User talk:Natalya/Archive6

Barnstar brigading
Since some awards, like the DYK medal, and the janitor mop and bucket, don't have ribbons for them, I've created Template:Ribbon2, which allows brigaders to use other images that are under 120px (which is a problem with Template:Ribbon). The template works the same but you input the size in px. I'm opting to use Image:Tournesol.png, it's just cuter!, but you can use any image you want. Enjoy pimping your ribbons, and harmonious editing, H ig hway Return to Oz...  15:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Testing new sig (I changed the pink, it was too maco XD) H ig hway Return to Oz...  16:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I amped the pink. ;) I'll try soon, I don't have the energy to spell it out for them just yet. H ig hway Return to Oz...  22:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

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Esperanza council/assembly meeting
When is the next Esperanza Council/Assembly meeting? Just curious. -- Wiki e Zach|  talk  23:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

*grins sarcastically*
Ican'tsayI'menragedbecausepeoplewillthinkI'montherampagewhenI'mreallyjustquarterItalian. And I'm cold *finds zipper* Do you call them hoodies? :P Nevermind. I'm just repeatedly having to fail and object all these repeatedd nominations for GA and FA that are either obviously poor or not changed since the last failure. And I'm being stalked. Yay. H ig hway Return to Oz...  14:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
I figured since you were an administrator and the admin general of EA you wouldn't associate with a user like me. But you were still nice and responded swiftly to my leaving. I will be on sporadically now. Gang sta  E B help me improve! 21:20, 2 August 2006 (UTC) P.S. If you went for Oversight in about 4 months I would support you. Oversight isn't that big a deal but it can make a user be much more valuable. Gang sta  E B help me improve! 21:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * What's oversight? The search function is as confused as I am. H ig hway Return to Oz...  22:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

My WikiBreak
''Have a fun time working on your project, if that's possible! I hope it goes well, see you back here when you finish (or even before, the pull of that "Sign in/create account" button is rather strong even when you're just researching here). :) -- Natalya 03:51, 3 August 2006 (UTC)'' Thank you Natalya. And that is so true, I can't stop thinking about editing on Wikipedia and now I'm preparing to update an article, ahahhaha. Cheers again. Imoeng 09:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Oversight
This is why I don't like the search engine. XD I feel like running back the newbie I was "discussing" policy with, and was made at me because I reverted his edit, when I could have just altered the summmary. And he didn't believe me about the whole oversight thing. Anytime I say something I read on signpost, no one believes me! ;) Hope you're well, H ig hway Return to Oz...  09:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Council/Assembly/Bleh
Does the Esperanza meet on IRC? Sorry if this is a daft question, btw. H ig hway Return to Oz...  15:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Does no one use MSN? Or AOL? Yahoo and MSN are together apparently. Anyway, I'm going to archive, so just tell me when you're online so I can let you be first. ;) H ig hway Return to Oz...  18:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Skype
I think I *finally* got it working... yet I'm not sure how to record the logs you talk about. A bit of help, please? :) Tito xd (?!?) 02:32, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

"Want to Join" Barnstar
Thank you for the barnstar, I appreciate it very much, and thanks for remembering the work of EvocativeIntrigue as well. That section is coming up on its six month anniversary. Cheers :-), NoSeptember  23:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
Hey Natalya, thank you for your barnstar! I'm really pleased that the FAQ has taken off so well, and I hope I can improve it so that it is more useful. If you have any suggestions, please don't hestitate to tell me :) Cheers, Tangot a ngo 11:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Consult on "circa"
Hello. I would value your opinion on my strategy for cleaning up the disambiguation for circa. It looks like most of the links are coming from date references. My 1st choice would be to change circa so that it is only about this usage and then create circa (disambiguation) to disambiguate the other entries. The new circa entry would look similar to floruit in appearance and style. --Brian G 12:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. I have make the change to circa and created the new disambiguation.  I think that it is "encyclopedic enough " as I have written it, but would appreciate any additional changes/feedback that you would provide.  I'm off now to correct any links that were pointed to circa that need to be moved to the other articles. --Brian G 20:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I saw the changes you made. Thanks for cleaning them up.  I'll know better next time. --Brian G 21:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
Natalya,

Thanks for the barnstar, it put a smile in my day!

EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 13:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Just a note
A user asked for my opinion on a article about a name, and I only got round to replying. I don't know if the article should be a Dab page, but I said you might be able to help him if it was. The reply's here. Hope you're well, H ig hway Return to Oz...  13:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey There
Hey Natalya I'm back! Æon Insane Ward 16:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Yep! and Insanity is going to reign! Going ot Esp. to find users who need a reach out. Æon Insane Ward 20:37, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for listening before!
LOL don't worry I will! I needed that break! Æon Insane Ward 21:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

A smile for you...


has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing! Michael 22:29, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Deletion information
Can you look up Image:Pokeicon.gif in the deletion log, it got deleted and I don't know why. It was used in the PCP templates, so I don't know why it was deleted. Stupid 'pedia. Cheers, H ig hway Return to Oz...  08:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you very much for your kind comment, Natalya. It's always nice to meet new people here and see how many different interests they have. I do like Esperanza but by making life bearable it also contributes to wikiholism ;-)Itsmejudith 23:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Could I get your thoughts on these?
For Esperaza

I made two images for a possible Esperanza Barnstar I'm thinking of proposing. What do you think? Æon Insane Ward 01:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I was think along the lines of 'to Esperanza members who go out of there way to uphold the values and Spirit of Esperanza' or something like that. Æon Insane Ward 01:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I posted it on the projects talk page. Thanks Æon  Insane Ward 01:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

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Cheers!
Thanks so much for the award, and I always trying to me more friendly, even if I reach the friendliness limit, ahahahha. Take care and cheers again -- Imo eng  07:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, why don't you put your name on my WikiFriends? I know it seems pointless (as probably it is!), but its just for fun as I may talk and tell my stories to my friends :P Its on User:Imoeng/PAM. Cheers, I'm going to bed now, ahahhaha -- Imo eng  12:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Your userpage
Just so you know, on your user page, all the pictures have the alt text "alt text", so your images all look odd when viewed with images off or when hovered over. smurrayinch e  ster( User ), ( Talk ) 18:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * What about if you changed it to "A beautiful rainforest walk" or "Yum! Oranges!" or similar? smurrayinch e  ster( User ), ( Talk ) 18:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Au revoir!
Bye Nats. H ig hway Return to Oz...  23:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

MEDCAB - Democracy dab page
Hi Natalya. Just a quick note that I've decided to take my debut case, if you would still like to provide a statement. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 02:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Surely it cannot be worse than the personal attacks, allegations stalking, harassment etc on the Indian religion stuff that has been debated on my page in the last 2.5 days - everything below User_talk:Blnguyen (about 90 messages). I think that most MEDCAB cases can be resolved easily (I've seen two cases the inclusion of external links and there were only a total of 10 or so posts involved), and I was quite surprised that someone suggested arbitration because most arbitration cases involve heated full-scale revert-warring and often 75+ exchanges of messages per day....Well, I'm not too scared of getting involved these days...as I don't seem to have a good record....as User:Blnguyen suggests. Blnguyen | rant-line 03:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Per Bruce's comments on the talk page of the case, is this over? If so, three things have sort of died down together rather conveniently. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 01:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Fhloston
hi Natalya,

I can't believe it got deleted, how weird! too bad really, it's really a pity and I'm particularly annoyed I was not notified again. Maybe I can try again from the Commons unless someone tells me again that that doesn't work. Thanks for dropping your note, I'll see what I can do :-( sincerely Gryffindor  14:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your supportive words
Thanks for your kind words. Sticking with it was hard at times, but was just worth it to see how the project progressed (or didn't :) ) Computerjoe 's talk 15:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Need Feedback
Hey Natalya, how are you? Umm, so, I came up with a problem cause I've made Portal:Indonesia but I found there is no place to get feedback for portals (I've asked at WP:HD as well, but no one has replied it). So my only option is to ask people individually, hahahah. So, yeah, do you mind checking the portal? Cheers -- Imo eng  17:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually its 7am here and I didn't go to bed, aahhaha. I worked for 9 hours straight for that. Problems? Uhh, its an endless story, :D.. Thanks btw, any recommendation?
 * Wow thanks so much Natalya, (a compliment is just what I need after worked so long) hehehehhe. But unfortunately I have to go to school in 15 minutes, ahahaha, but its alright, the first session is general math, so I can sleep :P Okay, thanks again, take care -- Imo eng  21:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I want to confess. I accidentally edit Templates:Life In India :( :( :( I'm a bad person!! Do you think I should ask an apology to fellow Indian? Do you know who can I talk to? Ah btw, I've fixed it, but still... Thanks -- Imo eng  00:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that btw, hahaha (about my panicy thing). Yeah and I've put my apology on the talk page. Cheers and take care -- Imo eng  01:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

