User talk:NealBarnard

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November 2007
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Neal D. Barnard, did not appear to be constructive and has been automatically reverted by ClueBot. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you believe there has been a mistake and would like to report a false positive, please report it here and then remove this warning from your talk page. If your edit was not vandalism, please feel free to make your edit again after reporting it. The following is the log entry regarding this warning: Neal D. Barnard was changed by NealBarnard (c) (t) deleting 7576 characters on 2007-11-17T22:02:02+00:00. Thank you. ClueBot (talk) 22:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Reverting
Hello again, Neal. Considering your reverts today, you don't appeared to have paid much heed to my conflict of interest notice, above. There is a few issues here that we should probably address. Firstly, if you are not the Neal Barnard then you are welcome to continue editing the article, but should probably change your username. I can help you do that. If you are the subject of the article, or are acting on his behalf then you really need to stop reverting the article to a whitewashed version.

I have tried to be as balanced as I can in my rewrite, there is some more, largely positive, material I wish to add, but I am waiting to get hold of a source I have requested. Everything else is sourced to 3rd party reliable sources. I have asked another experienced editor (who is sympathetic to Barnard's beliefs) to review the article for balance once I have finished, so you can be assured that this is not an attempt at a hatchet job on Barnard. If you have serious concerns about the content and would like to discuss them privately, feel free email me. If you are Barnard and would like to speak to someone else, see Contact us/Article problem/Factual error (from subject). I have also asked for additional eyes here, feel free to comment. Rockpock e  t  00:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, the email link is here (though you will probably have to have your email preferences activated for it to work, see Emailing users). Rockpock  e  t  02:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps, if you would rather not activate email, we could discuss it here. Do you have concerns about the factual basis of some of the content? Is something incorrect? I appreciate it doesn't all paint Barnard in the post positive light, but our job is provide neutral coverage off all aspects of his work, both the controversial and the positive. I have invited other editors to review my edits for balance, so there should be a third perspective soon. Rockpock  e  t  02:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I sent you detailed comments pointing out factual errors and other issues, supporting my edits before I made them. I see that you did not recieve them. What is the best way to communicate with you? Please appreciate that people who are used to email, telephone, etc., may have trouble navigating these various communication modes, and apparently I've not succeeded. I would like to communicate with you to clear this up.

Also, do you have a supervisor I can speak with?

Neal Barnard, MD


 * Hi Neal. I didn't receive that email, I'm afraid. I do appreciate the idiosyncrasies of Wiki-editing can be confusing to those not familiar with it. I generally prefer not to list my email address publicly, but if you wish to communicate with me you can use Rockpocket@gmail.com
 * However while you are welcome to email me, unless there are privacy issues we generally prefer to discuss articles on talk pages, so all interested parties can contribute. So you can also voice you concerns at Talk:Neal D. Barnard if you wish.
 * I don't have a supervisor per se you can speak with, Wikipedia doesn't work that way. Instead we all supervise each other. I am an administrator here and a member of WikiProject Animal rights, so have a fair idea of what is and is not appropriate material for a biography such as yours. Nevertheless, if you have serious concerns about the contents of your bio you can contact the Foundation at info-en-q@wikimedia.org (see Contact us/Article problem/Factual error (from subject) for more details). However, I would recommend you express your concerns on the article talk page first, as we will be happy to address any concerns you have according to our policies, we just need to know what they are. Rockpock  e  t  19:10, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Message for you
Note for you here. Cheers, SlimVirgin  (talk) (contribs) 07:03, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Neal, you have now violated our policies by reverting more than three times in a 24 hour period, you have been edit warring without any attempt at discussing your concerns and you have been repeatedly removing sourced material from an article over which you appear to have a clear conflict of interest. You are already liable to be blocked for WP:3RR, however before reporting it I'm offering you one last chance to discuss your concerns rather than simply remove content. If you revert again, however, I will seek administrative action. Unless you acknowledge your concerns and identify yourself as Barnard, you also risk being indefinitely blocked for impersonation. Please realize that Wikipedia is not a place to promote oneself, it is an encyclopaedia. We are very interested in working with you to correct inaccurate material, but it is not appropriate for you to exercise editorial control of your own article. Thanks. Rockpock  e  t  07:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Username
Hi NealBarnard. We cannot know if you are Neal Barnard or someone impersonating him. This "on the internet no one knows you are a dog" issue is described in the WP:IMPERSONATE policy. If you would like to continue using this account and editing as Neal Barnard, would you please send an email to [mailto:info-en@wikimedia.org info-en@wikimedia.org] to go through the verification process that we have? Be aware that emails are handled by a volunteer response team and that it may take a while before you receive a reply. Alternatively you can request a change of your username by completing this form, but this is not at all required, and of course writing things like this will no longer make sense. I do appreciate your being forthright! There is just this funky "impersonation" thing. Best regards Jytdog (talk) 18:56, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind message. As you've suggested, I sent an email to verify my identity, and hopefully that process will go smoothly. As I mentioned, I'm new to the editing process, and I'll beg your indulgence. Nonetheless, there are a number of things that could improve this article, and I'd like to bring these suggestions forward, if I may. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.9.24.240 (talk) 19:15, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello Neil, a vegetarian activist here back in the day. Maybe review your page's history and see what has been removed or added. It would be nice if you would venture out from your page and edit others, both in your field and in your other interest areas (or just random pages, you'd be surprised how a paragraph break or two improves the flow of some articles), but whatever your level of involvement, welcome back. I fully expect Wikipedia or its editors to win the Nobel Peace Prize at some point, and its importance in the sharing of information grows by the second (literally. check out the second item on my talk page for an interesting sound-image map of English Wikipedia edits in real time), so any input into the project is valuable and helpful to the growth of collected human knowledge. Enjoy. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:52, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Identity confirmed
I consider that ticket number #2017102310011681 coming from the @pcrm.org domain is sufficient verification of Mr. Barnard's identity, and will leave a note to that effect on this talk page and the article's talk page. Ben · Salvidrim!  &#9993;  20:03, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, both of you! Jytdog (talk) 01:55, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you. Ben · Salvidrim!  &#9993;  21:30, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

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