User talk:NadirAli/Archive 1

Re:How do I post edited Articles.
I'm not exactly sure, but you have contributed to a few articles as seen here. Your edits are indeed being saved. I'm guessing that perhaps instead of clicking the "save page" button below, you might have clicked the "show preview" button? Is there any special article on which your edits were not saved? Did you check the article's history (by clicking the history button on top)? Perhaps someone must have reverted your edits. Please let me know. -- thunderboltza.k.a.D e epu Joseph

Welcome
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1 week block
You have been blocked from editing Wikipedia  as a result of your . You are free to make constructive edits after the block has expired, but please note that vandalism (including page blanking or addition of random text), spam, deliberate misinformation, privacy violations, personal attacks; and repeated, blatant violations of our neutral point of view policy will not be tolerated.

While I would have been only too happy to discuss the issue with you, I saw your comments on user talk:Nobleeagle and find that you have made gross violations of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL by making accusations and insulting remarks about other editors. Please use this block to cool off and come back a more civil editor. Rama's arrow 20:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

unblock request
Ramma's Arrow is a biased admin who has unjustly blocked 3 users and engaged in several edit wars.I wish to be unblocked so i can provide my evidence against Ramma's Arrow and his associates.User Fowler&fowler is already posting good evidence against this disruptive "administrator" and I wish to help provide him with more accuarate evidence.Nadirali 03:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You can paste the evidence right here while you are waiting for the unblock appeal to be heard. Also, you are blocked directly, please use unblock. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay.This may take a while,but I'm now in the process of slowly posting the evidence here.Nadirali 03:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC) [deliberately linking Pakistan to religious fanaticism,offending other users][telling unjustly blocked user wikipedia is not a battle ground.]while speaking of [a need to retaliate] on Folwer&fowler's talkpage.[warned by close associate that unjustified block may be dangerous]. [edit wars with another user he unjustly blocked and continues to edit war,now against Fowler&fowler.][Fowler&fowler testifies].[other admins disagree with length of blocks].[other admins agree the length is too long.]RA's associates [compare us to Nazis]


 * Note that you are not blocked by Rama's Arrow, you are blocked by Shanel. --Yamla 04:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I was REBLOCKED by Shanel.I was using my unblocked IP to provide Fowler&fowler with evidence which he is currently posting on WP:ANI.I was then re-blocked for "evading my block".I am still not yet finished posting my evidence here.I request other admins do not post yet for the next 15-20 minitues.It only creates an edit conflict and I loss precious evidence.Nadirali 04:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC) [offensive edit summeries by associate of RA.]Note:the "Pakistani textbooks" are used by terrorists in Pakistan to recruit followers and are extremely offensive when the Indian users use the "Pakistani texbook" remarks. [RA now accuses Fowler&fowler(or anyone who disagrees)of being "incivil":His same "reason" for blocking me and 2 other users.] Please check the top of this discussion page where Fowler&fowler left a message about Ramma's arrow.Nadirali 04:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC) His denial of an Indian cabal can easily be proved wrong by checking the history dozens of articles such as [this one.]More offesnsive ["textbook comments"]. Please ask User:Islescape for more evidence which he has on himself.Nadirali 04:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Rama's Arrow is also an offensive username.A Muslim or Christian equivelent would be "Muhammed's sword" or "Jesus's dagger". The so-called "gross accusations" I made were of an Indian cabal that controls all(or most) Pakistani articles through tag-team edit wars and filling it with anti-Pakistan sentiments such as "Pakistani nationalists can celebrate the deaths...".They once wrote an(now deleted) article on Christians in Pakistan which claimed that "Pakistan blames the Jews and the Christians".They also plan on writing similar articles as seen [here].I call these people "associates" of RA because they seem to share the same dislike for Pakistan.Not only that,but their userpages also show they're all closely linked.The history of articles also show a clear sign of tag team edit wars.This disruptive "administrator" blocked me for pointing to a cabal of Indian tag-teams.I was blocked for this.However,user:Islescape,administrator User:Fowler&fowler can testify to this as well as the evidence from the history of the articles.RA also proposed that religious fundamentalism be placed in the Pakistani article as seen in the link I provided above.It clearly shows his motives and intentions.Nadirali 04:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

