User talk:Nableezy/Archive 20

About something on your userpage which has nothing to do with diplomacy or its absence
...so are you a fellow Chicagoan? GJC 04:18, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * For life.  nableezy  - 04:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Likewise. An old college roomie repeatedly asks me, from her perch in Los Angeles, "why on earth do you people stay there with all that snow and ice and rain and wind and everything??" Well, aside from the pleasant fact that our homes are HIGHLY unlikely to fall into the sea, there's also a stunning lack of Famous People to annoy us in line at the Starbucks or disrupt our streets by crossing them. (Well, I mean, there is Oprah...but she only closes down major thoroughfares on special occasions.) Anyhow....hello, neighbor! GJC 18:28, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * But it does get cold as fuck. I remember as a shorty there were three straight days where it was -70 or below with the wind chill. Still, I like a place that isnt confused about what season it is, when its football season you know by weather, same with basketball and baseball.  nableezy  - 18:59, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're thinking of that hypothermic nightmare in Jan 1994 (or even the one in Dec 1983) I'm going to go slink off into a corner and be old for a while. If you're thinking of anything before, say, 1970 or so, then I'll continue to pretend I'm a young whippersnapper instead of nearly-40. Regardless of WHICH cold snap you're referring to, I think I'll just be grateful for central heating and the eventuality of Spring--well, except for last year, which was just odd. GJC 18:03, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 94, sorry. I wasn't that young; I knew enough to understand that the three days off in the winter meant three more days of school in the summer. A few years ago in Cairo it got down to the high 30s, and nobody there has heating. Many more years back I was in Alexandria in the winter and the weather was in the high 50s. I took a nap in shorts and a t-shirt, I woke up sweating as my grandmother had piled on top of me three comforters thinking that I was freezing.  nableezy  - 18:10, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The first point of the second star represents the virtues of religion. Clear WP:SOAP violation.  Sean.hoyland  - talk 04:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The rest of the points on all the stars represent the egregious ways in which Da Mare has butchered the innocent English language. Clear violation of WP:SHUTUPRICHIE. GJC 18:28, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Bir Salim
Bir Salim does not have any picture...however, I noticed that the Pal.rem site (link in the article) had several old ones (of orange-groves), from the Matson-collection. And that makes sense, as Khalidi, p370 writes that general Allenby had a military headquarter in the village after WWI...and Matson/American Colony usually photographed things of British/American interest.

Now, my question is, can we take the old pictures directly from the Pal.rem-site? I think it was done for one of the Dayr al-Shaykh-pictures, which was then nominated for deletion, but kept. See.

Anyway, I am not that strong on these technical issues...can I leave this job to you? I really love seeing pictures in articles, hint, hint! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 03:42, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ill take a look, but work is kinda crazy until Wednesday. But Ill see what I can do, and I havent forgotten about Qalunya.  nableezy  - 03:45, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks! There is no hurry; I don´t think I will get around to expanding Bir Salim any time soon, I´m afraid, cheers, Huldra (talk) 03:58, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Drork
My talk page is off your limits. You may not leave messages there, let alone threats. You mafia-like behavior is not appreciated, at least not by me. DrorK (talk) 17:38, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ok, your life, but one more time and I will be asking that you be topic-banned. Every single edit you have made since coming back has been a personal attack. Including the above. I dont really care what you say here, and if you even made an effort to try to address the content I wouldnt mind the attacks as much, but you have done nothing but that since you came back. Grow the fuck up.  nableezy  - 17:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Frivoulous?
