprotecting against vandalism etc.
 * Whaddyasay? dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 01:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Promise to get off your back in exchange for a final pre-FAC touch up/peer review. :) dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 01:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "My Friends" is the best RHCP song I've heard all day. Does this reflect on my playlist at all? dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 02:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Screw dat, "Under the Bridge" is playing. Can't wait for its FAC. It's beautiful (the article and the song). dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 02:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied to email. "Under the Bridge" reminds me of "Surviving" by the Finger...hence awesomeness. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 02:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Long of the short; no luck. I can't do anything with that file format; I need MP3 if you've got it, or any other formats that work with Audacity - m4a doesn't. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 02:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you like Muse and/or Coldplay? Been feeling like doing something non Australian for a while (other than random RHCP copyediting)... dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 02:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm...I've heard you like Oasis, though? dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 02:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC) Bah, someone else will RfA nom you one day, I'll take my chances...

Image:RHCP-UnderTheBridgeLiveHydePark-31s.ogg. And yes, totally joking :D Was expecting even more backlash at mentioning the Gallaghers on this talk page...thankfully survived. Enjoy. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 03:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC) You'll be glad to know I didn't resort to limewire to find an Under the Bridge MP3 ;)
 * Man, I need to get a fully copy of Internationalist first. Listened to it in full yesterday...like, 5 times. Person whose iPod I borrowed was NOT pleased! dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 03:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, btw, Audacity is free software, if you want to download it yourself for future use. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 03:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

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It's growing dark
I'm holding you to that declaration of aiming to start work on Disintegration this weekend. -stands at the ready with Melody Maker album review in hand- WesleyDodds (talk) 07:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * C'mmmmmmmmmmmmon, maaaaaaaaaaaaan. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Tickets go on sale to see them in SF on Sunday, but after the motionless Jesus and Mary Chain show I went to in October, I'm kind of wary. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Dude, go to allmusic.com right now and check out their Album of the Day on the front page. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Under the Bridge
... is a good article. Though I'm sure you already knew that :) -- <font face="verdana" color="hotpink">Naerii 19:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Good work! WesleyDodds (talk) 21:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * February-ish. I figured you hadn't noticed me :( -- <font face="verdana" color="hotpink">Naerii 00:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...was just trying to think of a good lyric to describe the article. But that doesn't work; it being an awesome article, vs. a depressing song. But yeah, kudos. Going for FAC? dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 05:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll reply here then ;) I'm working on passing my A Levels at the moment, so not so much article work, but when I'm back where I can waste time without feeling guilty I'm going to work on Okkervil River and maybe Jens Lekman and Sufjan Stevens. I'm afraid to say my tastes have turned more to the indie pop genre :P I'd be happy to help out reviewing any Chili articles you feel like I might be even a tiny bit of help on, if you like. There's not that many more albums to go, is there? Let me know when you do Stadium Arcadium, I love it in all of it's radio-friendly goodness :D <font face="verdana" color="#CC0099">naerii - <font face="verdana" color="#CC0099">talk  14:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I completely can't relate to the thought of being born in the wrong time; my tastes go with the zeitgeist :P When you get those last few articles up to GA/FA you should nominate them at featured topics. It'd make a really neat set: The discography list could be the main article, and then all the albums could be the sub-articles :) And more importantly... when are you going to give in and run for admin? I remember asking you months and months and months ago. My attempt failed rather humourously - won't you cheer me up by giving in and running? *puppy dog eyes* I know you won't use it much, but I'd like to be able to say "this is the kind of guy we trust around here" (not to anyone in particular, mind you, just sort of.. in my head) - we need more non-drama-laden admins to balance out the hysterical drama queens we have around here. <font face="verdana" color="#CC0099">naerii - <font face="verdana" color="#CC0099">talk  14:51, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * How did I know you'd say no ...? Anyhow, I'm going to request that Californication be on the front page on June 8 (the release date), just as soon as one of the other requests on the page disappears (apparently there can only be max 5 at a time at Today's featured article/requests). See what I think should be the blurb at my sandbox :) <font face="verdana" color="#CC0099">naerii - <font face="verdana" color="#CC0099">talk  02:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Bah, I was too late - by the time a spot on the suggestion list came up an article for June 8 had already been assigned. Maybe next year! <font face="verdana" color="#CC0099">naerii - <font face="verdana" color="#CC0099">talk  18:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Two comments: cut down on the talk about "Give it Away", and possibly mention in the lyrics section that Kiedis discusses the meaning of the song specifically in his autobigraphy. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I bring up mentioning the autobiography because unlike the other sources in the article, it's a primary source. Kiedis wrote a chapter himself on what the song is about published under his name, and since that's a major source for the section I think it would be prudent from a reference standpoint to say, "Kiedis wrote in his autobiography Scar Tissue . . ." WesleyDodds (talk) 23:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Platinum certification is mentioned in the lead, but not in the prose. WesleyDodds (talk) 07:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

