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 * Okay, thanks.  Nascar  1996   20:57, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Help me
Would you help me finish working on this?  WAYNE  SLAM 02:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, but what all do you want me to do?  Nascar  1996   02:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I want you to make it larger, add more information about him, and more references. I want it to be a DYK article.  WAYNE  SLAM 02:09, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll try.  Nascar  1996   02:25, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks.  WAYNE  SLAM 02:27, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm finished. I'm not sure if it is long enough, but it is all I could find.  Nascar  1996   03:35, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

It's much better now.  WAYNE  SLAM 16:37, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Problem with DYK
See here and here; Wayne's new article is backed up by unreliable sources that need to be replaced. Can you find a more reliable source so Wayne can get credit for his first DYK? Thanks, The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 23:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * They are the only references available that display that information. I know the references are correct, and reliable. You may be able to try to convince the user, but if now, change the hook. Thats what you normally get when you try to create a no name.  Nascar  1996   00:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I posted more detail about my concern with the sourcing at this thread. --Pnm (talk) 00:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Racing Reference has been referred by several other reliable sources are being reliable, including ESPN & NASCAR itself. I don't have the links handy right now but I'd look if necessary. We at WikiProject NASCAR have discussed writing an article on the website just for this reason.  Royal broil  03:25, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

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NASCAR The Game: 2011 cover
I made the cover larger because it's a little too small.  WAYNE  SLAM 20:38, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

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Kenny Francis for good article
Can Kenny Francis be a good article nominee?  WAYNE  SLAM 01:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It could, but its not ready right now. It should be expanded about 2 times the current size to be a good article nominee.  Nascar  1996   02:14, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Along with several more sources.  Nascar  1996   02:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

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2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series
I was using Jayski to update the team chart, especially the Front Row Motorsports and Paul Menard's 27 buying the 98. I hope this helps.

http://jayski.com/news/stats/story?id=6043247

Diddlyman2004 (talk) 19:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)Rocky aka Diddlyman2004
 * Not the exact reference, and its not really notable in my opinion. Team switch points every season. Its also the reason that the table does NOT match the 2010 table. I'm working on more the more notable information. The point buying is more like WP:IINFO. Its also very similar to the top thirty five section on last years season. I'm working on this article very hard, and the reference above is not long lasting. I need long lasting sources so maybe I can get this article to GA status.  Nascar  1996   19:48, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

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new NASCAR images
FYI for the NASCAR newsletter. I uploaded a bunch of NASCAR images from my flickr friend tonight. I think they were all from 1984. You can check my contributions. They should all be in the Commons category. Also, D-Day said that he has retired from Wikipedia, so I'd stop sending the newsletter to him.  Royal broil  06:26, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Did he get the January one? He shouldn't have because I removed his name (I thought). Also thanks, however, I have another way to check all of them: . I'll add them later today. Knowledge first, Wikipedia second.  Nascar  1996   11:22, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much!
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 * Thanks.  Nascar  1996   02:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Your welcome.  Wayne  Slam 02:16, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: TV/Broadcast changes
Personally, I'm not a fan of listing which channel has each race, however I can understand it being there for the IndyCar and NASCAR articles...but only in the race calendar. Changes not so much. Cs-wolves (talk)  15:20, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It differs from Formula One as it is nearly all grouped under a single host broadcaster, whereas other series have several channels televising it. Keep the changes in just now but maybe flag it up on the WP:NASCAR page...get a few other opinions before deleting/adding/tweaking. Cs-wolves  (talk)  15:53, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

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My next article
I need to work on my next article. Which one should I do?  Wayne  Slam 23:44, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * What article would you like to work on?  Nascar  1996   01:53, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Another NASCAR crew chief, such as Ryan Pemberton.  Wayne  Slam 01:55, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess, look at the teams website, and see if they have a biography, then look for some other type of source, so it would have atleast two references.  Nascar  1996   01:56, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Will you help me work on it?  Wayne  Slam 02:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not as much as last time. Go on and write the article, then I'll see what I can do from there. -- Nascar  1996   02:04, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You're really supposed to start with independent reliable sources like NASCAR.com, Sporting News, Sports Illustrated, Speed Channel, ESPN, etc. Then you can add from closer sources. You need to be sure that you have several independent sources or else you're risking getting it deleted.  Royal broil  04:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You have to find a biography source. Team pages are the only ones. (now) NASCAR.com removed the crew chief bios a while back. Most of those are for news. Which you can find after you create the main biography.  Nascar  1996   11:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

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Re: Portal-y stuff.
Not got a clue as of yet, and if that changes, I'll let you know! Cs-wolves (talk)  01:14, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sure we'll get a decision before the opener in a fortnight. Cs-wolves  (talk)  01:20, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Just tying in with last year's page, and "after 1's" aren't really worth putting down. Waste of text, but all would be back to normal after Phoenix. Cs-wolves (talk)  20:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

