User talk:Nagle/Archive 2009-05-30

War in Lebanon
Your article from Combat Studies Institute merely notes "lackluster" and "disappointing" performance of the IDF. They didn't say Israel lost the war. And Combat Studies Institute is just a military history think tank. There are hundrends of these in the USA.

I suggest you stop bending the facts to suit your agenda.Keverich1 (talk) 21:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Orphan tag on Office of Financial Stability
You're right, that orphan tag shouldn't have been added - that was a mistake on my part. Thanks for removing it, and my apologies. Terraxos (talk) 17:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Neel Kashkari
Hi. I've nominated Neel Kashkari, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know, where you can improve it if you see fit.

You might want to check the hook, or copyedit (e.g. the last section)

Smallbones (talk) 00:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Found cite for TRW work in a solid Associated Press piece, and put it in the article. --John Nagle (talk) 05:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Planetstoriesclichecover.jpg listed for deletion
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Thacher Proffitt promotion
I deleted the link added by because it was a link to the Thacher Proffitt web site, which is a conflict of interest. Also, they're not a neutral source; they were one of the major law firms promoting mortgage-based securities. Can you find a neutral source? --John Nagle (talk) 19:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have seen now about five or so law firm analysis such as this. Each far better than any media-published analysis, of which I have seen zero comparable. The alternative to the actually useful summary that Thatcher Proffitt etc. published, is to post several law firm analysis by a non-self-promoting (via Wikipedia) firm. We might find that the Thatcher Proffitt one to be as good or better than any of the others. There are probably about 50 that have been published, perhaps only for client viewing. I suspect there will be no such analysis for six months, if ever, available to the average citizen, put out by a media-entity. As such, any such link though biased, actually provides a useful perspective to the reader, and has many elements of being a reliable source.  I say as much without having recently read the policy regarding links. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 00:31, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Talkback!
Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 19:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, I didn't realize that you were that John Nagle until after I looked at your userpage. I studied Computer Science at NC State and we talked about the algorithm in our Networking courses.  On top of that, I actually worked on the university's DARPA Grand Challenge project while I was there.  Well, it's always nice to meet someone here that I know of from the meatspace.  Cheers!  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 19:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons
I thought you'd be interested in and might like to comment on the above. RMHED (talk) 21:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Notability of fringe theories
You wrote:
 * The Logic and the mind article seems to be a WP:FRINGE essay, and I think we have consensus to delete that.

WP:FRINGE doesn't say we should delete articles about fringe theories. Rather it says which fringe theories are considered notable enough to have articles about them, and which are not. It's lack of notability of a fringe theory, not merely the fact that it's a fringe theory, that is a reason to delete. Michael Hardy (talk) 01:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point. The notability problem is that all the articles about it seem to be by the proponent of the idea, or his co-authors. --John Nagle (talk) 04:02, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

J Street
I think it might be time to help update the J Street page. Check out the new stuff on their website... 70.19.68.110 (talk) 02:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

JIDF attack page
Hi John, You and I are now among the privileged few (or rather many) Wikipedians who have been added to the JIDF's attack page .--Peter cohen (talk) 01:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Run into you before
I see we've met re: Neel Kaskari (sp?). On Bernard Madoff I see that I'm getting grief from both sides of the anti-semitism question, so perhaps I'm doing an ok job (or maybe I'm messing up everything!) But actually it's much more difficult than that - there are a few anti-semetic kooks - e.g. the guy who put the stars of david on 3/4's of the victims - and there are a few folks who don't want to go into the Jewish bigshot ripping off the Jewish community at all. I figure err to the 2nd side if we err at all - that type of mistake can be easily corrected.

I'd like to ask you to help keep the reasonable topics open, and keep the anti-semitism shut off entirely. Any help appreciated.

Sincerely,

Smallbones (talk) 02:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Please refrain from making personal attacks
While I understand that articles generally related to a Jewish or Israel lobby have long been a disputed area, edit summaries and comments like this, this and this are, in addition to being false, personal attacks. If you have concerns about article material, please discuss the problem on its merits instead of reverting for what appears to be a dislike of another editor. If reverting and comments of this nature this continue, it will likely be considered disruptive, especially because of the area you are working in. Shell   babelfish 02:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The disciplinary history of is a matter of public record:
 * ''Administrators admonished


 * All involved administrators are admonished not use their administrative tools without prior discussion and consensus, and to avoid using them so as to continue an editing dispute. Humus sapiens, ChrisO, Kim van der Linde, SlimVirgin, and Jayjg are reminded to use mediation and other dispute resolution procedures sooner when conflicts occur. Passed 6 to 0 at 20:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC) .
 * Please check your facts before making claims that a statement is false. Thanks. --John Nagle (talk) 17:03, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Grandinheadrestraint.gif
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Ralph Madoff
WHY DON'T YOU FIND SOME ADDITIONAL CITES? I FOUND THE WALL STREET JOURNAL AND THE TIMES ONLINE. AND FORTUNE!! IT'S VERY EASY TO DELETE SOMEONE'S RESEARCH. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND ADD TO IT RATHER THAN PLAYING EDITOR. I AM REINSTATING IT. MADOFF'S ROLE MODEL WERE HIS PARENTS. AREN'T YOURS? HIS DEVELOPMENTAL HISTORY IS ONE BIG VICIOUS CIRCLE. SO GO ADD TO MY REFERENCES AND DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK TO JUSTIFY THE FACTS.

