User talk:Naypta/2021/April

Tech News: 2021-14
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Recent changes
 * Editors can collapse part of an article so you have to click on it to see it. When you click a link to a section inside collapsed content it will now expand to show the section. The browser will scroll down to the section. Previously such links didn't work unless you manually expanded the content first.

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 * Octicons-tools.svg The citoid API will use for example  instead of   for dates with a month but no days. This is because   could be confused with   instead of  . This is called level 1 instead of level 0 in the Extended Date/Time Format.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg PAWS can now connect to the new Wiki Replicas. Cross-database  will no longer work from 28 April. There is a new way to connect to the databases. Until 28 April both ways to connect to the databases will work. If you think this affects you and you need help you can post on Phabricator or on Wikitech.

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19:38, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-16
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Recent changes
 * Email to the Wikimedia wikis are handled by groups of Wikimedia editors. These volunteer response teams now use Znuny instead of OTRS. The functions and interface remain the same. The volunteer administrators will give more details about the next steps soon.
 * If you use syntax highlighting, you can see line numbers in the 2010 and 2017 wikitext editors when editing templates. This is to make it easier to see line breaks or talk about specific lines. Line numbers will soon come to all namespaces.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Because of a technical change there could be problems with gadgets and scripts that have an edit summary area that looks similar to this one. If they look strange they should use  to go back to how they looked before.
 * The latest version of MediaWiki came to the Wikimedia wikis last week. There was no Tech News issue last week.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes
 * The user group  will be renamed  . This is for technical reasons. This is the technical name. It doesn't affect what you call the editors with this user right on your wiki. This is planned to happen in two weeks. You can comment in Phabricator if you have objections.

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16:47, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Proposed expansion for translation requests
Hi, Naypta. I have a question for you. How hard do you think it would it be enhance the FRS to run off a category of articles needing translation, and send requests to users who sign up by language on a page similar to WP:FRS?

I'm thinking this could either be a major upgrade, or possibly a new bot designed with a very similar structure to Yapperbot, that would handle a new type of trigger, that wouldn't be an Rfc, but category membership. I'm thinking in particular, of articles needing translation, such as those listed in Category:Articles needing translation from German Wikipedia.

What I'm envisioning, is a signup page similar to Feedback request service, but which would be called Translation request service. (Or maybe combine them on the same page, under different sections?) On that page, there would be a section "Request for translations" and under that, a series of H3 headers, each one containing one language name in the section header. The contents of section === French ===, for example, would be a series of frs user templates, added by anyone who wanted to receive a "Translation request" from the server about pages needing expansion or translation from French. Other subsections would cover 'German', 'Spanish', and so on.

The bot would use the same algorithm as it does now for determining who to notify, and how often, and updating their Talk page, but would trigger based on a configurable category, instead of triggering on recent Rfcs. (Since the category would be different per language, you'd need a separate list of them, or, perhaps this could be configured with template, with one of them at the top of each language section.)

One major difference between Rfc feedback and translation requests, is that Rfcs expire in a relatively short time (30 days usually), whereas language categories change slowly (months, or years). For Rfc feedback requests, I'm not sure how you currently decide whether a user has already received notification of a given Rfc and whether that same method would also work for translation requests. Some popular languages have so many translation requests that a pseudorandom choice would probably never pick the same article twice. Other language categories only have a handful of members, so you might need some way of cycling through them or keeping context for a given user.

I think a bot task like this would be tremendously helpful in drawing attention to articles in need of translation. Currently, we use WP:PNT, but it's just a list, it's not up to date, stuff that ages off the list never get handled so it's not as efficient, and you don't get "reminders", which I think are key to the benefits of the Feedback request service for Rfcs; after all, people could just go to the list of Rfcs and pick one off the list, but they don't; so I think the bot is really key, here.

So&mdash;what do you think, hard to do? Not sure if this would be better handled as a new bot, or maybe just a new "task" for the existing one, since a lot of the processing seems to be so similar. If the latter, that would make "Rfc feedback" task one of the FRS, and "Translations" could be task two. Eager to hear your thoughts. Mathglot (talk) 23:05, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * This should probably go to WP:BOTREQ, since Naypta has not edited since August 2020. I'll answer the questions about Yapperbot's current behavior anyway: Yapperbot makes no attempt to decide whether a user has already received notification of a given Rfc, but instead only sends FRS notices once per RfC/GA nom. From what I understand, that approach wouldn't work very well for translation requests since there aren't very many of them. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:21, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * thanks. Once upon a time there were ten thousand French ones (still over 4,000, but some languages have less than five although you'd be surprised at the number from some minor languages (Slovenian: 188). So, it would definitely have to be thought out. Mathglot (talk) 06:06, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2021-17
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Templates have parameters that can have specific values. It is possible to suggest values for editors with TemplateData. You can soon see them as a drop-down list in the visual editor. This is to help template users find the right values faster.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

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21:23, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Feedback request: Wikipedia technical issues and templates request for comment
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