This
How does this look so far?  Wayne  Slam 01:37, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Its pretty good. I made a few changes that I noticed that were needed in the article though. -- Nascar  1996   01:50, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you think it's good for a DYK?  Wayne  Slam 01:51, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not yet. Needs to be expanded, and minor reworded still.  Nascar  1996   01:52, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Will you be doing that part since I did most of the work so far?  Wayne  Slam 01:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I will.  Nascar  1996   01:54, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks.  Wayne  Slam 01:54, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit busy right now if you finish it within the week. However, I might be able to fit it in.  Nascar  1996   02:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Reply:
As much as I want to, its a community reassesment. That means it has to be closed by an uninvolved editor (if you read the rules, you would've known that.) GamerPro64 (talk) 21:54, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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NASCAR races
Do you watch all 36 Sprint Cup races every year?  Wayne  Slam 16:14, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Every single one, with the addition of the Budweiser Shootout. I attend the All-Star race. Why are you asking?  Nascar  1996   16:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I was just curious. Of course, Kurt Busch won the Shootout last night. Should you mention the Shootout in the Daytona 500 article or leave it seperate?  Wayne  Slam 16:25, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * 2011 Budweiser Shootout, 2011 Daytona 500. Seperate, unless Busch wins the 500 as well then I can include something about it.  Nascar  1996   16:27, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. Is it still too early to create the 2011 Subway Fresh 500 article?  Wayne  Slam 16:31, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want it to be a DYK entry, I'd wait until the Wednesday after the 500.  Nascar  1996   16:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. Where would you put the Gatorade Duel information? In the 2011 Daytona 500 article?  Wayne  Slam 16:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I am going to put it in the article. No one keeps a race summary for them, so they don't deserve their own article.  Nascar  1996   16:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay and will NASCAR The Game: 2011 feature the Budweiser Shootout?  Wayne  Slam 23:03, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure.  Nascar  1996   23:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I looked at screen shots and videos and stuff that have alcoholic sponsors won't be in the game.  Wayne  Slam 00:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, the race can be shown as the Shootout.  Nascar  1996   00:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * What system would you get it for?  Wayne  Slam 00:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * PS3.  Nascar  1996   00:15, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Me too. I want NHL 11 and maybe Gran Turismo 5, too. Do you want Gran Turismo 5 since Jimmie Johnson's in there?  Wayne  Slam 00:19, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I already have it. Were going in and off the subject of Wikipedia, which is a no no.  Nascar  1996   00:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. The only reason why I'm doing this is because I can't email. Can users go off subject on Wikipedia if they email each other?  Wayne  Slam 00:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes.  Nascar  1996   00:29, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Only if I could email, that's for sure. Is there any other way I could do that to help make emailing work?  Wayne  Slam 00:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no idea.  Nascar  1996   00:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If you have a chance would you work with me on article creation and this?  Wayne  Slam 00:32, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe in March during a off weekend. I'm very busy with the Daytona 500 right now.  Nascar  1996   00:37, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Then you'll move on the next race and the race after that and the race after that, etc. It's a lot of events to work on those articles. Does it seem easy?  Wayne  Slam 00:39, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Fairly easy. Sometimes throughout the year, such as 2010 AAA Texas 500, I get tired of doing it, or I get behind and I skip one. Luckily I'm already finished with the Shootout's article.  Nascar  1996   00:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, if you need help, just let me know.  Wayne  Slam 00:47, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

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Reference
Why don't put a reference stating that Dale Earnhardt, Jr. crashed in practice and he will go to the back of the field?  Wayne  Slam 23:09, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm currently updating and reorganizing the 500 article.  Nascar  1996   23:11, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay.  Wayne  Slam 23:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

File:Junior at Darlington edit.jpg to appear as POTD soon
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 * It's great to see a NASCAR picture on the main page on the day of the Daytona 500! I'll be watching the race. I encourage you to claim your triple crown.  Royal broil  13:09, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and I will as soon as I actually create the DYK.  Nascar  1996   14:45, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Do NOT remove a cleanup tag if no effort has been made to effect an actual cleanup.
Basically, after a visit to 2011 Daytona 500 I saw it as being not up to encyclopedia writing standard. (I wasn't aware who the contributors were, so it is nothing personal). For instance, the intro said "The 53rd Daytona 500 will be a NASCAR Sprint Cup Series stock car race that will be..... " "Will be" twice in 13 words. Horrible. So I changed it, and you reverted (and at the same time reverted two other valid edits I had made).

In an edit summary you said "its not curent (is) and its only like this until the race is completed........ The article is less than half completed". Irrelevant. Even stubs are expected to have some sort of proficiency about them. Works in progress too.

Anyway, I think you are effectively expressing WP:Ownership and I am not going to get into a rv war. So I inserted a cleanup tag in the hope of generating, well, cleanup of the article. You removed this, and I am advising you not to remove that tag again unless a genuine attempt is made to actually improve the writing of the article. I would do it myself, but will not risk putting a lot of effort into something which might be reverted by editor/s who may have a lower expectation for the standard of writing in Wikipedia. In the meantime, I am restoring the two edits I made to captions (fixing the verbosity) and I am replacing the cleanup tag. I am also rewriting the intro, starting with the article title which is the generally accepted Wiki style. Moriori (talk) 02:19, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

