User talk:Nableezy/Archive 12

Hamas
Thank you; I just want you to know I noticed. -- Avi (talk) 21:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. Take care Avi,  nableezy  - 21:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

UNSC 242
Nableezy, you gave no reason for undoing my reversion. What is your thinking? /SMB —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve157 (talk • contribs) 14:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The lead is supposed to be an overview of the rest of the text, you took out a portion of that overview (that the resolution "refers to the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war"). That was my thinking.  nableezy  - 14:47, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

But the resolution also talks about a lot of other things. The question is one of balance, why is there a need to summarise just that additional phrase? /SMB —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve157 (talk • contribs) 14:50, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Because that phrase backs up one of the foundations of post-war international law. What is the issue of balance here? Is there anything to suggest that there is something contradicting that phrase in the resolution? Why should it not be included?  nableezy  - 15:00, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

What do you think that phrase actually means, both generally and in this resolution? /SMB —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve157 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Why would it matter what I think, either generally or in this resolution? This conversation should really be on the talk page of the article though.  nableezy  - 16:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * It matters for two reasons. First because you asked me if there is anything contradicting this phrase. How can I answer that if I don't know what you think it means? Second, you have justified your edit that this phrase must be highlighted before all others (It is the very first quote from the resolution's text) because 'it backs up one of the foundations of post-war international law.' Yet you also say it doesn't matter what the phrase means, i.e. whether it is important or not and whether does need to be highlighted there or not.


 * If you want to move the discussion let me know where to continue. If you don't want to give me a reason for your edit, can I undo it? /SMB 87.194.236.72 (talk) 17:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.236.72 (talk) 17:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I did you give reasons and I did not say it does not matter what the text means. I said it does not matter what I think the text means.  nableezy  - 18:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Nableezy. We are going around in cirlces. Am I right in thinking that you want the phrase highlighted because you think 'it backs up one of the foundations of post-war international law.'? Yes or No? /SMBSteve157 (talk) 18:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Somewhere between yes and no. That is a reason, it is not the only reason. But why is it you want to remove it?  nableezy  - 18:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I gave my reason and you made no reference to it before you made your edit. I also pointed to further discussion on the discussion page. You have made no reference to them either. I am more than happy to debate these issues and expand on the reasons. So if you want to question me why don't you revert your own edit which was made without any reason and then challenge my reversion. I will be happy to debate as much as you wish, time permitting.Steve157 (talk) 19:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * See here and here. The phrase "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" is one of the most important aspects of the resolution. "As Lord Caradon, the principal author of resolution 242 (1967) has stated, "the overriding principle" of resolution 242 is the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" and this means Israeli withdrawal from Palestinian and other Arab lands must take place to the pre-June 1967 borders, subject to minor variations to be determined, preferably, by an impartial boundary commission." This is not some random set of words thrown together, this is one of the most important aspects of the resolution and should be included in the lead.  nableezy  - 20:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments. You pointed me at two very long documents, but no particular section. I am pretty familiar with S/PV.1382. I know the Caradon quote you referenced is not in it. Where is it from?


 * Also which I don't think S/PV.1382 supports your argument. Take a look at the comments of Mr Tomeh of Syria who took the view that the resolution as drafted was highly ambiguous, while Caradon took the view that the wording was clear:


 * 11. While there is a mention of the withdrawal of Israel forces, this reference is almost nullified by the absence of any time limit or any modus operandi for ensuring this withdrawal. No clearer proof could be given to illustrate the ambiguity of this withdrawal than its description by Israel-Zionist sources. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency's Daily News Bulletin of 20 November describes it in these words:


 * "Israelis are known to have indicated unofficially that Israel 'could live' with the British formula. The draft does not spell out Israel's withdrawal as to timing, nor does it say that the withdrawal is to be to the pre-June 5 armistice lines."


 * 12. Moreover, this mention of withdrawal is made subject to a score of concessions to be imposed on the Arab countries, thus coupling it with conditions amounting to the liquidation of the whole Palestine question, a question which is basically and primarily the product of colonialism in the area. All of this is done purposely with a view to ignoring the will and rights of the Palestine Arab people. Even in the very mandate entrusted to the special representative-to-be, the call for withdrawal of the Israel occupying forces is not provided for. He is merely asked to: "proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution" [S/8247].