RA is now accusing Fowler&fowler of "POV pushing" the same thing he falsly accussed another user user:Unre4L and I of by giving him a similar week block.Infact any user who disagrees wih him or his associates is automatically being "incivil" or "POV pushing".Nadirali 05:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

reason for unblock
I needed to post evidence to Fowler&fowler which I did from my own unblocked IP adress.Please discuss the blocks(including those of Unre4L and Szhaider) carefully with other admins as well as users Islescape and Fowler&fowler(who is also now facing a similar threat).Please look [here]Nadirali 17:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fowler%26fowler" I clearly provided evidence that RA's block is unjustified. Can this please atleast be discussed properly among admins?Admins can't just block users for personal interest. I have not committed any violation.What was a violation is this unjust block.I also did not edit from another IP.My own IP adress was left unblocked.Nadirali 00:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Disputes
I have left a message on User talk:Siddiqui which I urge you to read.  Noble eagle  [TALK] [C] 06:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Your lucky day
I'm not going to edit anything controversial for the next nine months and "push my POV" since I'll be on a semi-Wikibreak. Just to let you know, there were users (anti-Urdu) who wanted to remove the Urdu script off Bollywood articles and on Indian cities, when I supported keeping Urdu because I believe Hindi and Urdu are the same langauge just written differently. GizzaChat  &#169; Regards 01:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

thanks for your thanks
Thanks for your thanks, but someone else awarded you the barnstar, not me. csloat 19:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi!
I have also posted this message to Unre4L

Regarding the Pakhub article, have you read WP:WEB? May you please give an argument based on WP:WEB on why it should stay. Please respond on my talk page and only answer these two questions. I am willing to discuss this since you are obviously disappointed that the forum you created can't have an article on Wikipedia. If I still disagree with you after the discussion, you can request the page to be re-created to another administrator who has no connections with India or Pakistan whatsoever. This is the list List of administrators. I am sorry if I have insulted you and hope that we can set all of the disagreements we had in the past. Thank you and have a good day. GizzaChat  &#169; 08:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'm going to refrain from India vs Pakistan thing for a while until neutral intervention arrives (American, British, European etc preferably non-Hindu/Muslim). I know that you guys won't listen to me so it'll be a waste of time. May I suggest bring User:Pepsidrinka into the debate since he is a Pakistani administrator on the English Wikipedia. He was the one along with User:Nichalp (who's Indian btw) who helped make Pakistan a Feature Article. Pepsidrinka has very pleasant relations with the Indian Wikipedians here so I think it will be worthwhile. Best wishes and I hope neutral admins find a remedy soon for everyone's sake. GizzaChat  &#169; 10:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Your posting to the Village Pump (proposals) page
Hi Nadirali,

Thanks for your posting about Star Trek and Star Wars to the Village Pump (porposals) page. Unfortunately the page you posted to is not an appropriate place for discussing the content of these articles. Please bring up your concerns on the articles' talk pages (i.e. Talk:Star Wars and Talk:Star Trek) instead. Also, when you add a message to any talk page, please sign your comment by putting ~ (that's four tilde characters) at the end; this automatically gets expanded to your signature and a timestamp. Thanks, Gwernol 15:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Balochistan Conflict
You may have your opinion about the issue but thats what POV is. Wikipedia is not about representing POV of Balochistan people or Pakistani Govt. We need a NPOV approach for the article and what that user has done, isn't valid according to wikipedia rules. He/she may discuss changes, try to convert an article to NPOV but can't replace it with a POV essay. Wikipedia is not about essays.voldemortuet 22:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed that wikipedia should stay neutral on the issue.However the fact is that dozens have been killed at the hands of the army and that's what needs to be put on wikipedia'Nadirali 01:15, 4 December 2006

where did you lived during visit in hyderabad
Dear Nadir ,there are many sindhi communities in orkut ,u can join those but i do not know about other communities if you know any let me know for sure I will join it along with you.

Hope every thing is fine with you. Where did you lived in Hyderabad during your visit?

Khalidkhoso 04:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Nadir ,i do not like MQM any shape, now these days there having flags in Larkana city can you believe this? .You know why? because they have new Slogan "we are sindhi" but who does nothing for sindh.on other side they still planning to broke her to into parts making new state "Jinnah Pora". Yeah it is offending for sure

Khalidkhoso 04:46, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Cha Hal Ahin(how are you,sindhi).