You can do what you said, but once February 20, 2011 is over your edits will be wortheless. Just a heads up. I will leave it on there until I finish the article sometime next week. I hate the wording too, but I don't really care about it because that is not how the article will look once its completed. This article will be a good article by April.  Nascar  1996   02:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC) By the way, if you would like to help with an article, try the other Daytona 500 articles, such as 2010, or 2009. Neither are finished, and I don't have enough time to clean them up.  Nascar  1996   02:36, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think you quite got the import of my message. Articles should be nicely written at whatever stage of their evolution. Yes, there are times when articles are incomplete, waiting for info to be added later, but the info that is actually in the incomplete article should be up to standard.  I look forward to seeing how this progresses. Moriori (talk) 02:50, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you think I was joking about the good article information, you must be kidding. I will do anything to get the article to GA status. On the other hand, the race has yet to take place, and all the will bes would have been removed Sunday. Its been like that since the creation of the article, and thats how I start all the articles I created. I could care less how the article looked at the beginning, I'm focused on how it looks at the end.  Nascar  1996   02:58, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sigh. Nascar1996, I am having trouble getting through here. I didn't mention construction of the article (although that undobtedly can be improved). I mentioned the standard of writing. When I quoted "will be" I did so not because it was a prediction etc, but because that phrase was used twice in the space of 13 words in one sentence, part of the poor writing I was talking about. Moriori (talk) 03:14, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * A question or two, what is exactly the problem with the article? The background? I know the practice and qualifying section is almost the same incomparison with the other season articles from last year. I'm not sure about the backgroud (I never was). Since it is the beginning of the season, its not like I can actually put standings like would normally, so I'm not sure. I would appreciate if you would tell me, so this template would dissapear before Saturday. Thanks.  Nascar  1996   02:44, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If I deal to a couple of paragraphs (later), will you take notice? Incidentally, everyone's writing here can be improved, so I don't profess to be the b all and end all expert around here. I get edited mercilessly too, and it's often an improvement which I gladly accept.. Moriori (talk) 03:14, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, unless it takes away from the main meaning of it. I welcome your help.  Nascar  1996   03:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You seem to be still struggling to grasp the point. Meaning is dependent on content which can only be justified by references. By seeking a better standard of writing I don't propound changes to the meaning of referenced material. Being concise would be a good start. Using fifty repetitious words to say something that can be conveyed in 30 words is not helpful to Wikipedia which is supposed to be an international encyclopedia of high standard. This is not a blog, even if some subjects in Wiki make one wonder. Moriori (talk) 07:37, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but if your unfamilar with NASCAR, you might reword something in the wrong way, therefore removing the actual meaning. You might want to stick around for the article until Saturday when the final practice session is. The Race summary is normally good with other editors, while the post race might need a cleaning. Thanks for yout help.
 * Familiarity with NASCAR racing is not a pre-requisite of good sentence construction. --Falcadore (talk) 14:00, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh my damn, what I meant was that if they weren;t familar they might change something to subtract what actually happened.  Nascar  1996   18:33, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * And still you don't get it. Competent editors don't need intimate knowledge of a subject to knock a poorly written article into passable English without compromising the efficacy of content. You appear unable to grasp that point. The examples below are paragraphs from the article, before and after an edit.


 * Original : In the third practice session, which was delayed because of rain, Kyle Busch was quickest with a time of 44.943 seconds. He was followed by Greg Biffle, Earnhardt, Johnson, and Juan Pablo Montoya in the next four positions. Also in the session, Earnhardt, along with Truex, collided together, and into the wall. Both sustained major damages to their car, which prompted them to move to back-up cars, meaning Earnhardt will have to forfeit the pole position. During the fourth practice, Kasey Kahne was quickest with a time of 44.985 seconds, only one-thousandth of a second faster than Joey Logano. Gordon followed in the third position, ahead of David Ragan and Kyle Busch.


 * Edited : Kyle Busch was quickest in the rain-delayed third practice with 44.943 seconds, followed by Greg Biffle, Earnhardt, Johnson, and Juan Pablo Montoya. Earnhardt and Truex collided and hit the wall, both needing to use their back-up cars which meant Earnhardt forfeited pole position. Kasey Kahne led fourth practice with 44.985 seconds, only one-thousandth of a second faster than Joey Logano. Gordon was third ahead of David Ragan and Kyle Busch.
 * I hope you appreciate the differences.


 * You added a par about later practice, the first sentence of which stated "During the fifth practice session, Burton was quickest after recording a fastest lap of 45.767 seconds." That says he was fastest and fastest. It's a bit like (above) saying four drivers were in the next four positions, and  "Earnhardt, along with Truex, collided together".Moriori (talk) 03:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * So do I need to remove the second fastest, then what?  Nascar  1996   03:15, 19 February 2011 (UTC) Thank you very much! Sorry we started out on the wrong foot, but please when you see something wrong on an article fix it. Thanks again.   Nascar  1996   03:20, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not!. No-one is obliged to follow you around and fix your writing inadequacies. If you feel you are not up to writing adequate contributions, then attend a writing course, or don't contribute. Incidentally, I approached you on your talk page but you brought it here. I think we should share the conversation so I am putting it on your talk too.Moriori (talk) 06:28, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Userbox update
I've updated your editcount userbox. -- Perseus  8235 22:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you Perseus.  Nascar  1996   22:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Diff #414711859
 TheChrisD  Rants • Edits 02:04, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The vertical bar is ideally to differentiate between the regular season and the Chase. Not sure where else uses things like that, but I know we used it in last year's IndyCar table to help highlight the Indy 500, since points were given for qualifying as well.
 * The extra instances of the race header is primarily because the tables invariably grow to be so large. Even on my huge monitor, I can only fit about 40 rows at once. Given how there were 85 drivers who scored Sprint Cup points last year, it's a help if it's in the middle of the table as well - although that situation might not happen this year given some driver's ineligibilities.
 * Adding ineligible drivers is generally done to complete the tables. It happens in series that get guest drivers on occasion, like the V8 Supercars, World Touring Cars and the like. Plus in the lower-tier series, particularly Nationwide, eliminating the ineligibles from the table could live quite a gap!