Furtive admirer (talk) 04:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for sharing that with us. --John Nagle (talk) 04:35, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

John - for Articles for deletion/Ralph Madoff, do you mean WP:NOTE and/or WP:NOTINHERITED as your primary reason for deletion, rather than WP:NOT? Frank |  talk  14:31, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You're right. Changed WP:NOT to WP:NOTE in the AfD header. --John Nagle (talk) 16:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

WT:NOR
John, I can't remember when I last heard a rational remark like yours at WT:NOR. I don't know you, yet compared to what I've had to read there, your message is a breath of fresh air, and if only there were a lot of editors like you working on WP:NOR, that mess would be cleaned up. Anyhow, thanks for weighing in. --Bob K31416 (talk) 19:53, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

James "Jimmy" Bartolotta
A very good point. He is a genuine notable and it seems an impressive basketball player. Nicely spotted! Kurtk60 (talk) 00:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

j ezra merkin
please assist with reference tags on wsj links of civil fraud. thanx much. Furtive admirer (talk) 16:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Honorverse prods
Hiya. I've been prodding, AfDing and redirecting a bunch of this Honorverse stuff. One or two editors have expressed a willingness to transwiki a bunch of it. I suggest letting the current AfDs running through (let me know if you'd like links to comment there), and restoring/creating redirects atop much of the other organization/gov't articles once the H'verse editors have had time to transwiki. --EEMIV (talk) 01:23, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. There's too much detail there.  And I write this as someone who owns and has read the entire Honor Harrington series, even "Storm from the Shadows". --John Nagle (talk) 01:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Courtesy FYI
As a courtesy, you are notified of this, with which you may be involved. CasualObserver&#39;48 (talk) 07:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Mibbit AfD
I've completely rewritten the Mibbit article so you may wish to revisit Articles for deletion/Mibbit. The AfD nominator has also since been blocked. Tothwolf (talk) 10:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Undeletion
I undeleted File:1992 Rapture.jpg as per your request. — Athaenara ✉  09:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. All the appropriate fair use templates have now been added. --John Nagle (talk) 16:01, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Free Land
I don't think there is something wrong with "my" article. It is short but has everything important that it should have. If anybody has something interesting to add, they are welcomed.

Besides, since when it is only one person to decide whether an article is going to stay or not ? Before, when somebody had something against an article, (s)he proposed it for deletation, so people could vote. Has it changed ? (Kyleall (talk) 12:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC))

Two things

 * 1) I looked at your userpage and edit history and have added rollback to your user rights. At 8,000+ edits, with your history, I'm sure it's well placed.
 * 2) After seeing your talk page, I realized that we're practically neighbors. I'm down in MTV. Not that any of this matters. Cheers.  Toddst1 (talk) 06:03, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * OK. But I've been trying to avoid adminship. Maybe when I hit 10,000 edits. --John Nagle (talk) 06:09, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It really is a thankless job. I used to recommend it to folks who were solid, experienced editors, but I don't encourage folks any more. Toddst1 (talk) 06:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

The puppet show
Shades of Boiler Room. --Dynaflow  babble  02:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. If you look around the web, there are also a number of web sites associated with this thing.  I run Downside.com, so I've seen this sort of thing before. --John Nagle (talk) 02:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

TexasPete
Please contact me directly regarding the Texas Pete Hot Sauce page. I am from the marketing department. Helmstetler@gmail.com

I saw that you made some edits to the page, I would like to update this page correctly and without further edits, unfortunately I am not very familiar with how wikipedia works.

All the facts listed are true and come from our history. I do not appreciate all of the edits that were made.

Thanks,

Ryan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.76.232.244 (talk) 20:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ryan, thanks for dropping by this page. First, let me welcome you to Wikipedia. I realize that you are not pleased with the edits, but nobody owns these articles. Articles about companies and products are written in an objective and unbiased style. Also, you may wish to see guidelines on potential conflicts of interest and how it applies to your situation. If you have any questions, you may contact me here, or on my talk page.  Law type!  snype? 05:33, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Response
Hi John, I saw your comment at the ANI about an "Agency". There are some articles about this. You might start here, here, or   here. Any comments about content are welcome.Biophys (talk) 18:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)