User talk:Navnløs/Archive 6

Re:Hello
Hey, I'm fine. Don't need any help with anything at the moment, but thanks for asking. Bloodredchaos (talk) 02:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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I have heard your voice on the subject and have decided to take a bit of action. Please go here and cast your vote according to your thoughts. Tell any one else that might be of any use to this discussion. Undeath (talk) 06:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The dispute on the black metal list has been resolved. Undeath (talk) 02:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Death
Howdy! It HAS been awhile, hasn't it. Sorry I didn't reply sooner. You're absolutely right in that there is a loophole re: lumping progressive death metal in with technical death metal. Personally, I feel that the two terms are basically the same thing, but it lacks clarity. What, for example, is non-technical death metal...is it death metal played badly, or with few chord changes? Can something be "progressive" that isn't technical? Who knows! Call me a simpleton, but perhaps I don't spend enough time gazing at my navel and thinking about such things. I viewed that the consensus of users was that the two terms essentially mean the same thing. I don't know if I'm an expert on death metal, but I'm as close to one as there could be (I guess) - my observations on the band Death, for example, reveal the genesis of the genre that was more simplistic at the start (Scream Bloody Gore, Leprosy), but as Schuldiner progressed as a guitarist and musician, so did his songs and arrangements. They became more complex, hence more "technical" (or "progressive"). I would thus tell a person who wants to know the difference to listen to the first Death album SBG and then listen to the fourth album Human to see the difference between death metal and technical death metal.

I'll make sure to go over the references and see if it can all be cleaned up. You can see from my contributions have been few & far between lately, but if I encounter any metal ones I'll give you a shout!

Greetings from Canada, A Sniper 12:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Power metal sub genres
Hey dude; regarding your re adding of the power metal sub genres - the example you gave was Iced Earth being thrash-power metal. Although I would agree with this normally, I can't say that that'd mean the genre of thrash-power metal is definite in its existence. A lot of bands incorporate more then one genre into their music, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are this whole new genre. I get what you are saying, but this unfortunately doesn't qualify as an actual source to prove that these genres exist, otherwise I could draw my own ideas between bands that incorporate power metal elements into their music. I'd be happy to leave the sub genres there, but I did mention on the talk page a good few months ago (I think it was November/December time) that it was unsourced, and I'd be removing it within a weeks time, even though I left it a good month or two. Still, no sources were added for it, and without the necessary references to back up the existence of these other power metal genres, they are liable to be removed at any time. Otherwise, saying that "thrash-power metal" exists because bands such as Iced Earth combine such elements would count at original research. ≈  The Haunted Angel  20:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand what you are saying, but we can't just cite examples of bands who happen to drift between two genres, one being power metal, and saying "here is another power metal sub genre". I can understand how you can say Turisas is folk/power metal, as I'm the one that added them to the power metal page! But as I said, I gave a warning a few months back that if these other genres weren't sourced, they'd be removed. So far, it's original research, and so we'd just have to state on the band pages that they are power metal as well as what other genre they fall under - like on the Nightwish page. ≈  The Haunted Angel  22:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, thanks for your cooperation :) ≈  The Haunted Angel  23:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I must admit, when I first stumbled across the power metal article, I found it interesting reading - but you summed it up with your second sentence :P ≈  The Haunted Angel  23:16, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

