User talk:NaomiAmethyst/Archives/2007/December

Re: My RfA
So, in your opinion, administrators should be content writers? I don't think any of the administrator tools are useful in writing new content, but in the cleanup and maintenance of Wikipedia. An administrator is like a janitor (thus sometimes the term "mop" is substituted for the word "tools"), they clean up and maintain. If you were interviewing a potential janitor for a publishing company, would one of the prerequisites be that they be a prolific writer? And, before you say something to the effect that I haven't done a lot of anti-vandalism/cleanup work, consider this: How many people use tools like twinkle, amelvand, popups, vandalfighter, and the like to fight vandalism on their main account? Well I use ClueBot to fight vandalism, I just use it on a separate account. ClueBot is simply a tool, not a sentient being. Thanks for taking the time to read this. :) -- Cobi(t 03:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for offering me the chance to explain further. Unfortunately, in my experience, I have noticed a pattern in the sort of administrators who repeatedly make very poor decisions: this pattern is that they very often have no experience or interest in editing the encyclopedia itself.  I don't attribute this to malice or to stupidity, they're merely the mistakes that anyone without relevant experience would make in these situations.  I'm familiar with the janitor analogy, but perhaps I think of it more like being the janitor of a space station; you need to have some training as an astronaut before you'll do a good job, even if you've built the best vacuum cleaner ever (and ClueBot is definitely among the best).  I am so deeply appreciative for the work you've done with ClueBot, and I sincerely hope my oppose doesn't suggest otherwise. --JayHenry (talk) 05:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you think I would make poor decisions in the anti-vandalism field? If not, would it make a difference if you knew I wouldn't branch out into the other fields without being sure of myself and understanding all related policies?  (And in your analogy, not only did I make the vacuum cleaner, but I also operate it ;) )   -- Cobi(t 05:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I just read your paper about ClueBot and am very intrigued. Is ClueBot your entry in the Siemens Competition?  And actually, a promise that you would expand into other fields with the utmost caution does make a difference to me.  A lot of the concern arises from the unfortunate fact that some admins do use the tools to set themselves up as governors (or gods) instead of janitors.  I believe you when you say that's not your motivation at all.  Upon further consideration, and in appreciation of the calmness in which we've interacted, I will withdraw my oppose.  I will say, however, that I think there's intrinsic value to working on articles.  Something that, perhaps intangibly, helps Wikipedians understand each other better.  Helps keep us grounded.  Helps us grow.  I'd encourage, if you ever find yourself bored, bonked or burned out, to find some article, maybe something that intrigued you once in school or in the newspaper, and improve it.  And if you need a helping hand with it, consider me a friend. --JayHenry (talk) 06:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Edit summary links to RfA
Can you provide me diffs of where you asked the two administrators about the edit-summary link issue? I would like to know what you/they said because it might moderate my opinion of this particular lapse in judgment. Thanks, IronGargoyle (talk) 15:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It was done on IRC. You can see Kmccoy's statement here for further explanation.  -- Cobi(t 17:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Let me know...
If you mind that I did some prelim research for you here. I actually was conversing with an editor about four days ago who had submitted a report, and agreed that his edit was valid, although I did understand why the bot reverted him (Mak1457), and I offered him some advice as to how to avoid that in the future. Since I hadn't noticed any comment by you on the subpage, I did a little digging, and it turns out the editor did not transclude the page onto your reports page, so it is unlikely that you were aware of it. So, I fixed that, and while I was there, I figured I'd see how many of the false reports were actually valid ClueBot reverts, (nearly all) and so I did some commenting on many of them. I'm not sure if you want others to comment or to provide diffs to help or not, so if not, feel free to tell me to quit, lol. I won't take it personally. :o) Ariel ♥ Gold 19:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Commenting is perfectly fine :) And removing the invalid ones makes my job easier :)  -- Cobi(t 19:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, at the end of each comment, (and in edit summary) I say if my opinion is the revert is valid or not, but I'll let you remove them, just to be sure, since there may be issues I've overlooked. I only saw one that wasn't something I understood, and that was the re-ordering of a list from chronological to alphabetical, and I'm not sure why ClueBot reverted it, the total change was less than 20 characters. The rest, even though the edits may have been valid, ClueBot was doing his job, so I commented on why. Nice to know it does help somewhat! Ariel ♥ Gold 19:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Rfa
Hi, thanks for taking the time to read my comments on your rfa. I understand that ClueBot has made many anti-vandal contribs but even if you factor all those edits in to your contributions, you still do not have much experience in other areas besides reverting vandalism. However, since you have been gaining knowledge about the various concerns being expressed in this rfa and have been responding to criticism, I may consider changing my decision. Once agian, I respect the work you have done on ClueBot and wish you the best of luck on future endeavors. Have a nice day :) -- Hdt 83     Chat 02:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Bot responsibilities
Maybe I should explain why I feel that many bot coders don't take enough responsibility for their bots. I recently started a discussion on WT:B, and I was really disappointed that nobody (except possibly Carnildo) took my concern seriously there. What do you think about that discussion? &mdash; Sebastian 20:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think the BAG is active enough to put each bot through extensive testing, even though it is a good idea. Sometimes it takes several days just to get a BAG member to look at a tiny 100-line bot.  The trial period is designed to let the BAG and the community see how it works and find any issues in it.  ClueBot went through extensive testing where it would simply report edits that it thought were vandalism to me, then on User:ClueBot/PossibleVandalism per a request on its BRFA.  Then it went through two trial periods (50 edits, and 2 weeks, respectively) before being approved.  Any errors I find or mistakes I see I correct and revert ClueBot's edit if it hasn't already been reverted.  -- Cobi(t 21:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Who said "extensive"? It's good that you're done some testing, and it may indeed be enough. But that wasn't what my post was about. I feel we need something in our policy about it. My frustration was that people like user:Betacommand were just in denial. &mdash; Sebastian 22:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahh, yes, bots should be tested, and I believe that that is what the original purpose of the trial period in the BRFA process. And, yes, though I can't seem to find it now, I remember reading something about a bot's edits being ultimately the edits of the operator, and I believe this should be in the bot policy if it isn't.  Operators are responsible for their bots' actions.  -- Cobi(t 23:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. There was another case that I'm thinking of, where an RfA for a bot owner opened just while I trying to convince the bot owner to just clean up the confusion the bot left behind. The candidate responded only erratically, but ended up getting the mop anyway. So, while in theory everyone agrees that owners are responsible for their bots, there isn't really much we can do when they don't. Sorry that you have to bear some of my disappointment with that situation. I would just like to see something that's more than just nice words. &mdash; Sebastian 03:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