See 2011 NASCAR Camping World Truck Series for an example of how it works with ineligible drivers. Looks grand now, although may need re-assessing halfway through the season when the number of ineligibles goes way up.  TheChrisD  Rants • Edits 03:37, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

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ITN: 2011 Daytona 500
--  tariq abjotu  17:42, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Races for Sprint Cup
Why were the number of races for the Sprint Cup series removed from the table? Understandably alot of the teams are running the full season, but Brian Keselowski's running based on sponsorship, Mikey's not running anymore this year, Bayne, Bill Elliot, Casey Mears are doing half the schedule, and some are running less than 9 races. Also, why did you think that the sponsorship column should be removed?Gaeaman787 (talk) 15:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

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Daytona 500
So did you attend the race and take this photograph?  Royal broil  01:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No I did not attend the race, but the image was available to be edited upon, which I did crop it from a larger image. Then I uploaded it to Flickr.  Nascar  1996   01:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Then please link to the source image. You can't just upload someone else's photo to flickr and change the license. It looks like you took it and then the link to it says the same thing. It's called flickr washing and here's a link to the Commons page on it . You need to change the link to the original photographer. If it's on flickr then I'll certify the link which I can do as a flickr license reviewer on Commons. Otherwise I'm obliged to nominate it for deletion because of flickr washing.
 * Try the photographer, Terry Renna of AP.Moriori (talk) 02:29, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


 * My internet was down for the past 2 days because of a huge snowstorm here in Wisconsin. I really enjoyed the ending of the Daytona 500 this year. I was pulling for Trevor Bayne. The Wood Brothers were the team to beat (like Roush or Hendricks is today) when I first started watching NASCAR. It was great to see them rise from fading out as a part time team to being the winners of the top race. I'd glad that I got Trevor Bayne's photograph at Road America last year.  Royal broil  02:24, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't remember the link to the image. So I assume you must delete it now, right? The race was very exiting to watch, however, the driver I pull for wrecked on the 29th lap. May I ask for a quick review of 2011 Daytona 500? I know one item is not sourced yet because Jayski, who I have tried to contact for the past two days, have not created the link yet. The article looks good in my eyes, but I wrote practically all of it.  Nascar  1996   02:31, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Is it? I don't remember that name. By the way, you sneaked in quickly.  Nascar  1996   02:33, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Wasn't here, because that says all rights reserved at the bottom.  Nascar  1996   02:37, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You deliberately took an image, cropped it, uploaded it to Flickr and then back to Wiki. What part of "Copyright © 2011, Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, Inc........ Associated Press text, photo, graphic, audio and/or video material shall not be published, broadcast, rewritten for broadcast or publication or redistributed directly or indirectly in any medium. (etc)" do you not understand? I trust User:Royalbroil will nom for deletion. Moriori (talk) 02:51, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I know it wasn't located on Arkansas Gazette, I would remember how the page looked. The site had a darker background. I have already said for him to delete it anyways where I couldn't remember the site. If it was that I would know, I pressed on a link which went to another page that had image copyright information on it.  Nascar  1996   02:58, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Question: When there is not a copyright license shown, does that mean its 'All rights reserved?' Per: here I will be working my butt off to get an image the correct way. I got the others on the article, now I need a picture of the winner (which was taken in his current uniform. I hate copyright. I truly don't care if some one reuses something of mine, but other people have different opinions about it.  Nascar  1996   03:30, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * (several edit conflicts) I have deleted it. You need to be very careful about what you upload to Commons because other people on flickr (etc) don't understand copyright. I'll only upload to Commons if I see that the photographer on flickr has uploaded several images from the event to flickr or if I'm certain that they took them. There's some text that you must read at Commons talking about it . Please review and let me know any questions before you upload any more images. No, "All rights reserved" is ALWAYS assumed except if you can prove otherwise. Period. That's why images on Wikipedia are so difficult and often off topic. Flickr and the US Army (military) are your friends if you use them right.


 * I would appreciate if Moriori would change to a more constructive tone instead of throwing stones. Complaining at someone on their talk page is definitely rude. I've worked with Nascar1996 for a long time and this is an isolated incident. Just because I (and presumably you) have more life experience than Nascar doesn't mean that you should be so critical of all of Nascar's writing. Perhaps Nascar is young and getting education yet, including grammar. Nascar has improved greatly in the past 6 months, and it wasn't because I complained. It was because people decided it's better to work with him. "You attract more flies with sugar than salt". Also, you have removed all images on the Trevor Bayne article. I took 3 of him myself from 2 different races, so why did you not restore them? You should be looking to see what this image had replaced.  Royal broil  03:39, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Theres only one thing bad about the military, they only take pictures of Ryan Newman. Uh, I have contacted this user on Flickr to see if he will change the license for his media day image. He is a provesional photographer, and was at the race (shown in his pictures).  Nascar  1996   03:47, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

The image is located here. Just if I could get him to change the license. By the way, how did I do on Trevor Bayne's article?  Nascar  1996   03:49, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I know, I'm lucky to get one yes for every two requests on flickr. The moral of the story with images is to be very careful about excellent to good photos. If they look posed then it's usually either someone copying someone else's copyrighted photo or someone from Wikipedia/Commons who knows what they're doing. I'm very cautious and careful - you should be too.

