User talk:Natalya/Archive13

I'm always happy to see your name on my watchlist
After participating in WP for over a year now, especially in the various disambiguation projects, I just wanted to say that I'm always glad to see your name pop up in any discussion. You are always courteous and your insights are always on point. I am of the opinion that people's true character is evident in their behavior, especially over time, and I feel that your contributions here are evidence of your high character as a human being. Thanks.
 * P.S. If I were any good at cute little flowers and pictures, I'd give you one! SlackerMom (talk) 13:18, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * *Much blushing* That is such a nice thing for you to say, SlackerMom - thank you so much for the truly lovely compliments! You've set me smiling for a while with that; thank you.


 * Along those same lines, especially with many of the recent discussions, I am similarly glad to see your well-thought-out thoughts on disambiguation. There can be some pretty crazy ideas out there, and from what I've seen (including the thread just above this one on your talk page, which impressed me with your reasonable and rational response), you help keep things stable.  It certainly is a pleasure to edit with you.  And since you mentioned, it I couldn't resist something pretty and cheerful. :) -- Nataly a  15:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahh, mutual admiration is so pleasant, is it not? Here's to a happy day! (And thanks for the butterfly!) SlackerMom (talk) 16:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed! It's always most enjoyable to work with editors who you respect. -- Nataly a  16:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

hans krebs
hello! thanks for the kind message, but i just don't agree with the premise. hk-the-general is not the primary subject, he just happens to be the first with a wikipaedia article to occupy the namespace. inasmuch as hk is a fairly common name, the hk namespace should serve as the dab page with all other hks listed with qualifiers per mos:dab. it was my intention to move the article on the general, but i couldn't decide whether "hans krebs (general)" was actually the best choice. hope this is helpful...cheers! --emerson7 01:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay! I understand your reasoning now - thank you for explaining!  "Hans Krebs (general)" seems fine - I'll go ahead and take care of the move, and of moving the disambiguation page to "Hans Krebs", since there is no primary topic.  I'm glad to figure this out. -- Nataly a  02:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

DB and your invasion of one of my sandboxes
Thank you for pointing me towards this; I feel that this suggested wording is most suitable to my case (or it will be when you get round to actually protecting the article) "It is impossible to attempt to reach consensus on the right version while the wrong version is protected. The very credibility of Wikipedia is at stake, if the newspapers learn that Wikipedia has published the wrong version, and the page must therefore be corrected immediately, if not sooner." I want you to know that I am deadly serious about this and will be taking it to the very top although I suspect you are a member of a central cabal so I know I will not win; you are all against me! As for invading my sandbox to make helpful changes that made links actually work, WELL!! I can only say, mustering my most ironic voice, Thank you. :) Abtract (talk) 22:41, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Rouge admins?! Where?!  I mean, uh...


 * :D


 * Do you know, I never actually noticed that it was spelled "rouge" and not "rogue" until just now.


 * I'm glad you enjoyed it - I always found it funny, and also a well-needed bit of humor when things get heated. As for the sandbox intrusion, it looks like you've got something good going there (I posted a bit at the Wikiproject Disambig thread about it).  It looks like someone's tried to do something similar with Fraternity right now, but it also looks like there's a bit of a brouhaha going on, so I'm going to let things cool down and settle a bit before trying to sort things out.  My first concern is that the page is currently tagged as a disambiguation page... but I don't think it really is one.  But, will wait for things to get figure out before going in and making other changes.


 * Anyways, thanks for the laugh with your post, and for your discussion. -- Nataly a 00:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Fraternity
I tried to clean up "fraternity" and other articles, and all I've gotten for it is a public accusation against my character. The people who feel entitled to sit on these pages appear to want things their way, and I can't see wasting the time dealing with it. The world is a big place and I have other things to do. But good luck on your effortsP22575R15 (talk) 23:41, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry that you've run into some trouble in trying to clean up the page Fraternity. Something that may help in the future, however; if you know that there is some disagreement about a page, it's always better to discuss any changes that you want to make rather than going ahead and making them anyway, as that can often turn into an edit war, and may everyone unhappy.


 * You've given my cause for concern, however. This first edit to my talk page, followed by your correction here, makes me think that you run both accounts - if that is the case, please be aware the sock puppetry is strictly forbidden.  While there are legitimate uses for alternate accounts, if you use an alternate account to circumvent any Wikipedia policy, you will likely be blocked from editing.  This is taken very seriously.  I will assume that you meant things for the best, but if you do indeed operate an alternate account, I would strongly advise you to only use it for legitimate reasons. -- Nataly a  00:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, it was convenient to have more than one account solely for a watchlist.Observatio (talk) 01:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Administrators' noticeboardP22575R15 (talk) 03:15, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

