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WikiProject Cryptography
Hi there, welcome to WikiProject Cryptography! (An introduction: I'm Matt, I've been editing at Wikipedia for a couple of months, and my most detailed knowledge is about block ciphers, though I like to read/edit other stuff too.) If you have any thoughts on how we can improve cryptography articles, I'd be keen to hear them (we can put them in the "List of open tasks" section). &mdash; Matt 12:00, 21 May 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Matt, for organizing the project and getting people involved. I've been following crypto on and off since reading the RSA Technical Memo in 1977.  I analyzed the PGP web of trust in 1996, and have helped organize the PKI R&D Workshop the last three years.  NealMcB 18:38, 2004 May 24 (UTC)

spelling
Neal, We now have a formal discussion page for the TT issue, cypher v cipher. It's at the WikiProject Cryptography under discussions. I've taken the liberty of summarizing folks views on the question insofar as I know them under current standings. You might want to chime (or chyme) in there. ww 17:54, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Finnegan "breakthrough"
Neal, Thanks for reverting the 'news'. I spent 20 minutes searching and couldn't turn up even a hint. Looks like sneaky vandalism, and some extended editing effort to do it, too. So thanks again.

And thanks for the line at treecat. It made the warning much more apparent. ww 17:39, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject Cryptography mailshot
Hi, quick note to let you know about what's happening with the WikiReader in Cryptography. There's now a provisional Table of Contents to work with, and for the next 68 days or so there'll be an "Article of the Day" scheme: each day there'll be a particular article highlighted for reviewing and fixing. There's two templates for this purpose: Template:WikiReaderCryptographyAOTD and Template:WikiReaderCryptographyAOTD-Verbose. The smaller one looks like this:

These articles are likely to be some of the earliest English Wikipedia content to get turned into a print version, and any help in making them as good as possible would be much appreciated. Thanks! &mdash; Matt 01:51, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Something to read
Please consider reading this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Snowspinner/Avala_Evidence

and then voting here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#User:Snowspinner_.2854.2F6.2F2.29_Ends_17:06.2C_31_July_2004

-- orthogonal 18:23, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

New Mathematics Wikiportal
I noticed you've done some work on Mathematics articles. I wanted to point out to you the new Mathematics Wikiportal- more specifically, to the Mathematics Collaboration of the Week page. I'm looking for any math-related stubs or non-existant articles that you would like to see on Wikipedia. Additionally, I wondered if you'd be willing to help out on some of the Collaboration of the Week pages.

I encourage you to vote on the current Collaboration of the Week, because I'm very interested in which articles you think need to be written or added to, and because I understand that I cannot do the enormous amount of work required on some of the Math stubs alone. I'm asking for your help, and also your critiques on the way the portal is set up.

Please direct all comments to my user-talk page, the Math Wikiportal talk page, or the Math Collaboration of the Week talk page. Thanks a lot for your support! ral315 02:54, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)

Getting Psychotherapy into This Week's Improvement Drive
Hi there! I noticed that at one time or another you helped contribute to the article on Psychotherapy. As it stands this article could use a lot of help, and thus I've taken the liberty of trying to get it to be the focus of a week's improvement drive. All we need to get it for a week's worth of focus and improvement is enough votes, so go to Psychotherapy's vote page and help out this very needing article! JoeSmack (talk) 18:16, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Phaeno Science Center
Please note two things from Manual of Style: (1) The title phrase should be bolded at its first appearance, and (2) Don't use too many capital initial letters in section headings---in particular, it should say External links with a lower-case initial "L", not a capital. I fixed these problems in Phaeno Science Center and also in the section heading you added to The Wisdom of Crowds. Michael Hardy 00:23, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

...same two things at James Stoll; again I fixed them. Michael Hardy 00:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