.
Yeah, I guess I was just a lil' bit angry... That was my first article in the English Wikipedia you know... oh well I'll just try something else... --Scotteh 21:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for that. --Scotteh 21:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

wikibreak and speedies
Thanks for the wikibreak wellwishes. Yeah, that's what happens when you speedy a lot of stuff, but I encourage people to ask why their articles get deleted. Hopefully then they know that it's nothing personal and it's about the notability guidelines and such. Well, i'm back in town but probably won't be doing much wiki for a few days. Cheers. --Fang Aili talk 18:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

3RR
I see that I've been blocked due to 3RR violation. However I believe to be misjudged and inaccordingly punished by you. Here is the copy of the case from Admisirators' noticeboard:

User:Kertenkelebek reported by User:TigranTheGreat (Result: 24h)
Three revert rule violation on. :


 * Previous versions reverted to, if applicable: Prior versions are given individually in the description of each revert.


 * 1st revert: 07:21, 10 August 2006 (reversion to 09:16, 5 August 2006)


 * 2nd revert: 08:00, 10 August 2006 (reversion to 07:21, 10 August 2006)


 * 3rd revert: 09:05, 10 August 2006 (reversion to 08:53, 10 August 2006)


 * 4th revert: 09:14, 10 August 2006 (reversion to 09:05, 10 August 2006)

Please note that this user is fully aware of the 3RR rule, as he has been blocked before for 24 hours.

Time report made: 09:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment: The user reverts other editors, removing a consensus version and introducing POV edits.

--TigranTheGreat 09:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

This user has now made a total of 7, that's right 7 reverts today on that page!--Eupator 17:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for 24h. -- Nataly a 22:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The case is that the versions of "09:16, 5 August 2006" and "07:21, 10 August 2006" are different from the versions of "08:53, 10 August 2006" and "09:05, 10 August 2006" in my contributions regarding the discussion held in the talk page. The discussion has been considered and relevant changes as well as additional information were introduced by myself. However I was continously been vandalised (see: Blanking:Removing all or significant parts of articles is a common vandal edit) by users TigranTheGreat and Eupator by means of removal of my cited contributions with no proper reason, although their views have also been considered and relevant changes have been made according to the discussion held. I continued to assume their good faith and asked them to "...Feel free to make any changes about the points that are seen to be biased or POV rather than reverting the whole article at once." and even opened a discussion section though they have shown no interest at all. If you examine the page you'll see that there's no single addittion to the page by these users rather than deleting (by means of reverting) my cited contributions over and over again.

Possible Three revert rule violation on. :


 * 1st revert: 08:31, 10 August 2006 (reversion to 07:28, 10 August 2006)


 * 2nd revert: 09:02, 10 August 2006 (reversion to 07:28, 10 August 2006)


 * 3rd revert: 09:12, 10 August 2006 (reversion to 07:28, 10 August 2006)

Possible Three revert rule violation on. :


 * 1st revert: 14:14, 10 August 2006 (reversion to 07:28, 10 August 2006)

Comment: Though seems to be a different version everything is exactly the same except for one sentence, which was added by an unsigned user 24.75.116.160 (again an Armenian IP) not by Eupator himself.
 * 2nd revert: 15:52, 10 August 2006 (reversion to 15:17, 10 August 2006)


 * 3rd revert: 16:19, 10 August 2006 (reversion to 15:17, 10 August 2006)

