User talk:Nathanfenwick

== Your submission at Articles for creation: Jonas in Frames: an Epic (Goose Lane Editions / icehouse poetry, 2014) (September 18) ==  Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Qcne was:

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 Qcne  (talk)  17:55, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * i'm not disappointed. i did this in a rush and accept that it is not presented in the most professional manner in the formatting etc...
 * i am at a bit of a loss and will see what the Teahouse is all about. Nathanfenwick (talk) 19:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

== Your submission at Articles for creation: In the Vicinity of Riches (Goose Lane Editions / icehouse poetry, 2020) (September 18) ==  Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Qcne was:

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 Qcne  (talk)  17:55, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

September 2023
Hello Nathanfenwick. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Nathanfenwick. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message.  Qcne  (talk)  17:56, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Nathanfenwick all of your drafts are inappropriate for Wikipedia. Please very carefully read WP:NOT which details that Wikipedia is not to be used as a form of promotion or a way to sell books.  Qcne  (talk)  17:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I am helping out my old university buddy, so he looks good for his semester teaching at MacEwan University in Edmonton, Alberta.
 * He's a poet!!! How can I have any vested financial interest from a bloody poet other than helping him out???
 * He's won many Canada Council grants and appears to be appreciated enough to be a professor of poetry.
 * Would adding in that i have a paid vested interest facilitate this moving forward? Nathanfenwick (talk) 18:56, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Nathanfenwick.
 * It's good you're wanting to help your friend, but your last sentence confuses me. Is your friend paying you? If he is, you must declare so by following the instructions above. If not, then no, don't make a declaration.
 * However, writing a Wikipedia draft "so he looks good for his semester teaching at MacEwan University" is absolutely not a thing Wikipedia is to be used for. That is a form of WP:PROMOTION which is strictly prohibited.
 * You need to closely read WP:NAUTHOR or WP:ACADEMIC which are both part of the wider WP:NPEOPLE guidelines. Articles about topics can only be created on Wikipedia if they meet those criteria. From your sources so far, Chris does not meet any of those criteria so cannot have a Wikipedia article. Sorry.
 * Let me know if you have any questions.  Qcne  (talk)  19:02, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * trust me...i wish he was paying me.
 * it's more of my donation to the poetry world in canada to help out an old buddy.
 * i will try to spend some time reviewing said docs as it will make me a better person and uplift wikipedia.
 * looks good is probably important these days...you should have seen his website last night. good lord. how do poets survive when they have no design capabilities????
 * looks good as an academic means having content on wikipedia. i believe you are interpreting the language in your own lens and bias, but i can understand when you say that. all his poetry buddies have wikipedia pages and his keep getting denied for some reason. they all look good, so that contextual reference means that all of academia could be deleted from wikipedia Nathanfenwick (talk) 19:07, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * this page exists:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_and_Honey_(poetry_collection)
 * and it can definitely be used in promotional capacity as well as academic.
 * How is it that poetry can be advanced if it doesn't have a place in the academic world? Nathanfenwick (talk) 19:11, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * well, thank you for your information.
 * I will have Chris review the material you have provided, such that he can assess if he qualifies. i don't have time to debate or read the material, but i appreciate you sending it over, so he can assess what wikipedia is and does to support academia with relation to poetry.
 * i'm a scientist...so i'm a bit out of my depth lol Nathanfenwick (talk) 19:15, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Nathanfenwick Believe me, I am not biased- simply interpreting Wikipedia's guidelines. The notability guidelines give really specific criteria for inclusion in our project.
 * I will also note that some of the language used in your drafts was totally inappropriate for Wikipedia, e.g. "With his restless intellectual curiosity tempered by a dash of witty self-deprecation...". Wikipedia must be written in a neutral, dispassionate way. You should read WP:NPOV and WP:PEACOCK which give guidance on how to write.
 * Wikipedia unfortunately has hundreds of thousands of poor quality articles that have slipped by our volunteers or would no longer be acceptable as our guidelines have tightened up over the years. Their existence does not mean we should be adding to the pile of poor quality articles.
 * On the note of Milk_and_Honey_(poetry_collection), you've chosen a really well sourced article to compare your very poorly sourced draft to. That article has a number of sources which are independent of Kaur, are secondary and from reliable institutions (PBS, The Guardian, etc), and provide significant analysis and interpretation. If you can write an article to that standard about Chris or his work which shows significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources, then great! I encourage you to do that. But hopefully you can see how your drafts pale in comparison?  Qcne  (talk)  19:15, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * hehehe, i love your reply, and thank you for helping me see deeper into requirements. the main reason that my writing is so poor is that i thought it would take 4-6 months for it to be reviewed and assumed chris had time to flesh it out properly and honestly, i've never done this before and was trying to get it done during my lunch hour. so i would like to thank you for the speed in which you have tackled your task for reviewing material and i apologize for using the term biased.
 * i do appreciate the standards set up by wikipedia to keep it as a source of knowledge and not fall into the hands of marketing depts etc. i only had time to copy and paste the content and not address it to the level provided in the article as an example..and it is an awesome article!
 * i only used that as an example as all content can be utilized for financial reasons, not to justify my poorly written document for my old buddy.
 * i hope that chris will have the time, while teaching at the university to address his own writing at the level of Milk and Honey! and then i will be back, with some decent documents for review! Nathanfenwick (talk) 19:30, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries. It is daunting to write a new article(s) and lots of editors make the mistake of jumping straight in without reading the myriad of policies. Best of luck to you both.  Qcne  (talk)  19:31, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * guilty as charged!
 * currently trying to figure out how to do this unusual syntax for references so that he can have the bare minimum up there! Nathanfenwick (talk) 19:38, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I would recommend the Visual Editor, which is a lot easier: WP:VISUALEDITOR.  Qcne  (talk)  19:41, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * i will review that!
 * i've been using a visual basic wsywig programming code viewer, which isn't bad, but the reference things seems a bit challenging if i have to do it myself. does Visual Editor take care of linking References? Nathanfenwick (talk) 19:45, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * do you know how to change a "stub" into a "living biography"? Nathanfenwick (talk) 19:52, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep, the Visual Editor can auto create references. See WP:INTREFVE.
 * A Stub and a Biography of a Living Person are two different things that are not really related. A WP:STUB is an article that is very short and does not give enough context. A WP:BLP is an article about a living person which has really strict sourcing and citation requirements. A BLP can be a stub. To upgrade a stub to another class of article, check out WP:ASSESS which goes over the different classes and what each needs.
 * I am off to bed now, but if you did have further questions, check out WP:TEAHOUSE!  Qcne  (talk)  20:08, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

