User talk:NativeForeigner/Archive/Archive-Mar2007

Re: Re: Hey
Heh, congrats on hitting the big 100 ^_^ Still have a way to go to catch up with my 3300 though ^_- ShakingSpirit talk  21:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Quick question
Hi there - thought I'd pick your brains about this one. I reverted some vandalistic changes by two different anonymous users at People in quick succession, then went to leave warning messages at their talk pages. When I came to the second one, I found that you had left the warning there (unsigned, btw). I'm sure I've seen somewhere that the usual procedure is to let the reverting editor leave the warning, but I can't find that in a WP policy off-hand. Do you know whether there is such a policy? My experience (admittedly from only a few days of anti-vandalism fun) seem to suggest that that's how things are usually done, possibly because some people can do more things at once with their tools, but you may well know more than I do. (Just to be clear, I'm not bothered about missing out on leaving one warning - just wondered if there is a protocol for these things). TTFN Bencherlite 02:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I found WP:VANDALISM after leaving the above after saying in my previous message that I couldn't find what I was after in a WP policy (d'oh!) and agree with your interpretation. No worries about earlier, as I said.  And as for mistakes - I realised I was getting a bit trigger-happy a couple of days ago when I put  on someone's user-page, and had to revert it sheepishly and apologise on their talk page!  See you around, I'm sure.  Best wishes.   Bencherlite 03:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's because I'm using WP as a work and sleep substitute at the moment! My enthusiasm will wane shortly, I'm sure. Bencherlite 03:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Talking of edit counts, your link to your edit count on your user page tells me how many edits ShakingSpirit has made... ('Cut and paste' good-looking sections of someone else's user page?! No, I'd never do that either...) Bencherlite 03:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's better(!) I may have the numbers at present, but you've been contributing for longer. Keep going, you'll make admin yet! Bencherlite 03:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I might do next month - I'll wait and see how long this rush of enthusiasm lasts before getting myself 'tooled up'. Thanks for the suggestion, though. (If only I could get a bot to do my job, allowing me more editing time here!)  Bencherlite 03:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Quick Question
Please do not vandalize pages, as you did with this edit to Dell. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing How do you do the this edit part? Is it a template? RedSkunk 02:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The standard vandalism templates like uw-vandalism1 have a parameter for the name of the page (use  ), but they don't have any way of including a link to the actual edit. Creating such a template would be possible, however using it would require you to go back and find the 'diff' of each reverted edit after reverting it, copy the URL from the address bar, and paste it into a template on the user's talk page, which is a bit too much fuss for an ordinary vandalism warning.


 * Any help reverting vandalism is appreciated, so don't worry about not doing it. If you do want to include a link in the message, you can just tag one onto the end before your signature.


 * The warnings I leave are generated by a program I've written to help deal with vandalism, which keeps track of the edits reverted and fills in the URL for me. It's not really in a state that I can make it generally available at the moment, but there seem to be other tools around if you're interested, e.g. WP:TWINKLE, WP:VF and WP:VPRF. Thanks – Qxz 04:14, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism of your user page
Saw what some nasty IP did to you earlier - looks like you're going to have to update that userbox counter you've got! Bencherlite 19:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've just logged on, and after our chat last night your user page is on my watch list. Saw there was an rv edit summary that someone had left on your userpage, so I checked out of interest.  Probably only "counts" as one, even though vandal took two attempts to get it "right"! Bencherlite 19:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

What did I think of that?
How about "This user has lived on enemy territory"?!! ;-) "Just outside Edinburgh" sounded a little fussy for a user box: "near Edinburgh"? "In Scotland"? Not quite sure what to suggest, as I have no idea whether you count yourself as English, Scottish, American, or something else...  Bencherlite 20:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, so it's Redskunk MA! It looks fine.  (I saw about 3 million userboxes on one user page yesterday, including "This user has spent so long looking for userboxes that he's feeling drowsy now"... so your collection is modest in comparison!) Bencherlite 20:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Compared to some I've seen, it at least has the benefit of being sensible and informative. ("This user likes apples" etc - oh come on!) Bencherlite 20:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Haven't seen something like that on my travels (nor on a quick search) but will keep my eyes (and ears) open. Bencherlite 21:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Pop-Ups
I dont really know TBH

Pop-ups is one of the most commonly used one.

