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Turimiquire Hydraulic Concrete Intake Tower, Venezuela
I have reverted your recent edits. The reason is that I believe it is unreasonable for a such a tall concrete tower to be built in the location suggested by your edits (as the water intake for this dam across the River Neveri). To be listed in the articles, it would have to project 336 m above the surface of the lake, since underwater height is not counted for these lists.

According to Google Maps, the surface of Lake Turimiquire is ~320-350 m above sea level and according to this photo the top of the tower is a few tens of meters above the lake surface. Maybe you were counting the altitude above sea level of the top of the intake. Even if we included the height below water and it was constructed on the valley floor before the lake was filled, it would not be as tall as 336 m. The valley floor a little way downstream is ~200 m above sea level, suggesting to me the lake is ~150 m deep. Astronaut (talk) 18:06, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I assure you that the base of the structure is founded on bedrock and firmly attached to it. The area is known for it's steep terrain, which is why the reservoir is plagued with silt from runoff.  I was the project engineer for the hydraulic intake tower's design and have the drawings in front of me.  Please direct me to the arbitrary rule that prevents this significant structure from qualifying for it's rightful position on the list of the world's tallest.  Perhaps it is time to change this foolish rule.  Since Dams are submerged as well, using the arbitrary rule that you claim, all dams would have to be immediately deleted from the listing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nburgstahler (talk • contribs) 03:39, 7 April 2013‎


 * There are a couple of problems here: Dams are not listed in List of tallest freestanding structures in the world, nor are other tall structures substantially under water, such as oil rigs & off-shore platforms even if their lowest points are firmly attached to bedrock (however, dams do have their own listing here: List of tallest dams in the world).  And to be listed at all (assuming a suitable article could be found or one created), Wikipedia requires evidence which has appeared in reliabe sources - for example, a newspaper article, TV show, etc - somewhere with a reputation for fact checking - stating how tall it is. Unfortunately, your own copy of the drawings is not sufficient.
 * Perhaps a better approach would be to create a new article about the project as a whole. We already have an article on the Guri Dam and some other dams in Venuzuela, Turimiquire could be another.  If properly referenced, that article could mention the intake tower's exceptional height and that if entirely above water it would qualify as one of the world's tallest structures.  Astronaut (talk) 17:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)