 * I agree that the inadmissibility phrase is important. The problem is I suspect we interprete it entirely differently. You interpret it to mean that Israel must withdraw to June 4th lines because it carn't gain territory by war, but I am pretty clear that that is an incorrect interpretation of what is a principle that came into being by replacing the older principle of the 'right of conquest'. The right of conquest in effect said that what you won in battle became legally yours as part of the peace settlement that the victor imposed on the vanquished. What the inadmissibility phrase does is negate that by saying you carn't use the argument that I won this by war to justify a legal claim to keep what you won. Any such claim will be 'inadmissible'. Of course if you have some other legal claim then you may be able to keep all or some of what you won. So as far as 242 is concerned the first question is what are the boundaries that Israel has a legal right to claim. In 1967 there were no such boundaries. No Arab state recognised the June 4th boundaries which were merely armistice lines where fighting stopped in 1949. So what 242 says as far as I can see is that Israel must withdraw, but only to secure and recognised boundaries reached by negotiation as part of a peace agreement. That is the only interpretation that makes sense of every single word of the resolution, rather than just some selected phrases. That is also the interpretation under which Egypt made peace with Israel. Note that the wording I was trying to revert to didn't spell that out. It just quoted the core operative paragraph in quite a neutral way.


 * So the reason I want this phrase removed is to keep the summary of the resolution as neutral as possible. The reason you want to keep it in, it seems to me, is to favour a particular POV about how the resolution should be interpreted.Steve157 (talk) 21:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I dont say that the inadmissibility phrase means Israel must withdraw from the territories it occupied (I think the part where it says withdraw from territories occupied means that), I think it is the basis for saying that the annexation of E. Jerusalem is illegal as is the imposing Israeli civil law over the Golan. It isnt that Israel cannot occupy these lands, it is that these lands cannot become a part of Israel. The Caradon quote is referenced in the first link, and you can see it mentioned here as well as any number of other places (the link I provided cites it to Lord Caradon, Goldberg, El-Zayyat and Eban, U.N. Security Council Resolution 242, (Georgetown University, 1981), p. 1 at 13. As to your last point, neutrality does not mean diminishing one POV in favor of another. Those who drafted the resolution have said that this line was an "overriding principle" of the resolution. You determining that it is being interpreted improperly is not justification to remove it from the lead. One of the foundations of post-war international law is laid out in that line. That you apparently dislike the consequences of that foundation as applied to this case is not all that important. If you wish to continue this discussion I ask you make no more inferences as to my "POV".  nableezy  - 22:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I regret that the assumptions I made about your position were incorrect. But if you withold your position it becomes rather hard to avoid making some assumptions. My mistake. Still it doesn't alter any of the issues or the fact that you have just made an incorrect assumption about my position which I had not witheld and sought to make clear. I do not, as you suggest, dislike the application of this phrase to 242, indeed I welcome it. I just think it has to be applied in context, not highlighted out of context.


 * I note you still haven't said how you interpret the phrase you insist on highlighting. How do you interpret it to mean that Israel could never have legal title to East Jerusalem or the Golan? If that were true Israel could never have legal title to any of the land inside the June 4th boundaries either, as they were all conquered by war in 1948/9 or 1967 and under Israeli law. Is that your interpretation and your position? If so why did Egypt make peace with Israel under 242 instead of claiming that under 242 it had no right to exist? If not your interpretation doesn't seem to be consistent.


 * Returning to the question of undoing my reversion without giving any reason. The reference you now provide doesn't support your claim that the inadmissibility phrase is an "overriding principle" at all. It says that its inclusion was necessary for agreement. That doesn't mean that everything else wasn't equally or even more necessary for agreement. In fact Caradon specifically states just before the resolution is passed that the resolution is a balanced whole which must considered as a whole and as it stands. So you still don't have an argument for highlighting this one phrase above all else. If anything your new reference favours my position as it highlights Land for Peace, i.e. the withdrawal and peace within secure boundaries phrases that were already there. It also suggests that my position isn't just an alternative POV but the core principle according to your own preferred reference.


 * Nor is your new argument about Israeli annexations a reason for highlighting one phrase above all others as 242 doesn't directly address either the pre-existing annexation by Jordan or those you mention by Israel.


 * Also where do you get this "foundation of post-war international law" concept? Are you meaning post World War 1 or some other war? Are you saying that until 242 this principle didn't exist?


