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 * I really like the replacement backronym I came up with for NWOAHM. It's fitting. Picture a sluttie flute-looking thing that happens to be from the frosbitten kingdoms of the North being covered in blood. Oh, I know, they must be cramming them up the asses of those people who think NWOAHM is an American metal movement, or metalcore jackoffs. Either way, it's a win. I totally rule.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 17:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to leave comments here about the steaming pile of crap known as NWOAHM.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 17:04, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Howdy. I've heard/read about the term, though I always thought it was dumb (since it is an obvious rip-off of NWOBHM). I think it refers to the mix of west coast thrash with east coast core = God Forbid, Killswitch Engage, and Chimaira. If anything, it is an insulting term because it gives the impression that the bands are trendy. Not only that, we already have a genre called metalcore (at least that older folks like me recall), so what is the point?? ;)  A Sniper (talk) 17:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly! I have a lot of arguments for why this "NWOAHM" does not exist (like there being hundreds of famous thrash and glam metal bands in the eighties who should be the "NWOAHM" if there ever was one) but you came to the conclusion yourself that it is the same thing as metalcore which was what was argued for in the past and which is why it was redirected to the metalcore article for the longest time. I may delete the NWOAHM article soon (I'll let you know), feel free to express your opinion there when I do).  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 17:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm honestly not completely sure. To begin with, I was in total agreement with you, but Lykantrop has made a few good points; however, I'm making it out to be more than it is. NWOAHM just seems to be little more than an umbrella term covering groove, metalcore, and possibly either elements of thrash or melo-death at best - the same way extreme metal covers thrash, doom, black and death. For all intents and purposes, I'd have to agree with you over Lykantrop; for the most part, it does just seem to be metalcore and its varients. On the one hand, it is a bit of a neologism - on the other, Lykantrop has done a fine job of sourcing the article; so I'm a bit on the fence - so much so that I've mostly chosen not to get involved. I don't support Lykantrop enough to defend the article, and although I am more on your side of the fence than his, I don't truly oppose the article enough to nominate it for deletion. ≈  The Haunted Angel  18:51, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, fair enough. Well if it gets nominated for deletion I'll let you know and you can feel free to discuss it at the AfD at that time if you wish.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 16:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Well at least three users, besides me, support the deletion of NWOAHM at this time.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 20:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Make that four... JackorKnave (talk) 23:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

June 2008
Please do not gratuitously remove content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. 82.69.68.47 (talk) 18:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:
NWOAHM. 'nuff said. Bloodredchaos (talk) 09:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those assholes made Bloodredchaos retire all because of their fake wikipedia invention of the so called "NWOAHM"!!!! WHY!? Yargh!  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 20:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Metalcore
Saw your "revision" of the metalcore page (removal of melodic metalcore and death metal). You have deleted sourced information because it does not coincide with your opinion. Please see the references (June Alternative Press and Mudrian's Choosing Death). If you remove sourced information again, I will report you for vandalism. Aryder779 (talk) 19:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Your the only one who seems to think that melodic metalcore exists and that death metal was an origin for metalcore. You cannot report me for vandalism just because you don't agree with my edit. It's not vandalism. Oh, and ONE person from an early metalcore band said HE, personally, was influenced by death metal. That's your source? That doesn't mean death metal was an origin for all metalcore. Give me a break.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 20:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Civility
I am pretty shocked to see an experienced editor like yourself with such a lack of civility. Even if someone is posting as an anonymous IP address, does not allow you to bite them. -Seidenstud (talk) 15:30, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry? Sometimes I can't control myself when dealing with idiots on wikipedia. There's a lot of them, no doubt. I'm mostly civil even when running into blatant vandals or people who just want to bring down wikipedia, etc. But sometimes...there's just somebody so stupid that comes along trying to espouse their views on others and won't accept, "no," for an answer. That's where the bitchslap comes in. You gotta just slap 'em a little with your words and wake them up. Y'know? Smell the daisies or w/e. Because some people don't learn. They want you to accept what they say when they have no proof, no sources and worse, no logic behind their reasoning. So sometimes I just say, "Hey, stop. Calm down for a second. Ok? You're an idiot and you need to realize it and stop. So we can all get on with actual shit that matters." If you didn't guess it by now, evrything I've just said was intended to be humorous (albeit true to some degree). Nice Manowar shirt.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 20:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