== Your submission at Articles for creation: A Brief History of the Short-lived (Nightwood Editions, 2012) (September 18) ==  Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Qcne was:

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 Qcne  (talk)  17:57, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Is a poet even allowed to be on wikipedia then???
 * Poetry is not appreciated enough or given credibility in the writing world as it is.
 * I'll do my best to repair the drafts if they might be accepted?
 * https://www.macewan.ca/academics/academic-departments/english/our-people/profile/?profileid=hutchinsonc5
 * Awards
 * Arts Abroad Grant, Canada Council for the Arts (2018)
 * The Brazos Bookstore/Academy of American Poets Prize, poets.org (2017)
 * Professional Writers Grant, Canada Council for the Arts (2011)
 * Global Teaching Fellowship, Virginia G. Piper Center for Creative Writing (2007)
 * Project Assistance Grant, British Columbia Arts Council (2005)
 * Earle Birney Prize for Poetry, PRISM International (2003) Nathanfenwick (talk) 19:00, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Other People's Lives (Brick Books, 2009) (September 18)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Qcne was:

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 Qcne  (talk)  17:57, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Unfamiliar Weather (Muses' Company, 2005) (September 18)
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The comment the reviewer left was:

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 Qcne  (talk)  17:57, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Draft:A Brief History of the Short-lived (Nightwood Editions, 2012)