National Youth Orchestra
Thank you Natalya for answering my query, and for creating the disambiguity page. (National Youth Orchestra) I knew how to do it, but not if I had the right to do it. Just one more question - there are some National Youth Orchestras that don't actually have those words in their title. Would it be OK to include them on the disambiguity page? I'm thinking of orchestras like the Australian Youth Orchestra and the Simon_Bolivar_Youth_Orchestra of Venezuela. I'm fairly new to editing! Thanks. Jongleur100 (talk) 14:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Disambiguation pages should include links to articles whose titles can be legitimately confused with the term being disambiguated (see Disambiguation). At first, I'm hesitant to say that the other youth orchestras should be included, just because they have very different names.  If many people referred to those orchestras as "National Youth Orchestra" in their respective countries, however, then perhaps they would be valid to include on the page.  You might be able to make an article like a "List of National Youth Orchestras", however.  I'm not initmately familiar for criteria of things to be on lists, but if you take a look at Lists, there should be some information there. -- Nataly a  16:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Your eagle eye is needed pls
I wonder if you would mind looking at | this edit and keeping a watchful eye on the page and its talk page. Thanks. Abtract (talk) 21:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I certainly will, and am glad to see already your attempts to diffuse the otherwise rather tense situation. -- Nataly a 22:01, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Noticing that User:Collectonian made a rv to that page I had a quick look at her user page and talk page to see how she was going. To my disquiet I discovered she is giving me a somewhat unflattering mention on the former, whilst on the later she calls User:Ncmvocalist a "nut", suggests that another editor needs a "smack down" and further disparages me. I just wonder if she might need a guiding hand before she becomes a danger to herself? Abtract (talk) 14:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If we're going to run and complain, at least do so honestly. I didn't call Ncmvocalist anything at all. As for disparaging you, you are a stalker. You admitted it. Just because you got away with it doesn't make it any less so. And the fact that you still look at my userpage and take little notes about it just shows you are still silently stalking me. I won't even ask about the whole "danger to herself" BS. And is your calling Sesshomaru a fool somehow good and wholesome? -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 01:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

*Sigh* I think everyone has things that they could improve upon... in general, there is a great lack of civility going on between all parties here. Collectonian, your point about Abtract's the keeping track of disparaging edits elucidates the point I want to make - I highly suggestion that everyone try to concentrate on the encyclopedia more than the contributors. That's what we're here for. I have a feeling that if these behaviours continue, there will only be greater consequenses. -- Nataly a 01:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

thankspam
It's probably true - my attitude is not necessarily a perfect fit for admin work. I'm not sure what kind of admin I would have made, really; it's hard to tell. Either way, look forward to working with you and everyone on WP in the future.  Mr. IP  《 Defender of Open Editing 》 14:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Bkonrad
I don't know what the deal is with this user. (S)he keeps making the same point edit to DB in spite of lack of consensus. Can you undo it and fully protect the page? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * True, but you do keep changing it back... so it seems that both of you are unfortunately in the wrong. There's nothing wrong with taking the higher road and leaving the page even not the way that you want it for a little while, so that consensus has been reached, leading to fewer disputes and arguments.  I have protected the page for now in the form it was when I got to it - see Talk:DB for my rational and general sadness.  Also, just to make sure you are aware, you were one revert away from breaking 3RR (which is not even an entitlement anyway).  -- Nataly a  00:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!
Wow, that's very kind of you, thank you very much! :) I'm pleased to be of assistance wherever I can be. Hopefully I don't muck things up too much (well, not all the time anyway. :D). Thanks again, PeterSymonds (talk)  21:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome! And we all muck things up time and again - at least it gives us an opportunity to laugh at ourselves!  The first time I updated DYK, I managed to fail to do about half the things you're supposed to do when you do the update... but, so it goes!  The future can only be better, then. -- Nataly a  01:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Abtract/User:Sesshomaru
He has again broken the contract, see these edits. Tried to let it slide the first time, but he insists on partially reverting me. What now? Please reply below, Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Sess, apologies if you feel either of these was a "partial revert" but I assure you they were not. Neither were they "disagreements with your edits". In both cases I was building on your work and further improving the dab page. In the first edit, you had just created a redirect for Wow! to Interjection which then clearly became the primary topic ... as part of a more general cleanup, I "promoted" that entry to its proper place (building on your edit). Subsequently, you changed your mind about the redirect and redirected Wow! back to Wow (I asked why on the talk page but I can't understand your reply, sorry) so realising that you had simply missed the fact that it had now become nothing more than a dictionary definition, I eliminated the line - bearing in mind that this was not a line you had put in but just one that you had played with. I hope this helps. Abtract (talk) 14:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh Sess, I really wish you hadn't done | that which was an out and out revert just to be bloody minded, with no regard for what I was trying to achieve or what is required by mos:dab. I am doing my best, please do likewise. Abtract (talk) 14:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yet another | revert and no progress on Sess removing the warning he placed (against our agreement) on my talk page. I am concentrating on content but Sess is making life difficult and seems to have abandoned the agreement. Abtract (talk) 17:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You don't make any sense Abtract. You didn't agree with me here, so I made this edit according to the compromise reached on the talk page. What's wrong now? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * | this revert was made in most aggravating circumstances since Sess knows that I fought long and hard about the capitalisation of hp which his recent edit and now his revert altered, against the compromise consensus reached in May ... he knows all this because he took part in the debate. Also I see there is no progress on Sess removing the warning he placed (against our agreement) on my talk page. I am concentrating on content but Sess is making life difficult and seems to have abandoned the agreement. Abtract (talk) 17:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, this revert was actually made because the redirect target has changed to Hewlett-Packard Company. That's why I did that modification. Now I find that you've turned the tables against me. If anything, you reverted me first, and your edit summary isn't entirely true and you know it. You weren't so much against the edit on the talk page, especially since I gave good reason. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Really, gentlemen, I don't know what to say. You have so fried my brain with all of your disagreements that I can't even think straight about it anymore. I'm very close to asking... actually, I don't even know what to ask. Another administrator to look over the continued problems that you two seem to have, but I don't think that would bode well for either of you. It seems difficult to ask for mediation, since as soon as one problem gets solved, the two of you manage to find something else to disagree about. The almost agreement that was come to at Talk:Wow made me so happy - just seeing that it was possible for the two of you to have a productive discussion and not keep reverting each other. I'm sure that both of you could be blocked by the terms of your agreement, but I just don't know. I'm tired. It's hard to do that to me. -- Nataly a 00:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