...same thing with the See also heading; the a in also should be lower-case. I've fixed this in about a half-dozen article where you added "see also" sections. Michael Hardy 00:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, thanks, thanks, Michael. I often get to the point where after researching all the content, I'm tired and/or forget some of the details of editorial style.  So I appreciate it when someone who is more up-to-date on such things helps out like this. --NealMcB 23:43, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Initial capitals for standard protocol names
JA: With regard to your message: You changed the name of Border Gateway Protocol to Border gateway protocol. But the article is about a specific, named, standardized protocol which is always written with initial capitals. In accordance with the Naming conventions It should be changed back, along with other similar articles. --NealMcB 05:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC) JA: The way I read "most common usage" (MCU), it does not apply to orthography, and does not override local standards of orthography, as all sorts of people think that it's MCU to capitalize all of the major words in article headings, and then again we would have every condition in DSM being capitalized, for example, "Passive-Aggressive Personality Disorder", but we don't do the likes of that here in a host of similar cases. Jon Awbrey 05:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I (and others) disagree, as discussed in the Requested move discussions at Talk:Border gateway protocol. --NealMcB 18:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

admin?
Hi Neal - You're pretty clearly not a Wikipedia addict, but I was wondering if you might have any interest in becoming an administrator. If so, I'd be happy to nominate you (I've been one for nearly a year). -- Rick Block (talk) 14:27, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Howdy, Rick! Thanks for your hard work here, and the offer!  From looking at RFA, it seems that many folks want more edits than I have.  For now I'll stick to content.  --NealMcB 18:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * OK. I won't really push it, but I think edit history dating from 2002-09-28 (!) provides ample evidence that you're not a troll. -- Rick Block (talk) 23:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

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Capitalization for Titles
Sorry my position was unclear. I say all of this in the full awareness that language is malleable and the product of group consensus. I'd just as soon not get bogged down in a debate about the sociology of linguistics. If you open any grammar book (Chicago, Harbrace, whatever) it tells you that titles for articles, books, whatever are capitalized in a particular way (barring exceptions for things like eBay or e.e. cummings). Ordinarily, you capitalize the first and last word of the title (regardless of whether they're direct articles or verbs) and any words in the body of the title that are important (typically the verbs and the nouns). I moved Criticism of Atheism to Critique of Atheism. Shortly thereafter, someone changed it to Critique of atheism and directed me to the naming conventions for Wikipedia, which state that only the first word of a title and Proper nouns are capitalized. Being someone who writes, is published, and works in a library, I found that convention to be amateurish. MerricMaker 19:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

RE:NASA Budget fraction of US budget, population effects
In response to your comments posted on the NASA Budget discussion page in March 2006, please visit the page at your first convenience once again and provide any additional comments or suggestions for improvement. Regards, ~JS~ WSpaceport 17:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks - the changes are helpful! Some lines in the graph would be even nicer, of course.  --NealMcB 23:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ANealmcb&diff=145954038&oldid=56210144 -Wafulz 17:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I think I figured that interwiki syntax out later on, but forgot that I wanted to use it here. --NealMcB 17:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Polo Shirt
Mea Culpa, I thought I had moved the talkpage as well. Thanks for the note, I have fixed. (Preserving both edit histories) Brian | (Talk) 04:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the well-presented tips. The text in question (one phrase) was marked as a quote, and the page I got it from was listed in the external links section.  But now I've moved the citation to be a proper reference directly after the quote.  --NealMcB (talk) 22:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Parliamentary Procedure
I just wanted to let you know about the formation of WikiProject Parliamentary Procedure. We hope to cover all the major motions and parliamentary procedure terms. You are welcome to join. Thanks, Obuibo Mbstpo (talk) 19:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for your reversion of the vandalism on the Eye of Horus article. Please continue the great work. Sephiroth storm (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Internet Communications Engine - Advertisement ?
Internet Communications Engine How come ! This is free s/w. I am a software architect in the finance industry and use not only this product but also a set of others. I did not create the article; I have rebuilt most of it to describe important mechanism and concepts in the field of middleware. The article needs improvements, but it should not at all be subject for deletion. --Malin Randstrom (talk) 08:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * updated the article I have changed the article to be less advertisy Internet Communications Engine. What do u think? --Malin Randstrom (talk) 04:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)?
 * I responded on the ICD talk page --NealMcB (talk) 00:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Replied to you on the ICE talk page. --Malin Randstrom (talk) 11:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Edits to EML page...
Heya Neal, I just wanted to point out that EML expert and extraordinaire David Webber has just made massive changes for the best to the EML page. Thanks for starting it... and may it grow. Joebeone (Talk) 23:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Regarding your post on the BLP RFC
Hey there. I saw this post of yours. If you would like to email me the article name, I'd be happy to take a look at it. I'd of course apply the same rules of confidentiality that I do when dealing with OTRS work. NW ( Talk ) 06:07, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for you offer. It all worked out fine in this case.  Viewing this from the viewpoint of a particular "living person" gives me more respect for people's privacy and prompt me to ask more critically why any given person merits an article on Wikipedia, where messy things can happen to innocent people who deserve relative obscurity.  --NealMcB (talk) 20:50, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

