User talk:Nadav1/Archives/August 2006 - April 2007

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balfouria
לפחות תמחוק את הדיון המטומטם בערך בלפוריה. לזה באמת אין חשיבות!

Spelling
Sheesh, I mixed up effect and affect. Thanks for fixing it on Israel-Venezuela relations. Sandy 14:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the comment, nadav. I have had to be exceedingly tolerant, patient, vigilant, and persistent (and this occurs across a large number of Chávez articles); I'm glad to know the problem is noticed.  That cheers me up, although I have little hope that anything can be done about this tendentious editing and cleansing of Chavez criticism.  Your comment is very much appreciated. Sandy 14:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Ignore All Rules
Hello! I noticed your comment on the ignore all rules page today.

There's a game called Nomic which was specifically invented to show how having self modifying hard rules can be a really dangerous thing, and can cause the nomic to come to a deadlock or halt.

The Wikipedia: namespace resembles a Nomic much too much to be comfortable.

The key to prevent that kind of situation is Ignore All Rules, which makes it possible to sidestep the rules for a moment so that we can make them work again.


 * Two answers today :-)
 * No matter how many rules you do or do not have, it's quite essential that your system keeps working. No matter how well crafted you think your rules are, if they cause a deadlock (oops, not so perfect after all), you're going to need a tool to fix that. Were you already aware that a well documented application of ignore all rules can fulfill the role of such a tool? What's your opinion on that? Do you know of any other tools that might be used?
 * Your assumption of how the wiki works is not entirely correct. Most editors do not edit most pages most of the time. There's links to a pair of graphs on my user page, see if you can find them (else ask). Based on those wikistatistics, we typically have small groups of people (1-10) working on articles of a couple of K a piece. It would simply be crazy to have each editor slog through 100K of rules, just to make a 500 byte change each. ;-) And yet that's what some people expect. Is this information new to you? Do you have a different opinion?


 * Kim Bruning 21:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Substituting
When giving warning templates, please remember to substitute them. So for example put, not. Thanks. JoshuaZ 19:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Balfouria again
Another anon (who looks to me like a different editor) has made further edits. I can't tell at a glance whether they are ok although it looks to me like the user may be pushing for a lack of mention of Arab-related geography issues there. If you could take a look I'd appreciate it. JoshuaZ 12:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Traudlhead.jpg
It was still ambiguous as to whether that image could be claimed as public domain. When it is ambiguous, I always err on the side of caution and delete. How did the uploader get this image? Did it come from the web or scanned from an archive? There is not enough summary to support the source of this image and citations to prove it would be public domain under German Law. I have restored the image with a PUI tag. If you can improve the source and tagging, then please do, otherwise, it will be deleted again. -Thanks, Nv8200p talk 13:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note - As I recall I scanned it from the book "Until the final hour" The picture was her Russian occupied sector identity card picture. Also I believe that this has no copright implications anyway

Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 06:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Issai Schur
I greatly expanded your translation of the article on Schur in the Heb-Wiki, so you might want to have a look there. Thanks for making the first step... Uzi V. 21:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Shuli Nathan
Curious why you removed notabiity template on Shuli Nathan's Web page. Many in Israel and the Jewish community world-wide know and admire her, in part because of Jerusalem of Gold, which had tremendius impact concerning Israel after the Six Day War. (I think highly of her also because she is a very nice person ...)Emesz 19:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, they do. That's why I don't understand your question? She is quite notable, so why would we need this template that questions her notability? I do hope the article will be expanded. nadav 22:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry - thought you removed a note marking Shuli Nathan as a notable Israeli singer. Didn't realize you removed it. I also hope the article is expanded.Emesz 20:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Barnstars are not even enough to express your monumental achievement of bringing it even this close to FA. It was a herculean task. BTW, do you think I made a mistake in offering these rewites to the lead? A lot of support has already coalesced around your nice version, and now I think maybe it would have been better to let the opposition die down. I hope I didn't mess things up... nadav 01:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * My biggest worry is that it will fuel the this article is not stable fire. --  tariq abjotu  01:14, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