However they're smart enough to work in pair so nobody violates any rule. Although; so didn't I! I'm the one who's contributing to Wikipedia with proper resources and showing effort, they're the ones repetingly trying to prevent my efforts just because the facts don't fit their political view yet still I'm the one being punished!. I kindly request from you to re-examine the situation more in detail to see things more clearly. I've never deleted anyone's contributions from the article by means of reverting just because I don't like tha facts, however revised my own edits in the light of the discussion several times. In spite of these revisions and my request of making re-edits from other users rather than complete reverts my work has been prevented by other users of which I can no longer assume their good faith. I can guess that you can be quite busy (both in real life and Wikipedia) and feel sorry to bother you with such unimportant things but I just can't stand any unfair moves taken against me. Thanks for saving time for reading all these as well as your assumed efforts on re-examining this situation in the light of these facts.  Kerten k e le b e k        Ⓣ 08:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * First of all please accept my thanks in saving your time to re-examine the situation. However I feel sorry to see the most important aspect passed unnoticed upon your statement that: "Hopefully next time it seems like an edit war is looming, you will take things to the talk page to discuss them first. That is always, always the best solution"; which was exactly what I did! I revised my edit several times in the light of the discussion held however been vandalised (blanking vandalism) by these 2 users TigranTheGreat and Eupator, who have shown themselves to be extremist Armenian propagandists several times elsewhere, which left me no other option to revert their actions (which can be classified as simple vandalism) in order to protect and preserve my contributions. You may not be familiar with the topic, thus let me explain that the article is about an Armenian "militant" group (which has been recognized as terrorist by all of the modern world today) of which these users are in attempt of hiding their killings. Their real motive was to delete the list of murdered Turkish diplomats from the article which had never been a matter of dispute after a copyright problem has been fixed. The reverts, which they claimed to have made in the sake of fixing the disputed part of the article, somehow included the tabular chronology of the assasinated Turkish diplomats each and every time, which was their primary objective to prevent from being added into Wikipedia. Otherwise their reverts could have been made partially, including only the disputed part, which to be fixed if seemed wrong rather than reverted, instead of a full scale revert, which prevented me from asuming further good faith of theirs at last. While I was continuosly revising my edit in the light of the discussion being held TigranTheGreat and Eupator insisted on their mistake by removing (not fixing) cited contributions (in addition to the disputed part) from the article wih no proper reasoning though they have been warned. I am well aware about the rules of this community, well enough to analyse and understand why those rules are there for to protect and I am absolutely sure that my reverts were justified unlike the action taken against me. I would have done exactly the same thing, given the identical circumstances for any time. However I feel sorry to announce that I will refrain from making any single contribution to Wikipedia until any trace of punishment impeded on my account due to this case be undone and these 2 extremist users be warned by stricter means so that they won't repeat their vandalism ever again (just as a reminder fron the official Wiki policy: WP:3RR does not imply that reverting three times or fewer is acceptable. In excessive cases, people can be blocked for edit warring or disruption even if they do not revert more than three times per day.). It is impossible for this community to step forward as long as extremist vandals are just skipped with a simple warning whereas the real contributors are being punished. Thanks again for your concerns.   Kerten k e le b e k        Ⓣ 18:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Wizard fix
Yes! Thank you! I didn't think the dab links were correct, but I wasn't sure how it all worked. BTW, I love your user page, great photos and your "free assocation" section is wonderful! Dreadlocke ☥  23:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If you don't mind another question, I was wondering about a section in that same article. The section Wizard (fantasy) is just a direct word-for-word copy of the so-called "main" article Wise old man.  Two questions, is that a proper "main article" linkage, and should it be just a direct copy like that? Thanks! Dreadlocke  ☥  23:09, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Rapidly reverted on Help:Disambig page
Hi, it seems the page you, I and Bkonrad were editing earlier today has had a rapid (partial) revert. See my side-by-side comparison by clicking this link (to my userspace):

which would you rather read?

It's one thing to be reverted, but quite another to have it happen so quickly and unilaterally. See what you think about it.

This may also be useful: a page on readability on the WWW. So much of WP is dull, dull gray. Schweiwikist 18:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC) (updated)

Thanks for nominating my userpage
Hi there, thanks for nominating my userpage for the Esperanza userpage award, but really, the credit should go to Sango123 for designing it. All I did was come up with the basic layout of some of the boxes (userbox area, useful links, etc.). In any case, thanks! --Tachikom a 21:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * In case you are interested, this is the basic foundation on which Sango123 designed my current userpage. Note that this was before I added the Esperanza member banner, and before I added and then deleted the illness template. Oh yeah, I also picked the general colour scheme. I love purple in all its shades. --Tachikom a 22:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

ASALA
Dear Natalya

Thank you for the warning. I am aware that I reverted User:Kertenkelebek on the ASALA page 3 times. It was, however, a last resort, and I tried to discuss it on the talk page. Contrary to User:Kertenkelebek's statements, he initiated the revert war on August 3, by replacing an already existing version of the article with his own, without discussion. His edits were (rightly so) reverted by User:Clevelander, User:Khoikhoi (as history of the page will clearly show), and it was clear that the user was disregarding long history of prior edits in order to install his version. I only reverted him when this became apparent, and there was no other recourse left. We will still continue to try to resolve the issue through discussion, as much as it is possible. Thank you.--TigranTheGreat 00:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC) Ditto. I should also mention that most of his new additions that were reverted by us, as well as two additional users were a far cry from being NPOV and possibly a copyright violation since some of the material and the list was pasted verbatim from a propaganda web site.--Eupator 00:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

barnstar
Thanks, actually that's my first. I prefer having a low profile most of the time. Cheers. older ≠ wiser 01:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Question about Commons
How do I get signed onto Commons? I don't see anything about it.