re:flagicons
There seems to be a policy about the usage of flags, wp:mosflag, especially this. I am of the opinion that we can retain the nationality info in the written format, rather than doing away with it altogether. Weltanschaunng 05:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I ask him questions whenever I am in doubt. He is more of a guide to me than a friend. I guess its an unofficial adoption then! We are on good terms, that quite sums it up. Weltanschaunng 10:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Flag icons
Unforatunately you are still incorrect as several experieced editors have confirmed that this is a misuse so they will all likely be removed eventually one way or another. -- neon white user page talk 21:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That is absolutely rubbish there are a number of editor that have expressed that this is a misuse and the guideline agree also. -- neon white user page talk 21:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Changes to policy and guidelines are discussed on the relelvant talk pages not individual articles. The use of flagicons is a site-wide issue, it is not your choice and not mine. -- neon white user page talk 21:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Satyricon / Medieval metal
Hi there. You've added Satyricon to the Mittelalter rock article a couple of times now. I understand you're probably a fan of the band and wish to give recognition where recognition is due. Unfortunately, what you wrote falls under the category of Original Research. See WP:OR. There's no verifiablity to what you wrote due to the absence of any citations or references. If you can find some reliable source, you can add the information somewhere on wikipedia but not in the Mittelalter rock article. As you note in your latest revision, the only similarity between the two is the name. I would suggest that if you can find some established and authoritative source on "medieval black metal," then you should add the info to either the black metal article, the Satyricon page or the one for the Dark Medieval Times album. Once you do that, a sentence can be add at the top of the Mittelalter rock article along the lines of "Not to be confused with medieval black metal" or something to that effect. --Bardin (talk) 02:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Legion Pirate or whatever it is you call yourself...
Why would adding a band I am a fan of constitute as Vandalism in any way? The full on elitist nature of wikipedia has already angered me to a point beyond redemption, as articles I have made have been 'speedily deleted' before I even had the chance to complete them.

In case you hadn't guessed this is referring to the article which I added to a list of black metal bands..It was referenced though I doubt you even followed that up. Could you please enlighten me as to why this would have been deleted when all sources were viable and accurate and the band itself full complies with your 'Other' section on what constitutes as a worthy piece of information on wikipedia.

I await your reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjordtggr (talk • contribs) 07:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Heavy metal fashion
I'm not sure what to say on the matter, to be honest. I think the subject is relevant, but I have to agree with you when you say it is rather shitty. I mean, the article is a total mess, full of OR and the fact that it is an article of that size without a SINGLE reference really disgusts me. Lol, actually I'd always thought it was a pretty good article (and all the other ones such as the black metal fashion one should be merged into this one), but now that you've actually pointed it out, I do see that it is a bit of a mess. I'll have a wander over to the AfD and see if I can come to a decision myself, as I'm a bit on the fence at the moment, mainly due to my second sentence. ≈  The Haunted Angel  00:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone finally noticed! :D Yea I find it pretty awesome that they actually mentioned death metal on a (hilarious) major TV show. (maybe it could be mentioned for a new section in popular culture of death metal?) And what's even more funny is my physics teacher I had in high school could probably join the show considering he's crazy enough (he brought out his metal bat and placed an old cellphone on the table and then wham!!! that's his cellphone policy), is more on a 'serious' side of the two, has a mustache and erm a bald head. :D I've always envisioned Wikipedia with skins like Metal Storm but that would obviously take away from the obvious work to be done but it still would be nice (it only takes a few seconds). They still accept infoboxes why not start Wikipedia skins? (maybe ones made with 'encyclopedia' in mind). − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  02:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD Heavy metal fashion
Canvassing. 'Nuff said. -- Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 00:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I refuse to even respond on your page. I am not canvassing in any way.  I simply asked some users what they thought and to vote one way or the other.  I did not tell them how to vote.  I broke no rules. 'Nuff said.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 00:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was trying to be subtle and it came out wrong. Some editors might interpret what you were doing as canvassing (contacting other editors who you might anticipate would vote in a similar way), so I wanted to advise you to be cautious. But I will take your word for it that you were not. With apologies. -- Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 00:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * IMO, there is some validity to the article, there is some definite metal attire as such...I also read a user's comment about deleting the article so that the recreated article will atleast have some refs. IMO, the article should have been cleaned, but yes, now people will pay attn to improving that page, if the page survives AfD. Good work on the afd! Weltanschaunng 18:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