If you leave, I won't copyedit the rest of the article *holds breath for a really long time and pouts* I'll do some more work either tonight or tomorrow. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I was worried for a bit that I'd have to find people to watchlist all your articles. I saw the ad for the concert on Fuse; they called The Cure "the fathers of indie rock". That was silly. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

It'll take Gimmebot a bit to update, but guess what just got promoted to FA status? WesleyDodds (talk) 05:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * We both have the Apter book, and I have the Melody Maker review. Let's do it! WesleyDodds (talk) 06:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, as long as it's hilarious. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:30, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Chili Peppers
You're welcome! Always glad to help. :) Tooga - BØRK! 13:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Edit warring at Flea article.
Please stop repeatedly reverting to your preferred version of the article Flea (musician). If you continue to do so, you may be blocked for disruption and edit warring. --Jayron32. talk . contribs 00:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

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blah
Not surprised. Any particular reason? giggy (O) 01:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Disintegration
I won't be able to add much to the prose tonight, given work. I'll be able to start in earnest tomorrow night. Until then I'll be doing the occasional prose fixes. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I can do some work on it tonight if you can lend a hand over at MTV Unplugged in New York. I was thinking it would be great to have it as a TFA for the 15th anniversary of the performance. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:00, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Need help with reception and charts, as well as working this in. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A short sentence like that is fine. Not too much left to add to the performance section. But a second set of eyes is greatly appreciated. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Vs. and Vitalogy are better, if less consistent. If that makes any sense. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll give you a hint: "Scream at the make-believe/Scream at the sky . . ." WesleyDodds (talk) 21:33, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely need a Music section; the thesis is "The songs are all really long and very depressing". Not sure how much detail is available for a Legacy section, or if a Tour section is necessary. It probably is necessary to include Smith's comments that he thought it would be the last Cure album (although he also admitted he says that after every album). WesleyDodds (talk) 22:49, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll do some copy editing soon. The contemporary reviews should be separated from the latter-day reviews. As for the picture on my talk page, it's a wombat on a harness. That's all you need to know. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Will do some work when I get home. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I actually just think it's really cute. But what's interesting is how that picture utterly baffles people. I used to have it on my desktop at work, and visitors would always ask "What is that?". It just seems to confound people so and have them doubt the fundamental nature of the universe, and that just makes it more appealing. It's glorious that way. It's like "The Rite of Spring" in picture form, which is endlessly amusing because it's just a wombat in a harness. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I figure at some point we should fix up Bleach. I just don't like that album very much. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind is nearly at GA status; I'm mainly waiting on Indopug to go through and cite all the chart positions. I think I might have to remind him, come to think of it. FA will take longer, though, but at least the recording section is complete. All the song article should be worked on, though (which is why I did all that work on "In Bloom", but I discovered it was hard to focus on more than one song at a time). WesleyDodds (talk) 23:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No particular order: "Smells Like Teen Spirit", "Sliver", "Heart-Shaped Box", "Drain You", "Lithium". There are other worth mentioning, like "Very Ape" (very good for what is essentialy filler), "Breed", "Been a Son", "Even in His Youth" and "Aneurysm", and the covers of "Molly's Lips" and "D-7" (one of the band's best recordings). I don't like "In Bloom" much either, but I knew why from the first time I listened to it: the production gives the intro chord progression this lame metallic sheen. It does redeem itself a bit when it gets to the chorus. I like "Come As You Are" less and less as time goes on, mainly due to the guitar effects. "Dumb" is pretty dull. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I can listen to Nevermind and In Utero all the way through (in fact, that's how I often listen to them). However, Nevermind drags a bit in the second half ("Drain You" excepted), "Territorial Pissings" is the worst song on the album and one I actively dislike, and I often don't listen to "Endless, Nameless". In Utero is a better album listening experience; the weakest track is "Milk It", but at least the main riff in the song is pretty good and keeps things going until you get to "Pennyroyal Tea". WesleyDodds (talk) 23:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

