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A belated welcome!
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Again, welcome! Aristophanes 68  (talk)  15:58, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Leonardo da Vinci
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia!

I notice that you've been welcomed and given cookies and direction to the various useful pages. OK!

Here's the first hard lesson on editting Wikipedia! I just deleted your addition to Leonardo da Vinci and I'm here to explain why.
 * One of the rules is "No Original Research".
 * Another one is "No Personal Opinion".
 * Now, it may not appear obvious that either of these rules were breached, but it's like this:
 * It is apparent that the two men became close friends, because, despite Salai's thievery and other petty crimes, he was mentioned in Leonardo's will upon the master's death.
 * You have linked Salai's recorded behaviour (theivery and petty crimes) to the fact that he was mentioned in the will using the word "despite". But you have taken it a step further and drawn a conclusion from these two facts.
 * Your conclusion is that "the two men became close friends".


 * The problem here is that you have used to facts and introduced your own personal conclusion of what these facts indicate. Actually, there is no indication that the sixty year old painter became "close friends" with the young man who shortly after Leonardo's death, died as the result of a duel.
 * What we can state is that Leonardo left Salai half a vineyard and the Mona Lisa. That is already dealt with in the article.
 * There is another fact that is stated: that Salai remained in Leonardo's household.

One of the ways in which opinions can be stated is to quote, or cite, a source that indicates the point that we want to put across. Biographers have offered two opinions as to the sort of relationship that Leonardo had with Salai. The most common opinion is that Leonardo had a loving "Master/pupil" relationship with Salai and Melzi. The other opinion is that from the time that Salai was in his teens, he was Leonardo's young lover. This opinion is not new. It was suggested by a writer about 30 years after Leonardo's death, in a "mock interview". A lot of people have recently looked for evidence of this, but there is nothing conclusive. Other people, including Sigmund Freud, have concluded that Leonardo's sexuality was repressed.

Because these opinions have been offered by established authors, whether we agree with them or not, they can be quoted in the article, where our own opinions or well-drawn conclusions cannot.


 * Another point: It always pays to read the whole article and see if the bit that you are considering adding is already there. In this case, the will was already mentioned where it was relevant chronologically.

Hang in there and don't be discouraged! It can take a little while to get used to the rules.

Amandajm (talk) 19:10, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

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Nomination of Down Under the Big Top for deletion
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Proposed deletion of He's Coming Back


The article He's Coming Back has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Clearly fails WP:NALBUMS.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:55, 10 May 2014 (UTC)