 * How about outlining all the reasons you had in mind for making your edit without giving any reason, so we can reach a conclusion.Steve157 (talk) 01:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The armistice agreements following the 48 war set borders, albeit not defined as permanent. It isnt that Israel could never have E. Jerusalem or Golan, only that they could not acquire them through armed conflict; it would take a treaty ceding the territory to Israel. And the lead is not highlighting this one phrase over all others, it also highlights "withdraw from territories", "termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty ... their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force". The last reference was provided only to further support that Caradon said "the overriding principle" in reference to the phrase in question. But it is clear that neither of use are going to convince the other so I would advise you to take this to the article talk page and see what others have to say. Oh and "post-war" = post-WWII. And the idea existed since then, this affirmed it. Finally, I withhold my position because it does not matter what I think the resolution means, all that matters is what the sources say it means. What I think is not important to the conversation.  nableezy  - 02:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Press TV
Hi Nableezy; I'm not sure if the templates are still needed since your clean-up. Feel free to remove them if you think the article reads as neutral. Thanks, 99.149.84.135 (talk) 04:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I think
this may have something to do with User:LoverOfTheRussianQueen (aka User:NoCal100, among others both past and present). Check out Avi's last comment there. I was wondering how LOTRQ got blocked without a report having been filed. Maybe? Anyway, hope you're doing good. Happy editing.  T i a m u t talk 20:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Naw, that was Swedish IPs. LOTRQ got blocked apparently because a checkuser decided to look, just as the other NoCal socks had been blocked. None of the users in Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of NoCal100 had a case page opened, the first to go was User:Hadashot Livkarim. There is no way it was from the Fipplet case, the time ranges dont match to somebody in Sweden.  nableezy  - 21:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Can't follow IP talk myself and have never been good at tracing/investigating these type of things. It was the comment that got me thinking it. Anyway, its not important.  T i a m u t talk 21:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I love it. One day soon, I hope you will come to visit us in balandna for some tea under the olive trees. Until then, happy editing Nableezy.  T i a m u t talk 08:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I would like to hear your thoughts
about if you think the category "Egyptians of Syrian descent" should be in the three articles posted here: WP EGYPT On the basis that Tamer Hosnys mother was Syrian, Soad Hosnys grandfather was Syrian  and Anwar Wagdi was of Syrian descent --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 12:18, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * sorry but this aint at the top of my list. maybe will look at it.  nableezy  - 21:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey nableezy, you are a good editor and I would really appreciate your input and views, only one sentence if you support the category in those articles or not. Thank you in advance.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 07:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I might take a look, but I really dont care about this. Though you could help yourself by finding sources that specifically say X was of Syrian descent or ancestry or whatever.  nableezy  - 22:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As you can see above I have already provided sources showing Syrian descent, and mother and grandfather was Syrian, only one have answered and you contribute a lot to wikiepdia so I would really appreciate it if you could post your view about this.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:27, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Please accept my apology! I read "mfs" as an abbreviation for a slang term about carnal relations, especially after I read your talk page ("civility does not exist here"). Sorry! What is "mfa" for? Kaisershatner (talk) 15:58, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Abbas
I removed it because I believe it will confuse a casual reader more than heighten their understanding of the article. I know the PNA is an organisation and Palestine would be the state but for nearly all intents and purposes, the PNA functions as the government. The article should certainly cover the vote in detail but having two titles that do the same thing in the infobox will look disjointed. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:04, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

3rr
3rr AgadaUrbanit (talk) 02:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * your life.  nableezy  - 06:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And the result: No vio. Agada admonished for failing to use the talk page for meaningful discussion. Please do.  nableezy  - 08:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Kfr
Actually the word can be read as referring to Christians at 5:72 (kafara). Like so much in books like the Tanakh, Gospels and Qur'an, much is obscure, and much not clear unless read with commentaries. One more reason for being very strict about what sources are reliable for what in editing in these areas. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 17:04, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I luckily have access to my fathers library for today, so I am looking in one of the many volumes he has of tafsir to see what they would have to say about the issue. Will try to get some info written down and translated today.  nableezy  - 19:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