Ive got a fairly customised monobook.js and monobook.css, copied from someone else and slightly modified for colours and such

I dont use it that much, as it doesnt affect IE...

Reedy Boy 22:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Have a look at Tools Reedy Boy 22:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

RE: Bot Request and Signature
It's just what I've entered into 'Signature' in Special:Preferences, nothing fancy ^_^

And sure, I'm sure ShakingBot can help, what exactly is it that you need doing? ShakingSpirit talk 17:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem, will get ShakingBot right on it. And about your sig, make sure you have "Raw signature" checked ^_^ ShakingSpirit talk  23:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Your new sig is broken >_< ShakingSpirit talk  23:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

New signature?
Hello again,

Perhaps this code will work? I put it in my signature for a moment to test it out, and it appeared to work correctly....

Red Skunk talk

Should produce: Red  Skunk talk

Hersfold (talk 01:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and...
 * Yay, barnstarness! ^_^ I look forward to seeing your new user page once it's complete! Oh, and I 'found out' because I've got your talk page on my watchlist - just making sure you keep outta trouble ^_~ ShakingSpirit talk  04:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm either going to have to hide the barnstars...or just add more userboxes! :D Congrats on breaking the 250 mark ^_^ ShakingSpirit talk  04:16, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep it simple, keep it useable, and plan plan plan! ^_^ ShakingSpirit talk  04:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Manually copy and paste....but you're right, I should write a script to do it! ^_^ ShakingSpirit talk  04:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup, it definatly jars less against the bright yellow than plain white ^_^ ShakingSpirit talk  04:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

NP Watcher
Oooh, who's got a flash new signature AND a barnstar then? Someone's been busy! Not sure how NP Watcher actually works as I've had to download Windows Net 2.0 in order to run it and haven't had a chance to put the two together. Should be useful for keeping an eye on things... Bencherlite 09:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * NPW is working perfectly. Feel free to ask me any information about it. Happy Editing by  Snowolf  (talk)  CON  COI  on  09:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Glider task force
You may be interested to know there is a new joint task force between WikiProjects Aircraft and Gliding covering gliders. Please join us by adding your name at: WikiProject Gliding/Glider task force. Dhaluza 18:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof!
I fixed the approval bug from last night. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 15:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof!
I fixed the approval bug from last night. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 15:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Twinkle
Hey - Twinkle is basically a set of tools that add various functions. For instance, there is a button that enables you to rollback edits by a particular user, and there is also a menu for selecting warning templates. You install it but pasting some code into your your monobook.js file. There are more details about it here, and it tells you what code to copy and paste. I also use Vandal Fighter to see all the edits coming in. They work quite well together. Will (aka Wimt ) 00:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Saw you asked about Twinkle
WP:TWINKLE is the latest in a long line of user scripts, I believe most of its features relate to recent changes patrol (and anti-vandalism especially). It'll add quick rollback, automatic reporting to WP:AIV, and so forth. It integrates into your browser, which is useful. I see you've used VandalProof, previously, so it'll be the same category of help as that. They've all got strengths and weaknesses. :) If you find that's a bit much, popups can still be pretty useful. – Luna Santin  (talk) 00:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Most of the changes should be more obvious when you're looking at a diff; I don't recall the browser compatibility for Twinkle, off-hand, but historically most of our user scripts unfortunately have a strong preference for the Firefox browser. – Luna Santin  (talk) 00:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm. =\ Did you bypass browser cache? Full reload is Ctrl+R, if I recall. – Luna Santin  (talk) 00:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion
Don't try to intimidate those who you think are newbies, because sometimes they are not, as is the case with me. Added reference to smyth article. Vandalism? lol The strokes 19:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The strokes = 68.149.135.29 = Jaskaramdeep (formerly). The strokes 21:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for stopping by - good to hear from you. Korean keyboard sounds fun! You're right, I do need to archive (these messages just keep coming, and not all from you(!)) - I've seen Werdnabot on my travels (which you use, I think) and so I've added the code from the Wernabot "how to" page. If it doesn't work, I'll come and have a look at your code. Edits are increasing, but mainly reverting vandalism. Haven't used NPWatcher much, but it does have a handy "one-click" function to list a page for speedy deletion and put the appropriate warning on the creator's talk page. Probably more things I can do with it when I get more familiar with the policies (getting to know "speedy delete" reasons quite well, have PROD-ed a couple of articles and taken a couple of things to discussion for deletion, but still a way to go...). Hope all is well your side of the pond. Best wishes. Bencherlite 23:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Tsk, some people! Fortunately, I've not had too much bother so far as a result of my edits - a couple of vandal-fighting mistakes (by me or by others) that have been resolved quickly and pleasantly with some discussion. Reading around, the problem seems to increase when people have rather different views about what a page should, or should not, contain, and I'm not planning on getting too involved with contentious subjects just yet... I'll look by your editor review and see what's happening there.  Thanks for pointing it out.  Bencherlite 23:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Avro Arrow
Hi Mr. Redskunk, I wonder if you could take a look at the Avro CF-105 Arrow discussion page. It seems to have degraded into a discussion over the relative merits of the decision to cancel the Arrow. However, there is an editor that has been compelled to take the discussion into a bizarre turn. He actually backs up his own opinion with comments from an unknown IP address that can be traced back to... him? I don't need anyone to intercede except for maybe an administrator but take a look and give me your opinion. Bzuk 04:39 4 March 2007 (UTC).