קטגורית אנשי עסקים יהודים

 * אוקיי, סליחה על האשמה המהירה-מתנצל. מעבר לכך נדב, רצוי שתדע, אני מניח שאתה בעצם כבר יודע, שהרבה מאלו שבעד מחיקה אינם באים ממניעים טהורים כמו שלך-אלא הם פשוט אנטישמים. מה לעשות , התופעה המכוערת הזאת לא חלפה מהעולם וגם לא מויקיפדיה. מעבר לכך , אם תתעמק בנושא אני חושב שתוכל למצוא קשר די חזק בין יכולת עסקית למוצא היהודי-וזאת בשל ההיסטוריה המיוחדת של היהודים, הגבלתם למקורות עיסוק שונים וכ"ו -יהודים ניחנים באופן יזמי ולא הכל מדיד. מה רע בלבנות קטגוריה כזאת , גם אם אין קשר שניתן להסביר בין יהודים לכישורים עסקיים (אבל יש מתאם סטטיסטי) -לא הוגן שידונו בקטגוריות של אנשי עסקים באופן נפרד. כלומר, אם למישהו יש בעיה עם זה שיש קטגוריה של אנשי עסקים יהודים-אז צריך למחוק את כל הקטגוריות שמחלקות אנשי עסקים לפי מוצא אתני ודתי ולא אחת אחת.אבל זה לא כל כך אפשרי , למשל , אנשי עסקים מוסלמים הם לרוב כאלו שעשו את כספם בנפט או לבנונים שהתבססו היטב בדרום אמריקה ובמרכזה-ולהצלחה שלהם כנראה יש קשר לתרבות הלבנונית עצמה (זוהי הצלחה פנומנלית כולל איש עסקים מקסיקני ממוצא לבנוני שעומד להעיף את ביל גייטס מהצמרת) או הפרוטסטנטים (ביל גייטס נמנה עליהם באופן רשמי) שעיקרון בדת שלהם קובע שמי שהאל אוהב אותו מצליח כלכלית-זוהי תפיסה נוצרית שמעודדת חריצות , ועוד.ככה שאמנם אין נימוק של אחד לאחד לא למחוק את הקטגוריה של אנשי עסקים יהודית , אבל גם ההפך.--Gilisa 07:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

אני חושב שאתה טועה מכמה סיבות : 1.התקפלות אינה הדרך הנכונה, והניצחון רק מגביר את התיאבון של הצד התוקף. אם מחר נמחק כל זכר ליהדותו של איינשטיין כי זה מפריע לכמה אנטישמים, מחרתיים גם ניתן מקום לדיון "אקדמי" אם הייתה שואה או , עוד שבוע נכתוב שאמינות השואה שנויה במחלוקת , עוד חודש נמחוק את הערך כליל לאחר הצבעה דמוקרטית.אני לא אומר להתעקש סתם על דברים-אבל שאין סיבה טובה למחוק , אז צריך להיות תקיפים , תאמין לי שזה מפחית אנטישמיות ולא מגביר אותה -מניסיון וממחשבה נטו. 2.לגבי אי אמינות של הקטגוריה -אפשר לבקש למחוק מהקטגוריה אנשים שהם "חצי יהודים " (כלומר, לפחות כאלו שלפי ההלכה היהודית אינם יהודים) -אני אישית בעד להכניס לקטגוריה "יהודי" רק מי שהינו יהודי שלם , זה חוסך מחלוקות ונראה אמין יותר-אחרת לא ניתן לייחס בבטחה את ההישגים למוצא עצמו.מעבר לכך , רק אנשים שיש מקור אמין יוכנסו לקטגוריה-כך שצריך לעשות ניקיון אבל לא למחוק את הקטגוריה.3. מהיכרות עם כמה ויקיפדיה שעורכים יהודים -וגם אני ,מחשיבים לאנטישמים, רוב הפעמים הניסיון הוא למחוק ולא להוסיף , ואגב , בניגוד למה שאתה חושב-רק אנטישמים מורעלים קשות מתרגזים ושונאים יותר שהם רואים כמה היהודים תרמו לעולם , היתר מתרשמים.4. הטענה כאילו הכנסת יהודים לקטגוריות מסכנת אותם-מאוד לא מקובלת, בוא ונסגור את הבסטה -נכריז שאנחנו לא יהודים יותר וזהו.5. עצם העובדה שאדם נולד לעם היהודי והפך לאיש עסקים מצליח, גם אם חונך על ברכי דת אחרת, עדיין אומרת משהו-אם זה גנטי , אם זה תרבותי ואם זה שניהם-עם מצליחן וזה יפה. אגב, ויטגנשטיין ,אחד מגדולי הפילוסופים של המדע בכל הזמנים-היה לא יהודי ע"פ ההלכה, ואביו היה מומר, בכל זאת שנחשף לדמיון שבין סוג הטיעונים הלוגיים שבהם השתמש לבין התלמוד (שבו איני מבין הרבה) אמר שכנראה התרבות היהודית טפטפה באופן עקיף שלא הוא ולא בני משפחתו שמו לב אליו. יש אפילו כתב עט די מפורסם (פסיכיאטריה טרנס תרבותית -כתב עט אמריקני) שסוקר אינספור דרכים ומקרים שבהם דברים כאלו קורים, כך שלטעון שמחיקה היא הפתרון הנכון-תרשה לי לפקפק בכך. כל טוב, --Gilisa 10:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