June 23, 2008
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NWOAHM
Please discuss it on Talk:New Wave of American Heavy Metal or on the talkpage of the concrete article before you remove the sourced information from the aticle (not like here, here and here). Thanks --  LYKANTROP    ✉  23:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Metalcore
Hey dude, Well, Revolver magazine, at the very least, agrees with me that melodic metalcore exists. And as for death metal sources, Hatebreed and Converge have also discussed death metal influences in detail. I've agreed to remove death metal from the infobox, so I hope it's a moot point at this point.
 * You clearly enjoy fighting and fancy yourself some kind of expert. Just don't remove the melodic metalcore section again and we'll be fine -- it's necessary to make a distinction between Underoath or whatever on the one hand, and the early '90s groups on the other.

Have a good day -- I read about your medical difficulties and wish you the best. Aryder779 (talk) 01:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You don't seem to understand one thing. This has been discussed before, a few times. Each time consensus was that melodic metalcore does not exist as its own subgenre. Melodic in this case is just a description. Yes, it was agreed that metalcore has gotten more melodic over time, but it is not its own subgenre. I listen to black metal (among other things) and certain bands are described as depressive black metal, epic black metal, atmospheric black metal, etc. and they all have a specific sound that is different, but they are not their own subgenres. Rather, depressive/epic/atmpspheric/etc. is merely a description. Oh, and your one sources doesn't mean anything. You can find a lot of sources out there for ANYTHING with just one source talking about it (as in this case, supposedly, with that magazine). One source doesn't mean jack. Sorry. I wrote a fuller explanation on the metalcore talk page.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 16:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Please see my response on the talk page. Aryder779 (talk) 20:35, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow...
You know, you were saying a while ago that people often considered you an extremist when it came to Wikipedia, but I can see things from your perspective, now... ≈  The Haunted Angel  20:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC) I'd also like you to take a look at the folly of this IP's edit - he claims that the Carey example is correct, when there's the Audioslave version (back to line breaks, by the way) right next to it. However, I don't know if you knew this (you're more up to date with the comma/line break discussion than me, so you probably did), but it appears that there is a consensus for the albums - which appears to be commas - ALBUM ≈  The Haunted Angel  01:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've started to list together all the IP's that I suspect of being the same person. If you're at all interested, take a look here ≈  The Haunted Angel  22:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it's funny and ironic how many line break people get blocked...
Now not all of them war or anything. But some of the more extreme ones constantly get warnings/blocks on their talk page. Yet, this almost never happens to the more extreme comma break people. A lot of the more extreme comma break people seem to mysteriously appear under IP addresses (I've already found evidence of a few that definitely tie them together; sockpuppetry). But anyways, even the oens who don't, don't seem to get warnings when they edit war. Most admins seem to not touch the genre delimiter issue at ALL, yet I can't help feeling that more of them support comma breaks, because it seems liek nothing gets done to the extreme comma breakers. They get warnings, get reported, etc. but nothing happens. Whatever. I may just be paranoid. Definite possibility.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 17:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Quick question
How in the bloody hell can I get an image to show up as an image? Whenever I try to get a picture of Dawn of the Black Hearts up on my user page, it just shows up as a link to the actual picture, and it's pissing me off.