Why do you think frivolity would be an issue? The fact that you spend your time here looking for things to complain about would be a problem whether the complaints were well-founded or not. There's an encyclopedia to edit and I want to help you to enjoy doing that. Think of it as being a gift. Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:09, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If the complaints I have filed had merit why should I be restricted from making them? I do wish to edit the encyclopedia, but on occasion there are users that make that impossible. So let's say that I were restricted from making the current complaint, I should have to put up with Drork calling me an anti-Israeli propagandist and worse? I wouldn't be able to respond, NPA and all that. I asked him to stop, he refused and simply continued. What would you have me do in that case?  nableezy  - 11:13, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Nableezy, I don't entirely share Angus's concerns, but I see where he is coming from. If there were many more similar reports in the pipeline, then I think other admins, not just Angus, would be concerned. Perhaps you could advise if you are planning any more similar reports in the near future? PhilKnight (talk) 17:14, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I didnt plan on filing this. I asked Drork multiple times to stop calling me an anti-Israeli propagandist and mafia type thug. If he had stopped I would have left it alone. I would very much like to never file another AE request again, and I have no plans to file another one. But if this same type of thing happens what exactly should I do instead of filing an AE request? If I respond, I get blocked. If I do nothing, this person will continue to insult me and others nonstop, and it was nonstop here. Nearly every single edit he made since coming back was a personal attack directed against me and a few others. You tell me, what exactly should I do when something like this happens. And, as a side note, if you could get Drork to agree to not mention my username again and focus solely on the content, I would be fine with withdrawing this complaint and Drork not having a topic-ban. Im not trying to get my "opponent" blocked, but there are only so many times where I can be insulted before it has to stop or I have to respond.  nableezy  - 17:23, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for explaining. As it happens, Tim Song has already commented on WP:AE that he considers it inadvisable to sanction you for filing actionable reports. PhilKnight (talk) 17:29, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement
Please see here. --Shuki (talk) 22:35, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Your userpage
Well, the discussion appears to have been terminated. So I guess the page stands. I do not believe this needs a WP:MFD, and while I can understand others being unhappy with it, I think it needs to be let be. Dloh cierekim  21:59, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I really dont see how anybody could find a problem with supporting the right to resist against aggression or occupation. If anything people should be complaining about the portion of a song on the page.  nableezy  - 22:18, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * For the record, I do take offense to the lyrics of that song. But it would be much more difficult to get uninvolved people to notice and understand the violent undertones of those Arabic lyrics than it is to notice an English commentary. If admins decided to make you remove the violent lyrics (or you yourself did the right thing), I would be happy. But is it worth it for me to start a fight to try to censor someone who I think supports something disgusting and inhuman? Not really. That's not why I'm on Wikipedia. Breein1007 (talk) 23:22, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll be happy to provide a translation for anybody who asks. Nobody has yet. You may think whatever you like about me, that doesnt really bother me.  nableezy  - 00:34, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * See my comment on Dreadstar's talk in response to his comment on my talk about my comment here. Apparently, others feel as strongly about the soapboxing they perceive on your userpage as you feel about the need to have it. As a neutral observer, I think it's a hair short of "too far." I think it would be better if you could find a way to dial it down a notch or two. I'm not trying to pick a fight here. I do understand where you are coming from, but I honestly believe it's causing anger and resentment-- which you cannot understand it causing-- that could be avoided. Cheers, Dloh  cierekim  22:41, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * What would you have me tone down? That userbox is the only thing on the page that is my own personal opinion.  nableezy  - 22:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't think you're going to make every possible user happy. You might want to remove the Userbox and the three quoted paragraphs. That they are not your words are exactly the point. They serve to inform other users about you-- the purpose of a user page, oh yes. But they go beyond that. They give the appearance of using your userpage as a WP:SOAPBOXto "resist against aggression or occupation." That is probably how people see it as being divisive and soapy. The WP:AN/I discussion is reopened. Dloh cierekim  22:53, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:UP specifically allows for favorite quotes (at least it did, cant find that line now). And if somebody can explain why supporting the right to "resist against aggression or occupation" is "divisive" I might be inclined to remove it. But until somebody can say that being opposed to a war crime is divisive and say why that is so I wont.  nableezy  - 22:59, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Nab, I