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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Missing years (Jewish calendar). Doug Weller talk 11:56, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Let's look at your edit - I see a lot of your own research, for a start
"Maimonides Laws of Shemitah chapter 10 law 2 states a one year shift in the calendar from the Rabbinic dating. And the actual observance of shemitah is also one year off from the Rabbinic date in accordance with a one year shift."

That has no source- it could be directly from Maimonides, paraphrased, or from a scholarly source on Maimonides. "Jewish tradition has the First Temple destroyed in 3338 AM followed by 70 years of exile and 420 years of the Second Temple until year 3828 AM (Rashi Avodah Zara 9a). However, the Talmud (Eruchin 13A) records the first year of the shemitah cycle, with 50 year jubilee cycles, in the seventh year of the Second Temple, which lasted 420 years. With 50-year jubilee cycles, year 414 of the shemitah cycle, year 420 of the Second Temple, is a shemitah year. The Talmud (Eruchin 12b), however, states that the Second Temple was destroyed in the first year of the shemitah cycle. Many authorities therefore explain that the Second Temple was destroyed in the 421st year in 3829 AM (Tosafot Avodah Zara 9b). Maimonides Laws of Shemitah chapter 10 law 4 learns a bit differently that the first year of the shemitah cycle (3829 AM) was the year after the Second Temple was destroyed (in 3828 AM)."

I have no idea what "Rashi Avoda Zara 9a" is - I presume it's a source but you need to use inline citations - see below. We avoid the use of "however" - see WP:EDITORIAL. Does Eruchin13A discuss the first sentence sources from Rashi Avoda Zara9a? If it doesn't, it has no place here. There's obviously no source for "Many authorities. "Learns a bit differently" means that one person learns things in a different fashion to someone else, it doesn't make sense in this paragraph. Another question - do any of these sources actually discuss a "one year shift" using those words? "With 3829 AM as the first year in the shemitah cycle, this makes year 5775 also the first year of the shemitah cycle (since we have no jubilees). And yet our year 5775 was observed as shemitah because it is really 5774, but was shifted over one year, as stated in the halacha (Tur and Shulchan Aruch Choshen Mishpat 67 Law 1, SM"A note 5, Drisha note 9, Urim note 3)."

You wrote "this makes year 5775 also the first year" - where's the source for that? We'd also never use "And yet our year". As I look at this it seems that you are making a classical new editor mistake and are doing your own analysis of sources, which we prohibit - you need to read no original research. You can't reach conclusions not directly stated in sources. "Maimonides Laws of Shemitah chapter 10 law 2 describes his one year shift to start from the year before Adam was born, unlike the Rabbical count which starts with Adam's years from birth. Based on the common year zero for the birth year, which aligns with Genesis 17:24-25 and Genesis 16:16, the one year shift would make Adam's birth year into year one instead of year zero. Maimonides seems to call it year two based on the calendar shift without a zero starting year, but Maimonides second year may mean year one shifting year zero from Adam's birth to the time beforehand, which would be quite a logical thing to do."

Same problem - this is your analysis. "Therefore, year 3828 AM, the year of the destruction of the Second Temple according to Maimonides, should correlate to 68 CE, but actually correlates to 69 CE based on the one year shift. And 3829 AM, the year of the destruction of the temple according to many authorities, actually correlates to 70 CE, which is also the secular date attributed to the destruction of the second temple."

That also seems to be your own analysis. I'm sorry but you need to read the link on original research and well as WP:VERIFY and WP:RS as well. And academic discussion of Maimonides, etc on how they treat the missing years/one year shift are preferable to the primary sources. Doug Weller talk 13:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you. Doug Weller talk 13:56, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

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