I was upset to see that all of my images were deleted from his article, and you did it! I can see the one that you replaced in good faith, but why did you remove the image gallery? I try incorporate the historic images into the text instead of just abandoning them; I had uploaded images of his car from 2009 and 2010. Overall the article looks much better and the sources are pretty reliable. I suggest some more Wikilinks for context. I would check for link to USAR Hooters Cup (I know that one exists because I've work on it). I don't know if there's an article on the Allison Legacy Series but one should be made since so many NASCAR drivers have started in it. I think I took an image of an Allison car at Madison International Speedway which is somewhere on Commons. Driver development needs a link.  Royal broil  04:11, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought that galleries were not supposed to be located on biographies, but I did add a link to the commons category. Now it seems like he wants to intimidate you now. He says he's tired of my so called silly games. I told him if he was why does he still interact with me. We don't like each other.  Nascar  1996   11:26, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I've never seen anything about not biographies not having galleries. I'd like to see the source for this comment if you can remember, or a link to a guideline or policy.
 * I've heard it from another user. (I don't remember it happened a while back.) Nascar  1996  ''' 01:34, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * You need to be real serious about images here. As someone who has taken many photographs, this copyright license issue is a big one to me. You can only upload when you are sure that you have the permission of the original photographer. Anything else is a copyright violation, meaning it's illegal. Please dot the "i" and cross the "t". I'm sure that many people are illegally using my images and it gets me upset to think that I spend the time to do things right with my camera and waste my gas just to find out that someone is stealing them for profit.  Royal broil  00:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry about removing your photos, I was going to have one in the body, but the article looked weird having it. So I didn't choose to. It also looks like the only image of Bayne himself will be of his car, unfortunately. I can't image paying for an image to use it. That is stupid. Without you our project probably wouldn't have half as many images as it does now. Also, I can't wait to try my new camera out at the 2011 All-Star race. I hope if takes good photos. By the way, off subject to Wikipedia, is your interest in NASCAR becoming better, or did you just watch the Daytona 500 (or just heard who won)?  Nascar  1996   01:34, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * There are a bunch of articles with only images in the middle. Whatever. And you can't pay for an image to upload it here. That's also a copyright violation since they're actually only giving you permission to use the image not revoking the full license. I hope that you have a great time at the All-Star race! I'm looking forward to seeing the images. I hope you can photograph some of the drivers. They go by real fast - I didn't have time to stand up between shots at last year's Nationwide race. I think I took 200 photographs in 2 or 3 minutes. My camera takes 3 shots per second if I hold down the button in sports mode. I haven't increased my interest in NASCAR. I watch a few races. There was huge 10+" snowstorm so I had time to watch it. I'm glad it was so worth my time! The races are too long. I like the short 25 to 30 lap races that I watch at the local track that are done in less than an hour.  Royal broil  02:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Since the article was short, I didn't think it looked right, until you added the photos. Also, I wouldn't pay for an image to put it on here at ALL. That would be very stupid. I should be able to. I will upload an image to what I took with my old camera, and its okay. Very blurry though. My new camera can take multiple images in a minute as well (I figured that out by accident.) Then to the NASCAR part, what races do you like watching? I watch every race and every prerace, postrace, and everything inbetween. I'm a NASCAR fanatic. I also approve making the races shorter, which will also boost competition in the middle of the race. Ah, in December 2009, we had a snowstorm that dropped 12" here, and up to 16" in other places. We still had internet and electricity, but we lost water.  Nascar  1996   02:38, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I might be able to add more photos from Bristol next month. I may be able to attend the Nationwide Series race. I should be able to get great photos from that race, if I do attend.  Nascar  1996   17:56, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Dale Earnhardt, Jr
Apologizes for the "til" instead of "until", force of habit. TyVulpine (talk) 01:20, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Its okay.  Nascar  1996   01:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

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Referencing motorsport results
I'm not sure if there is an official guideline on it, but you don't have to reference EVERYTHING when it comes to results, particularly results tables and the like. Take the 2005 United States Grand Prix as an example. It is a featured article, yet is there is no ref anywhere on the page of the results of qualifying or the race, generally because it is assumed that the information is true. I don't know of any other season articles that physically have a reference linking to every single race result and the points standings in the tables; definitely not in F1, IndyCar, MotoGP, V8 Supercars, WTCC etc. etc.  TheChrisD  Rants • Edits 01:18, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I want to make sure everything is referenced. Now the standards have changed, and everything needs to be sourced in my opinion. I am going to talk to another user though.  Nascar  1996   01:32, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If you mean asking a specific administrator, that's fine and good and all, but perhaps it is a subject that is ideally asked in general at WT:MOTOR, since if you want to see this adopted as a standard, then it would ideally be adopted for all other motorsport series. From my investigations, the most I've seen of a source for results are involved with the table created only on the individual race articles (e.g. 2006 Hungarian Grand Prix, 2010 Honda Indy Edmonton, 2011 Yas V8 400 just to name a few). Putting so many links on season tables is quite unnecessary, not only with the bulk they add, but also the conundrum involved with a method to display them without adversely affecting the overall look and feel of the table. I mean, look through the F1 season articles for the past decade, the most they have on those articles to reference the tables are external links to the final overall points standings. I'm not trying to say that they don't necessarily absolutely require a source, but as they are a piece of information that really isn't going to be challenged in anyway, there's no need to be sourcing every single little detail involved.  TheChrisD  Rants • Edits 01:53, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, and we will see if we need them or not. I hope not because I also think it is to many links.  Nascar  1996   02:07, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

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Vandalism
how am i vandalizing??? i am removing redundant information. what is the point of listing the same information twice?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.90.155.91 (talk) 01:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Read Manual of Style (lead section). The paragraphs at the top summarizes the rest of the article. See Jimmie Johnson. -- Nascar  1996   01:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Summarize?? It's practically the exact same information. It's not like the article is that extensive to begin with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.90.155.91 (talk) 01:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia standards. The article may be short, but it summarizes his career (or almost all the information). As I said review Jimmie Johnson. -- Nascar  1996   01:27, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You are out of line in calling a User:99.90.155.91 a vandal. You direct him to read Manual of Style (lead section), but I urge you to do the same. You will see it says to summarise the most important aspects of an article.