Yeah Hyderabad Cantonment is beautiful, telling you one more thing .it is expensive area too because it is having Sadder Market inside it, if you visit sadder market ,i believe you will change idea that Hyderabad cantonment is beautiful.Yeah residence area of Army officer is beautiful, it is not in Hyderabad it is every where. I mean take example of Karachi, which is Most expensive area of Karachi? "DHA" "Defense Housing Society" it is under control of army. they are also allot bangles in sadder Karachi. Do you speak Sindhi?

Sadain Gud

Khalidkhoso 05:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Nadir why not create Wiki_Sindhi(sort of community working for sindhi pages and related topics) ,how this sounds like :P

Khalidkhoso 05:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with that sindhi are weak But why? . we should look for reasons it is beacuse they are un-educated,simple in nature,Sufi in religion,resources occupied by others,fighting with each other,killing in name of honour,lake of information .read history even Moen-jo-daro ppls did not made any weapon in there time how they make now? what i am trying to say is they are Much sufi in nature.They are divide as hindu sindhi,muslim sindhi(then Barouch(different tribes fighting for power Jatoi,Magsi,Bugti,Khosa,Laghari,Mastoi,Mirani,etc inside them stil are they divided as take expample of Magsi Shambhani,Bhutani,Sakhani) etc...,jamot Tunio,Sommro,Sayyal,Bhatti,Thebo,Dahar). How you expect to be in power with this? and read my profile i am Balouch oriented Sindhi we called as Barouch (Balouch but Sindhi) Khalidkhoso 06:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Nadir i have post my request on Sindhi_Wikipedian ,if they would not change that Flag i will do it ,have You seen Muhajir Wikipedian. it is same like sindhi_wikipedian no change between both tags, I will put Ajruk On that flag that is Identity of Sindhi's

Khalidkhoso 08:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello Bro ,i removed Flag from sindhi wikipedian and made some editing.i will make picture here of my ajruk and upload it.but these days it is little bit hard to do.i will do it after Eid,till then Happy Eid "Eid Mubark" ,Happy New Year. Khalidkhoso 04:18, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Nadirali نادرالی
 * Perhaps admins who have no involvement with India or Pakistan should be brought in to review cases and actually issue blocks in the future. That way, there will be no conflict of interest.  The Behnam 17:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou now there are 5 people who agree on the same thing about RA.I was going to remove the suspected sockpuppet tag just as RA blocked me.He tried to hide his bias by simply pretending to agree with Rumps block.

Can the block atleast be shortened?1 week seems like a long time,even for edit warring.Add to that Rumpeltskin223 edit wars with everyone on articles that don't fit his POV,so it wasnt just another editwar.Either way,I find 1 week quite lengthy.Nadirali نادرالی


 * I believe Rumpel's been blocked too.  Noble eagle  [TALK] [C] 21:40, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I only provided a good reason that a week block is a bit long that's all.All I had requested was that the block be shortened and for a good reason.This is ridiculous.Nadirali نادرالی

unblock request
I simply provided evidence of Rama's Arrow's dishonesty as an administrator(who has now blocked 4 users critsizing his dishonesty).If I had not provided evidence against RA,I wouldn't have been blocked.RA has also engaged in tag-team edit wars against Szhaider on the Iqbal article.Did he get blocked for it at all?If you look carefully I took the effort to resolve my dispute with Rumps who is without a doubt a sock/meatpuppet of Hkelkar for which I also provided evidence for.If the block must stay,it should atleast be shortened from 1 week.I find that a bit too long for someone who provides evidence against a dishonest admin.

AGF
Please WP:AGF and see WP:RS. raise all the issues you want. Your record speaks for itself. Rumpelstiltskin223 21:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I would advise you not to make threats. Rumpelstiltskin223 21:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I suggest to you strongly to take Fowler's advice and keep calm - please do not make accusations against other editors or engage in revert wars. You must treat your return as a fresh starting point. Rama's arrow  21:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply
Thanks a lot for your message. You are free to edit any page, however, discussing major edits is always a good idea. As for your talk page, it is better to archive talk page contents. See WP:ARCHIVE to learn how to do that. After archiving talk page contents, you can remove old messages from your talk page.