OK apologies to you Natalya, I will not bring anymore violations to your attention. Abtract (talk) 00:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It'd make me much happier if there were no violations. I know that's a lot to ask, but one can wish, eh?  :) I still want to help things resolve between the two of you, and I'd much rather have you guys talk out disputes here or on an article talk page than just revert each other, so please, if it's between reverting each other or discussing things here, please come and discuss.  I think I just need a little bit of a breather to recollect myself.  Hopefully JHunterJ will be back sometime soon, and he can give a hand also.  It's probably too much to ask for you guys to try and avoid articles that each other is working, because you both do a lot of disambiguating, but if you're able, perhaps focus on something else that you enjoy editing, and won't run into each other at?  Just for a bit. -- Nataly a  01:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I know I said I wouldn't but he has now taken to | reverting me on your talk page before your very eyes ... please do something. Abtract (talk) 16:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Didn't know that was you. I have undone the edit, and will change Natalya's comment on my talk page to reflect the header. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks ... now change back HP (disambiguation) to what it should be and we will all be happy. You must know how much effort I put into getting the capitalisation of hp correct because you were part of the debate and you must know that your recent edit goes against the consensus that was reached at the time (this is nothing to do with the re-naming of HP). Change it back please. Abtract (talk) 16:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You can't even make up your mind can you? First we reach an agreement, then you go back on your word. No, I see nothing with that edit we initially compromised. And Abtract, consensus isn't immutable. How many times must I tell you that? Really, do something constructive for both our sakes. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yet again you leave me speechless. Abtract (talk) 17:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Bkonrad seems to have given a good explanation at Talk:HP_(disambiguation). -- Nataly a 19:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

You have a problem?
What is there to explain? I accidently posted without paying attention to how I was logged in, and then corrected the mistake. This is the opposite of sock puppetry. Perhaps you can explain how, at all, this is a case of me trying to deceive people that I am multiple persons? Maybe you should relax. And go read the policy on sock puppetry. It is having multiple accounts AND using them to create the false impression of many people in support of the same idea. And if you have nothing to do but track everyone else's posts, perhaps you should get a hobby. —Preceding unsigned comment added by P22575R15 (talk • contribs) 02:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

And, tell you what. Why don't you go report this finding of yours anywhere you want. You can find out what sockpuppetry is all on your own, and leave me out of it. And stop posting on my talk page; I don't appreciate the attention.P22575R15 (talk) 02:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that this had distressed you. I am very glad that you are taking account for your edits, because it shows that you're not trying to use multiple accounts to show extra support for issues.  I just want to make sure that you're aware of what you can and cannot do with multiple accounts - I'm glad that you do know this.
 * Also, to quell your fears, I'm not tracking everyone (or anyone's) posts - when anyone posts on talk pages that I watch, however, it's something that I'm going to see.
 * Again, sorry to bother you, and I hope you don't take too much offense at this last post on your talk page. -- Nataly a 11:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

no problem, matter forgotten. P22575R15 (talk) 14:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Talk:Parapsychology/Archive 8
Hi, can you delete "Talk:Parapsychology/Archive 8", which is an exact duplicate of "Talk:Parapsychology/Archive 9" so that I can move "Talk:Parapsychology/archive8" to "Talk:Parapsychology/Archive 8" in order to ensure consistency with other archive page names and enable interlinking archive banners. Thanks. --Phenylalanine (talk) 12:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * All set! -- Nataly a 13:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers! --Phenylalanine (talk) 14:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Shoop
I don't quite know the issue on formatting citations on name pages. Can you look at it? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's best to put any citations in the relevant articles; we don't need/want them on the disambiguation pages (as Abtract mentioned in his edit removing the citation). -- Nataly a 19:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. Though I don't think the page needs two templates. Which should be taken off? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Good catch. I just left the disambig tag on - since it is a disambiguation page, and doesn't just contain names, I believe that is the most appropriate tag. -- Nataly a  10:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You may like to look here before deciding. Abtract (talk) 12:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like it already has been added to Category:American surnames. Was there something else I should have caught from that? -- Nataly a  23:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No that's fine thanks. Abtract (talk) 06:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that's all for now. Thanks Natalya. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Peter Wishart
Thanks for clarifying the policy. In terms of notability it is hard to say. I knew about the composer and not the politician, but I am a professional classical musician so my knowledge set is different than the average reader. I would think that the MP is probably better known in England now, simply because he is alive and in current press. But for people outside England, I would assume the composer would be more known. I guess it all depends on who is doing the searching.Nrswanson (talk) 16:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your thoughts. It could perhaps be brought up at Talk:Peter Wishart, to see if those there (in a hopefully unbiased fashion) have reason to believe he is more notable than the composer by the same name. -- Nataly a  03:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Kane’s Polynia
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The Black Panther
I'm thinking about re-targeting this to Black Panther (disambiguation) because I fail to see how/why a British murderer is a primary topic. Thoughts? Inclusively, what should The black panther redirect to? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It may be because "the black panther" is slightly different than "black panther"; none of the other entries at Black Panther (disambiguation) seem to be called "The Black Panther". I don't think it's objectionable to keep is as a primary topic for The Black Panther.  If you're still not sure, though, it might not be a bad idea to ask at Talk:Donald Neilson.
 * Once you decide if you want to keep The Black Panther as a redirect to Donald Neilson or have it go to the disambiguation page, I'd imagine that The black panther should follow suit with whatever is decided. -- Nataly a 11:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe if I just say in my edit summary that the superhero is also known as "The Black Panther", changing the redirect wouldn't be a bad idea. And do you agree that the disambiguation page needs cleaning? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see your point. Since the superhero can also go by "The Black Panther", then it probably does make sense to change it.  I imagine saying so in your edit summary should be sufficient.
 * The disambiguation page probably could use some cleaning, but it's not horrendous, at least. -- Nataly a 13:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello from Cuba
Hello Natalya,

