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October 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you removed a speedy deletion tag from Rubashkin crime family, a page you have created yourself. If you do not believe the page should be deleted, you can place a tag on the page, under the existing speedy deletion tag (please do not remove the speedy deletion tag), and make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you.  brew crewer  (yada, yada) 04:40, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That was inappropriate. I was starting an AfD, to contest the speedy deletion.  See WP:AFD, "Process Interaction": "If it is doubtful whether a page is or is not speedily deletable, a deletion discussion takes precedence. In practice this means that a page that had a deletion discussion resulting in 'keep' or 'no consensus' should not be speedily deleted." --John Nagle (talk) 05:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh, no. You're removal was inappropriate. Per Criteria for speedy deletion, "The creator of a page may not remove a Speedy Delete tag from it" (bolding in original). -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 05:14, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If John hadn't removed it, I would have, in short order.  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 07:09, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Choosers of the Slain (John Ringo novel)


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Proposed deletion of Israel Campus Roundtable


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Vivek Wadhwa
I have removed the prod template, but as I explained in my edit summary to the article, an AfD vote may be more appropriate - I'm not up to date on what the consensus is on notability. However, for your consideration, I'd note from my experience looking at Wikipedia bio articles that a CEO, news columnist or academic might have an article when they fall into one of those categories, while Wadhwa is prominent in all three. Harro5 09:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

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 * Does Wikipedia connect to Farmville now, or what? --John Nagle (talk) 06:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oink. Oink. :-) CarolMooreDC (talk) 03:36, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Question from New Wikipedia SarahKeen
=Response to My Talk Page and Question=

Hi John, I'm responding to your welcome message from yesterday. Thank you for all of the information and bringing this possible COI issue to my attention. My intentions on Wikipedia are to provide additional biographical information that is properly sourced and neutral. A different editor posted that it would be beneficial to post new information to Talk: Lowell Milken so that someone el10-10-20se can review the information and post it instead of someone who is a representative of the person. I will be sure to do so from now on. I appreciate for your time and the well-sourced information you provided on Lowell Milken. My question is about the notice about improper and additional citations at the top of his page. Since there are currently no red highlighted citations, I'm not sure which ones are an issue and what specific information needs additional citation. If you are aware of this and would let me know, I'd be very appreciative. Much Thanks. Sarahkeen (talk) 19:35, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

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links on bitcoins
Why are you removing my links? --ThisIsNotReal (talk) 18:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Why are you not answering? I really dont see any problem! --ThisIsNotReal (talk) 16:03, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * See WP:SPS on blog links. --John Nagle (talk) 18:36, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Its build with Wordpress but its not a Blog, you even removed the forum link, why? --ThisIsNotReal (talk) 14:40, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Ghost (John Ringo novel) for deletion
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ANI
Just so you'll know, I've brought a matter10-10-20 up at ANI here and mentioned your name, feel free to comment. Dayewalker (talk) 23:21, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Questions to the parties on the Betacommand 3 arbitration case
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Apologies
I had no intentions of removing wikilinks,seems a technical error. I will reinsert the quote(it is supported by reliable source) once again without removing them.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 17:40, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

File:Badwarelogo.png listed for deletion
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 * Fixed that. See deletion discussion. --John Nagle (talk) 17:43, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Baudot code
I just replied to your comment on Talk:Baudot_code. -- 92.231.119.213 (talk) 04:38, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Reverts
Please don't revert constructive edits without any explanation. Gigs (talk) 15:04, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Teletype Model 33 typewheel vs. type cylinder
Hi John,

I just reconfirmed that all the Teletype Corporation literature calls this part a typewheel and not a type cylinder.

Check Teletype Corporation Bulletin 1184B pages 27 - 29 (figures 29 - 31) as an example... 73 Wa3frp (talk) 16:31, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * And just a nit regarding your edit comment: The *SR 32 and 33 were upper case only machines and did not support 96 different printable characters. You may be thinking of the 38. Jeh (talk) 19:08, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Removal of contact info at ANI
I've been away for a couple days, so wasn't able to participate in the discussion of Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents when it started. It is well-established that we do not include contact information. I removed the contact information, and left an edit summary, but did not post about it, because I didn't see an obvious place to do it. However, I wanted to let you know, so we could discuss, here or there, if you disagree.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  13:41, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no right of privacy associated with commercial spam, or with advertising in general. As for Wikipedia policy, it is not "well established that we do not include contact information".  WP:OUTING only applies to the identities of Wikipedia editors. Here, no Wikipedia account was associated with the problem. It also says "There is no community consensus regarding the posting of private off-wiki correspondence."  Such a proposal was made, but failed to achieve consensus.  See Private correspondence.  Deletion of material in AN/I is generally inappropriate.  Thanks. --John Nagle (talk) 16:39, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Battle Cry Campaign for deletion
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Talk:Baudot_code
Hello, I answered your message in Talk:Baudot_code.