know you've probably been waiting for me to weigh in here, sorry for the delay... In seriousness, aside from any SOAP or offensiveness concerns, I would make a different argument. Looking at your userpage, and knowing nothing else about you, I would assume you were a rigid POV warrior who would never compromise, and that you were using WP merely to further your political beliefs. My own actual experience of you, however, is quite different. (Well, somewhat different.) I don't see userpages as having really any utility whatever, but if they did, and if I had one, I think I'd use it to make clear to other people I am here to collaborate, not dominate. Yours may give the wrong impression. IronDuke 23:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Finally, I no longer must hold my breath waiting to be graced by your presence. I realize what my userpage shows about my views, but I dont think it says anything about my editing. If somebody wants to make those assumptions about me they are free to do so, but what I write on my userpage is not indicative of what I write in the mainspace. But for the userbox specifically, could you please explain what in it is "objectionable"? I realize the colors may draw some implications, but even then I dont see it as any worse than a userbox saying somebody supports Yisrael Beiteinu or Shas.  nableezy  - 23:22, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * (ec)Well, first off, I'd cheerfully disallow all political userboxes, unless they indicated some sort of personal expertise. Why do I care or need to know if someone supports Shas? Secondly, one of the reasons often given in support of userboxes is "Now we'll know their POV and be able to act accordingly." In essence, an excuse to ignore AGF. Is that how you want to be treated? Finally, you link to the Hizbollah discussion as you indicate a (presumably conditional) support of violence action. Surely you can see, even if you did not mean to give offense, that a reasonable person (an Israeli who had lost someone to a Hizbollah attack, a Lebanese who felt her country was no longer her own) could feel offended by that?  IronDuke  23:30, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose. Would you like me to remove the link to the ANI archive?  nableezy  - 23:41, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It'd be a good start, sure. Maybe change the color to something a little less evocative, too? IronDuke  23:51, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I dont think the alternative would be any more popular.  nableezy  - 00:14, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Give it a shot. What would it hurt? IronDuke  01:10, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I didnt tell you what the alternative was. I dont plan on doing anything with this right now, though Ill kick some ideas around and see if I can figure out how to code an alternative that I would find acceptable, forget what yall think is acceptable. But this whole thing has been highly entertaining; an admin saying truly inane things like comparing others to Neville Chamberlain for appeasing the Nazis, which I suppose means me. I have a soft spot for dumb shit, and I think this whole thing qualifies.  nableezy  - 01:20, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was ignoring that and hoping for something anodyne. AS for "yall," well, I'm not talking about unacceptable, I'm just making a suggestion. It isn't meant as a pile-on, or even a criticism. Sorry if it came off that way. IronDuke  01:22, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It didnt. But you see this shit? Muthafuckas. Somebody on digg had the greatest comment, something about Camel introducing a new Camel Kosher Blend. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 01:27, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been free-basing bacon for years. Glad to see it's catching on. IronDuke  01:30, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Are Yisrael Beiteinu and Shas paramilitary organizations deemed by much of the civilized world as terrorists... whose ideology calls for the obliteration of another state by force... like Hizbullah? Honestly I don't know why I'm even letting myself get tangled in this waste of time. You and I both know that I won't change your mind, so sorry... I'll just be leaving now. Breein1007 (talk) 23:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 6 countries is not "much of the civilized world". But bye, and feel welcome if you would like to waste more of your time. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 23:30, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

This is too funny. Nableezy put that userbox there specifically to annoy another user. He said so himself. That userbox was created specifically to annoy other users, it even explains why in the text. There's no question about it being divisive, it's divisive on purpose. Both the userbox and the page. The only question left is is it ok to have deliberately divisive stuff on your userpage, and apparently the answer is yes. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 23:32, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It is indeed funny. Made only more so by your misconceptions. I had that userbox on my userpage a long time ago, in fact it is still on a subpage that I had transcluded on the user page. You wouldnt be able to see this, I have since deleted my userpage, but a sysop would be able to see that I had that on my userpage years ago. And asserting that it is "clearly divisive" does not make it so. Tell me, do you support war crimes? Is it divisive to say that I dont? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 23:36, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * While I'm sure you feel really clever with this "war crimes" thing, the userbox itself is pretty clear about its being in support of Hizbollah.