I'm writing you from Cuba,I love Country music and I would like to get in touch you to talk about this wonderful music.

If you have a chance,please write me to email address commented out to avoid spam

I hope to see you soon, Manolo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.220.215.13 (talk) 00:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I have to say, I'm not a huge country music fan. If you want to contribute to articles about country music here on Wikipedia, you might check out WikiProject Country Music. -- Nataly a  02:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Abtract
I'm sorry to have to bother you, but JHunterJ has made it clear that he will not do anything to stop Abtract's behavior, and even seems to condone it. Despite his repeated warnings and his being told to stop harassing other editors, especially me, Abtract is continuing to do so. He left a snarky "goodbye" on my talk pages a few days ago when he made his big show of leaving (obviously false), and has continued to stalking me, quickly filing a falsifed 3RR report against me for a minor disagreement at InuYasha caused by someone changing an industry term to a less common one, in which he makes a fake claim of four reverts when there were only 3.. As he has never edited that article, the only way he would even know about this is if he was continuing his stalking for the purposes of finding ways to continue to harass me. Is there really nothing Wikipedia will do about this person's continued horrible behavior? In real life, he'd be behind bars! Instead, he is continued to allowed to continue acting like this, despite eight blocks. His indef block was reverted upon his making an agreement, which he is now breaking again because JHunterJ allowed him to back out of it, despite it being a condition of the indef block being lifted. Can you do anything to help here? Is yet another AN/I in order, or will it just result in his again being giving a virtual slap on the hand and allowed to continue acting in such an disturbing fashion? Note: I'll also be asking a similar question of LessHeard vanU, who originally indef blocked Abtract.-- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 08:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Some corrections to Collectonian's claims:
 * Sesshomaru asked that the agreement be ended, not Abtract.
 * I made it clear that I would not "ride herd" on Abtract, but would intervene when something actually happened.
 * The "snarky" goodbye is neither harassment nor incivil.
 * The 3RR report appears valid; Abtract included diff links of your 4 reverts within a 24-hour period.
 * Another AN/I is unlikely to get the result Collectonian wants, given their behavior. -- JHunterJ (talk) 10:50, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * JHunterJ, I appreciate your clarification on some point, especially the one about the agreement. I do remember seeing Sesshomaru's discussion of wanting to get out of the agreement; for all we know, Abtract is still playing by the agreement.  Even if not, it was not his doing that it was dissolved.
 * For the 3RR report, I don't particularly feel confident that I could speculate how he knew about it. Could he have the page on his watchlist?  Yes.  Could he still be following your edits?  Yes.  Is it possible for me to know?  Not as far as I'm aware.  I will say that I'm not 100% sure if one of those edits counts as removing vandalism or not, but that is for discussion at the 3RR report, which seems to be going on.  It seems that people are being pretty rational about things there.
 * As for the goodbyes (albeit a lesser issue), I'm inclined to take them on good faith. His message to you does imply that the two of you still disagree on things, but to me it seemed like an attempt at being friendly, similar to the message he left for Sesshomaru.
 * I will attempt to look at all these issues with as much a neutral point of view as possible, but having dealt with previous issues before, I'm not sure if I'm giving you the outside view that you'd like. If you feel that way, you're welcome to take up an WP:AN/I report, but from my perspective, and with some good faith, I don't currently see the need for one. -- Nataly a  11:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The goodbye is one of his many subtle insults, a last word that he feels he was right over an old issue, one he continued to link about on his user page until he blanked it, and which he continued to harp on in every AN/I report and incident discussion. I appreciate you working to look at it from a NPOV view. LessHeard vanU has also asked Ncmvocalist to look at things, as someone who has also been involved in this issue before. I can only hope that Wikipedia will finally do something about this sort of inappropriate behavior.-- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 15:11, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No, the report isn't valid. The second "revert" was a vandal revert, which is not anything that gets included in a 3RR. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 15:05, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Not that diff, but the report was valid as editwarring which was why Stifle's initial reaction was to protect the page. In any case, my findings/recommendations are at LHVU's talkpage. Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your well-considered thoughts, Ncmvocalist; I've left a short response there. -- Nataly a 17:36, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Page
Hi, I am new to Wikipedia, and may have accidentally blanked my page. I don't want my pages --137.195.60.45 (talk) 08:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)deleted and am communicating with the Wiki-admin at the moment to get some help. Can you get my pages back please. Thanks.--Nitech2008 (talk) 09:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you clarify which page you are trying to get back? -- Nataly a 11:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Pages
Hi, Rifleman82 has restored the article. Thanks.--Nitech2008 (talk) 12:42, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Thanks ...
No problem. The issue of what autoconfirmed accounts can do seems to confuse people a bit, possibly because what they actually can do and what you need to do to be one has changed a bit since it was first implemented. Confusing Manifestation (Say hi!) 03:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Adaptive Audio article
Hi Natalya,