Welcome back, and I hope you will have a productive time in Wikipedia. Thanks. --Ragib 01:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Re
Regarding this message, I'm a bit confused. I haven't posted any message to you about this. If you were referring to this message, note that it wasn't on your talk page, and wasn't directed to you. Thanks. --Ragib 05:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm too busy to go through the messages between Kumarnator and you, but a great way of stopping someone from messaging you is to *not respond to it*. Of course, if it is related to editing in an article, responding to it is recommended, but if you feel someone is sending you a message without any purpose, the best way is to refrain from responding to it. Thanks. --Ragib 04:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Moving a conversation to this page
Please stop editing your reply on my talk archive page. Please don't post on my user talk archive page, as it doesn't become available for other users to read.

I don't know why you felt the need to come in and say anything to me about your warning against the corrupting forces on Wikipedia, or about how South Asians and Arabs are conflated in many Western minds, and portrayed negatively. I really don't have any concern about your issue with corruption on Wikipedia, I just mentioned that your words and tone seem like you are on a crusade. I referred to your rhetoric as nationalistic because you have said things about Indians and Bangladeshi editors' nationalities being an impedance to their seeing the truth, or words to that effect. I don't have a problem distinguishing South Asian culture or language from Arab culture or language, and I don't have any bigotry toward South Asians (two of my very good friends are from India - one is a Gujarati Shi'ite Muslim, one is a Bengali Hindu).

Before you correct me on my statements above, let me acknowledge that I probably got it all wrong on both counts. Please grant me the right to be wrong, just this once.

If you want to continue conversing with me, please let's do it on your talk page. I probably won't respond to any more talk about corruption or nationalism though, because I don't find them very interesting topics, and I definitely won't respond to anything you post on my talk pages. Thanks, Erielhonan 01:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I wont respond to this till maybe tommorrow.Got a history assignment to finish.Due Wednesday.74.98.241.189 02:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Response to Erielhonan
Allright,I'll respond to the points you have made one by one. "Please stop editing your reply on my talk archive page.Please don't post on my talk archive page,as it doesnt become available for other readers to read." For your information,if I had no problem accessing your talk page and being able to see all the previous conversations that have taken place,I really don't see why another user would have a problem in finding them.Unless you're trying to suggest they have less common sense than me.

"I don't know why you felt the need to come in and say anything about your warning against corrupting forces on wikipedia ,or about how south asians and Arabs are conflated in western minds and portrayed negatively. Well ironically enough,I didn't know(and still don't know) why you felt the need to come in and say anything to me about violating the rules. Me doing that would be a loss for me,and I personally don't see how that would harm you in anyway at all.

"I just mentioned your words and tone seem like you are on a crusade." I'm really sorry that my tone sounded like I was on a 'crusade',just as I am sorry that anyone who is involved in anti-corruption committies and happen to share the same tone as me sound that they're on a crusade.

"I referred to your rhetoric as nationlistic because you have said things about Indians and Bangladeshi editors' nationalities being an impendance to their seeing the truth,or words to that effect." Then by your logic,my concern about too many police officers here in Canada being white and bullying non-white teenagers(particularly black)somehow makes me a nationalist. See nationalism here or here.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalism No harm in maintaining your vocabulary.

"I dont have a problem distinguishing South Asian culture or language from Arab culture or language,and I don't have any biogotry towards South Asians." First off,I didn't know South Asians spoke one language or shared a common culture.Feel free to edit any SA articles that mention South Asia consisting of many languages and cultures or nations.I don't remember saying you had a "bigotry" towards South Asians .I must be suffering from memory loss.I have a doctors appointment on Sunday.I'll ask him to add a check for memory loss on his check-up list.

"Before you correct me on my statements above,let me acknowledge that I probably got it all wrong on both counts.Please grant me the right to be wrong,just this once." Before asking others to grant you the "right to be wrong",I suggest you allow them the same right,such as allowing me to be wrong about my user page being my own.

"If you want to continue conversing with me,please let's do it on your talk page.I probably won't respond to any more talk about corruption or nationalism though,because I don't find them very interesting topics." Actually I'm not very interested in a conversing with a person I never started talking to in the first place,but agree to limit it to my talk page if it must go on. I too,won't respond to anymore talk on my user page not being my own or deleting content from my user page,or even the subject of nationalism that I never brought up in the first place as I dont find them very interesting topics. I hope that answers everything. Nadirali 04:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali


 * Like I said, you win. I do want to point out (no need to reply here or anywhere else) that when I use the word "language" without a definite article I am referring to language as a group noun, not a count noun.  For instance, "South Asian language" (referring to the languages that originate in South Asia) v. "the Gujarati language" (referring to a specific language).  It's tricky I know, but it makes perfect sense if you think about it.