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.75.160.141 (talk) 21:02, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Bigg Boss 6
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Bitcoin as a Ponzi Scheme
Hi there. Please be advised proposals are being solicited for replacement text for the discussion you entered at Talk:Bitcoin. prat (talk) 23:24, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

References to 'Hairmail' and Astroturf
Hello Nagle, I'd appreciate any help you can provide to remove the sentence about marketing Hairmail and Astroturf postcards at Line 50 of the Mail art page. Neither Vittore Baroni nor myself, the original authors of the article, (nor any other mailartists we've mentioned this too) know of these postcards, and the 'Range of Activities' section doesn't detail specific artworks, it's a general overview of the most common art forms used in Mail art. The sentence states that these postcards were 'marketed', but this would transgress one of Mail Art's oldest tenets, that 'Money and Mail-art don't mix' (Lon Spiegelman c.1980). Also, the associated Reference (9) is unavailable and cannot be verified without a paid Washington Post subscription. The addition of these examples does misrepresent Mail art by suggesting commercialism and by including two unknown or little-known examples. I would be very grateful for your help in removing the sentence. Keithbates51 (talk) 09:42, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Mail art for reply. --John Nagle (talk) 19:33, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Vivek Wadhwa
I'm not sure why you are being so aggressive about and to this BLP subject, but I'd recommend that you back away from it. It's unseemly and not the right way forward.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 18:58, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Please list the exact edits to Vivek Wadhwa to which you object and explain in detail your objections thereto. My last edit to this article was on 12 October 2012. Thanks.   --John Nagle (talk) 21:50, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Editing Milken
John: A year ago, you added Milken's prisoner number to this biography page. As I read the previous edits from that time, a consensus among Wiki editors was reached that that information should indeed not be added, and it was removed. Now, a year later, you are again attempting to add this information, citing a reference that does not support the edit. Please explain your reasoning. Thank you. LarryWeisenberg (talk) 00:31, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Referred to WP:ANI re paid editing issue. --John Nagle (talk) 06:22, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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 * False alarm. Wikipedia database corrupted and misreporting backlinks. Reported to AN/I. John Nagle (talk) 19:23, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

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Betacommand is back
Hello. I am contacting you because you are one of the editors/admins who is still active now, and was aware of the notoriously disruptive editor User:Betacommand, a.k.a User:Δ (Delta). As you probably know, he was eventually banned after a third arbitration case, due to the way he conducted himself in the pursuit of his main interest on Wikipedia, WP:NFCC enforcement.

What you may not know, is that he has evidently returned and has been editing as User:Werieth since 2012, in violation of that ban. After just a year, Werieth is already causing the same sort of disruption that Betacommand did - you may experience some deja vu by reading reports made about Werieth such as the one at the top of this AN archive. There are already several others. A quick perusal of Werieth's contributions will also reveal the same Betacommand-like self-assured approach, grounded in the belief that their edits are always "100% correct and 100% according to policy" (when the reality was that he made basic errors and pushed policy boundaries at a rate that, while acceptable in ordinary users for a time limited period, was found to be unacceptable in an editor with the edit rate and communication issues Betacommand had, especially given their inability to change)

I and others have already tried to expose his return via these sock puppet investigations, although as you can see, it's not getting far. That's not for the lack of an answerable case though - you can see the latest summary in this post. Most of the obstruction can be put down to the usual dysfunctional and counter-productive aspects of Wikipedia governance, which of course will always aid experienced WP:GAMErs like Betacommand.

But you may or may not be surprised to learn that the people obstructing this investigation the hardest are three admins whose own conflict of interest with regard to Betacommand/NFCC is best demonstrated in their own words - Black Kite (repeatedly deflects attention away from Werieth and onto accusers), Kww (blocks accusers, and has already unblocked Werieth once) and Future Perfect at Sunrise (has basically declared all out war on anyone who even whispers that Werieth might be Betacommand).

The purpose of this post is to raise awareness about his return, and hopefully persuade one or more of you to resubmit that SPI with the evidence I'm sure you will be able to compile using your own knowledge of Betacommand's characteristic traits. At the very least to prompt you to put his talk page on your watch lists and regularly review his contributions (although obviously, don't waste your time trying to deal with any issues you see on the flawed basis that he is just any old user).

Also obviously, you should also raise a red flag every time you see one of those three admins trying to further suppress the inevitable exposure of his ban evasion. If his return is to be covered up for an unnecessarily long time, it should at least be done simply through general incompetence, rather than obvious COI based abuse of the tools/trusted position of admin. A few emails to the arbcom members who dealt with Betacommand also probably wouldn't go amiss - if ordinary admins aren't bothered about this particular user's return (and you will remember, blinded by their enthusiasm for having someone, anyone, perform NFCC enforcement edits, a great many of them were unwilling to even admit his particular approach to that necessary work was a problem),

Betacommand's clandestine return to Wikipedia is bad enough as it is given that he has simply resumed where he left off in the NFCC enforcement field, with several users already having wasted a lot of time having to deal with him as if he were a legitimate user. But obviously the nightmare scenario if the cover-up is allowed to continue for another year, is if Werieth/Betacommand decides script assisted batch editing is not fast enough for his liking, and decides to take an altogether faster approach - possibly even trying to beat his "record". On the top and under the line (talk) 22:26, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Whomever is, they seem to be reasonably competent at what they're doing.  I looked at their last 100 edits, and while they are rather bot-like, they don't seem to be wrong. John Nagle (talk) 01:28, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

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Truste
Hi John, you have removed some of my edits made to the Truste page stating they were pulled from a paper in Kazakh. Can you please explain. All content was checked for copyvio and external links were only to NY times. Belmond (talk) 04:07, 30 January 2014 (UTC)Belmond
 * Your edit: . The link in the edit: . From the link: "Guarding Online Privacy: Privacy Seals and Government Regulation Scenario, MADAN LAL BHASIN, Professor of Accounting, Department of Accounting & Finance, Bang College of Business, KIMEP University, Almaty, Republic of Kazakhstan".  That's not the New York Times. It's a survey article on seals of approval. The text in the edit doesn't reflect the article. John Nagle (talk) 06:51, 30 January 2014 (UTC)