I'll upload them there if I can get signed on.

Thanks, Firerescuelieut 01:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Meeting
Sorry for not being able to be there... something in RL came up, and I was completely away from the computer until right now. I'm looking through the log as we speak. What I was thinking is that we can also have a sort of "permanent" meeting, on Skype, where things are discussed by members as they come online? Tito xd (?!?) 06:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Your message on my talk
Thanks so much for that, it was really great to see it, and really made me feel better.  Sergeant  Snopake  10:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

155.188.183.5 and 155.188.183.6
Thank you for blocking 155.188.183.5. He/she seems to have moved to 155.188.183.6 - would you mind doing another block? John Broughton 16:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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Stress
Hey, Natalya, thank you very much for your message. It really meant a lot to me, especially with all that's been happening. It's always great to talk to you, and to hear from you, and when I get back maybe we can talk some more, about happier things ;)

Yours, Th ε Halo Θ 02:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello not sure where to post this
Hey Natalya

Attic Owl has been confrimed as a sockpuppet of a banned user. A.O. just became a member of EA. Not sure where to post this so.... but though someone in EA with authority should know. Æon Insane Ward 02:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

That is what I figured but thought someone from EA should know just in case. Thanks Natalya Æon  Insane Ward 04:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Glad you liked it
Thanks for the kind words about my user page! I'm glad you liked it. Hope to see you 'round 'n' 'bout :) -- ShinmaWa(talk) 06:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

greetings
your free association stream was very interesting. i'd heard of it before, when i was in high school, but this is the first time that i've seen anyone put it down in words. ray 11:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Archiving alliteration acceptable (best I could do :P)
Thank you very much for seeing to that Natalya, twas great to wake up and see a nice new talkpage again! :) Thanks again for doing that stressful (for me at least) task. All the best --  Bane s  06:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

apology
Hi Natalya, I did not mean to edit your work. I am new and pc dumb, for days I have been trying to figureout navagateing and where to speak my mind without ofending onyone. Finnally I saw the +, I choose you because your words speak kindness and consideration. Things I say come to me I feel like I translateing and that painfull feeling we feel when our eyes have been in the dark so long it and then hurts at first lite, is how my heart feels. the reason for reaching out is for my daughter who I parent alone, she is 12 and two hands full I ever imagined. So my loftynees is in constant interuption. Interruption is what makes me artfull. So as one whale would say to another, So whale we speak in our listening well. Thankyou ps after veiwing this I noticed the first four lins went four pages in lenth. sorry for that I dont know how to fix that Kisida 21:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Dealing with autoblocks
Hi Natalya, I hope this answer explains things adequately. :) Say, for instance, you want to find autoblocks stemming from your block on User:Vvikipedia. You would enter the information like this ; if there are any unexpired ones, click the autoblock ID (e.g. #214091) and type something like "override autoblock" as the unblocking reason. An example from the logs: If the autoblocks are crossed out, as they all are with Vvikipedia, that means they've expired and are no longer in effect. Autoblocks also show up in Special:Ipblocklist, as depicted in this screenshot. Of course, the affected users need to include the IP address or username reported in the block text when contacting an admin, as no one can help them if the source causing the autoblock is not known. Well, I think that's it. Feel free to complain if you want anything clarified. ;) Regards,  Sango 123  23:50, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 03:45, 18 August 2006 Sango123 (Talk | contribs | block) unblocked #230119 (override autoblock)


 * Glad to be of help. :) I usually don't check for autoblocks unless I issued an iffy username block or unless someone requests to be unblocked due to collateral damage. Don't worry about giving vandals access back; autoblocks expire after 24 hours anyway, and we can always block them again. ;) Keep up the great work!  Sango 123  00:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure, anytime! :D  Sango 123  00:42, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Wangi/RFA
Thanks for your support on my RfA. Give me shout if I can be of help. And hey, thanks for the cliche :) Thanks/wangi 00:17, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Now, that was a good set of advice! /wangi 00:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)