BTW, I checked out the "hilarity" section on your page. Are you a Rush fan? Because I'm one of the biggest. That was very amusing, if Geddy ever found that, he'd crack up as well. Paragon of Arctic Winter Nights (talk) 23:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I had a bit of time today. Thanks, though. And may metal and Rush live forever. Paragon of Arctic Winter Nights (talk) 21:04, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Just letting you know, there's been some goddamn bot that keeps removing that image from my page. I'll tell you if it keeps happening. I'd normally contact someone else for this kind of problem, but I can't think of many other admins that would help me maintain Dawn of the Black Hearts on my page. Paragon of Arctic Winter Nights (talk) 23:59, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, someone.... names shall go unmentioned, as they're there for all to see. Because of this, I've taken the liberty of PERSONALLY e-mailing Mayhem to find out. Although I'm pretty sure they'd be quite happy to have someone displaying it for them. May Lord Satan command Per Yngve Ohlin in death. For All Tid, Paragon of Arctic Winter Nights (talk) 00:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Curious, why wasn't it named WikiProject Kvlt? It would seem to be more in character. That said, I've signed on to WikiProject Black Metal. Also, what do you think of my new signature? It's my name translated into Norwegian. Mønster av Arktisk Vinter Kvelden (talk) 00:44, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

New Wave of Scandanavian Metal
Just kidding. Seriously though, what the Hell is with NWOAHM? It's not genre defininng stuff or anything. Bay area thrash in the EIGHTIES, yeah, maybe, but if there's a metal movement that's changing metal it's from Europe -Not America. Unless you count crappy metalcore -and I don't. Pantera has been probably one of the more genre defing bad to come out of America in the nineties (which is debated anyway, love them though I do), but I honestly can't think of anything from any other metal band in America that has't been done before, especially in Europe. Hoping that you get well and that that article quickly goes away: JackorKnave (talk) 23:46, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Bay area thrash wasn't the only movement in USA, dude. Are we forgetting the NY/NJ movement (hardcore-heavy metal, e.g. SOD, Bad Brains, Madball, Cro-Mags etc.), the later southern movement inspired by NY/NJ hardcore-heavy metal (Groove Metal, e.g. Pantera, Exhorder, Pissing Razors, etc) the Florida thrash/later evolved into Death Metal with bands like Cannibal Corpse, Six Feet Under, etc. etc.)

Its not just limited to the Bay area, man.DarrelClemmons (talk) 02:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with what both of you said, though you never made one thing clear, DarrelClemmons. Do you believe in this "NWOAHM" or not?  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 18:24, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Only if it were to include the full history of the American movement which it seems to lack sources for that, and yeah it does seem to be a neologism of sorts. I kind of sit on the fence on the issue, because I see there was a huge metal movement in the states but not until recently did this "NWOAHM" phrase come about, and if it IS to float around and be touted like a trophy I think props and respect need to go out to the true progenitors of the real metal movement that happened in the states, you know what I mean? If props are to be given, it should be noted and noteworthy that the real movement began in the 80's and early 90's, you know? Not just now in 2000. Its ridiculous to think it just now began, and so many new bands touting this banner when they didn't start it. Bands like Testament, Death, Exhorder, Nuclear Assault, etc, and the like deserve a lot of the credit, considering they were only briefly in the spotlight, and now bands like KSE (I don't hate 'em, but still) are taking credit for "metal in the states" - it was there long before them. You know what I mean? DarrelClemmons (talk) 21:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC) (edit: Sorry, I originally put this message below, *doh* I feel dumb as hell lol) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DarrelClemmons (talk • contribs)