VLC and SHOUTcast
FYI - someone from VLC posted on Slashdot (not a reliable source, I know) that there's been a big misunderstanding and that they're going to 'reach out' to the VLC folks to get it resolved. It sounds to me like perhaps either serious backpedaling, or maybe just a case of the suits screwing up and the rank-and-file rushing in to fix it. Anyway, I hope you're keeping an eye out for news from reliable sources re: VLC's point of view.

Also, it's not clear from the edits you made what kind of SHOUTcast support has been removed. Is it no longer possible to listen to SHOUTcast streams in VLC, or did they just remove more advanced features like accessing the directory (SHOUTcast Radio) and/or creating a stream? Thanks. —mjb (talk) 20:28, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Journal of Physical Security


The article Journal of Physical Security has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Irregularly appearing journal (4 issues produced since 2004) with only few articles published (and several of those not peer-reviewed). Apparently not indexed anywhere, does not even seem to have an ISSN. Does not meet WP:Notability (academic journals) or WP:GNG.

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 * I couldn't find much more to add, and guess that deletion is what the current policy calls for. But his makes me wonder whether the policy is overly restrictive.  It is a highly important field, and this is the best source of information in it.  Hopefully JPS will mature and we can revisit this then.  Thanks, --NealMcB (talk) 20:58, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, this was unfortunate... we'll just have to see it published more frequently, I suppose. --Joebeone (Talk) 12:09, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The Journal of Physical Security now has ISSN 2157-8443 and has come out 4 times in the last 2 years. Maybe time to resurrect the article?  ★NealMcB★ (talk) 14:00, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

NTLM
Sorry about pulling out worthy citations from NTLM. So much of it low quality, it was hard to find the good/relevant stuff.

Not to be argumentative, but I'm not apologetic for the freetard comments. I've donated time to a GNU project, and I know exactly how they operate.

Jeff 74.103.117.187 (talk) 00:37, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Damn, forgot to log in before signing.
 * Jeff Noloader (talk) 00:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

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Web document
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WikiProject Colorado
The year 2011 has brought many changes to the State of Colorado. Several users have asked us to reactivate WikiProject Colorado. We have a new Governor and other state officers, two new U.S. Representatives, many new state legislators, and a new Mayor of Denver. Many articles about Colorado need to be updated and many Colorado places, people, and organizations need new articles. Portal:Colorado needs some new featured articles.

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Wikipedia 10th Anniversary Celebration
Don't forget the Wikipedia 10th Anniversary event in Boulder tomorrow. Yours aye, Buaidh  22:18, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Neal

 * Hello from the Wikipedia Celebration. -- Scarpy (talk) 19:24, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, hi! It was fun! —Preceding signed comment added by Nicky Nouse (talk • contribs • wikia) 01:48, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping out, folks! Sorry I didn't get to display your comment on the big screen.  ★NealMcB★ (talk) 04:35, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Colorado Wiknic
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 * Fun party - thanks! Next time I hope we find a more quiet spot though.  ★NealMcB★ (talk) 15:37, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion for WikiProject United States to support WikiProject Colorado
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Lockman Hole
It looks good to me. I always feel hesitant about removing tags, especially ones saying a page is too technical. This is mainly because I've had a couple of articles that I contributed to get tagged as too technical, even when I was trying not to. That said, I would support the removal of both tags. James McBride (talk) 16:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Great American Wiknic 2012
Want to organize something for the Great American Wiknic 2012? I've set up a page for Boulder --> Meetup/Boulder/June 2012. -- Gaurav (talk) 03:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