State of Palestine
I've been researching and thinking about the issue all day, and I'd like to hear your reaction to a compromise suggestion that just might possibly work, saving us from an RfC shit show. I would suggest it to Tiamat too, but she doesn't seem to be in a state of mind where she would listen to anything I say. The suggestion is to change the name of the article to Palestinian statehood (this was hypothetically suggested in the original AfD by user:Jfdwolff, an admin); then Proposals for a Palestinian state could be merged into it. That way, all arguments and facts relating the existence or absence of a Palestinian state, as well as the processes that are leading to/have led to its creation can be presented without the title pre-deciding that the state is "merely" a proposal, as Proposals for a Palestinian state does; at the same time, we avoid the article being a fork of Palestinian National Authority. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 18:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I really dont think that would be appropriate. The PNA and the state of Palestine are two different things and lumping them together would confuse more than enlighten. The PNA is an interim government set up under the Oslo accords, the state declared its independence in 1988 well before even the idea of the PNA existed. In my opinion just the fact that 100+ other countries recognize the state of Palestine and its existence means it is notable enough for its own article. State and country are two different things and as far as I can tell nobody is calling the state of Palestine a country. Feel free to bring this up on the talk page, but I personally would be opposed to it. What I think we really need is to have a discussion just about whether or not the AfD applies to this article. You see I asked Avi to comment (I dont think it is canvassing to pick somebody that is not expected to have the same views, and I really was just asking him as an admin what he thinks about the AfD applying), if there are other people you feel would be good to ask about that question please do. I dont like how that conversation is going with petty remarks being tossed about that ignore the point of the discussion, and an RfC probably wouldnt be much better. But if we do start the RfC the way I think it would be the least contentious would be to have it specifically on whether or not the AfD applies to this article. Depending on that answer we would go on to different venues to argue about the actual existence of the article; if it does not apply then if people wished an AfD would be in order, if it does then either RfD or DRV (not sure about that). So to sum up this disjointed mess above I think we need to focus on the procedure aspect first then deal with all fighting about the actual content of the article and whether or not it should be there.  nableezy  - 18:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That type of RfC would be fine with me, but whoever requests it should make it as explicit as possible that it's a procedural question, since obviously people will be tempted to say what they think about the article in general. I can't make the request, of course; you saw the hysterical reaction when I tried to distinguish between the two issues. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 21:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Hysterical reactions aside, I think the procedural question is rather moot at this point. As Avi pointed out in his comment, the article is significantly different now. Redirects can always be boldly recreated. Should someone believe the article in its current state should not exist, a new AfD is required. People could also try editing the article to have it reflect the POVs they feel are missing. It needs work. Its a vast subject.  T i a m u t talk 00:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Just FYI
I wasn't trying to suggest that the "fringe" theories were true, it was more that the initial findings had been questioned -- with multiple theories of greater and lesser credibility jockeying to fill the void. Wasn't at all trying to lead to any conclusions. Sorry if you felt put off. IronDuke 02:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * all good. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 03:21, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