 * I agree with you, Darrel. But the "NWOAHM" that Lykantrop is pushing on everybody else with his horribly inaccurate article is basically just metalcore bands. Well, wther you vote for deletion or not, I hope I can count on you to voice your opinion when the article is put up for deletion. Thanks again.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 22:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Just leave a message when it's proposed and I'll vote for it's deletion. JackorKnave (talk) 21:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Will do.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 22:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Navnlos/Blizzard Beast
I love your work and your passion for metal, bro. This is coming from a die-hard fan. Don't give up editing wikipedia. I know wikipedia has a "neutral point of view" but at the same time, I don't think a neutral point of view is really viable. I think we need passionate editors from both angles to present a true neutral point of view (e.g. both sides are explored passionately, but not argumentatively) and its left to the reader to decide for themselves. But anyway, I like the majority of your work, sometimes I think its easy to get caught up in it though, I remember when Groove Metal was brought up for AFD by a troll, I almost had an aneurysm. Don't let edit wars break your spirit, and try to not get so passionate about something that it angers you when someone has a different perspective. Anyway, thanks for your edits, and please don't leave wikipedia. DarrelClemmons (talk) 02:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It means a lot to me that you would say these things. Thank you very much. Unfortunately, I already have left wikipedia it would seem. Perhaps this is just a temporary lull, but I get on less and less and I care less and less when I realize wikipedia is no longer based in truth. When you get things like NWOAHM where that one user is obviosuly making the article as a protologism and is using wikipedia to make a fake term real (which is expressly against rules) it just kinda makes me flip. And then I disconnect. So I may come back, and I will still probably make some very small edits from time to time (most likely under an IP address) but, right now, wikipedia and some of its users have pissed me off and disappointed me so much that I cannot handle it. Thank you again for your nice comments, though. I really appreciate it.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 17:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Regarding your possible sockpuppet IP list
Yeah, I have to agree with you - at times I've felt the care of editing Wikipedia start to dwindle. The main problem I've realised, is that, especially in the comma/line break war, the anons can do as they wish, and jump IP before they can be properly warned, leaving us defenceless against either letting them have their own way, or us breaking the 3RR. Adding Twsx and Libs to that list wasn't probably a great idea - again, I wasn't really accusing them or anything (Twsx especially, I agree with you when you say he has too much honor for that), but more for easy reference. And your alt user name idea sounds good, but yeah, unfortunately one would be blocked due to sock puppetry. ≈  The Haunted Angel  18:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, well I agree with you 100%. It doesn't seem fair. I wish there was more protection from anons. I've talked about banning them altogether before, and forcing people to make accounts. But I realize people are lazy and I know there's been a lot of good edits to come from anons, too (though I think anons have caused more destruction than good editing). Multiple anons or w/e are a huge problem, too. They're the worst (like this one. The ones that belong to hundreds of users. They can't be indefinitely blocked because more than one person uses it and they might not all be vandals. But my experience with those particular kinds of anons is that...well, they're used by all vandals. And they'll even beg to be unblocked because it wasn't "them" who did the vandalizing and so they'll be unblocked just to do it all over again.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 18:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I have to agree with you completely there. I've said before, and still believe, that one must have an account to edit - if an IP wants to edit so badly, it'd take a mere minute to set up a user name. Still, an IP could jump usernames fairly quickly, but it'd probably be easier to catch them with the checkuser. ≈  The Haunted Angel  18:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Barnstars
Thanks! I'm flattered! Kameejl (Talk) 10:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Slayer
Ok, noticed the comment about Slayer (finally). I'm not on here much to screw w/ Wiki, just when I see something wrong, such as this. As far as the punk influence, yes they were *originally* influenced by them. But by the album "Reign in Blood" they were noticeably more influenced by thrash metal. Look at any top 100 "Best thrash metal albums of all time". Also Kerry King was temporarily with Megadeth and this also changed their sound in a Thrash direction. When this album came out, hardcore was virtually unknown. The punk influence statement belongs in the beginning of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.205.47.228 (talk) 13:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Just saying hello
Hope all is well. Best, A Sniper (talk) 04:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

It's been awhile dude.
Hey man, I have been off for a major long time. Been ill and all. Anyway, I read through the arguments and the article. It's your typical 'america wants to create another wave because europe beat them in 1966 and 1975" syndrome. I love my long reasons, don't you? No offense to america or nothing...METALFREAK04 (talk) 20:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, America sucks. The dude who's promoting the non-existent NWOAHM is not evn American. Or at least does not speak English fluently.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 20:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