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Serious issue in bcrypt page?
Hi Neal! In Bcrypt which you edited, this fragment "(.. bcrypt computes..) a hash from a given input as follows: bcrypt(cost, salt, key, input)" suggests that the password is fed in input. But the intend in the original definition, and many implementations, is feeding password in key, with input a constant derived from "OrpheanBeholderScryDoubt" broken as three 64-bit blocks. Do you agree/disagree? I suggest a follow-up in Talk:Bcrypt if necessary. Fgrieu (talk) 12:50, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the alert. Looks like you've already fixed it - and that looks good, offhand.  Cheers!  ★NealMcB★ (talk) 17:32, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Terribly short notice: Boulder WLM on 15 September
Apologies for getting this out so late, but this is all Pharos' fault. Please blame everything on Pharos.

That said, this message is just to let you know that we're having a photo hunt for Wiki Loves Monuments at 11:00 in the morning of Saturday the 15th in Boulder, probably somewhere around CU, though the exact location hasn't yet been decided. Since you have previously attended or expressed interest in other meetups in the area, hopefully you might be able to come.

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Colorado wikipedian mailing list
This might be of interest. Meant to poke you before, but then I got attacked by a dragon. It was really big and stuff. -— Isarra ༆ 07:26, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks - looks good. Except for the 'poke' itself - save those for dragons, and only in self-defense :) ★NealMcB★ (talk) 14:12, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks to Isarra, this is now reality -- Wikimedia-US-CO! -- Gaurav (talk) 07:33, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Samsara
Regarding Samsara (2011 film), the wording in the lead section is based on the "Critical reception" section, not the "Themes" section. RT reports that among the consensus, that narrative flaws have been mentioned. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 20:02, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I assume by "RT" you mean "Rotten Tomatoes"? The section from them says 'Rotten Tomatoes gives the film a score of 72% based on reviews from 53 critics, and reports a rating average of 6.8 out of 10. It reports the critics' consensus, "It's a tad heavy-handed in its message, but Samsara's overwhelmingly beautiful visuals more than compensate for any narrative flaws."'  That is very different than the lead section statement which I deleted, and you reinstated with a revert, saying "but felt that it lacked a particular message".  That statement does come from the NY Times review mentioned in the Themes section, where it is more praise than criticism, and in contradiction to the RT "consensus" that the message is "heavy handed".  So I think it would be better to again drop the text I deleted, and I can't think of something suitable for the lead section to say about the message - it's complicated and understanding it requires knowing more about the history.  OK? ★NealMcB★ (talk) 20:19, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right, the wording could be better. I was too focused on the last part of the RT consensus passage. I did a search engine test to see if there was another kind of meta-analysis but did not find anything useful. Maybe we can just quote Rotten Tomatoes in the lead section? And replace it with another overview whenever it comes along? Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 13:47, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I could live with that, but I'd still prefer leaving that out of the intro since the whole notion of "narrative flaws" in a movie without words seems distracting that early in the article. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 14:02, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * We could just leave the critical reception out of the lead section. I just think that only having the wording about the images is too positively slanted when the film was not quite that universally acclaimed. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 14:20, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That seems ok, though the consensus on the images is very strong. Perhaps some mention of the overall numerical ratings/reception combined with a statement on the images?  ★NealMcB★ (talk) 15:58, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Meetup in Boulder this Saturday!
Hello! I just wanted to make sure you knew about the Boulder Wikipedia meetup this Saturday at the Southern Sun. Hope to see you there! -- Gaurav (talk) 05:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I'll be there to see you off! ★NealMcB★ (talk) 15:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * WOOHOO! :-D! -- Gaurav (talk) 16:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Sea slug
You beat me to the punch with this edit. I had the same thing in mind. Nice going. —Steve98052 (talk) 01:53, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Finding the right wording for that one is tricky....  I love connecting the news with wikipedia, especially science news.  ★NealMcB★ (talk) 02:01, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Wiknic 2013

 * Are you coming for the Wiknic in Aurora next month? Meetup/Colorado/Wiknic/2013 -- if not, we should organize something in Boulder before and/or after! -- Gaurav (talk) 22:10, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks good, but there is another event that morning - I'll see.... Thanks for the heads up!  Something in Boulder would be fun also. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 15:10, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Meetup in Boulder this Saturday!

