User talk:Natalya/Archive9

Thanks
for the kind words on my userpage. I'm feeling much better now and I've addressed the concerns that were bugging me and getting me down. So thanks again for the kind words, and I hope to see you around! Gromr e aper (Talk) /(Cont)  03:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Article about Wikipedia Users
I am a freelance writer working on an article about the wide array of people who make Wikipedia their life, their passion, their pastime. Wikipedia “addicts” if you will. I’m looking for people just willing to tell their story of how they got sucked into the intellectual whirlwind that is Wikipedia; how you got started editing, how the obsession grew, and what you spend your time focusing on these days? Do you write articles from scratch? Is your main push toward one particular type of article? Do you patrol for typos and errors, or spend your time diligently fixing vandalism? Do you take part in the “social aspects” of Wikipedia; engaging in animated discussions or decorating your user page with all sorts of internet memes? Have you ever forced yourself to take a “Wikipedia break”? If so, what’s your 20/20 hindsight on the obsession? Basically I’m just trying to get an idea of what it’s like for various Wikipedia “addicts.” I am especially interested in talking with you about your role as an Adminstrator and your thoughts on Esperanza and the Wikipedia Kindness Campaign. If you are interested in participating, please email me at brianwrites@gmail.com68.39.158.205 03:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey Natalya! Thanks for the kind words on my talkpage. On an unrelated topic, I'd just like to praise you for your wisdom on the coffee lounge games MfD - you could have been unfairly biased due to your position, but you looked past that. Congratulations. All the best! riana_dzasta 04:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Greetings! About Esperanza COTM...
Hello, Natalya! I've created the proposal for the Esperanza Collaboration of the Month and posted it at the main Esperanza talk page because I didn't want to wait till the AC meeting. I don't even know how to get to those things anyway. As Administrator General, your opinion is greatly appreciated and desired. Thanks!  Dooms Day34  9  04:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Natalya! I'm going to dig around for proposals, but I have one more questions.  Is there some way to advertise this, perhaps on the main Esperanza page with a news update?  Thanks.   Dooms  Day34  9  05:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * (begins bowing down) WoOt! We got the head of Esperanza into our program!  Alright!  (Dancing).  But anyway, how about being an Assistant Overseer?  You seem like a great person to do so.   Dooms  Day34  9  05:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, sounds good. I'm trying to dig up a nomination, but I can't find anything good...I'm going to search broad topics that we can get a lot of people into...perhaps something we can collaborate with another WikiProject in. A war, perhaps...I'll have to write up suggestions of finding nominations later.  Dooms Day34  9  05:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, on a slightly related note, I think that was sorely needed. Hopefully it goes well, and attracts a lot of users. That will help Esperanza's image more than any other thing we could do... Tito xd (?!?) 06:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you..
Sorry to bother you but I would like to join Esperanza. I want to learn to keep cool, use tools and so on. I am not sure whether you have to be members means joining Esperanza for getting tutions or contributing for some tutorial article. Why could I not locate "join Esperanza" link on home page of Esperanza? swadhyayee 16:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I did so. What next? swadhyayee 17:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

thank you
 Thank you for your support... Thank you ever so much, Natalya, for your kind words and understanding in my time of need. I deeply appreciate your support, and I hope to be there for you, should you ever need help. — Kyok o Hello Natalya, and thanks for your support. I'm slowly recovering, though I still feel rather run down. At least I'm not suicidal, so that's a start. Thanks again. -- Kyok o 00:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Gracias
Thank you Natayla.  K  yo cat   (Talk) 01:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. You were the one nice to me. Nice people deserve barnstars. buenos noches.  K  yo cat   (Talk) 06:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I can
I can make the buttons, e-mail me the list of what you need (and any images you wish me to use). I currently building a new forum so I can do the buttons while I'm finshing up that. I will be dropping in here and there. Æon Insanity Now! EA!  03:21, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Kindness on EA
I just created a new essay (mostly a copy of a story) on User:Ed/Kindness. I would appreciate it if you could give me some feedback on whether we could use it as something useful for EA. --E d  ¿Cómo estás? 03:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your message on my talk page during my Wikibreak! And yes, I do have the tendency to express my opinion A LOT. Anyway, take this award (you get the Habanero Chile!).--E <font color="blue" face="comic sans ms">d  <font color="maroon" face="comic sans ms">¿Cómo estás? 01:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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Skype
Hi Natalya. Next time you have the time, would you mind popping over to the Esperanza Skype chat, and have a look at the current conversation going on. Thanks, and I hope all is well. Th ε Halo Θ 17:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