International Law and the Gaza War
Tell me, did you make any changes or moved it exactly as it was? --Sceptic from Ashdod (talk) 05:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * exactly as it was text wise, only changes were in the code and the first sentence. I had to bring a bunch of refs in that were just used but defined in the original section but besides that it is exactly the same. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 05:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * i wonder what happened to this sentence: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gaza_War&diff=prev&oldid=311413981. i don't recall it was challenged. --Sceptic from Ashdod (talk) 07:08, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * it was indeed challenged. And truthfully I agree with that challenge. A random lady suing the EU doesnt really merit mention unless something comes of it in my opinion. But give me a second and Ill give you a diff of exactly what changed between my taking it out of the gaza war article and splitting it into the intl law article. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 07:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * and here is a diff of all the changes I made in the split. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 07:23, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * missed the Sean's challenge. put today an awkward misleading sentence. am i getting too old for this? --Sceptic from Ashdod (talk) 14:09, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * At least I can blame it on the ganga, whats your excuse? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 06:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You are not getting too old for this. I saw your use of the word 'imression' yesterday which as far as I'm concerned is a very nice word despite not existing yet. I suggest you use it more until it gets into the dictionary. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 06:07, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * didn't you notice another derivative - 'impretion'? i think of filing a patent on this one. --Sceptic from Ashdod (talk) 07:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Then what was I supposed to do?
Start a fourth round of mediation that will be reverted by him because he doesn't like the outcome? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 07:42, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I asked you several times to please make a comment about the categories, I know you have been following the Asmahan shit and you haven't made one post to help. Al ameer is tired of this crap, let him be. If you want to do something to help you can do that but the arbitration, I really hope it will get accepted. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 08:07, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You should have said something before but I don't see how this arbitration will stop you from getting involved and helping out.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Pictures
Not necessarily. Only when a free-use image can be "reasonably be found or created" do we remove the fair-use version. For living people for whom it would not be reasonable to create/find a fair use image (people incarcerated for life, people in countries which have religious/social taboos against pictures of people, etc.) we may continue to use the fair-use image, provided that fair use is accurately claimed and an appropriate rationale given. -- Avi (talk) 05:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If that were the image to illustrate Marc, I would say that it would need to be replaced. However, it is being used to illustrate the connection with Nazi memorabilia, and that, I do not think, can have a fair-use image be "reasonably found". Unless someone can specifically ask him to pose in that shirt :) -- Avi (talk) 05:15, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey thanks..
..for the support over at AN/EW. I wouldn't have bothered if I were you, well I didn't, but it's appreciated nonetheless. It's quite enlightening to watch how these kind of issues propagate via the usual sources in the web/media, find their way into open arms of wiki editors and how the de facto logistical support of those editors works via distraction etc services provided by editors sympathetic to the cause. Fascinating and disturbing. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 05:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If those had not been BLP reverts I wouldnt have said a word but taking you to a noticeboard because you reverted "OMG HEZ A NAZI!!!" sourced to a blog if at all more than 3 times was little rich for me to take quietly. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 05:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The irony is that Garlasco almost certainly doesn't give a fuck about any of this. He should get the 'Captain undiplomatic - funniest guy at HRW' award. Some of the things he says in interviews are top quality comedy one liners. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 06:01, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Your message
Is TARC going to be warned he started this edit war? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tannim1 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Tarc didnt start an edit war, you put something in that was reverted. What you need to do at that point is go to the talk page and show why it should be in, not just continue to revert. And Tarc has been here a while, no reminders, or warnings, are needed. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 20:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

So basicly you are saying that TARC can do what ever he or she wants even though other have complained about the same thing.Tannim1 (talk) 08:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Im absolutely not saying that. I am saying that you are a new user so I felt compelled to let you know that you need to go to the talk page after being reverted. Tarc does not need any such notice. When a new user is editing in a way not in accordance with various policies we try to let that editor know what is expected of them and what are the consequences of continuing in their actions. That notice was a slow down sign saying go to the talk page to justify your edit and if you dont you may get blocked for edit warring. Tarc already knows this, no warning is needed with him. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 09:04, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

problem user
I left Rm125 a note about the ethnic/national identity references thing. I was going to go straight to filing a report, since he's done it multiple times before,. He's free to his opinions, but he's not free to repeatedly taunt editors who he thinks are Arab and Muslim with his ignorant stereotypes of them.  T i a m u t talk 23:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I didnt really care about the post here, but cross-posting it to an article talk page is a bit annoying. It is a problem his repeated dismissal of other peoples views because he thinks they are Arab Muslims (he apparently does not realize that many, many Arabs are not Muslim and that most Muslims are not Arabs). It is a bit funny when he calls Malik Shabazz an Arab Muslim, considering he is an African-American Jew (self-identified). But thanks Tiamut. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 23:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Funny because you have a great sense of humor, but it's totally provocative. Like the section Talk:Al-Ahram, after you told him you weren't from "Saudi" like a gajillion times, not to mention the collapsed section on his talk page. He's full out harrassing you, and insulting lots of other people along the way, and generally contributing to a combative and unproductive working environment. But apparently, badmouthing A-rabs is okay these days. I see it on the TV every day. We da new niggas bro! That's why he keeps confusing Malik Shabazz with us ;)  T i a m u t talk 23:45, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The comment I just erased that was directed at you probably pissed me off more than anything he wrote about me. If you want to, or want me to, prepare an Arbitration enforcement request let me know. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 00:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Its ironic, accusing me of a "predisposition" to a mentality of "victimhood" - he's seeking Wikipedia martyrdom himself, ignoring the advice given to him. He's chosen to be tendentious and disruptive and its clear he's looking for a WP:BATTLE. Maybe we should ask Mangojuice or someone else familiar with his case to look at it again? Or perhaps its better to go to WP:AE directly?  T i a m u t talk 00:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * And by the way, him referring to Egypt this time pissed me off more. You don't live there, and he was doing it again to provoke. I think he knows you will be more provoked by people picking on me, given that you share the same chivalrous approach to women that User:Nishidani does. :)  T i a m u t talk 00:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think AE may be a bit too soon and I would like to see another person work with Rm125 so he can see why he shouldnt be writing these things. IronDuke made a comment at Rm's talk page that I hope he will take to heart, so I think we should wait a bit to see how he responds. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 00:40, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Your call. You've borne the brunt of time-wasting tactics and harassment so far. I have to say I think you're being a bit too generous, but I understand wanting to WP:AGF. I believe in the fundamental goodness of all human beings and that there is always the potential for revolutionary change.  T i a m u t talk 00:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Honestly I dont think it will be much longer before he makes me regret waiting, but I am willing to wait a bit. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 01:53, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Look Tiamut, I sympatize with you. I know your feeling is real, I don't think you are not sincere. Why do I know? Because I came from the same point sometimes. as a Jew I look for anti Semites on every corner so to speak and frankly I am sure he is the worst kind of anti Semite in the world. But is it true? May be. But may be it is my sensitivity is showing up. Is the feeling real? Yes. Because I personally was harassed and even beaten up for being a Jew. But is it real in every case? Sometimes when peaple are sensitive to samething they overreact. Remember the black man from LA from my example? I couldn't understand why he was angry. Years after, my girfriend -who is black from Alabama- explained this point to me. This is the reason I gave you this example. So the feeling is real but objectively? -this is another story.