I left a comment today on the Adaptive Audio talk page referring to some recent edits and deletions. I was responding to comments from Calltech and others. Can you tell me if I am on the right path to resolving these issues?

D3innovation (talk) 17:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Asking the opinions of others is a great way to deal with these issues, and I commend you for wanting to improve the article to Wikipedia's standards. I do think Calltech does bring up some good points, and hopefully with clarification, the article can be improved.  Your example of Microsoft Outlook gives me a good example: Microsoft Outlook is an article about a specific program, while E-mail client is an article about a type of application (or which Microsoft Outlook) is one.  In Adaptive audio, are you attempting to write a general or more specific type of article?  Calltech's concerns seemed to be that the article was being both general and specific; if specific, the reason for discussing only Interactive Digital's "Adaptive Audio" technology would need to follow Wikipedia's notability guidelines.  If you were being more general, and discussing a wide range of technology termed "Adaptive Audio", then you should be sure to edit in a neutral light, not giving Interactive Digital's (or anyones) technology precidence. -- Nataly a  19:00, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Adaptive Audio article
Hi Natalya and thanks for responding.

I want to write a specific article for Adaptive Audio - the product, just like Microsoft Outlook, with references to the official web site, like velcro. I have read the notability guidelines and believe I have enough independent references in magazine articles etc to meet these standards. Should I just go ahead and add these and make the article more Adaptive Audio product specific, without sounding sales oriented? I can keep the tone neutral - I just wanted to makes sure there is no COI here with me editing this article under those circumstances. Also, do I need to run this by Calltech and the other that edited my article so far to remove the external links etc?

Dan —Preceding unsigned comment added by D3innovation (talk • contribs) 22:55, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification; I now clearly understand your goal. Assuming that you are somehow affiliated with Adaptive Audio, you are right to be concerned about conflicts of interest.  The section that will probably help you the most in this situation is Conflict_of_interest.  In general, if one can avoid editing articles that cause conflicts of interest, that is usually suggested.  However, there are suggestions of ways to avoid conflicts of interest is such editing must occur.  You have been really good about being sure to do things properly, so I have faith you'll be able to take care of this too.  One of the good suggestions at that page is to suggest/discuss any changed on the article's talk page before making any of them, so that you and other editors can make sure that there is no conflict of interest.  Perhaps you could ask Calltech (and/or others) to help you in your editing of the page?  Good luck, -- Nataly a  23:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar
Thank you! LegoKontribsTalkM 00:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Rihanna's Sales
Hi... Finally we have found a solution for the page of Good Girl Gone Bad... now you can delete the protection... ok? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.11.1.182 (talk) 18:17, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Contrary to what the editor above claims, there was no "solution" or "resolution" to the dispute at Good Girl Gone Bad. The first thing the 87.x.x.x IP editor did to the article after it was unprotected was revert wholesale my edits . Please read Talk:Good Girl Gone Bad. 86.1.249.35 (talk) 14:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Natalya... I write you to ask to protect the page of Good Girl Gone Bad, cause there's a lot of vandalism facts... and that's not good for wikipedia... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.10.242.13 (talk • contribs)


 * You seem to be adding quite a bit of the vandlism to that page. You've been warned on your talk page; please stop. -- Nataly a  13:35, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

However, the name "Jack" also has roots in Hebrew, with the meaning "G-d is Gracious

Should it not be God? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.88.207 (talk) 11:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Restrictions on editing of articles between, and and
Important Notice These restrictions are imposed upon the above named editors, and are not subject to amendment without agreement of a majority of the "involved administrators".


 * Abtract, as one party, and Collectonian and Sesshomaru, as the other parties, are banned from interacting with, or, directly or indirectly, commenting on each other on any page in Wikipedia. Should either account violate their bans, they may be blocked for up to one week. After the fifth such violation, the maximum block length shall be increased to one month. (Note - this remedy may be expanded in scope to include interaction of any other user if it is later deemed necessary in the opinion of 3 administrators to prevent harassment.)
 * A division between both parties of future work on disambituation pages may be agreed, at a neutral venue such as one of the involved admins talkpages, but otherwise the above restrictions apply.
 * The editors are already aware of the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle, and are reminded that edit-warring has a disruptive and detrimental effect on Wikipedia. Should either user edit-war in the future, they may be subject to further sanctions (including wider revert limitations, blocks and bans).

Involved administrators are, , and who should act with due notice to all the other parties. Other admins are welcome to add their names to the above, and comments by any other party is welcome.

The discussion relating to the drafting of the above restriction (adapted by LessHeard vanU from the original - and revision - by ) can be found here.

LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:21, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

+ + + + +

I trust you are still happy to be one of the 3... LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:32, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I am. -- Nataly a 13:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I REALLY need your help
Natalya, how do I get out of this death trap? My consent wasn't even given, yet this was "forced" onto me. I am heavily considering notifying the Wikipedia founders or someone of higher authority about this. Please, I implore you, save me. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but there have been so many disputes between you and Abtract and Collectonian and Abtract that I really think this is the best solution. Do know, however, that this doesn't limit your contact with Collectonian; it only says that Abtract may not interact with the two of you, and vice versa. -- Nataly a  13:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * But I don't want to get banned for editing a page where Abtract once was. How can I get out of it? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As I understand, you're not going to be penalized for working on a page that Abtract edited last year; you will, however, be penalized if you edit a page that he has recently edited. The same things goes for him too; this is to force the two of you to respect each others' space and stop the edit warring once and for all, since nothing else has worked.  If you truly have an issue with a page that he has worked on, you can bring it up to one of the administrators involved, to make sure that it is looked at.  I emphasize truly, however, because I know there are plenty of things that the two of you have edit warred on that would easily just be let go and ignored, and we will not put up with being continually pestered about unimportant things. -- Nataly a  18:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Abtract and Collectonian
Please see User talk:LessHeard vanU. Any comments appreciated. LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Um... The "resolution" may be unravelling, and a third party opinion would be very much appreciated (and don't worry about stomping on my toes if need be, honesty at the moment is of greater import than decency!) Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:01, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Pain (disambiguation)
Any suggestions on how I could rework the top? It still doesn't look that good. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the music section? You could perhaps sub-section it by artists/songs/albums, which would make the list a bit longer.  Also, you could/should put the table of contents to the right of the page (using TOCright), which should also help. -- Nataly a  11:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind, seems Abtract fixed it up . Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Wasn't that good? ... I cleaned it, you tweaked the detail so we each did what we do best. Halleluyah! Maybe there is a god afterall. Thanks Sess. 18:10, 22 September 2008 (UTC)Abtract (talk)

Unprotect Jaxtr
Hi Natalya,

You told me that to get jaxtr unprotected that I should add it to my page with sources. I've done so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:IveFoundit. Can you please review and move back to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaxtr.

Are there other steps I need to follow?

Thanks for your help.

Jim —Preceding unsigned comment added by IveFoundit (talk • contribs) 00:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for getting back in touch; I'm just having a quick discussion with the administrator who originally deleted the page (at User_talk:Chick_Bowen), but, at least in my opinion, it looks like you did a good job with the sources. -- Nataly a 02:25, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It's been unprotected. If you haven't already, just double check that there are no problems with the article under Spam, and you should be all set! -- Nataly a  15:49, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Great. Thanks for your advice and help with this. Take care.

Jim —Preceding unsigned comment added by IveFoundit (talk • contribs) 16:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Halloween
  Click there to open your card! → → → Dearest Natalya, Zachary crimsonwolf  wishes you a Happy Halloween! Send this card to other spookers, even if it's a little early. Have a spooky Halloween and cheers! Zachary

Credits
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If this card comes to you, tell Zachary how you like his card!
 * 03:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

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If you have a reckless disregard for your sanity...
...I would be grateful if you would address the continuing Abtract, Collectonian etc. discussion on my talkpage. It seems that a formal adoption of one of the further wordings proposed by you is required, since it is not accepted that the understanding we came to previously would be a sufficient basis to sanction anyone who acted contrary to it - since it would not be bad faith to believe that it was not part of the spirit of the restrictions because it had not been clearly stated. I prefer your first option of there being no interaction between Abtract and Collectonian on any page that had been edited by the other recently, as determined by the more recent of 50 edits/2 weeks, with the caveat that Abtract and Sesshomaru may agree to not report each other for minor transgressions of the restrictions independently... Please could we centralise discussion on my talkpage?

If this does not fly I am tempted to place all the past discussions on one page and request an ArbCom - I am uncertain if I want to continue stretching good faith in an attempt to keep everyone editing and avoiding upsetting each other. Oh, well! ;~) LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:05, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:Requests for arbitration#Abtract and Collectonian (and Sesshomaru)
Please note that I have made a RfAR here with you as a named party. You are invited to make a statement in respect of the request. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Gyn Talk (Visual Fiction)
Dear Natalya: again, thank you very much for your initial help when I first joined Wikipedia as a contributor/editor back in July. I have a question/favor to ask. Editor Dzied Bulbash has removed my Wikipedia article Gyn Talk (Visual Fiction) from the category Feminism and Health three times. (Editor Dakinijones had placed the article Gyn Talk (Visual Fiction) in the category of Feminism and Health on August 18, 2008.) Bulbash currently has placed this article about a series of paintings about women’s health in the Articles for Deletion page. These Wikipedia editors have distorted the facts, attacked/insulted me personally, and, in my opinion, are using personal biases in order to attack the merit/subject(s) matter(s) of the article. Furthermore, I think that this information might be of interest to you and the rest of the Wikipedia editors, because of the possibility that editor Dzied Bulbash may take action to remove further articles from Wikipedia that are in the category of Feminism and Health or in any other category that he does not like, for whatever person/ideological reason or (deliberate) lack of knowledge about the topic(s). If you would like to share your thoughts on this matter of deletion of the article titled Gyn Talk (Visual Fiction), there is a discussion on the entry Gyn Talk (Visual Fiction) on the Articles for Deletion Page. I thank you in advance for your kind assistance to this matter. I trust your expertise, insight, and sound advice. P.S. If you know, could you kindly direct me to the Wikipedia page/subpage where it describes the protocol regarding censorship, personal attacks, and vandalism (including how to deal with any of these issues)? Thanks again. All my best, Joseph Levi (talk) 02:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Abtract-Collectonian
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Abtract-Collectonian/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Abtract-Collectonian/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel (talk) 12:09, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Proposal
I made a proposal at LHvU's talk page. If you agree with it, please sign below the second set of +'s there. Cheers, Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:33, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Replies & amendment made there; let me know your thoughts. Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:59, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your assistance, as always. :) Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Restrictions on editing of articles between Abtract, Collectonian and Sesshomaru
By agreement of a majority of the involved administrators, the restrictions here have been amended in the following way, and come into effect at the conclusion of this arbitration case:

Important Notice These restrictions are imposed upon the above named editors, and are not subject to further amendment without agreement of a majority of the "involved administrators".


 * Matters between and  shall be handled according to the restrictions/remedies enacted by the Arbitration Committee.
 * and are banned from interacting with, or, directly or indirectly, commenting on each other on any page in Wikipedia. Should either account violate their bans, they may be blocked for up to one week. After the fifth such violation, the maximum block length shall be increased to one month. This restriction may only be enforced if violations are reported directly by either Abtract or Sesshomaru - it does not apply if violations are reported by any other editor(s).
 * Further remedies concerning Abtract, Collectonian and/or Sesshomaru may be enacted to include banning interactions with any other user, if it is later deemed necessary in the opinion of 3 administrators to prevent harassment.
 * The editors are already aware of the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle, and are reminded that edit-warring has a disruptive and detrimental effect on Wikipedia. Should any of these 3 users edit-war in the future, they may be subject to further sanctions (including wider revert limitations, blocks and bans).

Involved administrators are, , and who should act with due notice to all the other parties. Other admins are welcome to add their names to the above, and comments by any other party is welcome.

+ + + + +

To whom it may concern, the above was discussed and agreed upon here by a majority of the involved administrators. Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Abtract-Collectonian
This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. shall not interact with, or comment in any way (directly or indirectly) about, Collectonian, on any page in Wikipedia; harass or wikistalk Collectonian such as by editing pages that Collectonian has recently edited; or make uncivil comments about or personal attacks upon any user.

These restrictions imposed upon Abtract shall be interpreted in a reasonable fashion so as to allow Abtract to continue with appropriate editing while preventing any further harassment of Collectonian. Any attempts to "game the system" or "wikilawyer" the details of the restrictions are unwelcome. Should Abtract violate the restrictions imposed upon him, he may be blocked for an appropriate period of time by any uninvolved administrator, with any blocks to be logged here. Collectonian is urged to continue to avoid any unnecessary interaction with Abtract.

Furthermore, please note that the temporary injunction enacted by the Committee on October 16 in relation to this case now ceases to be in effect.

For the Arbitration Committee, Daniel (talk) 13:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Quick favor
Hello, Natalya. I hope you don't find this to be too much of an imposition. I discovered your name through the ar-en translation pages and I was wondering if you could help me with the translation of a single word. I would have made an official request, but since it's just the one word, I couldn't find an appropriate place to make the request. Anyway, I've spelled out my question briefly here, and I was hoping you could give me a brief answer. The topic of the article is a bit controversial so I thought that as an administrator you would be least regarded as biased in any way. Thank you very much, and please let me know if you cannot help me. -Thibbs (talk) 18:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to spell out the question for your ease: The article concerns among other things a TV show character called Farfour (فرفور; also Farfur). On the show, Farfour is a mouse. English sources provide two differing explanations of what his name means.
 * One group suggests that the name is derived from the "diminutive of fi'r which means 'mouse' in Arabic."
 * The other group holds that Farfour means "butterfly" in Arabic.
 * My own research has led me to believe that "فرفور" means "six."
 * What's the actual truth? -Thibbs (talk) 18:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey there - sorry it's taken me a bit to get back to you. I don't know if I have a definite answer for you, but here's what I've been able to find:
 * My dictionary lists "فرفور" as meaning "small bird"
 * The regular word for "mouse/rat" that I have is "فأر". I'm not super familiar with diminutive nouns, so I looked it up, and the pattern that I found would make the diminutive of "فأر" into "فأير" (or something similar... but it would have to go pretty far off the general pattern for the diminutive to turn into "فرفور").
 * The word I find for "butterfly" (both from Google translator and corroborated by the Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic) is "فراشة".
 * The word for "six" that I'm familiar with is "ستة".
 * One thing to keep in mind is that all of this that I'm coming with is from Modern Standard Arabic. It's quite possible that "فرفور" is from one of the many Arabic dialects.  If it was, my best guess would that it would be from Palestinian Arabic, since the TV show is from Palestine.  That's just speculation, though.
 * Tell you what - let me see if I can't find a place to ask about this over at the Arabic Wikipedia, to see if we can't get a better answer.
 * Thanks for the puzzle! I hope we can find a clearer answer. -- Nataly a  14:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay - I've asked at their version of the Reference Desk here - I'll let you know if I hear anything back! -- Nataly a 14:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I just wanted to let you know I appreciate all this you've gone through to help me. Hopefully we'll get an answer eventually. Cheers, -Thibbs (talk) 19:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Protestant Reformation is not the Reformation
In Talk:Reformation you propose that Reformation should be remade to be about the Protestant Reformation. I disagree but I couldn't find a suitable discussion area, so I'll drop a note here, and on Talk:Protestant Reformation to point out the talk of the disambig page. I answer mostly on that talk page, but my objection is that Reformation might not always refer to the Protestant Reformation. Instead I propose that the Protestant Reformation is reworked to be less Luther-centric. Said: Rursus (☻) 14:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Advice please
Hi Natalya.You were really helpful to me back in August so I am turning to you again for some advice. Would you please take a look at the history of Don Touhig. Someone appears to have created an account specifically to delete a portion of properly referenced, (but possibly controversial,) text from this biographic article. I have reverted their edits each time, created an article talk page where I've asked them to discuss the matter, and issued 3 warnings on their personal talk page. All to no avail. I hope I've done the right thing, but I don't know where to take it next. Can you advise, please? ♦ Jongleur100 ♦ talk 11:58, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Ha, wouldn't you know it, while I was writing to you he's been blocked.Thanks anyway. ♦ Jongleur100 ♦ talk 12:06, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Help with the Nertz Article!
Hi, Natalya. Is there any way you can help with the Nertz article? It is getting a little out of control. Nertz.com is advertising there now. They have a right to be mentioned but it seems they are launching their new campaign center stage within the article. I recommend that we re format the article to include only a brief overview followed by a tidy game play section. Variations should be linked to pages of their own and terminology should have also have it's own page like Solitaire does. Take a look and see if you can do anything to help clean up the article. Thanks so much!