How can we help?
I, like many of my fellow Esperanzians are feeling saddened at the MfD of Esperanza. I would really like to know how we can be of assistance. I have already voted Strong Keep and tried to raise valid points on why Esperanza shouldn't be deleted, but I feel I need to do more. Do you have any sugestions as to how regular Esperanzians like myself can help save Esperanza? Thanks, Jam 01 10:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

MfD - Esperanza
Heh, well, it doesn't seem like refutes to my counter-points stick very well, and so I'm trying my best to 'drive them home'. Especially this - new people are repeating the same Keep arguments over and over, and the same clear reason they are bad arguments I repeat over and over. I'm just trying to reach everyone. :) JoeSmack Talk 16:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

High School
Hi Natalya, I just wondered if I could ask you a question. The thing is, every so often an IP will come onto my talk and ask me about High school (this all started when I was reverting vandalism on the high school page). I've stated that I don't know, but I've just got a message from another IP about school (I'm not even sure what they're asking me - how many years is grade school? How many years do you have to be before you can go to college?). I get the feeling that they're just winding me up, but if I ignore them, would that be a violation of WP:AGF? I'm not in any form of education at the moment, either, so I don't know any teachers or anything. Sorry to bother you, I just thought, "I'll ask Natalya. She's an admin, and head of Esperanza.". Thanks. Oh, and good news about the MfD, too, eh? Yeah. <sup style="color:#FDD017;">Well Drawn   Charli  e  22:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Natalya, have done! :) <sup style="color:#FDD017;">Well Drawn   Charli  e  23:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

RE:My comments
Hey Natalya. I find it being harder and harder to be civil, especially to this user. Perhaps I shouldn't have voiced my opinions outright there; but it's so hard sometimes. You have to admit; it's so hard to assume good faith of Ella. I lost my patience once, politely apologized twice, the first apology she replied to in a huff, and very rudely, and the second, more sincere if you ask me, she wouldn't bother to respond to at all. You can hardly call her comments civil; they borderline on personal attacks! I will try to remain civil with her, do my best, but I'll die before I apologize to her again. This debate is really stressing me, and I've got RL issues... don't worry I'm not leaving Wikipedia or Esperanza, but it's just tough. And I can't even take a Wikibreak because I keep wondering about what's happening. Just...stress. I keep worrying I've lost a lot of people's respect in this debate, and... well, yours was one I really was proud of having. Hope I can gain it back.  Dooms Day349  23:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Repost: Article about Wikipedia Users
Hello Natalya. I posted this once before under just an IP address. I was told by another user that you guys tend to ignore postings without an actual user attached to I'm reposting with my new username.

I am a freelance writer working on an article about the wide array of people who make Wikipedia their life, their passion, their pastime. Wikipedia “addicts” if you will. I’m looking for people just willing to tell their story of how they got sucked into the intellectual whirlwind that is Wikipedia; how you got started editing, how the obsession grew, and what you spend your time focusing on these days? Do you write articles from scratch? Is your main push toward one particular type of article? Do you patrol for typos and errors, or spend your time diligently fixing vandalism? Do you take part in the “social aspects” of Wikipedia; engaging in animated discussions or decorating your user page with all sorts of internet memes? Have you ever forced yourself to take a “Wikipedia break”? If so, what’s your 20/20 hindsight on the obsession? Basically I’m just trying to get an idea of what it’s like for various Wikipedia “addicts.” I am especially interested in talking with you about your role as an Adminstrator and your thoughts on Esperanza and the Wikipedia Kindness Campaign. If you are interested in participating, please email me at brianwrites@gmail.comFFFearlesss 18:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This is a spamming bot/vandal, Natalya. If he would have wanted to research this project, he would have asked JimboWales for approval.   B  e  arly  541  21:51, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and hopefully this conflict of interest won't happen again!  B e  arly  541  01:58, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