Also, please don't post to my talk page anymore unless it's on a completely unrelated issue (like an article we both have edited). I would like to be done with this conversation, so feel free to have your last words but please do it on this page and not on mine. Thanks. Erielhonan 06:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC) '''It's good to know the person on the right side always comes out the winner.Regards.Nadirali 16:44, 4 December 2006

you seem to be confused....
It seems that you are basing your "facts" on only geographic techinicalities.....For example the Assyrians came form the Arab Penisiula, but they are not Arab.....Just because some of the Indus may have sretched over pakistani land( which is rightfully indian) it doesnt mean that the indus is "home" to pakistan, it just means that the INDUS encompassed some land that many years later, in 1947, to be accurate shifted away and created some new country( pakistan). Secondally, you have mentioned that I used the word "pussy", to atleast 3 users. As usual, this was a Dr spin from you to try and make me look like some evil, stupid maniac!!! Though the people can see through you!!!Get a life, you're so pathetic!!!! Kumarnator 02:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

wow kumernator, I didn't know "the people" have X-ray vision like Superman-LOL.Nadirali نادرالی

Re: Dont forget to add Saudi Arabia's flag
Thank you for contacting. I have been to Saudi Arabia. You are absolutely right about ‎their behavior with Pakistanis. Personally, I think all Islamic scripts should be removed ‎from all the flags like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. And OIC could ‎pressurize them. When someone desecrates these flags, Islamic scripts on them are also ‎desecrated.‎ Szhaider 16:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

48 hours block
You have been blocked for violating WP:3RR and WP:EW on Talk:Sindhi literature. Rama's arrow 15:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed the tag ON the talkpage.I didn't edit war on a single article.I corrected.Rama's Arrow has been blocking Pakistani and other Muslim users for not allowing disagreeing with his POV. They have also been repeaditly removing Pakistani tags on talkpages like Pinani for which none of them got blocked.They have repeatidly made racist remarks to Pakistani users,for which they have gotten away with every single time. How is it fair that we keep getting blocked by Indian admins while Indian users repeatidly keep removing Pakistani tags from Pakistani talkpages. Rama's Arrow has been edit warring with Szhaider and also removing sources I provide for articles.How long is this going to bias going to go on. If removing an Indian tag from the talkpage of a Pakistani article is considered. I have written 2 whole articles since I returned,which I spent hours writing on such as Kerwin Mathews and Jack the Giant Killer(film).I really don't deserve this. I would like some neutral administraors(non-Indian prefferable) to make an observation of this dispute between Indian and Pakistanis users.They have been repeaditly removing Pakistani tags from Pakistani articles,removing relaible sources,removing all reffernces to Pakistan and these Indian admins are repeatidly blocking Pakistani users for not accepting Indian claims over Pakistani history.We have tried to discuss this so many times,but they simply refuse to listen'''.Rama's Arrow is exteremely biased and has blocked up to 5 users for not accepting his POV and has made some exteremely offensive racist comments which I can provide links to and for which he has not yet apologised for.How long is this injustice going to go on?I provided so many reasons for why indian tags shouldn't be on Pakistani articles.HOW LONG ARE PAKISTANI AND MUSLIM USERS GOING TO RECIEVE BLOCKS FOR?HOW LONG IS THIS ISSUE GOING TO BE IGNORED BY OUTSIDE AND NEUTRAL OBSERVERS???? IF WE ARE GOING TO GET BlOCKED FOR THIS ATLEAST WHY ARE THE INDIAN USERS NOT BEING BLOCKED FOR EDIT WARRING AND REPEATED PERSONAL ATTACKS????????? THERE IS A SERIOUS BIAS HERE and SEVERAL users can see it.--Nadirali نادرالی

I would like administrator Dbachmann to observe my unblock request for the reasons provided above.--Nadirali نادرالی

1 week block
Please see this ANI report. Rama's arrow 05:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Acccusation of bias