אין טעם להמשיך את הוויכוח כי נראה שהחלטת, אבל כמה נק' חשובות: אנשי עסקים יהודים קצת יותר משפיעים וחשובים מיהודים שיודעים לעשות עמידת ראש, למעשה , עד כמה שאני יודע עוצמת של חברה נמדדת לפי ערכי המוסר שלה ומפותחות התרבות הרוחנית שלה, יכולתה המדעית ועוצמתה הכלכלית , טען אותי אם אני טועה.לשאלה אם מישהו רוצה שיכניסו אותו לקטגוריה או לא-אין ערך ממשי. הרשימות של הנאצים לא ישנו כהוא זה במידה וחלילה תתחולל שואה שניה וממילא לא תסיט אנשים טובים לרצח יהודים או לא יודע מה.ולגבי קרטיריוני הכלה: אפשר לבקש שרק מי שבא יהודי מבית (ולא גוייר וכ"ו) יוכנס לרשימה. לא משנה, אלו רק נק' לא מהותיות.--Gilisa 15:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

USP
See NUS Scholars Programme and help to controll them. -- RHaworth 20:21, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Egged
Hi Nadav, The reason that I removed the Egged reference is because I moved it to its entry, and since this isn't really a disputed assertion, we should probably follow the general convention of minimising the repetition of referencing. Cheers,  Tewfik Talk 00:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello. Yes, that's a good convention, but I believe it should be applied to each article on its own.  Otherwise, people looking at the article don't know that the statement is sourced.  We could also just remove the statement about Egged, which isn't too relevant. nadav 00:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Jerusalem
It wasn't from Dr. Seuss; the sources is much older: And the Cat Came Back. Jayjg (talk) 21:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, well in that case it was good edit summary then. nadav 00:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Translation Request
Hello there... I'm in the process of redesigning my user page (User:Tariqabjotu/Redesign) and I wanted to have the first paragraph of my user page ("Tariqabjotu ... November 2006") translated into Hebrew. I realize you have the en-0 template on your page, but your English seems a lot better than that, so I thought I'd ask you. There are a few links in the text that might help you out, just in case. If you are willing and able to provide a translation, that would be great (respond here or on my talk page or wherever). Otherwise, that's fine too; just tell me. --  tariq abjotu  09:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll gladly do it, as I do enjoy translation. I am supposedly on wikibreak (oy what a sad joke), so I'm not sure when itll be done. nadav 09:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC) Oh, and the en-0 template is an inside joke.  nadav 09:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Done faster than I expected. By the way, you're my neighbor. I live in Rockville.

