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Crow Indian Reservation
Thank you for your edits to Crow Indian Reservation. I noticed in one of your edits that you cited "Linderman, Frank B.: Plenty Coups. Chief of the Crows. Lincoln/London, 1962, pp. 239-240." I found a later addition of the book here, and it is just 194 pages long. Did you get your pages wrong? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:17, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

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I see you are editing articles on Native peoples of the American west --I'd like to invite you to join WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America, a gathering place for Wikipedia editors who work on articles in this topic. Montanabw (talk) 03:38, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

((reply to|Montanabw)) Hi. Thanks for the invitation to join the project about Indigenous peoples. Now I have thought about it - it is silly not to join, of course. So, now I am in. Yours Naawada2016 (talk) 08:01, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

How to repeatedly cite the same source in an article.
Check out this link for how to cite a source multiple times in the same article. You give the ref a name, and then the additional refs use the abbreviated form show here: Citing sources, rather than having to fill out the whole thing again. If it's the same book but found on different pages, go ahead and do a new ref for it. But if all the data is the same, just use the shortened format for repeats shown at that link. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 20:28, 20 June 2017 (UTC) ((reply to|CorbieVreccan))Hi and thanks for the information. I have spent my time improving articles but I try to learn more about how to edit in line with the standards. I will try to remember your fine advise.Naawada2016 (talk) 08:37, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

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Hi SeraphWiki and thanks for your view and objection to my draft about the capture of the Sacred Arrows of the Cheyennes.

Of course, I have not spent hours on finding sources, making a map and also the little picture with drawings from two Lakota winter counts if I thought the subject was out of the Wikipedia range.

My reasoning is as follows: The Sacred Arrows are mentioned in the text about the Cheyenne.

We have existing articles about both the Cheyenne tribe and the Pawnee tribe. Since this is one of the major battles in the history of both tribes, it is all right to write about it; Sacred Arrows captured or not. This intertribal battle deserves to be mentioned no matter what.

We have an article about the Sand Creek Massacre. It is strange not to have an article about an even worse disaster according to the Cheyennes living 200 years ago. We may think, that the Sand Creek Massacre was the worst blow to the Cheyennes, but the old Cheyennes may have seen thinks differently and clearly did so according to George Bent. Regardless of our own view, I think we owe the old Cheyennes so much respect, that we accept their view on events experienced by them.

The battle had far reaching "links". The recapture of one of the Sacred Arrows by the Lakotas in 1843 was such an extraordinary event, that it was found worthy to be mentioned in at least three of the Lakota winter counts. (I show the drawings from two of them in the draft). Again - if a number of Lakotas living in 1843 considered this event to be the most memorable of the year, it is strange that we can't hear about it. The event fits nicely in exactly at the place where it is mentioned in my draft.

The article has a link to another of the Sacred Arrows battles. That is the massacre on the Crow camp at Tongue River in 1820 (also written by me). If a reader wants to read more about these rare Sacred Arrows battles, an article is just a link away.

I think, we have only discussed this from a view focused on the Cheyenne and the Sacred Arrows. I think it is all right to look at this event from the Indian point of view of a Pawnee, too. The Pawnee still have the two original arrows, no matter what the Cheyennes have done to get them back. Clearly, the capture of arrows is one of the great moments in the history of the Pawnee.

If Wikipedia lacks an article about the Sacred Arrows, I can easily write one. I hesitate, because I do not know how detailed such an article is supposed to be? My draft about the capture of the Sacred Arrows actually lists some sources of use for readers interested in the ceremony performed before a battle and also about the renewing of the arrows. Thus, readers who want to know about the Sacred Arrows are not left without any clues to where to find more about the subject.

A lot written; I hope to get a reply from you - no matter what. You see, I am not an eagle on Wikipedia, and I am still not sure that my answers to fellow-Wikipedians reach their destinations. I hope, I have this one right!