--Rm125 (talk) 00:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Look Rm125. I don't think you are sincere. I think you are a WP:TROLL who has been harassing Nableezy for some time now. I think you should back far away from this talk page now.  T i a m u t talk 00:22, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

OK you you don't think I am sincere. I don't hold it against you. Some people are suspisious, so I understand. Try to be more trusting, please. As to "trolling" what do you mean exactly? I looked it up and found this: "Trolling is any deliberate and intentional attempt to disrupt the usability of Wikipedia for its editors, administrators, developers" Why do you think this is applied to me. Can you explain? Are you one of the above and I somehow attempt to disrupt you?--Rm125 (talk) 03:13, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * There is a section in WP:TROLL dealing with why people may call you that and what questions you should ask yourself if it happens. Of couse, it may turn out that I am wrong, and if so, I will apologize. But you should ask yourself whether what you are doing on this talk page at this moment has anything to do with improving articles or not. If the answer is not yes, then you should not be doing it. We all make mistakes sometimes though. So perhaps you have just made an avalanche of mistakes during your short time here, but are heading for a miraculous turnaround. Here's hoping ... I am now going to politely excuse myself from this merry-go-round ride. There is article editing to attend to.  T i a m u t talk 03:42, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Yiamut. please do your homework. Your accusation don't have a basis in reality.All the best--Rm125 (talk) 04:45, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Grrr
I appreciate the caution Nableezy. I was a little boozey and editing pissy. Pretty ridiculous. I'll go make a quick note on the other editors page.Cptnono (talk) 01:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks Nableezy. I appreciate your help in sorting things out.  T i a m u t talk 06:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Kol sinni wa inta salam ya akhi.  T i a m u t talk 18:23, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Snipering
Should somethng be done about A Sniper's canvasing, and if so what?Slatersteven (talk) 16:37, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I dont know, I try not to be vindictive or use the same tactics. But it does piss me off when people use those projects as a way of getting "backup" in arguments instead of what they should be used for, organizing the improvement of relevant articles. Let's see how effective the note he left was and take it from there. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 18:30, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Deleting Independent sources
As you remember we reached a fragile consensus on covering 2009 protest. While we were negotiating on other disputed parts, i.e., the antisemitism part, Paradoxic came back with a long revert. It seems that we cannot resolve the problem when he keep deleting our sources and just want to add the state funded sources. We agreed that both sources should stay, if he insists on deleting our sources, We cannot reach any consensus. Please comment here --WIMYV? (talk) 21:06, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I've left a proposal at Talk:International al-Quds Day for an editing restriction on the article; if you have a moment, your input would be appreciated. <b class="Unicode">r ʨ anaɢ</b> talk/contribs 22:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Gideon Levy
Hello Nableezy. You may be interested in my exchange with Jaakobou regarding well-poisoning edits to this article. Feel free to join in; should I move it to the article talk page? RolandR 15:29, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've seen it (your talk page is on my watchlist), didn't want to butt in though. Up to you if you want to move it to the article talk. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 15:31, 25 September 2009 (UTC)