 * What is so important about the following info in the lede -- "After eight years, he moved to Allison Legacy Race Series, where he became the youngest top rookie. Two years later, he moved to the USAR Hooters Pro Cup Series Southern Division."? And, "One year later, he recorded Sunoco Rookie of the Race honors after participating in the Toyota All-Star Showdown at Irwindale Speedway."? Whhaaaaattt!???


 * The article is generally poorly constructed. The second paragraph begins "Bayne was born in Knoxville, Tennessee,......" and the very next paragraph begins "Bayne was born in Knoxville, Tennessee,". The first sentence of the second paragraph says he was "racing go-karts at the age of five" and the first sentence of the fourth paragraph says he " racing go-karts at the age of five". There is no wiki policy formula which says newly created articles must conform to the style of existing articles which are poorly written. The idea is the improve wiki, not perpetuate mediocrity. Cheers. Moriori (talk) 02:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Those are the most important aspects, its not like I will say he start and finished here and there. There are not enough sources to bring the article to a good decent place until his Web site is completed. The article is still improved from what it was. Airplaneman and Royalbroil have told how long the lead needs to be and they said 2-3 paragraphs. However, I might be getting confused. -- Nascar  1996   02:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I was going by what the size says (here) Even though those are not big huge notable events in the Wikiworld, they are the most important in his career. I guess I might have bit the IP a little too hard don't you think. Wouldn't it still be vandalism though for removing context without an explanation? -- Nascar  1996   02:47, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Nascar, you need to be a lot more careful. You can't just keep undoing edits if you disagree with someone. It's called edit warring. There's a 3 revert rule that you must adhere to. The only possible exception is if it's clear vandalism. In no way does editing over a content dispute justify it. Manual of Style is no reason. A one paragraph lead vs 2-3 is no reason. Also, calling someone a vandal is something that you need to be VERY careful about. Manual of Style or other content issues/disputes does not equal vandalism. I hope you are a lot more careful. I haven't known you to act like you've been lately. Is everything okay?  Royal broil  03:46, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I have been reverting more often than normal. I normally just edit on the race pages. I though it the IP was removing context for no reason. By the way, if he or she was really not a vandaliser, why did they get blocked for 24 hrs? If he was doing anything but bad, he shouldn't have been blocked then. Also, nothings changed in my real life. I might be more stressed than usual (not because of here), but I'm not sure. -- Nascar  1996   11:10, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Proposal for a F1/IZOD IndyCar like championship contenders template
NASCAR1996, I'm wondering if it would be appropriate to have a template of the championship contenders for the NSCS championship only. Since IndyCar and Formula 1 have boxes where they list the contenders and teams for each season, I was thinking that there should be one for the Sprint Cup Series. I wouldn't do one for Nationwide or Trucks because teams and drivers change alot based on funding. Your thoughts?Gaeaman787 (talk) 02:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * This might be better at the WT:NASCAR page, instead of here. Also, I don't believe it is needed because even though they are the only contenders, that can change quickly. I'm against the proposal. -- Nascar  1996   02:40, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

2010 Coke Zero 400
Came across this article on random article patrol, and was surprised by the quality - yet only the B-class rating. Have you considered nominating this article for good article status ? I see you're a little bit discouraged, and I'd be more than happy to help fix any problems the reviewer pointed out. Thanks, Acather96 (talk) 08:20, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I have not considered nominating it for GA. I haven't because I thought the race summary section was similar to 2010 Aaron's 499, which was nominated and failed because of the section. You can nominate it if you'd like. -- Nascar  1996   13:43, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks - but no thanks. When I saw the article, I was interested to see who had created it. Having never heard of you before, I clicked onto your userpage and was surprised to see the Discouraged template there. I thought maybe getting another GA might have cheered you up a bit, and maybe you had forgotten about the quality of the article. Sorry to bother you, and I'm glad you are no longer feeling discouraged :)Acather96 (talk) 18:34, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * My most impressive articles are after the race, such as 2010 Carfax 400, 2010 Sylvania 300, and 2010 Ford 400. I'm a still discouraged, but not as much as I was. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 20:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