All messages that I can see were pretty neutral. Thus far, no clear cut canvassing has occured. Scarian Call me Pat 22:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well thanks for that. If people don't realize I'm a good ediotr (and hopefully always getting better, which I think I have) then that's their fault.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 22:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You do plenty of good work here, and I add my comments here keeping that in mind. I am not meaning to say that you were intentionally being disruptive, but striking out another person's comments as you did here without first seeking their permission is a pretty serious violation of our Talk page guidelines. I know what you were trying to do—highlight that you had already addressed the concerns raised about canvassing—but it has a disruptive effect when we don't keep to our agreed-upon behavioural guidelines in discussions. I am asking that you revert your striking-out and let Wisdom89 decide for himself if he would like to retract his comments. You cannot retract someone else's comments on their behalf, which is typically what striking-out means. Again, this might not have been your intention but that is how it comes across. Looking forward to seeing more of your good article work, -- Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 00:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Re
You damn well did! You're gorgeous, too. I am just saying that. Really. -- Alisyn talk 02:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * =P. Hehe, that's why I said "I am just saying that. Really." It's because you don't have a picutre =P! Sorry for the late reply! -- Alisyn talk 00:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It took me a while to get used to the fact that I put up pictures so when I got comments complimenting my look. I was thinking people identified me on the street or something :p. -- Alisyn talk 22:06, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

RE: Metal Fashion
I answered to the metal discussion and I think they have got their facts wrong and go off topic with it aswell. METALFREAK04 (talk) 11:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

HELP WIKIPEDIA BECOME GOOD AGAIN
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Click on there now and choose an era of musical bands/performers/artists/songwriters you want to do. If we have enough people we can amke wikipedia better for good.

Send this round to alot of people....:) or tell me how to.

I gone mental on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_death_metal_bands —Preceding unsigned comment added by METALFREAK04 (talk • contribs) 12:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, he went on mental on there alright. I've blocked him for making personal attacks and making derogatory statements towards Christians. Do me a favour, seeing as you've had interactions with him in the past, could you possibly help guide him and calm him down? Show him that Wikipedia is not a battle ground and that we have policies to "help Wikipedia become good again". Thanks mate. Scarian Call me Pat  15:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This and the next few edits following it. Can't let people say those sorts of things on Wikipedia so I've removed it. Just make sure he knows how to be nice to people. And tell him capitals letters are considered "shouting" on the internet. Thanks, Navnlos. (What's your real name by the way?)  Scarian Call me Pat  20:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Well in person I take the Gaelic spelling "Pairic" which is pronounced (in Gaelic) O-for-rik or poor-rik. Daniel is pretty common; poor you ;-) - You need a pic up to show people who they're dealing with too :-D Scarian Call me Pat  21:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, why wouldn't I? It's a great name. My initials with my middle names spell out P.A.T.B which makes me better than everyone else on the planet... unless someone had the name Dot Ingrid Charlotte Karen (Guess what those initials are?)... but anyway, I'm Irish but I live in England. Are you a pure blood American? You should put a pic up, it'd be great to see you (seeing as I let Wiki see my partner and I) =) Scarian Call me Pat  21:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I have the shittiest initials on earth. I was born APH, but kids called me an aphhole. Then I switched it in honor of my Grandmother, which I probably shouldn't have done. Now my initials or ACH. And wikipedia is great! Just because vandals are here doesn't mean it's not good.-- Alisyn talk 23:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Shall I come in with justification for this Pat bloke or not? 10:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by METALFREAK04 (talk • contribs)