One Hot Minute
Hello, I noticed that you removed the ARIA number-one album box from the One Hot Minute article. The edit summary stated that the box was unnecessary. However, I feel that this box is beneficial to the article, because it is part of an effort to link Australian number-one albums chronologically, and it also lists the dates that One Hot Minute was a number-one album.--Classicrockfan42 (talk) 16:06, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response. However, I disagree with your assertion that these boxes are useless. I think that the addition of the dates that a number-one album was at the top spot qualifies as giving the article useful information, and I also feel that if information will help an article on the whole, it should stay on the page.--Classicrockfan42 (talk) 18:59, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Haaaaaaaaaaaaahahah
I didn't realise anyone actually read my userpage :P Naerii 02:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * An overseas, 5000 mile away, never met face-to-face, doesn't read my userpage kind of friend? Forgive me, it's almost 4AM here and I'm far too tired to be witty. I shall instead distract you by telling you that I recently purchased an American Stratocaster (the 'deluxe' kind) with the intent of teaching myself how to play, only to realise that it is extremely difficult to play a normal guitar when you are left handed! Woe is me. Naerii 02:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The really hard part is that I'm trying to play lefty on a righty :) I sorta fancied myself as the next Matt Bellamy.. and didn't actually bother finding out if this was doable. Anywho, I'm only up because I have a client in "America" who wants to chat over Skype about some stuff... this whole working for people in another timezone thing is a bitch. Naerii 03:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

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Flea
You are incorrect about Australian citizenship law (I don't see the need for quotation marks). Read: http://www.citizenship.gov.au/automatic-citizenship/citz-by-birth.htm#a

Quote: "I was born in Australia. Am I an Australian citizen? Whether you are an Australian citizen by birth depends on the date of your birth.

<B>People born in Australia on or after 20 August 1986</B> become Australian citizens by birth if at least one parent is an Australian citizen or a permanent resident at the time of the person’s birth.

A child born in Australia to parents who are not permanent residents or Australian citizens acquires Australian citizenship automatically on his or her 10th birthday provided the child is ordinarily resident in Australia. Children born in Australia to foreign diplomats do not acquire Australian citizenship.

<B>People born in Australia before 20 August 1986</B> became Australian citizens by birth unless one parent was entitled to diplomatic privileges and immunities or was a consular officer of a foreign country."

As Flea was born <B>born in Australia before 20 August 1986</B> he is/was an Australian citizen. I would settle for proof that he is now an American citizen but none has been provided.