nadav 09:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for the translation; I have since added it to my user page. One thing I did notice was that it looks like there might be an error. I don't know Hebrew, but it seemed like on of the links should go to המכון הטכנולוגי של מסצ'וסטס, instead of מכון הטכנולוגי של מסצ'וסטס. Am I correct about that? --  tariq abjotu  04:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Jerusalem congestion
Nadav, the sentence as it is doesn't make sense. The traffic in East Jerusalem is NOT more congested than West Jerusalem, so I concluded that it must be the pollution that is higher. Personally, I doubt it...but someone apparently claims so, and has brought a source to back it up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gilabrand (talk • contribs) 11:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Answered on your page. nadav 11:23, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Right-justified text
Should I notify voters on the last FAC that the FAC has been restarted? More importantly, don't you think the Hebrew and Arabic text on your user page would look nicer right-justified? nadav 16:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Notifying !voters from the last FAC would probably be a good idea. About the Hebrew and Arabic text... it looks right-justified to me. I haven't used Internet Explorer recently, so I'm not sure how it looks there. And I'm at school too, so I don't have the option of downloading it here. I'll be home in a few hours and check. --  tariq abjotu  18:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Century High
I hope your requesting the deletion of my page is not because its a Christian school. ==Gevo2267== —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gevo2267 (talk • contribs) 06:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC).
 * No, I have nothing against religious schools at all. I outlined my reasons for the deletion nomination at the following link: Articles for deletion/Century High School of Santa Monica. Please respond there if I have acted in error, and if you can, please refer to reliable sources about the school. nadav 06:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

If you'd read what i have written in the same box where you requested my pages deletion you'd understand more. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gevo2267 (talk • contribs) 06:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

Apology accepted! Im currently looking online for a site that lists all the Armenian Christian School! There are a few sites but not for the area. I understand why your so protective. Wikipedias one of my most visited sites and im glad it dosent have a bunch of adds for companys.

Does having your school name in an Armenian Website work for notability?

I found one http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Armenian_Education#Armenian_High_Schools
 * Umm...where to begin. First Wiki sites are not considered reliable. See Reliable sources/examples. Moreover, I checked who added the school's entry in the page history, and found that it was added suspiciously recently, with a timestamp of 06:52, 26 April 2007 by a person who had not contributed anything else to that project. nadav 07:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I told my cousin about what was going on hes always on that site. He probably made it so the page he made wouldent get deleted. I have a question how do u make on of those boxs with text? Also how do u check timestamps?

iM SORRY nADAV1. IM STILL NEW TO WIKI. IT THOUGH YOU WERE SUPPOSE TO DELETE WHAT YOU WROTE ON OTHER PEOPLE PAGES. THAN HOW DO U KEEP YOUR PAGE FROM BEING FILLED WITH RANDON MEDIA?

Thank you very much Nadav. I found out a lot more about my school. such as my teachers don't prefer saying the whole name to my school. Though this is only my first post its surly not my last. Im going to make one for the graphics company i work for. they have a few web sites so it works for notability. Well Nadav it was a pleasure talking to you for this past few days. I hope we can continue discussing articles n wiki. Thanks again. Gevo2267 2-28-07 9:14pm (PST)

Thank 4 deleting my page i appreciate it. Gevo2267 2-28-07 11:21PST

homeopathy template
Hi Nadav1, Please let me know exactly what you mean about the homeopathy template so we can do it. Abridged talk 12:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I did it. I'm not sure how to now put the directions on the project page.  Shabbat Shalom, Abridged talk 18:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

SIPO
Thanks for your efforts on the SIPO page! Much appreciated! Whiskey in the Jar 15:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. BTW, the title is long. I'm thinking maybe we can shorten the title to be without "people's republic of china"? nadav 15:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

It is done! Whiskey in the Jar 06:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Les Variations
Not that I am aware of. I recently became aware of them and bought their Moroccan Roll CD from Amazon. If you like Seventies rock, it is good. I am trying to find some of their other music as well - seems to be available on a Russian music site, but I am not sending my CC info there. They have an interesting history, and a storied present. Two of the band members turned to more Jewish religious lifestyles at the expense of what could have been a successful music career. I almost wish that they could have turned their rock into a style like Piamenta or Matisyahu, keeping their traditions, yet using their talents to their fullest.

You should buy the CD. You'd like it. Thanks for making it look nicer. Good work. Juda S. Engelmayer 14:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: small token
Thanks a lot for the barnstar; I have added it to my userpage. I was going to request a Main Page appearance on May 16, Jerusalem Day, but that looks like it's getting a bit crowded. I think I may go with June 7 to mark the fortieth anniversary of the re-unification of Jerusalem (Jerusalem Day according to the Gregorian calendar) and the 908th anniversary of the beginning of the Siege of Jerusalem. I don't think I'll have trouble pushing atheism out of that spot. --  tariq abjotu  17:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha. Looks like you really have it thought out! I can't wait to see it featured on the main page. nadav 17:32, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