The page Draft:A Brief History of the Short-lived (Nightwood Editions, 2012) has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appeared to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appeared to be a direct copy from https://harbourpublishing.com/collections/poetry-1/products/9780889712669. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition has been be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Speedy deletion of Draft:Other People's Lives (Brick Books, 2009)


The page Draft:Other People's Lives (Brick Books, 2009) has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appeared to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appeared to be a direct copy from https://www.brickbooks.ca/books/other-peoples-lives. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition has been be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

If the external website or image belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text or image — which means allowing other people to use it for any reason — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Donating copyrighted materials. The same holds if you are not the owner but have their permission. If you are not the owner and do not have permission, see Requesting copyright permission for how you may obtain it. You might want to look at Wikipedia's copyright policy for more details, or ask a question here.

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Speedy deletion of Draft:Jonas in Frames: an Epic (Goose Lane Editions / icehouse poetry, 2014)


The page Draft:Jonas in Frames: an Epic (Goose Lane Editions / icehouse poetry, 2014) has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appeared to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appeared to be a direct copy from https://gooselane.com/products/jonas-in-frames. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition has been be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

If the external website or image belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text or image — which means allowing other people to use it for any reason — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Donating copyrighted materials. The same holds if you are not the owner but have their permission. If you are not the owner and do not have permission, see Requesting copyright permission for how you may obtain it. You might want to look at Wikipedia's copyright policy for more details, or ask a question here.

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I have deleted your other drafts as well. Please don't add copyirhgt mterial to Wikipedia. — Diannaa (talk) 00:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * these were created by Chris Hutchinson, the author who authorized me to add them to wikipedia.
 * other poetry collections are here and we will address the writing and article to make it more professional. but, to delete the drafts is from my opinion a biased and unwarranted action.
 * Can the drafts be left so that Chris can build them out over the next few months???
 * He's not that tech savvy and I put them up for him so he could work on the content. 2603:9000:F501:81C:1962:339F:CFF1:50F4 (talk) 01:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * but yes..it is a direct copy and paste, i accept responsibility for that error. but please don't penalize him for the effort i made on his behalf, while he's teaching is first day of the semester. 2603:9000:F501:81C:1962:339F:CFF1:50F4 (talk) 01:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your interest in working on Wikipedia. There are a couple of problems with your submission. You cannot post copyright material anywhere on Wikipedia (including drafts) even if you are the copyright holder, unless special licensing permissions are in place. That is because Wikipedia aims to be freely distributable and copyable by anyone, and all content must have the appropriate documentation in place before that can happen. Please see donating copyrighted materials which explains how it works. Regardless, you are unlikely to get permission to place these publisher blurbs on Wikipedia, and Wikipedia doesn't want that content either, as we are an encyclopedia, not and advertising platform.The second problem is conflict of interest. Writing an article about yourself or a client is strongly discouraged, as it is difficult to maintain the required neutral point of view. According to our terms of use, paid editors and people editing on behalf of their employer are required to disclose their conflict of interest by posting a notice on their user page or talk page. I have placed a template regarding your conflict of interest on your user page based on the information you have disclosed here and on your user page. Please see the notice below for more information on conflict of interest. — Diannaa (talk) 13:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, Nathanfenwick. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 13:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * What is an author supposed to do since the rules also prohibit a "living biography" to be written by the individual?
 * what is a poet supposed to do when they cannot afford to pay someone to help? 2603:9000:F501:81C:1962:339F:CFF1:50F4 (talk) 13:18, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, not an advertising platform. We're not here to help people get noticed. For more information, please see the policy: What Wikipedia is not. You might also like to review Notability (people). — Diannaa (talk) 13:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * i am painfully aware of this as it has been stated everywhere.
 * for an academic to be on wikipedia it is important. do not make biased allegations that it is being used for advertising. it is an academic contributing to Canadian poetry culture and history.
 * will the drafts of the articles of his books please remain so that he can write a proper article regarding them?
 * he is not tech savvy enough to get it up on his own. 2603:9000:F501:81C:1962:339F:CFF1:50F4 (talk) 13:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry but we can't host copyright material anywhere on Wikipedia, not even in sandboxes or drafts. — Diannaa (talk) 18:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)