Yours Naawada2016 (talk) 10:54, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

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There There (novel)
Just a note. Heard a story on NPR about this, and wrote the article today. Seems like a book you might like. It's pretty damn good as far into it as I am, and I don't really read that much fiction. G M G talk  21:34, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, thanks. I will give it a thought. Neither do I read much fiction - I spent most of my spare time researching and writing here on Wikipedia. Right now, I try to create an article about the Arikara Indian scouts. Wikipedia lacks one.Naawada2016 (talk) 16:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah. Also feel free to stop by Treaty of Bosque Redondo anytime, and especially in the case you've got some useful books handy.  G M G  talk  16:20, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It looks like a fine novel. I have read Susan Powers "Grass Dance" twice (Lakota) and "Yellow Float on Blue Water" or something like that by ??? some years ago. So it is not that I NEVER read fiction.Naawada2016 (talk) 16:39, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

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I'm sorry, but It's not ready. I've moved it back to draft. See draft talk. - Corb</b><b style="color: #145073;">ie</b><b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 20:16, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

WP:NDN
Please consider getting input from the Indigenous wikiproject on the Native articles, not just AfC, before asking they be moved to mainspace. Indigenous topics often need more specialized review than most editors here are experienced with, and people in the project may also be able to help out. Best, - <b style="color:#44018F;">Co</b><b style="color: #003878;">rb</b><b style="color: #145073;">ie</b><b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 20:16, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

A page you started (Arikara scouts) has been reviewed!
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 * Thanks - my day is saved. It is good to see "Arikara scouts" in mainspace. WORD tells my, I have spent more than 4000 minutes on the article, just the text, not including maps, etc - fine it wasn't waste of time. Have a nice day from Naawada2016 (talk) 13:08, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries... it was a very nice job, very well structured, sourced, etc. Hope to see more of your work in the future.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 13:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

List of fur trading posts in Montana
Hi, would you be able to supply me with scans of the most important pages you've referenced in this draft? I'd like to verify them before I accept the page. Pages 36, 127, and 98 of reference 1 would be nice, as would page 67 and 68 of ref 2. The rest I'm willing to assume good faith with. Additionally, the history section is unreferenced. Cheers, <b style="font-family:Papyrus"> Anarchyte ( work  &#124;  talk ) </b> 07:18, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi back. Now, I have made references in the History section of "List of fur trading posts in Montana". Also, I have made an external link to one of the requested sources: "Montana Historical Preserving Plan, 1975". Usually, I do not have a good hand with external links, but I think I have succeeded with this one. Just - I can't figure out how to separate the link from the list of categories. PLEASE HELP! Once again - forgive my ignorance, but I really do not know how to send you PFD files of the pages in Hoxie's book, which I actually have on the bookshelf. Please, tell me or trust me. "Have a nice day" fromNaawada2016 (talk) 13:56, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The list categories will disappear once the page is no longer in draftspace. At the moment, they're not acting as categories because they have Category: instead of ( work  &#124;  talk ) </b> 23:50, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi again. Thanks for the quick response. About sending PFD files of Hoxie's book from my private mail account - first I said all right, but now I really don't like to. I have never before been asked to do so. It should be easy to find the book somewhere - it is from 1995 and is the main source about the history of the Crow. Mainly, I have made references to Hoxie's book where the sources are at odds with each other about the abandonment of a trading post or he is the only one giving a year. Hoxie gives 1813 as the year of the closing down of Fort Raymond, while other sources have 1811. Have a nice day. Naawada2016 (talk) 06:31, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Naawada2016, Quite a bit of the text you have used in these articles - all of them relying on outdated sources with a distinctly colonial POV - has been heavily anachronistic, with sections of archaic, run-on sentences alternating with choppy modern sentence fragments in a wholly different writing style and voice. This raises reasonable concerns about copying and pasting, and liability issues for Wikipedia. This is not the first time this sort of concern has been raised with you. Send the files. - <b style="color:#44018F;">Co</b><b style="color: #003878;">rb</b><b style="color: #145073;">ie</b><b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 18:46, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, just an update. I've been looking through some of the issues raised by in the past, and I must agree that it is concerning. At the least, please supply PDFs for the pages used in the history section so we can make sure there has been no plagiarism. You can email them to me (I can give you my email), or you can upload them to DropBox or a similar file sharing website. If you're unable to do this, the article may need to be moved back into draftspace until we can make sure everything is in order. The bulk of the list is fine as I've found a copy of the 1975 Montana Historic Preservation Plan. <b style="font-family:Papyrus"> Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk ) </b> 05:46, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi. This is surely a lot of words about a simple list with cold facts like the location of a fur trading post and the year it was built etc. I suggest you find the sources. If I upload them, how can you or CorbieVreccan be sure, that I have not manipulated the uploads? According to liability and copy and paste - I have written a number of built-up-from-the-bottom-articles and NEVER been taken in using invented sources or in copy-paste. CorbieVreccan are unable to give just a single and concrete example of this - CorbieVreccan just raises this concern out of the blue. (Besides a little funny - given the many objections to my writing style, it is strange that CorbieVreccan - of all - thinks I have copied them from a printed book written by an academic!) I appreciate the work you do to get this little innocent article out on WikipediA. Have a nice day. Naawada2016 (talk) 06:55, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I appreciate the response. This isn't regarding the list itself, so to speak, but the history section. All content on Wikipedia must be verifiable, and the burden is on those who add the information or the source to provide proof if requested. In addition, it's quite difficult to modify a scan without making it look dodgy and I doubt anyone would go to the extent of modifying a book just to keep something live on Wikipedia. If you don't want to upload PDFs, you can take a photo of the relevant pages and upload them to Imgur or a similar image sharing site, though make sure the text is readable. It requires no account or personal information. Worst comes worst, the article will have to be moved back to draftspace, but I'll wait for a comment from CorbieVreccan here before I do that. <b style="font-family:Papyrus"> Anarchyte ( work  &#124;  talk ) </b> 07:04, 18 July 2018 (UTC)