 * Hi Neal! We're thinking about a photohunt in Denver this weekend, but the response has been ... lacklustre so far. Would you be interested if we shifted the venue to Boulder instead? -- Gaurav (talk) 06:40, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, Gaurav! I've been following the discussion on wikimedia-us-co@lists.wikimedia.org, but I'm overloaded already from teaching this semester, along with a lot of other stuff, so I doubt it. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 13:23, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Aw, shucks. We'll miss you! -- Gaurav (talk) 00:57, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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Sortition/demarchy merger
I see no consensus in two votes for and two votes against/doubtful. I would have voted against if I knew there would be a snap decision like this made out of nowhere. Considering the lack of interest in the merger proposal over a couple years now it seemed unnecessary. Is it really wise to go ahead and merge an article like this without clear interest and clear consensus or even a warning? --Shabidoo | Talk 20:47, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry you didn't get your opinion in earlier. But it was not a hasty decision - the proposal has been out there for years, and something needed to be done.  There was significant activity in 2014 which seemed to be enough consensus to me, especially after some more investigation.  There were four votes to merge (fela Winkelmolen, Rpm2004, vagary (who preferred to merge the other way), and nealmcb, and two opposed (Mikedonovan2011 and 138.251).  It was a bit confusing since Rpm2004 agreed with "winkelmolen", which is a different name for fela.  It seems clear that the term "demarchy" is ill-defined, whereas sortition has a long, clearer history.  Most of the links to Demarchy that I reviewed were about sortition.  We clearly needed some sort of change since having a Merge proposal up on both pages, which are mostly duplication, for years doesn't help the encyclopedia.  I doubt that today an article that tried to focus on just Demarchy (i.e. the various divergent meanings of it from Hayek, Burnheim etc) without the more well-established material on random selection as a general procedure for a variety of decision-making circumstances, it wouldn't be considered notable, but someone could try.  But having two articles both talking about random selection clearly seems wrong to me.  Mostly it seemed to me that no one had taken the time to dig in and do the merge. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 21:14, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry but I don't understand how you can read six votes on a merge request that only has five votes. One of the votes was based on a distaste of headers and the user admitted that they hadn't even read the articles. Liking or not liking headers should never dictate whether to go ahead and ignore policy and merge two articles after only 19 days of discussion (even if there have been rehashed proposals over several years or not). It's the strength of the arguments made in the discussion which counts rather than impatience. The fact that few people have bothered to participate anymore in these so far unsuccessful merger discussions can just as easily point to editors seeing it as a waste of time. You'll note that I myself said that I don't think they should be merged in a comment just above the merger proposal on the talk page and that users have spent a considerable amount of time recently in 2014 trying to improve it which I see was a waste of time. There are countless examples of pages which talk about similar subjects but cover them from different angles. Sortition covers the random selection of members or representatives for a variety of purposes while demarchy is a form of government where a form of sortition is used. That's not the same thing . The merged article doesn't even include a subsection on demarchy. I looked up the stats of article visits which show about 4000 visits per month to demarchy and about 5000 to sortition. There is clearly no small amount of reader who want particular information about demarchy and will probably be rather confused in their attempt to find it now burried in the sortition article. --Shabidoo | Talk 13:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The discussion (at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Demarchy#Merger_proposal_.28again.29_.5Bdecember_2012.5D) was started on 2012-12-08, over 2 years ago. Discussion has mostly taken place in 2014, in April, July, August, October and December.  Perhaps in counting 19 days you misread the start of the discussion (and header tagging) as 2014?   Which of the 6 votes which I identified do you not consider a vote?  Given that there were more people in favor of a merge than not, and the vast duplication between the pages, it seems to me that the thing that needed to happen was for someone to actually step forward and implement the merge, so I took it upon myself to do so.  Declaring the merge proposal a failure would seem to be much worse, and it didn't seem likely to me that we'd get much more clarity by asking for help, but perhaps I was wrong.  Most of the material in the Demarchy article was about sortition, and the rest reflected differing uses of the term by a very small set of writers with different opinions about what it meant.  Everyone who click on a Demarchy link now will get the same information, in what seems to me to be a better-written and better-referenced form on the Sortition article.  Does your view change given the understanding that this merge process has been ongoing for over 2 years?  ★NealMcB★ (talk) 15:00, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

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Edit to pi
Thanks for this. I just added a comment to the talk page, and was about to revert the edit by @Slawekb when I found you already have. Please respond on the pi talk page -- I'd be grateful for comments on my comments.