 * Biased? Reallydrugs->Gun culture->more drugs->terrorism?Rumpelstiltskin223 21:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Please learn about WP:NOR and WP:RS. "Cooked-up" according to you. Wikipedia does not revolve around your personal opinion. Sorry. Rumpelstiltskin223 21:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The sources are academic and satisfy WP:RS. Your opinions and experiences do not satisfy WP:RS and are, in fact, original research, completely tabooo on WP. If you find it uncomfortable that there is such hatred for Hindus in Pakistan then it is heartening that so many Pakistanis are reasonable good people. Perhaps it is good that this information is out there so that all concerned parties may read it and use it for introspection, no? Rumpelstiltskin223 21:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Accredited research is not personal opinion. Sorry, but this simply will not work on WP. And yes, of course you're right. Prejudice exists in every country. You wouldn't believe the crap I have heard from some people in India about Chinese people, baap re. the difference is that prejudice is not state sanctioned in India. Rumpelstiltskin223 21:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No, not state sanctioned because that state has long since expired. Plus, Pakistan connection to terrorism in kashmir is a fact backed up by international orgs and non-Indian govts so India has nothing to do with it. Please don't make nonsense up. Use a blog for that. Also, accusing us of attacking Shri Harimandir Sahib Ji is a bit hypocritical given the brutal and rather pernicious treatment of Sikhs meted out to them in Pakistan, where madrassas and qutbas routinely lambast then as inhuman heretics and mobs throw feces on the toms of Ranjit Singh Ji. Rumpelstiltskin223 22:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Sources:. Plus, India has a Sikh Prime Minister, does Pakistan? Also, see "Muslim League attack on the Sikhs and Hindus in the punjab 1947 by Gurbachan Singh Talib" where it is clear that Sikhs have been rather brutally persecuted at the hands of Pakistan. Rumpelstiltskin223 22:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Tag for Rumps
Hey, I think you should keep the suspected sock puppet tag off his page until you have really really clear case against him. It doesn't serve any purpose than to aggravate him otherwise, and this sort of aggravation plays into his arguments against you very well, so its also in your best interests to wait until the case is very clear. I know he may have wronged you, but causing more trouble doesn't serve the overall content dispute, and may actually threaten you with a block if Rumps plays his cards right involving your edits. Of course, it is OK to investigate the Hkelkar connection, but complete the investigation before posting a tag, in light of the sensitivity surrounding these incidents. That's my advice, anyway. Again, thanks for your work during the previous incident. The Behnam 05:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi there
Hi nadirali, Sorry to see you blocked again. Well, when you come out of the block, my advice is to only focus on only one article and to not worry about what people are doing to other articles. Work on a page that you like working on rather than a page that is controversial. For example, I noticed that the Gun culture in Pakistan page didn't even have a description of what "gun culture" was, and yet there were active edit-wars going on. Cursorily looking through some books I had lying around the house, I was able to add some material (all descriptive and noncontroversial). The point I am making is that if you add enough interesting and descriptive material about the old traditional gun-culture, about the history of family rivalries, etc in NWFP, then the controversial part about terrorism becomes less important. Even if someone adds some text about terrorism, it won't loom as large, and can be ignored. The page obviously still needs a lot of work&mdash;I haven't even copy edited it yet, but it is ready to be expanded in the directions I indicate with my edits. Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  02:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * PS I don't know what Rumpelstiltskin223 was trying to accomplish with his edits, but the point is that if you keep adding relevant material, other editors, who are editing because of an agenda and not because they have empathy for the topic (in this case the people of Swat, Peshawar, NWFP), will eventually tire and drop out. Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  02:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks FOwler.Sorry i lost my head.Trust me that Im very angry with myself.The block RA gave me was because I tried to prove a few links against him.I will deal with that later.When I get unblocked,I will definately write up a couple of articles I was planning.Again thanks alot for your support and empathy.Take care.Nadirali نادرالی

Folwer,I forgot to add undivided India where they state India existed and contained the rest of South Asia as a "united country".Please fix that if you can.Thanx.Nadirali نادرالی


 * Undivided India is so poorly written that it's not worth bothering with.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  11:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

PA
This is your final warning. Keep making personal attacks and your already long block log will get longer.