 * My concerns are not just with this one list article but with massive amounts of other text this user has contributed in "Scout" series of articles they brought through AfC into article space recently. Books that are not online have been used for those, with the same issues. Naawada2016, for you to say this is "out of the blue" means you have not been reading talk pages and edit summaries. I can get a bunch of diffs with edit summaries like this one but all it takes is looking at the history of the pages you submitted to see times editors have raised these concerns with you. For instance, in the above diff, sourced to - Bowers, Alfred W.: Hidatsa Social and Ceremonial Organization. Smithsonian Institution. Bureau of American Ethnology, Bulletin 194. Washington, 1965, p. 24. - is the sentence, "A number of the Hidatsas terminated their life as tillers of the soil and joined their remote relatives, the nomadic River Crow, around Yellowstone River." is that your original writing? The articles are full of weird inaccuracies particular to the era of the books you are using, like calling normal Native people "commoners", and so many unecyclopedic phrasings like "Grasshoppers and hailstorms shattered the villagers' hope of fine crops", that I cut because they sound plagiarized. Every single article you've created is packed with this stuff. Add this to your refusal to simply provide a scan of your sources and I am strongly suggesting you send an admin these sources or we delete all your contribs as probable plagiarism. - <b style="color:#44018F;">Co</b><b style="color: #003878;">rb</b><b style="color: #145073;">ie</b><b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 18:15, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

I only just found this: The Pawnee capture of the Cheyenne's Sacred Arrows. You need to stop writing these articles. This is awful. You are using horrible sources to write offensive, inaccurate content about living cultures. You need to be topic-banned from Native articles. - <b style="color:#44018F;">Co</b><b style="color: #003878;">rb</b><b style="color: #145073;">ie</b><b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 18:22, 18 July 2018 (UTC) Naawada2016, you are creating these articles without any understanding of, or context with, the Native articles or community on the 'pedia. Every thing I find just makes this situation worse. - <b style="color:#44018F;">Co</b><b style="color: #003878;">rb</b><b style="color: #145073;">ie</b><b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 18:31, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

has gone on record at the AfD for the Sacred Arrows article that she has hard copies of some of these books at home, and has confirmed that there are copyvios. - <b style="color:#44018F;">Co</b><b style="color: #003878;">rb</b><b style="color: #145073;">ie</b><b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 21:41, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Pings don't work without an original signature. And I am truly impressed that she has so thoroughly memorized these books that she can spot close paraphrasing by memory. CorbieVreccan, if you continue to harass this user without evidence the next discussion we have will likely be at ANI.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  21:46, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not interested in any of this user's articles besides List of fur trading posts in Montana. I'd prefer to leave the other articles to those who are knowledgeable about the topic. I accepted the list at AfC, so I'm trying to make sure that wasn't a mistake. The Google Books preview of ref2 only goes up to page 48, and the Amazon preview of ref1 is a mess. Given the list itself is not an issue as we have a copy of the source, it might just boil down to deleting the history section and moving on. <b style="font-family:Papyrus"> Anarchyte ( work  &#124;  talk ) </b> 02:10, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: List of fur trading posts in Montana has been accepted
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Nomination of The Pawnee capture of the Cheyenne Sacred Arrows for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article The Pawnee capture of the Cheyenne Sacred Arrows is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Your draft article, Draft:Larocque's expedition to Yellowstone River


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