I was slightly horrified just now to realise it is actually about 40 years since I last used FORTRAN (!) - how does "IEEE whatever" fit in with DOUBLEPRECISION? How are these pathological calculations done in practice, assuming there really is more than a hypothetical point to this? Imaginatorium (talk) 17:53, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks - done! IEEE Floating Point is double precision, 16 digits or so.  ★NealMcB★ (talk) 18:22, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

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Change in ref URL?
Hi~ I'm not sure why, but the URL from your ref from this edit seems to be broken now. I'm not sure, but I think the filename changed from this to this (but I'm just guessing). Do you know if it's the same post your ref was originally pointing to? Zeniff (talk) 23:08, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
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August 2016
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Talk:Voting system move
You commented on this debate already, and your voice would be welcome again. Homunq (࿓) 00:49, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I think your voice would be useful again over there. Thanks. Homunq (࿓) 17:58, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
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DYK for Alice Bowman
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GLAM/National Archives and Records Administration
Hi Nealmcb, are you the NARA guy for Wikipedia? scope_creep (talk) 19:00, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
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Esperanta renkontiĝo dum Konferenco 2018
Saluton Neal! La Esperanta renkontiĝo okazos en la restoracio je 12:05. Kunportu viajn manĝaĵojn kaj aliĝu ;-) --KuboF Hromoslav (talk) 10:33, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for TXS 0506+056
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Pricing for pharmaceuticals
Hi Nealmcb. Years ago you added pricing informating to Ledipasvir/sofosbuvir. I don't know if you're interested, but there's been a great deal of discussion on the topic of pricing information for pharmaceuticals, culminating in Arbitration/Requests/Case/Medicine, which is currently in Proposed decision phase. I was thinking of using your edit as an example in discussion after the arbitration is closed, showing one of the few cases where I'd hope we can find easy consensus for inclusion of such information. I thought you might want to be aware beforehand. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 20:24, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Hipal. Very interesting. I'm happy to be of some use. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 21:13, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

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Follow-up from Wiknic
Hi :

Wanted to drop a note of thanks for the conversation yesterday at the Wiknic West break-out session. Was an absolute pleasure to have met someone who has been editing WP actively since 2002. I am sure, all that you do, is a significant portion of why WP continues to remain healthy today! Thanks and Have a great week ahead.

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 * Wow, that's really kind of you, Ktin! It is of course my pleasure and privilege to be part of this amazing phenomenon of Wikipedia. And I appreciate your very active contributions to the quality and quantity of the world's knowledge also! ★NealMcB★ (talk) 22:43, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Median artery
Hi Neal. You may find my post interesting. Alas, my blog is not a peer-reviewed journal, so BS will probably prevail. Regards, Mciura (talk) 08:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you . I do find that compelling, and confess to being dubious but snowed by the other references. So I just took it back, while we look for better sources/analyses. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 16:01, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Thanks. Some weekday mid-next week might work well. Propose a few times. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 23:29, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

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Ship numbers, names, etc.
''For clarity, the original name of this section was 'How do ship numbers work? Are they always synonymous with the name?', and what follows is the text of my question. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 20:31, 8 March 2023 (UTC) E.g. my dad served on the "U.S.S. Dehaven, DD 727". Do all ships have both a name and a number? Why? Is one or the other ever changed so that there might be more than one number or name for a given name or number? ★NealMcB★ (talk) 22:50, 22 February 2023 (UTC)''

Neal, as I said, your original post didn't mention anything about "improving that article", it only asked about how ship numbers work, which has nothing to do with that article, and when you add in the bit about your dad's ship, it appeared you were asking a question out of personal interest. Typically, article talk pages are not meant for that kind of use, and while some people would simply remove your comments altogether, I instead wrote out a detailed answer that I thought you might find helpful and posted it here, while also moving your OP here, because as I said, typically such posts don't belong on article talk pages.