I f*ckin' rule
Man, this month i feel really good with my wikipedia edits. I'm pwning n00bs left and right. Victoriously reverting that which is wrong, reporting a bunch of vandals (I think I've got almost 10 blocked this month), editing a bunch of articles in a super constructive way. I rule. If you disagree, you're wrong.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 21:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I broke my 2000 edit mark this week. And it also looks like I may  get more edits done this month than I ever have previously.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 22:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Congrats! Btw, (finally) responded in thread at my page, should you care/remember. Anyways, delete this line whenever you feel like it :) Username-2008-02-19 (talk) 22:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Tips
Just thought I'd give some pointers (and I hope you take them as positive criticism):
 * - You didn't need to do that. Just report to AIV and ignore the vandal. Things like that tend to inflame the situation and they serve no purpose. The admin that see's the report with deal with any crap that follows up.
 * - Hot headedness isn't a great thing on a docile animal such as Wikipedia. "pwning n00bs" kinda tells me that you've misinterpreted what we're doing here (I know you know that we're building an encyclopaedia but still...). Literally translated: "owning newbies" isn't what you should be doing. Splash out on some templates to new users. Try and convert them.
 * Get more than 370 AIV reports and then we'll talk ;-) Scarian Call me Pat  22:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Btw, great job on leaving MetalFreak a message. That should get him to cool down more in the future. Good work, Daniel =) Scarian Call me Pat  23:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Sadly
I will probabaly be gone for a week or so. Which sucks. I hope wikipedia doesn't completely go to shit.  Blizzard Beast  ''$ODIN' 19:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Spike band
Done. Have a nice holiday, Daniel! Scarian Call me Pat 19:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: my edit to Heavy metal fashion
Sorry about the problem with that edit; I honestly don't know why the AfD tag was deleted by my edit, it was not intended. My best guess is that I erroneously hit edit on an older revision of the article from the history tab rather than on the current version. If so, that's an embarrassing and regrettable error on my part. My edit was solely intended to remove the external link that appeared to be spam in nature; but in the current version of the article, that does not appear to be the case. I apologize for any confusion, irritation, or frustration that my edit may have caused. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Clarifications
What was vandalism about ANYTHING that I wrote? I'm trying to be helpful. Besides, I read a bunch of this stuff elsewhere, although it's my fault for not citing it. Certainly nothing is point of view.

The Waylon Reavis "vandalism" was only an attempt to clean up the wording. The heavy metal fashion is completely true from the statements of our friends out in Norway (Black metal er anti-Kristne, hvor kunne du ikke oppfatte?). As for Ulver, I should have cited the place I got that from. It was some obscure website dedicated to Ulver, and I forgot to cite it. Now I'll have to dig through a thousand sites to get it again, but when I do, I'll put it back up. BTW, the Mayhem song is Chainsaw Gutsfuck. I'm into all the black metal stuff, but I've been blocked on other websites for posting that name. People piss me off like that. The world is not friendly to metal fans. FAEN DENNE VERDEN, FAEN DET FOLK!!!! (P.S. Although I am American, my band is called Iskald Mørke.  Look for us sometime in the next few years.  We'll be there.) Paragon of Arctic Winter Nights (talk) 13:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about the tildes. I usually remember to do that. Faen denne verden, faen det folk is Norwegian for "fuck the people, fuck the world"- it's a kind of motto for our group. My Norwegian is limited, but I try. The other bit is also Norwegian, the closest English equivalent is "Black metal is anti-Christian, what do I not understand?"(about my post on metal, it's implied in Norwegian). I'll try to reword it, perhaps. I modified the Waylon Reavis part so that it would be more encyclopedic, but I tweaked my earlier edit. I should have cited the Ulver pages anyways, because then we'd at least have something to check. I'll be a little more thoughtful now. BTW, if you want a laugh, on iTunes, they call Mayhem POP. As little as I care about genres, that's pretty pathetic. I don't care how badly they may have sold out, that isn't pop. All right, have a good one, man. Paragon of Arctic Winter Nights (talk) 14:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Thanks
Not a problem. I've got your page on my watchlist, so I try to keep an eye out for any vandalism. (Don't worry, I'm not a stalker, I just have a few editor's pages on my watchlist incase they get vandalised ^_~) ≈  The Haunted Angel  21:44, 24 March 2008 (UTC)