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Rumpelstiltskin223 23:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I posted multiple warnings to you on your talkpage,which you keep deleting.Please do not delete them next time.Nadirali نادرالی

August 2006 ball tampering controversy
Hello. Here is the article. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 23:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Comments at ANI
Hi. I have removed your comment from this section. That section was started by a user to bring to the attention of the community a block I had made. If you have anything to say on the matter then please do so. But if you want to complain about Rama's Arrow's admin actions then start a new section or file an admin action RfC. - Aksi_great (talk) 16:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

warning
Nadirali, the behavior and editing you've gotten into within hours of returning to editing is not acceptable - you are making incivil accusations and engaging in revert wars. You are strongly advised to read WP:DE, WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA very, very carefully. I suggest you please do your best to make a fresh start with a cooler head. Rama's arrow 03:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Advice
I suggest that you stop responding to Kumarnator. The discussions lead to nowhere other than mud-slinging and personal attacks. Thank you. --Ragib 08:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC) Just when I was having a good time with him.But I agree it leads to nowhere and never did.If he only stopped messaging me all the time,it would have stopped a long time ago.Nadirali 15:25, 6 December 2006

Re: Pakistan project template
I am aware of it. This user is actually trying to improve the template with more complex wiki-sytax and has been unsuccessful so far. I will talk to him and see how can I help him. Thanks for writing! Szhaider 03:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay sure thing.Tell me if there's anything I can do to correct it.Regards.--Nadirali نادرالی

AA bhai it ws me ding all that.if you see this project i wanted a similar templ.like this one. Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft.so pl help with it. i have tried my templ on Dawn(newspaper) but it's not working well so pl help with it.WS.User talk:Yousaf465

aa I'm sorry that i leeft that userbox as it.although i'm not pilot want flying is one of my passions.And of fact is that except Mushak's or one helicopter in which sat at airshow i have never seen cockpit in reallife.Although my brother has 50+ hours on .He definetly going to become a pilot although my field will be differnet one.The temple. need to have assment so i edited it. ws. User talk:Yousaf465

On my visit to risalpur air base i did some inspection of the aircraft was told by the tech. that the engine and avaoincs were imported from U.S.A. and air frame was locally desigend and manf.User talk:Yousaf465

My talk with Rama
[] this might help you. Khalidkhoso 22:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Rumpelstiltskin
While I have first hand evidence of him enforcing biased views on the devadasi page, I don't really know what you are specifically talking about regarding Pakistani terrorism. He did complain about Pakistani users at the Women in Pakistan article, but he didn't really point out what was wrong with their behavior. He doesn't tend to back up his assertions; for example, he tried to write off perfectly legitimate sources by pointing out different sources that were somewhat anti-Hindu, and extrapolating this incorrect relationship to mean that my sources are about killing Hindus. Anyway, link me up with a few examples of his biased terrorism edits, and if its appropriate, I'll warn him to avoid detrimental and contentious edits. The Behnam 21:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi nadirali, as I mentioned above, please don't get involved in warring with rumpelstiltskin. If you are worried about any page, please post the name of that page on my talk page and I'll take care of it.   Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  22:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, if you suspect a meatpuppet for Hkelkar, I'm probably not the one to talk to, since I'm no admin or anything like that. I'm definitely willing to take an impartial look at the conflicts and give recommendations.  The Behnam 23:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * From now on, lets just keep the whole discussion on my talk page. It is getting confusing switching back and forth all of the time.  Besides, Rumps is also posting there, so the conversation won't be separated.  The Behnam 23:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Back and Thanks!
Hi nadirali, Welcome back! I am assuming you are now unblocked! Thanks for the barnstar! I will put it on my page right away! A word of friendly and sympathetic advice. Please be careful in your edits (and edit summaries) and even talk pages posts from now on (no matter how upset you might be). My guess is that you will be watched carefully by various people for even the slightest slip. So, you will have to be doubly careful. Also, no matter how upset you are right now about your block, or how wronged you feel, I would recommend you to not worry about revenge or reprisal. Best to take it easy and just do noncontroversial edits. Warm regards! Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  20:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi nadirali, Please don't get involved in battles with user Rumpelstiltskin223, especially at this stage of the game. If you are worried about Indian POV being asserted in Pakistan-related articles, just post the name of the article(s) on my talk page and I will deal with those pages.  But please for now don't get involved in POV issues with other people.   Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  22:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Your Star Trek concerns
Sir, I have read and noted your concerns on the Star Trek main article talk page. I am not going to call you a "moron" outright, although I may just question your motives in this case. This is not a reflection on your intelligence nor your capacity for rational thought (which it would be if I did call you a moron), but rather a rebuke against your provocative statements on that talk page which are clearly calculated to incite.