Unfortunatly, as I was doing so, another editor left a brief reply on the article talk page at the same time (what is known as an edit conflict). Since I had already posted the thread here, and since (imo) the OP, nor their reply, belonged there, I moved their post to the thread here, (and left a quick note in their talk page). While I had hoped they would see the logic the in this, they instead reposted your OP back onto the article talk page, along with their reply. While unfortunate, that's what they chose to do, but then your OP was duplicated on the two talk pages with two different reponses.

While I had hoped my inital reply would be sufficient, or at the very least you would follow the suggestion in their reply, you suddenly metioned that your intent was to improve that article. But the thing is, that article is about the how ships are named, and has nothing to do with the hull numbering. For that, you would need to refer to the article on hull codes, that both of us mentioned in our reponses.

But now for some reason, you have moved my response(s) from here to that article talk page. Like the other editor, though we had different reasons for doing so, I've undone the part of that edit with my comments. If I thought my commemts belonged on that page, I would've posted them there myself. As it is though, I don't think any of the posts currently on that page belong there, for the reasons I've explained above.

Anyway, sorry about the length. Good luck to you & have a nice day. - w o lf  22:25, 1 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I, ★NealMcB★ (talk), find the following text, added by w o lf  to this Talk Page via this edit, to be valuable insights and worthy material to help enhance Wikipedia, including the ariticle United States ship naming conventions and/or other articles, by clarifing the relationship between ship names and numbers. For reasons explained above, wolf removed the text from here, but I want to clarify that my intent from the beginning was to get relevant information added to the appropriate pages, and I still want wolf's contribution to be easily visible as reference material, so I'll put it back here and trust that it will stay here, based on the licence under which it was posted. I again give thanks to wolf for the contribution, and hope the article or articles on ship identifiers, names, hull numbers etc. will eventually benefit from it! ★NealMcB★ (talk) 20:04, 8 March 2023 (UTC)


 * In the US Navy, most if not all ships have some type of identification. This nomenclature is part of keeping all their assets organized. The prefix is basically determined by whether the ship is a warship or a support ship. The name is part of that organizing, but is also a means of honouring or recognizing a specific person, or a location (cities, states, etc.), or previous ships of that name, among others. The hull code and numbering is usually specific to a ship type and is again part of organizing and identifying ships. Ships do from time to time change names. You would have to read about that specific ship for the reason, but one reason that has come up more than once is that a ship name was changed to honour someone, (for an example, see: USS Henry M. Jackson (SSBN-730)). The same name may be used for diffrent ships, but not at the same time, (for example, see: USS Enterprise, for a list of ships with the same name. Also see: USS Columbia (SSN-771) & USS District of Columbia (SSBN-826) for a pair of ships that almost had the same name at the same time until a corrective change was made). Ships numbers usually don't change, even if the type, prefix and/or name is changed. Numbers are usually specific to type, and at any given time, among active ships, you wouldn't see two destroyers with the same number, but you might see a destroyer, a carrier and a cruiser all with the same number, (eg: USS Ross (DDG-71), USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) & USS Cape St. George (CG-71)).
 * For more info, have a look at:


 * United States ship naming conventions
 * List of destroyers of the United States Navy
 * United States Navy 1975 ship reclassification
 * United States Ship
 * Ship identifier
 * Ship prefix
 * Hull code
 * - w o lf  22:08, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

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Wassenaar Arrangement - or is it?
Hi Nealmcb, I see your recent edits to Wassenaar Arrangement. While the events you mention are all valid, it would appear that they all happen outside the Arrangement. My understanding is that this is perhaps the beginning of a post-Wassenaar consortium, perhaps excluding some members who were not supportive of the additions you mention. So how to tackle this? A section on "the death of Wassenaar" would be sensational, and likely WP:SYNTH. Yet for sure this sort of thing is happening now. Do we need a new page? Are there any reliable sources that outline what is going on? At the very least, there should be some 'outside Wassenaar' context given to the new word. What do you think? Chumpih t 19:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Great questions. I know little about those dynamics. If you have some good sources, I think that would help guide the right approach. I ran across this which is probably not a reliable source, but provided me a tiny bit more context: https://medium.com/@allen.westley/quantum-export-controls-a-preemptive-strike-or-innovation-stifler-e037de8a65cc