For those of you who didn't realize: I'm retired...and here's my retirement speech
I haven't edited in months (which is like lifetimes away from wikipedia) and I don't really want to edit. Sometimes I edit once in a long while on anon IP's but just little crap like spelling and grammar. I'm sick of all the fighting, stupidity and unfairness that takes place on wikipedia. I'm tired of people not following the rules and tired of people who instead of having a conversation, jump the gun and be total dumbfucks and start wars. I'm tired of articles like NWOAHM (I can't believe it still exists) which is an article about something that doesn't exist but because the guy promoting it has a few sources, due to some retarded shits who mentioned the subject in their "professional" music articles, it's okay and the article is not outright deleted for being misinformation as it should be. I'm tired of the addiction that wikipedia brought on. I'm tired of the time it sucked up. I'm tired of talking to some of the people on here. I'm just tired of wikipedia. Or at least that's how I felt these last few months. I've thought of coming back but decided againt it every time. Wikipedia seems to be functioning just about the same with me gone (the same wars still take place, the same people, the same bullshit). So I may come back, but I probably won't. I'm also pleased that it seems line breaks are getting more popular (at least among the metal articles, though I admit I don't look them up much anymore). Anyways, it's all inane. I wanted some semblance of my life back after wikipedia drained it away. I got it, and I'm at least somewhat pleased with it at the moment.

If you need to speak with me just drop me a line and email me. Messaging me here only almost certainly guarantees that I won't see it. If you don't know how to email other users...well, you're just plain out of luck. You'll live.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 20:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry to see you go, mate - I feel about the same on the matter of Wikipedia at the moment, but we'll see how it ends up. See you about. ≈  The Haunted Angel  20:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your empathy and sentiments. Feel free to email me if you have any trouble or anything else.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 20:40, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * In some ways I'm starting to feel the same but mostly because I'm in college again. I have almost no time to edit, so I might do the odd couple of edits on an ip. It doesn't mean I'm quitting, it just means with all this business I can't dedicate some of my time to wiki, I just can't continue editing the way I was. I'll be around and you can email me too if you want. I might say some more things soon but I'll probably email you for that. Hope you are well elsewhere. − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  20:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've been busy in college, too. Alright, cool. Thank you and I hope you are well, too.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 21:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

It's a shame you're retired forever. I think Scarian was going to come out of retirement just so he could nominate you to be an admin again. :-D The Real Libs-speak politely 21:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say "forever." We'll see what happens. I'm honored he would consider me for admin at all and it's nice to hear you speaking to me so civilly for once, though this could be all sarcasm on your part. But in any case, thanks.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 16:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey there. Sorry to see you go. I think we were finally starting to run on the same track. :) PS: I thought you might enjoy this. ~ | twsx | talkcont | ~ 12:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll admit I still like line breaks, but I'm inclined to agree with you and we both seem to want to do what's best for this encyclopedia, an encyclopedia that has a tendency to get messed up a lot. Ha! That's great one, and so very very true. But seriously, that page needs to be taken down still. It's a neologism that has no proof except a few music reviewers who have their heads on backwards and talk out of their ass. Music reviewers often have that tendency...  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 16:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Long time No speak: Good friend require some help...
Hey, how are you? I more or less a stranger here now and my authority lacks as users now don't know who i am! Anyway, on to business. I am trying to sort out this page here. The history is subjected to different prose, I have tried to make it all one narrative. However, I do not think I am doing a good job. Would it be possible to look over my edits? (I have made one since and doing some stuff on it now aswell) That be a great help...METALFREAK04 (talk) 11:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm fine. Busy. Unfortunately, I am more or less retired at the moment and have been for a while. Well, more like an undefined hiatus. I could look over your edits I suppose, but you're going to have to be a bit more specific on what you want me to do or look for. Maybe give me a little more information and I'll see what I can do.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 16:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey dude! Oh thats a shame man, i haven't been on this (before this message and last)since june! So are you doing it like me now, just coming on when you see something wrong?

Anyway, this is about Last.fm isn't it. All I want you to do is check through the prose i am going to do for the history section as its subjected to timeline at the moment. I am going to do this probably this weekend, but when i have time really. I post you when i have the new history written up in my sandbox and you can look over it for any mistakes and grammar issues. cheers (if thats possible) METALFREAK04 (talk) 08:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, pretty much the same here. Kinda. I still get on every once in a long while to do a few edits and then leave. Ok, go ahead and let me know when you post the new stuff to the last.fm page and I'lll look through it.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 16:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)