Californication (album)
Hi, why was Pitchfork removed but not Entertainment Weekly? Spellcast (talk) 08:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Adding reviews isn't determined by how "notable" they are. WP:ALBUM, which lists Pitchfork as a pro review, says up to ten is fine. The other infobox publications are also discussed, but it's not a reason to remove them. Five reviews is not a lot. I can bring this up at WT:ALBUM, but I don't think there'll be objection to its removal. Spellcast (talk) 21:41, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I respect the work you've done, but I just don't see a compelling reason to remove a publication that's probably one of, if not the most successful, online-based review site. Spellcast (talk) 22:15, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I should've done this earlier, but you can comment at WT:ALBUM. Spellcast (talk) 14:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Run-Away GA review
Hi mate, thanks for your work reviewing the article. I've removed the unsourced statement in the first para about the single reaching #120 in the charts - as far as I can tell only the UK top 40 is available to view as an archive and therefore it would be impossible to provide a citation. Cavie78 (talk) 22:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Sound file
Now downloading. What's the song title and what article is it for? Oh, and Audacity is extremely easy to use if you ever want me to run you through it. —Giggy 05:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:TheCure-Disintegration-30s.ogg Let me know if there are any issues. —Giggy 08:20, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Frusciante school picture?
Hi. Sorry to disturb, but I remeber that you at some point tried to insert a picture of John F. from some school book. I tried to locate the discussion/debate on the issue, but could not immediately find it. So I would be grateful, if you could very briefly summarize why such a pic was not allowed (as I am comtemplating trying the same for the Frank Zappa article with his 50 year old high-school graduation picture). Thanks a lot in advance! --HJensen, talk 15:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your swift response! --HJensen, talk 16:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Explanation?
Could you explain this a little better. Your edit summary made no sense. Spike Wilbury and other project members pushed the article to FA. It's what he plays. He is a centerpiece of several other guitar related articles. The field was being used correctly, why the delete? The only field being used incorrectly for that article is the notable instruments field which is a product of the WikiProject Guitarists. He is a notable Stratocaster player and is listed on the Strat player page. The other two are superfluity. The field was not created as a gear list. And is never supposed to be used as one. Also, since I have your attention, are you a guitarist yourself? If so, and even if you aren't, would you be interested in joining the WikiProject Guitarists? We are a group of editors dedicated to improving any/all guitar/guitarist(that includes bass, banjo, mandolin etc.. as well) related pages on Wikipedia. Like the Featured Article for John Frusciante. A showcase article for the project which, right now, strangely omits guitar from his instrument field?? :-). Feel free to drop by the Project page to learn more. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 02:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoops. memory freeze. Spike consulted a different article to FA (although I still think he was a regular contributor to this one in his pre "retired administrator" days). My mistake. I see by your userpage you are, in fact, a guitarist. Where/how did you acquire your 62 Strat? I have 2 sunburst 62 Strats. I also have a 65 and a 59. Just to date myself, the first guitar I ever owned (a gift from my parents) was my original 1962 Strat. And at the time I got it, it was a brand new guitar. I was playing part-time professionally by the time I was into my early teens and I bought my other Strats one right after the other with the money I earned. I worked as a touring sidesmen through most of the 70s and as a session player through most of the 80s. I've owned as many as 35 guitars at one time. But my wife has made me pair it down to around 20. I found a completely different career designing bridges and started my own consulting company in 1988. I still do hundreds of sessions every year for commercials, TV shows, movies and for budding musical artists. But I do it as a hobby and not a job and have not been paid for my session work for nearly 20 years. Any money that would've come my way I have the client donate to charity. We really could use another guitarist if you feel like joining another WikiProject. Thank about it. Cheers and take care! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 02:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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FA-less
We could push Disintegration for this month. It's almost done. Today I was thinking of an ambitious project for myself to make all the R.E.M. albums GA-class, but that would be a hell of a lot of albums, and I only actually own five studio albums (four of which were released before 1990). WesleyDodds (talk) 20:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's definitely worth mentioned the whole "touring by sea liner" bit. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Worth reading through the first couple of paragraphs. You'll understand quickly why I gave you this link. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Back to my R.E.M. album project: I started with Monster yesterday and it's coming along nicely. Would appreciate a second look. The charts and personnel sections are particularly messes. Once that's to GA status, I'm going to go backwards and move from Reckoning onward, then finally finish up Murmur, which I had started work on before. WesleyDodds (talk) 09:54, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably. If we do that, we should at least do a peer review. WesleyDodds (talk) 20:54, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What it really boils down to is that there's been problems with the editor in the past, including use of sockpuppets. People are trying to give him the benefit of the doubt since then, but there's still issues. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I figured since that Coldplay single "Viva la Vida" got to number one I might as well hear what it sounded like, so I looked up the video on YouTube. I got about halfway through before exclaiming, "Where's the fucking hooks? I mean, I don't necessarily like Coldplay, but I should at least have an understanding of why people like this song . . ." It's seriously a new apex of blandness. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's a goal: can we get Disintegration to FA status before it gets reviewed at the GA nomination page? WesleyDodds (talk) 05:35, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Putting aside how long the FAC process itself might take, what do you think we need to work on in the article? WesleyDodds (talk) 05:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like we still need to mention album chart postions, sales, and certifications in the prose. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We're missing a ref for the sales figures. Should also mention certifications. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to go out of town tomorrow, and I will be away without internet access until Monday or Tuesday. I'll try cleaning up the article, and you can nom it while I am gone if you think it's ready by then. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Busy doing work on Nirvana songs and Thriller at the moment. Will get to it later tonight, though. WesleyDodds (talk) 02:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Add chart position citations in Nevermind so I can take it to GA nomination!! WesleyDodds (talk) 02:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So does "Come as You Are". His acoustic had a pickup, so he figured he'd use his pedals. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:08, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I dare you to ask him for some licensed pictures to use for Wikipedia. A circa-1993 photo would be great. Also, tell him I said the riff to "Siva" is awesome. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about
All those things you are saying are true but what are you talking about? --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 23:39, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey
Since I haven't been on here for a while, I thought I might as well ping you and see how you're doing. Drop me a line when you'd like Disintegration reviewed; consider me fairly unknowledgeable about The Cure in general. By the way, you're currently in California right? I was in Boston and NYC for two weeks recently, and wasn't sure which state you were in. I might do a road trip up the West coast next year or something; might be an opportunity to visit some fellow ALMers then. CloudNine (talk) 23:27, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