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Last warning
If you remove the information again from 2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series you will be blocked from editing for disrupting Wikipedia. The official Nascar site clearly states "SPONSOR : Lowe's/Kobalt Tools". Whatever OR you might have does not change that. If during the season the official Nascar site amends sponsor/s, then fine, at that time. In the meantime I am restoring the accurate information inserted by IP 71.173.81.98. Moriori (talk) 03:06, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
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2011 Budweiser Shootout
Done the review. Issues there. Bit of a disapointing article imo. :( KnowIG (talk) 17:30, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Now come on. You don't have to come begging to me. You know I'm a relaxed user. Review will be complete whenever you feel like doing it. KnowIG (talk) 07:59, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Reference
Is there a reference that says when Jimmie Johnson will use his primary Lowe's paint scheme this year?  Wayne  Slam 22:00, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * He will at Martinsville. What article are you talking about? -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 22:02, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't mention an article. Is that reference on his page and will it be on the Martinsville article? We know he will use the Kobalt paint scheme at the next Kobalt Tools race which is the Kobalt Tools 500.  Wayne  Slam 22:05, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. Lets start over. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 22:06, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Is there a reference about Jimmie using his primary paint scheme this year on his article and will it be put in the 2011 Martinsville race article?  Wayne  Slam 22:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The team lowes reference says so and no it won't. Sponsors have no value to the race. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 22:11, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. I also put that we know that Jimmie Johnson will use the Kobalt paint scheme at the next Kobalt Tools race which is the race sponsored by Kobalt Tools and Lowe's at the Kobalt Tools 500 in Phoenix in November.  Wayne  Slam 22:13, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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question on "report" summary for NSCS
I just have a question for the purpose of the report section for the sprint cup series? The individual races have their own reports, and people can just go and read those instead, right? So what's the purpose behind the large report summary? Just wanted clarification.Gaeaman787 (talk) 17:11, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * To have a small summary within the article. I am also reconsidering if it is needed. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 19:07, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

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Move Goody's Fast Pain Relief 500
Do you think that Goody's Fast Pain Relief 500 should be moved to Goody's Fast Relief 500?  Wayne  Slam 21:34, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, ask on WT:NASCAR. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 01:45, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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NASCAR race pics
Great job with the photos considering the light and angle. I suggested a bunch on flickr for you to upload. I also suggest that you check the drivers in the race and compare what you have with what's in the driver's articles now. I'd add the best one that you have to articles with outdated car photos. I wouldn't remove an existing one except if you clearly improve on a previous photo (and it's the same car paint scheme).  Royal broil  12:10, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * (copied from Royalbroil's talk page) Since I uploaded them to Commons first, would you rather me upload them by Flickr Upload Bot, or as 'It is entirely my own work?' Also, do you want me to upload every picture you commented on, or just the ones that has where the picture could be added to (track article, season, race article?) More new mail, btw. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 02:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's keep this thread together, please? I commented on the photos that I thought would be best to upload (I look on it a giving suggestions). It's really your choice if you want to do the ones that I suggested. You should upload them directly to Commons without a bot.  Royal broil  03:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I added all the images. See here .-- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 20:04, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

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Points
When I add the points do I put the total amount of points which includes the bonus points or just the points they would get if they won?  Wayne  Slam 00:25, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The points column already includes bonus points, so just put that number. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 02:27, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll do it you'll let me know if I'm doing it right or not. Also, will you update the 2011 Samsung Mobile 500 article?  Wayne  Slam 22:00, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Just do it how ever you'd like. I'm tired of Wikipedia, and will be taking a on and off wikibreak. The race articles are very time assuming. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 22:19, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. Wikipedia is boring. What you mostly do on Wikipedia is click the edit button and change or add content on Wikipedia. I may finish later on that article but not now.  Wayne  Slam 00:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You might be interested in joining another Wiki. Maybe Wikinews, Commons? However, please stay here. I'm active on all three. :) -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 00:55, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, okay. I have made an edit to Commons. A wiki isn't the only thing to do in life.  Wayne  Slam 21:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Wayne, perhaps you'd like to try the simple english wikipedia. It is a place where words less complex words are used. They have a lot of missing information—probably a lot of NASCAR articles missing. ;) — G FOLEY   F OUR  — 21:37, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, there must be Gfoley. Do you have an account there?  Wayne  Slam 21:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Everyone should have an account under the "single unified login" (SUL) on simple; notice the screen after you login. To answer your question, yes I do. — G FOLEY   F OUR  — 00:40, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay.  Wayne  Slam 00:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

For Bayne's early life
There's basically nothing there, just a blurb of information on his residences. Even though It'd be going against the wiki style of formatting, since Bayne's career is relatively young and we don't have that much biographical information on him, is it ok to rearrange the section so that it just jumps right to the career. I just feel this way because having two sentences in the "Early/Personal life" section doesn't feel sufficient to me. A driver's current residence should be the last thing on the page.Gaeaman787 (talk) 00:35, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I rather you wouldn't. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 00:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Early life is put first because the article is written in chronological order like most biographies. The reader needs to see where someone came from before that can understand where they went. If you want to improve it, then find out more background.  Royal broil  01:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * He moved the information into the career section to the last place before the references. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 01:09, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I'll undo that now. Sorry for troubling you. Guess we'll just have to wait if Bayne writes a autobioGaeaman787 (talk) 20:22, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

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Question on a recent Mark Martin announcement
Hendrick just announced that Farmers Insurance would be sponsoring Mark Martin in the All-Star Race this year. He's going to drive the #25 Chevrolet in a throwback scheme to the Tim Richmond/Harry Hyde days. Since the All Star is a non-points event, but Mark will be briefly changing numbers (so far, not sure if NASCAR would let them), so should this be included in the Sprint Cup limited schedule section or no?Gaeaman787 (talk) 20:26, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 20:28, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

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Re:Template
Looks like it has been used in the past; not last year so to speak, but for 2008 and 2009 by the looks of it. To me, that style of template is a bit clunky and awkward. Cs-wolves (talk)  19:48, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
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2011 cup race pages
Are pretty barren looking. Who is the user that usually fills out those pages, and why has no one updated them?Gaeaman787 (talk) 06:31, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I normally update them and complete them. However, I'm taking a wikibreak right now with no guarantees that I will return from the wikibreak. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 15:37, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