Thanks - think.... 1. I have never sock puppeted. I use my own Ip addr., as I have explained... 2.an HTTP: link is not a sock puppet. 3. Removing my 18 word defense of the Hon. George Pearkes as Vandalism, from the article was rather beyond the pale. The deed records to your ip, Bill. Red, can you assist in clearing up that awfull,IMHO, "black Thursday& Political" section on the Arrow site? It is just plain WRONG. thanks70.72.1.203 01:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Golly gee whiskers! Deres dat IP again!{:-')

Opuscalgary 01:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Red:

Sorry,it is the"Black Friday" section of the AVRO ARROW article.If by the end of June 2007, no neutral editors show up,I would be interested in truthing those two  sections of the aticle( & chopping the length). Wikipedia has to tell the truth. I'll leave this with you. (Bill, why don't you canvass for a volunteer to clean up the article, while you are rounding up your gang?)

I'll stay out of the school yard after dark..yukyukyuk

regards Opuscalgary 16:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC) hey Red: The ip is mine - shows up when me forgets to sign in.

The trouble, in a nitshell( no typo!) is some people have become deeply attached to the'conspiracy legend" It gets passed around from Arrow buff to Arrow buff.

The harm? The Hon. George Pearkes, VC, was one amazing statesman, soldier, Battle hero,& Mountie,& he got that VC under fire, not pushing paper. Portraying him as a 'dupe' in wikipedia is unfair. Line drawn. ChaioOpuscalgary 02:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Archiving
(I see you're spreading the word to other users about this!) It seems to be sorted now - I did check the code on your page (and "borrow" a couple of differences that I noticed, but remembered to keep my own user-name) - I think the problem was that I hadn't created the archive page for Werdnabot to move items to. Thanks for your prompting and offers of assistance. (You'll be getting me to get a better signature next...) Bencherlite 16:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a chance that things will calm down of their own accord, of course. It is surprising how excitable people can get about their favourite articles.  Doing something else will help take your mind off things, with any luck - although helping out at WP:DEAD might not be everyone's idea of fun!  I think your user page is fine - a balance between useful links and some (but not excessive) personal information about you.  Just leave space for the barnstars that will no doubt start rolling in over the coming months!  Bencherlite 21:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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Gloster Meteor
Without drawing down 'Holy fire', Bill, please consider Michaels' argument in view of: a. Precise dates for events in Nazi Germany, summer 1944-spring 1945, are OFTEN not verifiable. The reasons: 1. Records were ALTERED to place, or remove, participants from events prosecuted. German military staff were ordered to attend, slave labour conferences to render them complicit. In order not to explain that someone was a powerless bystander at an event discussing slave labour, documetation ,is 'produced' that he was flying the Me262 on a certain date, for example.

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Your NPWatcher Application
Dear Redskunk,

Thank you for applying for NPWatcher!

 Snowolf (talk) CON COI  -  22:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to haven't answered you earlier. I didn't spotted you question on my talk page :-(. You have to install .NET framework 2.0.  Snowolf (talk) CON COI  -  21:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Editor review
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