I don't want to edit it myself because I am not the most qualified person to do so, but if someone does not help remedy this article soon, I will attempt to do my best to clean it up alone.Nertzfan (talk) 05:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nertzfan (talk • contribs) 05:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

RETURN
Could you return the content of the PrincessKirlia subpages? They were very fun. --Fangoriously (talk) 22:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Natalya! I have a question!
Hello Natalya! I am a russian-speaking girl, so I am not really sure what happened with my two articles I created here. One of them is already deleted, as I understand. Both of them are about my family history and I translated them personally from russian into english. So I have only sources in russian language. I guess that is not enough? Besides, these articles exist in Russian Wikipedia. How can I restore the deleted article Budzco (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Budzco&action=edit&redlink=1) and what should I do with the article Enikeev? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enikeev) Hope to hear from you soon, sincerely Lina

--Lina Pina (talk) 11:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Could you possibly quote the source that you translated from or maybe you could do a translation from the Russian Wikipedia articles? And I'm sorry I have to ask but is your family notable enough to be on an encyclopedia? -- OlEnglish (Talk) 04:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Al Farooj Fresh
Hi Natalya,

I came to your page as you are still in the category:translators ar-en. I'm afraid I have a request for you. We are discussing Al Farooj Fresh at AfD and I think it's close to being notable with English language sources, however it's probably not quite there. I wonder if you could have a look for relevant Arabic sources and bring them to the party please?! No need to reply on my talk page, if at all! Thanks, Bigger digger (talk) 12:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day, and Holidays!


MisterWiki is wishing you Happy Holidays! MisterWiki  talk   contribs  wishes you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year with all of your family, spread love during this times!

I (MisterWiki) created a video specially for you, wishing you the best for this christmas time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxOAvuNbt1o

Spread the holiday cheer by adding to your friends' talk pages. MisterWiki  talk   contribs  03:24, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Esperanza fun
Hello, Natalya! Very long time no speak! For some reason, I've just been looking through the old Esperanza pages and getting very nostalgic. It was so much fun and just so nice, I really don't know why it got so many people's backs up. How are you, anyway? I see you've not been on Wikipedia much recently (though, obviously much more than I have...). Enjoying life? How about a catch up on Skype sometime, if you fancy it? Kind, Esperanzial regards, &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 15:34, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!
Happy Birthday! Have a very happy birthday on your special day! Best wishes, Hi878 (talk) (01:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC))

Advice please
Would you please take a look at the history of Bull Arab and its talk page. An unregistered editor has been deleting a portion of properly referenced, text from this article. Another editor and I have reverted their edits each time, created an article talk page where I've asked them to discuss the matter. All to no avail. I hope I've done the right thing, but I don't know where to take it next. Can you please advise me? Cgoodwin (talk) 22:04, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello,

Would YOU PLEASE BE SO KIND TO SUPPORT MY INDICATIONS CONCERNING THE A PAINTER COMING FROM LUXEMBOURG KNOWING THAT MY ENGLISH WRITHING IS NOT THE VERY BEST AND THAT I AM A FAN OF THE UK. INDEED, I REALLY WANT TO BE REPRESENTED AT THE en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Josy_LINKELS. BEST REGARDS AND THANKS FROM A PAINTER COMING FROM LUXEMBOURG.--LINKELS Josy (talk) 01:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

hi mam.i am wondering if you might help me get started on wikipedia.i am very interested in starting an informational page about myself.where do i start.always.ty    mobile  phone number and e-mail commented out —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.ty watts (talk • contribs) 02:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)