This weekend/Esperanza ideas
Hi Natalya. I just wanted to send you a quick message for you to check your email (as well as the rest of the council). I sent a message to everyone to inform them of my weekend schedule and to get some ideas flowing. I wish you and the rest of the council all the best as we strive to get everything done. Cheers, EWS23  (Leave me a message!) 21:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza's Weaknesses
Can you please tell me what the weaknesses of Esperanza is because I am trying to make a Esperanza on wikiquote and I do not want to make the same mistakes that you did. Answer me on my talkpage soon. Thanks.--Sir james paul 02:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a very nice way to put it, isn't it? Everything that is going on right now, all the confusion, is suddenly Natalya's fault? I don't think so. -- lov e  laughterlife♥ ( user | talk )  11:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * ... I've never seen such a combination of insulting arrogant, unmitigated gall, willful ignorance, unabashed bad faith, clueless naivete, and bruque rudeness in one post. I have to agree with Lovelaughterlife here...whoever this person is does not need to make a new Esperanza. --<font face="Verdana"><font color="SteelBlue">Elar a <font color="SteelBlue">girl  Talk 16:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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Well, my comment was also the truth.
And I'd also like to say that I admire that more because I am not what I should be. I am uncivil, inconsiderate of others, POVish, likely to have conflicts of interest, disinclined to deal with stupidty, hostile to trolls and uneducated fuckups, and incapable of holding my tongue. Additionally, my combative nature, loyalty to friends, and sarcastic,acerbic nature get me into even more trouble. I fear that there are people who will not be satisified with restructuring Esperanza but seek it's wholesale annihalation, which is going too far, and that people like you are the good qualities in EA. --<font face="Verdana"><font color="SteelBlue">Elar a <font color="SteelBlue">girl  Talk 16:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza
Thank you for your kind message -- I've been busy with schoolwork and friends for a while -- but now I came back to visit and do a bit of editing, and I found this whole Esperanza deletion thing. Who exactly nominated Esperanza for deletion? Eilicea 17:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I see. Eilicea 20:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Happy Turkey Day!
'''Happy Thanksgiving, Natalya!! - if you happen to be Canadian (like me), just ignore this :) -- lov e  laughterlife♥ ( user | talk ) ''' 22:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

-- and you're definitely welcome! I came across your page while reading something else (in typical wikipedia fashion!) and I saw that comment. I personally felt offended, and I just thought of how you, trying hard to make Esperanza work, must feel. The whole MfD thing is a little bit overexaggerated, in my opinion, but whatever goes, right? :) Hope you had a great thanksgiving! -- lov e  laughterlife♥ ( user | talk )  22:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: Well done anyway
Hey Natalya, thanks for the message, and sorry for being so late in getting back to you. Thanks so much for your continued support, not only in this decission, but in all things. I hope you know how much it means to me, and I also hope you and your family enjoy the Thanksgiving holiday. Warm regards, Th ε Halo Θ 23:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

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Interview for Wikipedia Weekly?
Hi!

You may or may not be aware of the Wikipedia Weekly podcast, which is now approaching its eighth weekly episode, on which I'm a regular presenter. This episode, we'd like to cover the Esperanza dispute now that the dust has had time to settle, and would very much like for you to come on the show to talk to us about it. We'll also be inviting a few other representatives of Esperanza, and User:Robth to provide an opposing view.

All that would be required are a microphone, a reasonably fast internet connection, and a free copy of Skype. We'll likely be recording at around 1500 UTC on Saturday, although feel free to suggest an alternative time if this wouldn't suit you. You can also join us in #wikipediaweekly on FreeNode prior to the podcast. Thanks for your time, and I hope you can join us on the weekend. :) Daveydw ee b ( chat/review! ) 00:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Feedback
Nice to hear about this place, since in the last two months I have experienced hate and abuse and now personal vandalism, but also love and support, which has restored my faith in the project. For a while I thought it was entirely inhabited by trolls and vandals. Mgoodyear 19:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * O, its fun, also addictive....Mgoodyear 04:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

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Welcoming new users
I would like to start welcoming new users but I do not know how to. Can you please tell me how to. Have a nice week and god bless you.--Sir james paul 20:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Admin coaching program
Hi Natalya. As Esperanza admin general, I wanted to tell you that I've made some changes to the admin coaching program. The volunteers and requests have been moved to separate pages, and I hope this will facilitate easier maintenance of this project. I also moved all the old requests to an archive because I could not tell who already has a coach and who doesn't. I hope that people who still want a coach will re-list themselves. HighwayCello used to coordinate the program but he's not around right now. So.. this is an fyi. Maybe you want to put it in the newsletter. I haven't involved myself in the overhaul debates, but I hope this program continues. I took up its coordination because I did not want it to die. Thanks, Fang Aili talk 23:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Update--the request list is just about current, and I am currently matching students with coaches. The eventual goal is to have the program more-or-less run itself, but I think we need to have all the old requests cleared before that can happen.
 * I hope you are having a pleasant wikibreak. --Fang Aili talk 19:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza mfd
I recently intervened in a discussion on misc. for deletion about removing the Esperanza pages from the project namespace.

Had there been sufficient support, Esperanza would have been forced to either shut down or take their pages off-wiki, thus effectively forking from wikipedia; a situation which Esperanza was intended to prevent, IIRC.