Star Trek is science fiction because it involves a narrative setting which differs from the present-day real world in terms of technology and futurology. The futurology aspect is "scientific" because the narrative specifically invokes scientific advances and discoveries as the motive force behind the development of society to the state seen in the stories. That is, economic and religious factors are negligible or absent factors in the narrated future as depicted in Star Trek; the characters do the things they do because they have more advanced scientific and technological knowledges, resources and tools than we do in this present day. This is axiomatically "science fiction".

You have - fairly, in my opinion - cited examples of storylines and narrative events which appear to have no scientific basis, eg Charlie Evans. However those things, whilst better classified as fantasy in their own right, do not alter the classification of the whole as science fiction. The characters in the episode Charlie X travel in a starship and do many other things which are science-based fiction.

You provocatively cite something which clearly irritates you personally, being the outrageous claim of Trekkies that the cell phone was invented thanks to Star Trek. Bringing up this one example - which is refutable by simply pointing to Get Smart or to Dick Tracy - diminishes your attempt to puncture Star Trek's scientific credentials, because you specifically failed to refute it. You merely trashed it, which is not a valid argument. It is well documented that the scientists and inventors of today have found inspiration in the fiction of the past, of which Star Trek is a part. The enthusiasm of Trekkies to promote the importance of their own in this process is perfectly understandable, and should not cause you any unease. If you don't agree with such fan statements, then good for you. I also think the importance of Star Trek in the development of late-20th century technology is overstated - the Apollo Program had many times the degree of influence.

I am disturbed by this statement of yours - Forget I even asked.I came looking for answers(I even pleaded for answers only) not discussions.And both times I got lectures.So forget I even asked since I probably won;t find the answers i seek - because your frustration (at being unable to engage Star Trek fans in a debate) clearly blinded you to the fact that you were the first to give a lecture. If you wanted answers, you should have asked a short and constructive question instead of sprinkling your lecture with merely rhetorical questions. "Where's the science in that?" is not a question seeking information, it is a rebuke phrased as a question and will usually not encourage meanignful answers.

This statement was buried in your lecture: I'd like someone to answer what Star Trek has to do with science at all. I conclude here by saying, I hope you now have a good answer, and that you can live with it. Darcyj 13:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

It was not my intention at all to provoke any Trekkies or to trash Star Trek in any way.(The only trashing it deserves is it is exagerrating the "science" in it or better "abusing scientific terms and concepts" as Dr Micheal Wong puts it.).I only provided a long list of examples,so my point is understood better and not rebuffed as a "lecture". True,Star Trek may have science in it but the magical elements are too significant to go unnoticed,(as I stated almost every episode and not just charlie X has it)which is why it should be classified as science fiction/fantasy. The "unease" that I have is that people(especially gullable people) who are not too well educated in science and mathamatics will start precieving Star Trek to be reality as Trekkies always promote it to be.I believed all this much before I even stumbled accross Dr Wong's page.(Whom by the way has recieved death threats and threats of injuries from Trekkies for the things he proves). I never said Trekkies are not allowed to promote their enthusiasm.Trekkies can call themselves Bush haters for all I care.But crossing the line is where they try to impose their beliefs that Star Trek is "science" or "the future"(thus misguiding people) or that "Star Trek rocks compared to Star Wars"(That's a POV by the way).Give me a break. .Nadirali 00:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Star Wars articles
Please stop changing the category titles for the Star Wars films from "science fantasy" to "science fiction". Lucas has stated in many interviews that the films are not science fiction and this has been accepted in recent years by the general media. Sources for some of these can be found in the A New Hope article. Thank you. The Filmaker 18:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Please, the fact of Star Wars "science fantasy" category has been voted through on a number of FACs regarding the prequel trilogy. All prequel trilogy films are now featured articles, they are considered to be the best on Wikipedia. If you wish to dispute the category, do so in the talk page of one of the films instead of simply changing the article to your liking. On Wikipedia we work by consensus, and the majority of editors believe that Star Wars is "science fantasy". However, if you have suitable reasoning as to why it should be changed, please state it in the talk page and we may agree with you. Thank you. The Filmaker 15:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)