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Classic.
01:48:02 (last) (hist) Lava matched rocks. . Cobi (talk | uw-test | uw-vand | contribs | block). . (Reverted 1 edit by 66.167.45.248 (talk) to last revision by Trieste). . show details. . [rollback]

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Oppose vs. Strong Oppose
I initially changed to strong oppose in response to your replies to many of the opposers in the RFA as if you were trying to convince them to change their mind, however after another consideration, I see that you didn't do it as often as I thought and were usually prompted by a question. It's actually a good example of you discussing with other editors. I hadn't noticed that each one was prompted by a question and am truly sorry for the mistake. I'll tell you what. I'm a super strong supporter of mainspace editing and have never supported a candidate with fewer than 1000 (that I can remember), but I will change to support, strike my negative comments on your RFA, and even let other editors know of your improvement so they'll maybe switch to support as well (and I'm probably the most vocal of the opposers) if you can do the following: 1) You have 320 mainspace edits as of right now, turn that into 500; 2) You have 1766 total edits as of this moment, turn that into 2000. Even if they're mostly vandal reverts. I know you only have 4 days before the RFA ends, but that's only 59 edits per day (45 of which to the mainspace). Do-able? Definitely. Difficult? Could be. Find some article you're interested in and improve them. You like football? There's tons of NFL-related articles. NBA? Harry Potter? Nintendo? Whatever it is you like, spend some time, get the mainspace count up, I'll support. Sorry again about the strong oppose, thing. I hope you can forgive me. Useight (talk) 01:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I see that you have done what I requested, your mainspace is now at 503 and your total is 2132. They were nearly all reverts, but I said I would support if you would do it and that I would mention to some other opposers of your improvement, so I will do that. Useight (talk) 17:22, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I have sent a message to some of the opposers indicating your increased edit count, so I have met half of our agreement. I will be switching to support and striking my comments, as well, but I will be doing this a little later. Useight (talk) 17:37, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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ClueBot Commons (talk) 05:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
  Blessed editing, and...  Happy Holidays from Marlith  T / C

Credits: This card was inspired by Macy's123, assistant of V's Shop Marlith  T /<font color="#228B22"> C 03:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

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ClueBot Commons (talk) 05:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Your RFA
As per my promise if you could get mainspace to 500 and total to 2000, I have switched to the support section of your RFA and struck my oppose. Useight (talk) 22:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