MDS antics
Hello Nadav. How would you feel about leaving the articles and talk pages unprotected until the AfD concludes? That would give time for people who are afraid of revealing themselves publically to put in their two cents. One of the recent posters may in fact be the son of the inventor, so he might have helpful information to add. EdJohnston 00:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I strongly disagree. I don't think this is the place to air grievances (which are bordering on libel! in particular this stuff about the Kuwaiti owner). We have sources for writing an article, and we should just ignore stuff we don't have sources for. We don't need to involve ourselves in arguments between the two parties.  Keep in mind this is a multimillion dollar case, and Wikipedia is not a battleground. BTW, I am now writing up the history of the Northlight v. MDSI & MDSA case. I'm basing it mostly off the Federal circuit court opinion, with a smattering of the the other sources I found.  I want to include more stuff about MDSI, but as you saw, it was mostly French. nadav 00:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello Navdav, first of all, there is no multimillion dollar court case anymore. I am the CEO of MDSA and I can assure that we are suing no one and MDSI does not have either the resources and since they did not pay their cousel in the US in the last case, they would be hard pressed to sue anyone here as they can not hire representation.
 * I have done what I can to counter libelous allegations against Sh. Ali and he is unaware of them at this time. He truly is a great man and visionary world leader who champions liberal causes inthe Middle East. This sometimes make him a target and I am protective of my friend and benefactor.
 * We were the largest shareholder of MDSI as well as MDSA so in actuality we viewed both companies as one organization. That is why the "son of the CEO of MDSI" is working for MDSA. We are aware that WIkipedia is NOT responsible for the drivel jeanclauduc puts on this great experiment and I can assure you that His Excellency will not consider Wikipedia responsible either. For all of the bluster and threat of the other side, Wikipedia is not in any legal danger here. Be well. PS (I used to liive in Atarot. Do you know it? )65.2.150.213 01:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * One other question. What part ofthe MDS America article is disputed?65.2.150.213 01:05, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello and thanks for your reassurances about the legal issue. The stuff I am writing now only covers things discussed in the court opinion, with some additional things gleaned from the things that were published. The standards on Wikipedia ask only for secondary sources (see WP:V).  I will not add or subtract anything from what has already been published.  I must admit I am surprised that nothing has appeared in print yet concerning the recent case. As it is, I'm leaving it out for now. Anyways, I am still waiting to hear from administrators about this issue and for more editors to weigh in. Shalom, nadav 01:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

The disputed issue there is whether it is correct not to mention MDSI at all in connection with Hypercable or MVDDS. nadav 01:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I can certainly see how the MVDDS might be under dispute but there is no mention of HyperCable in the MDS America article. MVDDS is a purely american acronym signifying a spectrum band (12.2 - 12.7 GHz) that is different in other places in the world. If you read the Contempt of Court article, it clearly states that MDSI is prohibuted from dealing in the US. They might make a system similar to MVDDS but the don't make MVDDS systems. I would ask you if you could remove the disputed tag from MDS America article Toda raba! 65.2.150.213 02:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Your Hebrew seems quite good! I think you misunderstood me; I was not implying anything whatsoever about whether MDSI is allowed to sell the technology in the US. I know it cannot.  After more review, I changed the tag to a POV one.  There is no incorrect fact there that I can tell, but I do feel that the article portrays MDSA in a somewhat preferential light. The statement "MDSA's innovative technology is a high-speed Multi-channel Video Distribution and Data Service (MVDDS) system created by MDSAmerica" is iffy. The phrase " Northpoint Technology Ltd., a company set up primarily to lobby the FCC and Congress for free RF spectrum" is very dismissive. The quote from Mr. Kreig appears inappropriately right in the lead. The sentence "The unique design of the transmitters and antennas facilitates an exceptionally pure radio frequency signal that allows transmission of video and data at very high speeds over long distances. " sounds scripted. nadav 03:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the change. Really my Hebrew sucks just picked up from living in Israel; my Yiddisch is much better. However I think I can substantiate the Northpoint claim or at least " Northpoint Technology Ltd., a company many people believed was set up primarily to lobby the FCC and Congress for free RF spectrum" See this McCain for example. I will find more. 65.2.150.213 18:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)