 * Are you saying you didn't add it to your page recently because a user (I believe it was cptnono) brought it up in a discussion about one of your wikifriends? No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 00:00, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No. I am not saying that. After seeing another user harassed over this box I put it up here on this talk page. I later took it down. Later, that same user reminded me in a not so subtle way that he is "watching me" so I thought Id give him something to look at and put it up on the userpage. And even if I were to say that I support Hizbullah's right to resist against a war crime that would be objectionable how? The userbox does not say that it supports any action carried out under the banner of resistance against such crimes, but it does say that there is a right to resist against those crimes. It does not say that indiscriminate attacks on civilians fall under that right. The implications that you make from this is similar to me saying that a user saying they support the right of Israel to defend itself is equivalent to that user saying they support barbarous acts of raping and murdering unarmed civilians. Pay attention, because this is important; the way I think is not that simple. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 00:14, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


 * To help you understand a bit clearer, the issues is not about your right to support the right to "resist against aggression or occupation" but rather that you support the 'right' to violently "resist against aggression or occupation" and then you claim that it can mean all people (though you refer to Hezbollah). And since you edit mainly in the I-P conflict, it would seem you support violence from both sides - Palestinians resisting Israelis and Israelis resisting Palestinians. --Shuki (talk) 00:48, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Trust me on this, I dont need any help. Yes, I support the right to violently resist against aggression or occupation. And yes, if Israel were to be occupied by a foreign power or be the subject of aggression I would say Israel has a right to violently resist against such actions. That isnt the case though, so the equivalence that you are drawing is inaccurate. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 00:53, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Shuki, this is complicated stuff. Generally, he supports everyone's right to violently resist aggression. Specifically, he supports Hizbollah doing it but not Israel doing it. Israel is always the aggressor. Pretty complex, eh? No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 08:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not say that. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 12:59, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

<- Middle East Small Talks To Focus On Getting Israel, Palestine To Discuss Weather <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 11:07, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello, Nableezy, I just might want to inform you that your userpage may constitute a Personal attack, and violates Wikipedia policy. Wikipedia userpages are not yours, but part of Wikipedia, and there are certain rules as to what you can and cannot do with them. If you want to express your feelings, go to a YouTube or MySpace or Facebook page. Here, we are here to build an encyclopedia.--RM (Be my friend) 16:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing. But there is nothing on the userpage that could be taken as a personal attack. Bye. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 16:55, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)::Hello, Reenem. I just might want to inform you, but then again, 'I might just not want to inform you.' I really can't make up my mind, and having just reread Hamlet, know what Coleridge was talking about in his famous essay. If you 'just might want' to do something, and then go ahead and do it (as here, illustratively), you display rhetorically an intent, while enacting it so that it is no longer an intent, so that the conditional hypothesis of your grammar is undone by the act, rendering that grammar comical, and the message hence meaningless). Again in part two, you raise an hypothesis ('may'), which means that you yourself are not sure whether Nab's userpage constitutes a personal attack or not, only then to overturn the impression of uncertainty by following this up with 'violates' Wikipedia policy. A conditional statement implies uncertainty, and therefore you cannot follow it up with the use of a verb in thepresent tense ('violates') which maintains that there is no hypothesis, or uncertainty, but to the contrary, the hypothesis ('may') was nothing of the sort. Finally, 'Here, we are 'here' to build an encyclopedia' has a puerile piece of reduplication whose overall effect will be, nil I suspect on Nableezy, but, as a reader of this page, I think it will cause me digestive problems as I sit down shortly to my evening meal. We're here to build an encyclopedee, sure, but not with plasticine and stickytape and cellophane. We build it with words, and logical sentences, and above all, by not trawling through talk pages to upset aged veterans of this wonderful discursive jalopy with pleonastic medleys of ungrammatical, and ill-coordinated syntactic structures. Have a nice day (that's pretty simple to construe). Nishidani (talk) 17:09, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as as to you Nableezy, you scumbag, I'll beat you to it, and tell myself to fuck off.Nishidani (talk) 17:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Were you trying to be a pompous windbag, or did it just come out that way unintentionally? No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 17:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Shakespeare,Merchant of Venice, Act 1,Sc.1, lines,93-4 (2) idem 79-82 (3) idem 'And you embrace th'occasion to depart', which is somewhere in the same scene. And, no, I'm not being what young people call 'anti-semetic', which is a lovely Joyceanism, buy the whey. Nishidani (talk) 17:41, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Were you trying to be an annoying t***? Or is it just natural for you? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 17:39, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I took it as a humorous attempt to sound pompous windbag-like, but, then, I'm not that good at interpreting other people's intentions. Apologies to Nishidani if I was mistaken and he was actually in full earnest.  <span style="font-family: Perpetua, serif; font-size:120%">    ←   ZScarpia  17:51, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah, fuckit, being an Aeolian windbag is not only part of my constitutional identity, my doctor told me the other day that I should cultivate the pompous orotundity of my discursive bags of knick-knackery to assuage the emphysema which will be the companion of my declining, and conjugulated years. No off-hence taken, no ape-ologies re-choired.Nishidani (talk) 18:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Good, good! Have things quietened down a bit over at the Shakespeare authorship question article?   <span style="font-family: Perpetua, serif; font-size:120%">    ←   ZScarpia  18:20, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, they have. I think it's a result of the anti-bronchitis injections my wife administers to me. It puts me in this dopey mood, no, hang on. I'm always in a dopey mood, according to acute critics, so that won't do. Yes, things are quiet, but only because my attempt to get perma-banned from editing that article by insulting behaviour didn't manage to stir an AN/I complaint that might have caused admins to reconsider my exasperatingly loathsome manners more appropriate to a more natural area of conflict, like the old I/P area.Nishidani (talk) 19:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikihow has an article on how not to be annoying. It's quite helpful. I think it's a goldmine for other good articles too. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 17:59, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Your behaviour is probably offensive and disruptive
In all honesty I have been away from WP for a while and I haven't had the time to check out some actual "diffs" yet but I'm pretty confident that's what I'd find. In fairness to me, you make a lot of edits and going through them all would be quite a chore. Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I'm sure that's a pretty safe bet. If you have some evidence to the contrary, I'll be happy to take a look but otherwise you should really apologize and modify your behaviour. Thanks. --JGGardiner (talk) 19:58, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well then, I'll just gather the needed diffs for you so that you can make a formal complaint. For instance, this one time, at band camp, there was this Canadian kid who didnt have any friends. So I made a yellow slushie just for him and told him that we were friends and I would give him a slushie to prove it. When he started to vomit I just laughed and laughed and laughed. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 20:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yet again, Wikihow to the rescue, How to Prevent a Bad Neighbour from Visiting You Without Being Rude. This site really is very useful. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 20:24, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

AE part 2

 * Nableezy, keep on editing any article, regardless of strange rulings, but if you think you are going to rewrite history or "liberate Palestine" through Wikipedia - think again. Wikipedia is all about free exchange of knowledge in order to reach a genuine universally accessible picture of the world. As long as you do that, no one is entitled to impose any restrictions on you. DrorK (talk) 22:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, by all means keep the anti-Israeli stuff on your user page. Don't let anyone intimidate you. I've come around to your side on that. Because in case anyone suspects you of editing with a bias, the evidence will smack them right in the face, they won't have to dig for it. And if you're not editing with a bias, hats off to you for putting wikipedia standards ahead of personal ideology. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You have yet to demonstrate that a single thing on the page is "anti-Israel", much less the more odious "anti-Israeli". Until you can do that, refrain from using those terms. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 01:27, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it consists of complaints about what the evil Israelis have allegedly done to the poor little Palestinians. To me that qualifies as "anti-Israeli". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:36, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The first quote is about well-documented activities surrounding the construction of the West Bank wall, a wall that the International Court of Justice said violated international law as there are large swaths of occupied Palestinian territory being effectively annexed. That story is repeated in multiple Palestinian villages. I cant help you if you read that as "evil Israeli" and what they have "allegedly done to the poor little Palestinians". Most of the second quote is there to set up the last line by Meron Benvenisti, an Israeli Jew who is a former deputy mayor of Jerusalem. And Thomas Friedman is not exactly known as an "anti-Israel" demagogue. How is that "anti-Israeli". I fail to see how the third quote is anti-Israeli either. Just repeating something does not make it proven, but it does prove that you are unable to provide a cogent answer to the question as how it is "anti-Israeli". Bye. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 01:43, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Where are the pictures of Israeli kids wrapped in their flag, mourning the loss of their parents who were just blown to bits by Palestinian suicide bombers? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * How does the lack of those pictures make the page "anti-Israel". If you want to say that it is not sufficiently "pro-Israel" for you feel free, but that doesnt make it "anti-Israel". And do you know what the ratio of Palestinian casualties to Israeli casualties in the conflict is? Do you know the ratio of Palestinian children killed and Israeli children killed? Do you know the ratio of Palestinian children made orphans by the conflict as opposed to Israeli children? Im guessing not. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 01:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're playing a numbers game and comparing ratios, you could post the kind of picture I mentioned and make it a different size, in proportion to that ratio. That might drive home your point better. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That picture would be about .8 pixels. Also, I think that I am relatively "pro-Israel", I like the idea of a democratic state with freedoms unseen in the rest of the Middle East. However, the treatment of the Arab population within Israel would not be tolerated in any other civilized country. And the treatment of those in the occupied territories is something the entire world should be enraged about. You draw these parallels like they mean something, like these retarded "news" shows that think being "neutral" means giving both "sides" equal time. Sorry, but that is just retarded. You dont put some quack screaming about creationism next to an established expert in biology and evolution and say "these two things are 'equal'". There are things in this world that are more complicated than that, but I worry this might be too much to comprehend so Ill stop here. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 02:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Since the middle eastern Arab population is constantly threatening to anihilate the Israelis, it's understandable that the Israelis are a little defensive. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:06, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Really? Do you know how many Israeli government ministers have threatened "cleanse" Israel, and they mean "from the river to the sea", of the Arabs? Do you know when the last time an Arab entity that actually has an army "threatened" Israel? I think we are done here. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 02:11, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Nabeleezy, I'm just dropping by briefly to state that the preceding comment of your is really unfounded. just wanted to mention that. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 15:39, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe, the point though was the idea that there is an equivalence between what the Palestinians have done to the Israelis and what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians is not real. There was probably a better way of saying that though. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 15:51, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * This whole discussion is pretty silly, but I think this one comment of yours is particularly naive Nableezy. What exactly do you call Syria providing Hizbullah with accurate missiles capable of hitting every major city in Israel, and at the same time making comments like "we will 'liberate' Golan in whatever way is necessary"? Seems like threats to me. Breein1007 (talk) 03:36, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I dont call it anything. And I dont have a problem with a Syrian minister saying "If Israel rejects the Arab League peace proposal, resistance will be the only way to liberate the Golan Heights" (thats the only quote I could find similar to yours) but then again I have a userbox that says I recognize the right of all groups to resist occupation. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 03:57, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * is the most recent I was able to quickly find. There are many more where that came from over the years. And of course English translations are not always fully accurate as you are well aware. Anyway, the fact that you don't have a problem with that message (which in itself is a problem) does not change the fact that it's a threat. And yes you're right, your userbox does really make this conversation quite pointless. Breein1007 (talk) 04:04, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I dont know, I see a difference between threatening Israel and threatening to regain occupied territory. But this is probably getting too far into SOAP territory, so, if you wish, you may have the last word. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 04:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes, how well I remember that time in Munich when Israeli athletes took a bunch of innocent Arabs hostage and murdered them. But as long as you don't let your bitterness towards Israel affect your editing, you're good. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:15, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 1972. In just the last ten years over 1200 Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces, the youngest hours after birth. You could have gone with Iraq in 1992, but they never posed any real threat to Israel. Bye. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 02:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Terrorists are well-known for putting children in harm's way. The Palestinians could stop this problem if they wanted to, but it wouldn't serve their end of fomenting hatred for Israel. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:27, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Nuh uh? Do you mean the people who grab random Palestinian children off the street and force them to walk in front of soldiers who hold their guns over the shoulders of those children? Are those the "terrorists" you are talking about? (and there are many more stories like this). Please dont continue this here, especially if you are going to say dumb shit. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 17:07, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Do any of you have a specific complaint or issue about this user's editing of Wikipedia?  pablo <sub style="color: #c30;">hablo. 23:55, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. That is why it is at AE again.Cptnono (talk) 00:03, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe you were asked to leave me alone. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 01:27, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, good luck with that. Why not stick to discussing it there?  pablo <sub style="color: #c30;">hablo. 00:07, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Because he needs to feel special. Dont worry Cptnono, I think youre special. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 01:27, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


 * ''There's not much I can do - fuck-all -,
 * ''To put a word in edgewise, mate,
 * ''With men as they deliberate
 * ''Whether you warrant another fall.
 * ''Sure, fuckit, you'll just wear the rap.
 * But standing by your Galgenweg''
 * ''I lose my cool as lobbies egg
 * ''Our admin on to pull the trap.
 * ''I think of Bossuet's funeral speeches
 * ''What Malraux said of Jean Moulin,
 * ''Pericles too, as they kick your can,
 * ''But, what the fuck? all history teaches
 * ''That the better get the gun,
 * ''That words are useless. Good luck, son.Nishidani (talk) 15:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Chill old man, its all good. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 15:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

familiar smell?