HELP!
I edited Tim Simenon but your bot reverted edits. I went to your bot page and could not understand what the hell I was supposed to do. It was very, very confusing. Anyway, please revert your bots edits to Tim Simenon - my edit included the word "rape" as the artist was accused of, then acquitted of raping a girl. 203.57.241.67 (talk) 22:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)Encise

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ClueBot Commons (talk) 05:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Curious about the Bot
I was wondering why an edit like this was not caught by a bot. I bring this up only in the interest of helping you improve your bots. Kingturtle (talk) 16:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

help us?
I see that you have an RFA and may lose. I'm very sorry to see that. One criticism was your lack of mainspace editing. I can help you with that. I need help and you can be that help. I have nominated an article for FA (featured article). It's much improved. The problem is that it has 180 citations and not all of them are uniform. I need help in doing this. Interested? A lot of the work is done.

You could get 100 mainspace edits easily. After that, you might even become interested in editing other articles and get another 100 edits. 200 is not bad. Want a mop? Helping with these references is purely mopping up! Archtransit (talk) 22:28, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

We may be almost done. Sorry about your RFA. You did get my support vote. Archtransit (talk) 19:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

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ClueBot Commons (talk) 05:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Your bot..
Hi Cobi,

I was wondering if you could help us. I help out at a MediaWiki site, and we are trying to get some bots up and running. Unfortunately, we can't use IRC for this. I was wondering if you could help us with some bots. Some we will need are:
 * Anti-Vandal
 * Archving
 * Signing
 * Assessment
 * Delivery

If your interested, please let me know. Even if it's only code, then that's great. We have people who will be able to run it!

Thanks,

 Bluegoblin  7   19:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

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ClueBot Commons (talk) 05:00, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
Happy Holidays Thedjatclubrock :) ''' (T/C)

Need help building a bot
Hello, I am interested to build a bot that uses AWB. However, creating a bot page doesn't really give me a step-by-step guide. I tried asking SQL and Betacommand‎, both decided not to reply me. For details, see Wikipedia talk:Creating a bot <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 17:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't use AWB, and I don't have any experience with AWB, so I can't really help you. I prefer to use completely automated bots with not GUIs.  Sorry.  -- Cobi(t 01:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

ClueBot- Urgent
Urgent news: ClueBot doesn't seem to be working, it has not made a single edit in the past few hours or so. I'm not sure what's wrong, but vandalism is already picking up. <font face="Chiller" size="3.0" color="RED"> STORMTRACKER <font face="Chiller" size="4.0" color="Orange"> 94  18:31, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Just made one edit (source upload) <font face="Chiller" size="3.0" color="RED"> STORMTRACKER <font face="Chiller" size="4.0" color="Orange"> 94  19:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the power went out for an hour or so. I started it back up as soon as everything was back working ;)  -- Cobi(t 19:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Score list
User:ClueBot/Source contains "wanker" twice - once with a score of -20 and once with -15; the bot may be unintentionally subtracting 35 for each instance. Also while it contains most common obscenities it seems to omit "cunt", the occurence of which is very likely to be unconstructive; matching the sequence of letters itself is undesirable due to the Scunthorpe Problem, but matching it between word boundaries would seem to be OK... unless I've missed something? – Gurch 21:01, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, only the last score for a particular regular expression is counted. But, I will remove the duplicate, as it needs not be there.  And I will add "cunt", between word bounderies.  -- Cobi(t 21:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

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ClueBot Commons (talk) 09:00, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

clarity in warnings
makes me think that maybe your bot should say what regex was matched - I was left guessing when looking at the false positive report made regarding these. —Random832 17:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

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ClueBot Commons (talk) 09:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

RfA thanks
<div style=" border: outset 1px DarkGray; background-color: DarkGray; padding: 2px 2px 2px 2px; "> <div style=" border: outset 1px DimGray; background-color: DimGray; padding: 2px 2px 2px 2px; "> <div style=" border: inset 2px white; background-color: #f5f5f5; padding: 10px; color: black; ">

Dear, here is a little note to say thank you for your kind support on my request for adminship which succeeded with a final result of (72/19/6).

Now that I am a sysop, do not hesitate to contact me with any queries you have. I would be glad to help you along with the other group of kind and helpful administrators.

Thank you again and I look forward to editing alongside you in the future. &mdash; E  talk 12:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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ClueBot Commons (talk) 05:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Image:Vandalism_times.png listed for deletion
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