Fortunately there was no clear consensus to do that, but disturbingly there was no clear consensus in support of Esperanza either.

I think that the basic concept of assisting people wrt acculturation to wikipedia is a great idea. I just think that -over time- Esperanza has drifted away from that goal.

Currently the debate on Esperanza reforms is dominated by inexperienced users. It's great to see enthusiastic people participate, but they could use some input from some wise old people, I think, so it might be a good idea to recruit some, or if you have them, now would be a good time to set them to work. ;-)

Could we discuss the current situation at some point in time? I've previously talked with JoanneB last spring when the outline of the current situation was already apparent. I talked with Celestianpower just now, and his reccomendation was to contact you.

Kim Bruning 00:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC) '' Is it possible to speak with you on some real-time medium as well as on-wiki? (skype/irc/aim/msn/etc)''

SO??
Are we having EP elections? Wiki e Zach| <font color="#461B7E">talk  04:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

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Hi
Any chance you might be able to answer the question I posed here: ? Kukini 21:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * OK...so what does MfD stand for again? =), Kukini 20:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess I don't get to find out...I pulled out of Esp, as it does not seem to be keeping to its mission anymore. Kukini 03:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

A smile for you!
Just checking in with you to see how you're doing! Is everything settled down a bit more now? -- lov e  laughterlife♥ <sup style="color:#CC0000;">talk?  04:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

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Questions
I am going to write a Signpost story on the EP charter debate; I would like to ask you these three questions;

1. Do you believe that an amendment is needed to allow the council's terms to be extended until a new charter is made?

2. Do you think that we should keep the Advisory Council; why or why not?

3. How can Esperanza help Wikipedia at large in the future?

Wiki e Zach| <font color="#461B7E">talk  22:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

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Great Job
Natalya, you are doing a great job as a sysop, and also as a SG. Thanks! You add so much to the encyclopedia. Keep up the GREAT work here. Have a nice week and have a merry christmas also! --Sir james paul 23:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

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Happy first edit day!

 * Happy First Edit Day! Hope to see you around for another year!  I respect what you have done on Wikipedia, and hope you continue to contribute to this great project!  –<font style="border: solid 2px #CC5500; background: #FFCC00"><font color="#CC5500"> Heav  e <font color="#CC5500">n's Wrath   <font style="border: solid 2px #CC5500; background: #FFCC00" color="#CC5500"> Talk  04:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Have a wonderful day. Thanks for all your contribs, and your great governing of Esperanza. Continue to strive with all your edits, and thanks for doing all that you do in Wikipedia. Keep up the great work, Happy holidays and best wishes, Jam 01 08:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

 * Wow, I seem to be leaving a lot of comments for you for the past while! --Conniexo 01:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC) (alternate account of user:Lovelaughterlife)


 * remind me on the 22 of Dec. to leave you a "card" &mdash; ¡ Rand  fan  !  <sup style="font-family:papyrus; color:darkred;">Sign here?  05:05, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem, just remind me tomorrow for your "card". &mdash; ¡ Rand fan  !  <sup style="font-family:papyrus; color:darkred;">Sign here?  17:24, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy first edit day
HAPPY FIRST EDIT DAY! I hope you will keep on editing for many ears. God bless you and everyone you know.--§Sir James Paul&lt;&lt;--wikiholic§ 17:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

In which I talk about string
Yes, string is bendy and flexible ... although it's an easy mistake to make, I, um, think. :) Proto ::  ►  02:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

-Note:I was planning to hand these out on the 22 of Dec. Happy holidays &mdash; ¡ Rand fan  !  <sup style="font-family:papyrus; color:darkred;">Sign here?  23:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Newsletter
Hi Natalya, I hope I am not bothering you, but can you help me in one thing? How do you receive a newsletter from Esperanza? Do you have hold a special position within Esperanza itself or something? Thanks in advance! <font color="black" face="comic sans ms">Zachary <font color="crimson" face="comic sans ms">crimsonwol <font color="green" face="comic sans ms">f 13:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC) 13:19, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

PS:Merry Christmas!! (Its a bit late, hope you don't mind!)

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Award.
I am just a Wikipedian who just happened to get to this page, but I can't resist commenting that this award is exactly section #100. —sd3141 5   (sign here)  22:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem, you deserve it very much :D. Cheers. &mdash; Arjun  15:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Could have called me first!
Could have dropped me a line first, eh? :-)

I guess people are like that.

Ah well, I respect your decision. Have a nice end-of-year! :-)

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