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VAR's #15 being fielded by Kyle Busch
I was wondering if you could help me with a certain decision. If you know, Vision Aviation Racing (VAR) has cut back to a part time schedule. Kimi Raikonnen is entered in the 15 truck, but that's being fielded by Kyle Busch in Charlotte. I'm not sure if putting Vision Aviation Racing/Kyle Busch Motorsports would be a good idea, since KBM (afaik) isn't in any kind of partnership to field VAR's equipment like Rick Ware is doing with Fleur-de-lis Motorsports. Note that the reason I put JJCR and CMR together was because it would get too complicated having them as separate teams, and putting them togethr would be easier to manage the infobox. Also, theres the factor that KBM is fielding the 15 only for Kimi, not for all of VAR's drivers. So, since you've been doing this for awhile, what is the best course of action?Gaeaman787 (talk) 19:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say put Kyle Busch is the owner, but VAR is the team. Thats my best decision. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 19:46, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

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Assess Talk:Iowa John Deere Dealers 250
Can you assess Talk:Iowa John Deere Dealers 250?  Wayne  Slam 19:39, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 19:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks.  Wayne  Slam 19:48, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: Template help
I guess you mean about word wrapping and i had fixed for you. Tell me if you unsatisfied, because it make infobox wide if driver + team name are long too. --Aleen f 1 01:57, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

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Help!
You are the only person I know highly involved in car pages. Can you help me out on Tanner Foust? All the news reports I've seen say that he is the "mystery driver" from the Hot Wheels stunt during the Indy 500, but it hasn't been updated anywhere on Wikipedia. See the news results (Google News). This is clearly notable, but I don't have time to update it properly. Are you interested? PrincessofLlyr royal court 14:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I suppose I could help after I finish 2011 Coca-Cola 600. The jump should be notable to Wikipedia's notability guidelines. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 14:36, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

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Two questions
I have two questions for you: 1. Should the Jimmie Johnson mention 5-time as one of his nicknames? and 2: Am I one of your WikiFriends?  Wayne  Slam 21:07, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * First answer: No, its not a major nickname. Second Answer: Sure, I suppose. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 23:29, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay.  Wayne  Slam 00:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

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Brett Moffitt
If he ever becomes notable enough to get an article, then I have a bunch of images of him from two 2008 ASA races at the Milwaukee Mile. One has him shaking hands on stage. Unfortunately there's a fence in the way. He raced in the main ASA race as well as a support ASA race and I have nice photos of both cars. I see he's a developmental driver for Joe Gibbs Racing.  Royal broil  03:38, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Newsletter
You would be better asking Midgrid; he handles the bot distribution element of the newsletter. Cs-wolves (talk)  17:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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- It looks around the basis of being a good article, although you may want to put it up for a WP:GAN, just to make sure that my suggestion actually holds some form; head usually works in mysterious ways at 3:20 in the morning... Cs-wolves (talk)  02:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC) - Sure, give me a few minutes. Cs-wolves (talk)  20:06, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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June 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
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Re: GA review
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WikiProject West Virginia
Greetings, I noticed you were a member of WikiProject West Virginia and wanted to ask you a question about it. Is that project very active? Several have mentioned to me that it wasn't but since you are a member I thought I would ask you. --Kumioko (talk) 20:15, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It is not active, almost at all. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 01:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, a couple of the other states have contacted me with interest in possibly being supported by WikiProject United States. Do you think that the West Virginia project might be interested in that? --Kumioko (talk) 15:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would be better to be supported by WP:US, since the project only has about eight members. -- Nascar 1996  (talk • contribs) 16:19, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks, I am working on some other items at the moment but I will add that one to the list of possibilities. I will open up a discussion on the projects page in the next couple weeks to gather comments from the other members and those that watch that project. --Kumioko (talk) 17:53, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Kumioko, I'm curious. Are you considering proposing to allow state WikiProjects to elect become task forces under WikiProject U.S.? Seems like a reasonable direction for less active ones, considering that some city WikiProjects are more active than some state WikiProjects.  Royal broil  23:59, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't refer to them as taskforces per say but yes. There are 4 right now that have either approached me or I have asked about that could be added. Just as any of the others of course if the project doesn't want to there is no requirement to do so. Since you mention the city thing. I have also been working on pulling the inactive city, university and other projects into the appropriate state or city projects. Seattle and Eastern Washington for example are now part of Washington. The problem is that knowone has really cleaned up the Wikiprojects in so long there are a large number that have fallen by the wayside. Once I get done with all that though I am going to start focusing more attention on doing some drives including a Project of the month to profile 1 or 2 projects a month to encourage more activity. --Kumioko (talk) 00:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (June 2011)
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Nationwide race at Road America
I sure picked the right race to attend, did I? All of those restarts and wondering who would crash out, who would spin out who... I left not knowing for sure that Reed Sorenson won. I thought that (somewhat) local driver Justin Allgaier had it won but he ran out of gas on the next turn after where I was sitting because he ran out of fuel after the race was all but officially done. I thought that Ron Fellows had it won and the fans all congratulated him. I guess Sorenson was ahead of him. I have great photographs of the entire field as well as the whole field for the Grand Am race in the morning. Unfortunately, almost all of the idiot drivers sat in the passenger seat in Corvettes so I could only photograph a few drivers and even those turned out poor. Too bad they didn't make them stand in the back of trucks like they've done every other time.  Royal broil  03:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

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