I don´t know about you, but I thought this player "learned the ropes" awfully fast ..this being his very first edit. I smell, lets see,..a name, starting with "S"? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 15:57, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You think? Doesnt seem to be in that users nature to sock, and I dont know that user would be all that interested in pushing that bullshit in the pan-Arabism article. Maybe though, but not enough evidence for a CU. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 15:59, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw the user too and wondered what the official way was to get an admin to notify them about the sanctions and log it without contacting a specific admin ? ANI ? It needs to be done. I assumed they were just making edits to provoke edit warring. Call me cynical. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 16:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I will call you realistic ;) I´m not editing that much in the most contested areas, so I am (luckely) not that familiar with the worst POV-pushers...but there have been a few such "new" players around lately; here is another. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:36, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know that one. I think an edit to a certain SPI page will be in order once there is some more evidence. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 17:08, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

You probably already know this,
but Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents Dloh  cierekim  01:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and yes I did. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 01:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I know! But for me: not before 14:40 today, even with 3 RR, sorry :( Huldra (talk) 01:17, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Banleezy was pretty funny. He should be unblocked for that. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 03:42, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I was going to reply to that and say "Bad Banleezy! Ban Banleezy!" <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 03:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm disappointed that the allegations regarding your membership of the Chicago mafia haven't been fully exploited. I'm thinking 'Nab "no falafel" Lezzy', things like that. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 12:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Qalunya
Hi Nab; I see that an Arabic wp version has been linked to Qalunya, and it has some new (and old) photos uploaded on that page. They don´t seem to be over at commons? ..I would love to see them there, if possible. Could you help me? (Hope you understand Arabic: I don´t even know the letters...) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ill check to see which ones can be moved to commons. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 20:26, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Any of them in particular or try to get all of them? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 20:30, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * As many as possible! I´ll make a commonscat..Huldra (talk) 20:37, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Qalunya
 * All right, most of those images should qualify as PD but I need to check to see what has to be done to actually move them. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 21:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. There is no hurry; there is already a picture in the article for now. I hope to expand it later, and then it would be very nice to have. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:16, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Let me just make sure those that I have listed as PD really are, then Ill upload what I can. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 04:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ar:ملف:Pq99.jpg is from palestineremembered which doesnt identify the source but says it was taken in 48 which makes it PD under the Mandate laws (I think). (already on commons, File:Qalunya.jpg)
 * ar:ملف:Pq3.jpg is also taken from pr, but the picture itself says it is of students of a class in 1920. so that should be fine as well (uploaded File:Qalunyastudents1920.jpg)
 * ar:ملف:P77.jpg is also from pr which identifies it as an image from 1893, so this should be fine (previously uploaded to commons as commons:File:Pq1.jpg and deleted as an image without a license, have requested undeletion (restored as File:Pq1.jpg.
 * ar:ملف:Pq11.jpg is also from pr. Whatever is posted on PR remains the copyright of their owner, and there is nothing there that says that this is released under a free use license so this cannot go on commons.
 * ar:ملف:Pq6.jpg same thing, cant go up
 * ar:ملف:حض88.jpg same thing cant go up
 * ar:ملف:Pq5.jpg screenshot from google, cant go up

Ah, excellent. I had hoped some of the modern ones could also be uploaded, but still, you just tripled my optios..;) Oh, and I made a http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Bir_Salim for you..Cheers, Huldra (talk) 15:12, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement topic ban (WP:ARBPIA)
Nableezy, this is to inform you that, in application of WP:ARBPIA, you are banned from editing articles related to the Arab-Israeli conflict for two months, as described in this AE thread.  Sandstein  19:16, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, but I am going to revert vandalism where I see it (though I will restrict myself to blatant vandalism) and if an admin wants to block me for that they can. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 19:18, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * "Reverts of vandalism and BLP violations are not excluded from this ban" --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw that, but I dont really care. I wont revert BLP vios as there can actually be an argument about that, but if I see blatant vandalism I will revert it, block or not. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 19:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * So you're able to contribute to decision making discussions, article monitoring etc but you don't have to do any of the actual work to implement the decisions and police the articles. That doesn't benefit anyone but you. It would be better to do something like every edit you make in the I/P conflict area has to be matched by 5 edits outside the area for a month or 2. Everyone a winner. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 19:36, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about this, Nab. If I´m online; feel free to give me a note, and I will look at it, ok? Cheers, & take care, Huldra (talk) 19:37, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * (ec) I believe you when you say that you will Nableezy, so we're just gonna have to set up an early warning system, and catch these vandalism and revert before you do. ;) I second Huldra on that. Cheers. Yazan (talk) 19:40, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yupp; we should demand that Nab gives us his "watch"-list...Then Yazan takes the night-shift, and I´ll take the day-shift..Huldra (talk) 19:51, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The guys that you would have to look out for are the ones looking for a convenient way of getting you re-banned. You'd be handing them a great gift if you edit yourself rather than heading to a noticeboard.  <span style="font-family: Perpetua, serif; font-size:120%">    ←   ZScarpia  20:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh my god, they killed Nableezy. You bastards! Anyway, enjoy the break, even though it's been forced on you, and I can think of several others who need taking out rather than you. It's nearly summer after all, even in Chicago. As I always say, some authority - such as it exists here - really needs to take a comprehensive and proper look at the topic area and sort out some ground rules and an enforceable consensus on some of the underlying issues rather than constantly just resorting to wiping out individual contributors, good as well as bad. The good ones are lost, and the bad ones just get replaced or reappear with a new username. It's usually the simpler stuff anyway that causes all the trouble, over and over again.  N-HH   talk / edits  17:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Really, this is fine, I dont mind at all. I aint even going to be here for a large chunk of the time off, heading out to Egypt this week. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 18:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Lucky you! (It snowed here, earlier today). ...Is there any chance you will find time to fix my pictures before leaving? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 19:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I will work on it today. Sorry about the delay, <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 19:22, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Glad your ban is good for something! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 19:25, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Who knows, I might get blocked for that too. Sandstein did cite ARBPIA in a deletion on commons, maybe he thinks I cant do anything there either. We'll see though. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 19:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I´ll ask him; please wait, Huldra (talk) 19:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, according to Sandstein: "Any restrictions on this project do not apply to Wikimedia Commons". ...so get working ;) Huldra (talk) 19:43, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

If you're looking for work to do, you might check out Joseph Seligman. Almost all of the work there is mine, but the article needs expanding. Been meaning to get back around to it for a long time. IronDuke 20:16, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose I owe you that, I'll do what I can. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 20:54, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That trip should rightly be paid by wikipedians grateful for the intense, scrupulous work you have done in an area which is almost impossible to work serenely and productively in. But justice is not of this the world (and the next doesn't exist). I hope, if I haven't offended you, that you may find time to check out the areas where Mafouz's Cairo trilogy is set, even Naguib Mahfouz's house, and the environs of Constantine Cavafy, for photos that could be put into wikipedia commons for those articles. But, if that's too much trouble, forget it. Enjoy your holidays, habibi (in the sense I heard a Palestinian busdriver use it, calling out to a friend of his at Lod airport).Nishidani (talk) 21:23, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hell yeah, give me some money goddamit. Will try to get some pics, time permitting. The Chicagoan in me has never been a fan of the Arab use of such phrases; with my friends we usually exchange insults rather than terms of endearment. But thanks. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 23:28, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * "'with my friends we usually exchange insults rather than terms of endearment',"
 * Envoi for Nabsleezy
 * Piss off, then, mate, get fucked, pal, scram.
 * You’ve bored us shitless all these years.
 * High-tail it to some dump where ‘cheers’
 * Are spat at mugs forced on the lam.
 * Ram that gittish cool of yours
 * Fair squarely up your coit as well.
 * And while you cool your heels a spell,
 * Reflect that wimps betray the cause.
 * Retool your ID, then, get tough,
 * And learn to play the great game so
 * In edits, trading blow for blow,
 * ''You show’em all you cut up rough.'
 * So when you get back here, you’ll cop
 * A perma-ban, you oafish wop. Nishidani (talk) 09:31, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

If you're going to be away, let me wish you a Happy 4/20 in advance. --JGGardiner (talk) 06:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Also I looked in my desk drawer and found a 2000 Vietnamese đồng note. It has an enchanting picture of 4 women working in a textile production factory with some trip hazards, no emergency shut off switchs and no visible fire exit signs. I can stick in the post if you like. I think it's about 10 US cents so it should get you started. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 06:36, 19 April 2010 (UTC) ...and before you ask, yes, they do have hairnets, duh. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> Sean.hoyland  - talk 06:46, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Sigh! Last one out, turn of the lights. Zerotalk 07:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to see you temp. topic-banned. While we are not always on the same "side" of an issue, I appreciate your contributions and respect the honesty with which you argue your positions.  Enjoy your "time off" from the I/P conflict and have a safe trip. BTW, I'm sure there are some Egypt-related Wikipedia articles in need of photos (hint hint) :-)  Regards -- nsaum75 ¡שיחת! &lrm; 07:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)