"Yo"
Yeah, I'm currently in the ~south of france~. Sadly for me, my mobile phone doubles as a wireless internet modem and I can't help but to go on my laptop at the beach :P I noticed that you've been working on Disintegration. What a wall of text that is. Do you have no photos or anything to break it up? It hurts my eyes.  naerii  11:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. BH&R is at FAC. Review plz y/n? Featured article candidates/Black Holes & Revelations.  naerii  13:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * London is awesome! One of my favourite places. I love wandering around Soho and visiting the various art galleries and stuff they have going on there. The bars in Camden are great too. I'm so jealous - a weekend in London would have been so much more exciting than a few weeks sitting on the beach in France.  naerii  16:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, there was too much stuff for me to keep up with. I'm a bit busy with work and suchlike. I'm going to put it back up in a month or two. Any comments you have before then would be appreciated, of course ;)  naerii  18:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey
Hi NSR77, I don't believe we met one another here (if so, my apologies) but I see that you're very much interested in music and featured content. Thanks for your comment on the Lostprophets discog, I'm in agreement with you on most of what you said. On another tack, if you have some spare time, would you be interested in reviewing some of other discogs and music award lists currently at FLC? There are quite a few which have hardly any comments on so anything you'd care to contribute would be very gratefully received! All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 14:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I hope you're enjoying London, despite the "variable" weather! A little less predictable than LA, that's for sure!  So, at the moment, we have 37 lists at FLC, 10 of which are either discography or music award lists.  By all means review any of them but if your interest lies with the music articles, perhaps those are a great place to start?  Anyway, not to worry too much now, enjoy the rest of your travels, take it easy and let me know if I can give you any more info.  Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * At least you can see a lot of London by foot. When I was in LA, it took three buses (including one which nearly crashed) to get me to the Getty museum.  Hire a car, everyone said.  Wish I had... Plus I forgot my passport one night, and being of youthful features, I was refused a beer, despite (at the time) being 7 years over the required 21 years... Gah! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:10, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, no car unfortunately, doing the trip on the cheap. But enjoyed LA despite all of that.  Hopefully you'll have some good memories of London when you get back to sunny 99% no clouds sprawling LA??!  Your travels take you elsewhere in Europe?  (I should hope so..) The Rambling Man (talk) 15:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Europe discography
The grammar is fixed and their are now nine music video directors.


 * Can you please visit the review page, cause we have fixed all your problems. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 07:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Europe discography

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I wasn't saying they are required. I just mentioned that they are common and useful to many wikipedians. Why go through a string a hundred of more #1 albums to learn about the history and about the albums themselves and then it suddenly stops because one editor doesn't like them. I'm not sure what you have against them when they are normally placed unobstrusively at the bottom of an article. Thanks. --Wolfer68 (talk) 07:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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Nir-vana
Take a look at "Come as You Are" and "Lithium" and do what you can. I've almost exhausted all the sources available. WesleyDodds (talk) 03:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to add permanent links for the versions of your FAs/GA you want used for the Wikipedia 0.7 release! You post them right here. I've posted the links my alt-rock FAs except for Disintegration, because there's some minor things I want to add first. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:51, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm having trouble sorting out the Killing Joke stuff in "Come as you Are". I think that's the big hurdle currently. As for your next project, given we have to clean up a number of articles for Wikipedia 0.7, what better time than now to go for the big one? I'm totally up for helping you out. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:21, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't double-checked the Killing Joke related refs yet (which were on the page before I started working on it). I saw that one of them is a YouTube video, so that may or may not be usable. Also I'd like to clear up the contradictory accounts. Could you find out more about it? WesleyDodds (talk) 08:01, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I see there's finally a good John Frusciante infobox picture. Remember to update the Wikipedia 0.7 selected diff! WesleyDodds (talk) 02:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * To answer an old question, Ins't Anything definitely is better when it comes to outright rockin' and having proper songs. Nonetheless, I'm not really into MBV; when it comes to shoegaze I prefer Ride or Lush. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The crux of my plan is to make the infobox genre fields optional, which should quell most of the edit wars. However, that's not all I'm focusing on. I'll provide guidelines on how to addres genre in the lead, in the infobox in musical style sections, and in categories. I will provide writing tips, lists of helpful sources, and point out frequent problems (like making sure you determine the genre you are writing sooo much about is, y'know, real in the first place). I plan to start tomorrow; currently recovering from more or less finishing my rewrite of Watchmen right now. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:36, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * When I finish my guidelines proposal, we will be notifying everyone, so you are of course welcome to that discussion. That discussion will hopefully be more straightforward than the clusterfuck on the WP:Music page. As for projects, why not try another song? Less to focus on. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Whups.
Hey, sorry about the Epiphone with John Frusciante- I contributed to his page last year, but wasn't using this computer nor a user name. I suppose I'll quit staying up all night and not getting the rest I need! Just wanted to let you know I'm not some kind of kooky vandal- and very much a Frusciante fan.. but was editing two pages at the same time- one for Alun Davies who really does own an Epiphone Casino.. well, shit, mistakes happen. Sorry. Thanks for being vigilant. I am going to take a NAP! No hard feelings, I hope! :) --leahtwosaints (talk) 21:59, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for September 2008
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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music
Hi. It was pointed out on my talkpage that the subsection I created under Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music for my statement "in favor" may have been causing people to overlook the comments subsection below it. I suggested to the editor who noted this that since nobody ever placed a specific "statement against" that sectioning out my comment might seem to give it more importance than its deserved, as its simply one among many positions. (In other words, it's not being addressed like a user RFC, where one person posts a view and others endorse or don't (example.) To avoid that, I have eliminated my original subheader and moved the "comments" subheader above it, with a note there indicating that I have merged the subsections. If you object to this, since you also commented in that subsection, please let me know. The purpose here is to hopefully increase clarity of the conversation so that new contributors can easily understand it. Thanks. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Paranoid Android
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Feedback?
Currently working on my genre guideliens proposal here. Feedback on my talk page is welcome. In particular, please point out if anything is confusing, since lots of people might have to adhere to this in the future and I don't want to confuse them. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:23, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

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Rappin' wit chu
The question I'm asking myself: do I want to buy that upcoming Smashing Pumpkins DVD? WesleyDodds (talk) 03:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You should've asked him if he read the band's Wiki article. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Get any pictures? WesleyDodds (talk) 11:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * After getting Watchmen through FAR last month I haven't had much of an idea on what to focus on next. Suggestions welcome. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)