User talk:Neelix/Archive 12

A PROTEST
You posted at my talk page: "Please do not attack other editors, as you did at User talk:RepublicanJacobite/Alternate. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Neelix (talk) 15:44, 2 November 2011 (UTC)"

If you would care to take some time to review this matter, Neelix, you will see that it is Republican Jacobite who not only attacked me as soon as my first original post, but is now spreading a vendetta across Wikipedia. This childishness is normally beneath my notice, but now R.J. has dragged you into it also.

Please, I must protest: you need to be more careful about whom you warn!75.21.113.40 (talk) 01:04, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

URGENT: Neelix, forgive me, but I have just seen your posting to RJ in a very calm and level-headed way, at his talk. I am deeply disturbed by something: is he demanding that my IP be blocked?! For defending myself from his original attack on me when I first posted at Steampunk discussion page??

I will be frank with you, Neelix:I have noted, as have other editors in reply to me, that Republican Jacobite has been a terror here for a long time. I am not suggesting and have never suggested that his head and hands be severed; only that he leave me alone, which he is still not doing!75.21.113.40 (talk) 01:24, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I agree with RepuplicanJacobite with everything he says here, at Talk:Steampunk, my talk page, his talkpage. Please stop bursting in like this and accept that he doesn't want anything to do with you and if you keep doing it you may well be blocked.  Rcsprinter  (whisper)  16:14, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Hey, Rcsprinter, I thought you bowed out and wanted nothing further to do with this. What are you doing dictating to me on Neelix's talk?! I will post what I see as necessary to post.

Your agreeing with RJ simply shows you choose to be on his side. Now that he's playing the victim and pretending to flee from me. Sprint, have you seen the number of editors/admins he's got involved in this?

You're all chasing your tails with RJ, just as he wants it. Never have I seen in my ten years here an editor drag others round by the nose in this way. You really have not read what RJ has posted all over Wikipedia, nor have you examined his record of troublemaking.

It is a friendly admonishment. Choose the wrong side if you wish. I am doing nothing, I am offending no one. It's clear no one wants this piling up any further. Do you Neelix?75.21.156.42 (talk) 17:15, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * IP editor - please stop your disruptive edits and comments. Any continuance will result in the blocking of the IP addresses known to be employed by you. I will take steps towards blocking your edits on Wikipedia if you respond in any way to this message. Do not contact me again, not to apologize nor for any other reason. This is your last warning. Neelix (talk) 18:20, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Important
I require your urgent attention at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured list/November 2011.  Night  w   12:58, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

"Search provides no reliable sources"
I just have a question. I'm not going to oppose the deletion of Kamen Rider G (I will be merging it somewhere), but do you only go to Google and type "Kamen Rider G" into the search, or do you also use the Japanese title? Because you're not going to find English-language sources for these pages.— Ryulong (竜龙 ) 20:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Ryulong,


 * When determining the notability of a subject, I do a more rigorous search than simply typing the name of the article in English into Google. If you believe that more reliable, secondary sources exist than I am finding, you are always welcome to add them to the articles I identify as insufficiently notable, as you did with Ultraman vs. Kamen Rider.


 * Happy editing,


 * Neelix (talk) 20:52, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I am just wondering if you do utilize the original Japanese title in your searches. Because doing so for the Ultraman vs. Kamen Rider page provided me with several references.— Ryulong (竜龙 ) 21:05, 6 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Ryulong,


 * I have searched with Japanese titles and have not found it to be useful. I am pleased that you find it otherwise.


 * Neelix (talk) 21:09, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Photo of Christmas Cactus
Hi, it seems that you originally took the photo at File:Longflower2.jpg. I'm working on the articles on Schlumbergera, including all those on the wild species, and wondered where you took this photo; I assume it wasn't in the wild is spite of the tree in the background? I'm really looking for photos of wild species; there are plenty of the cultivated houseplants. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:56, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Peter,


 * I took the photo in Zimbabwe, but it was a plant in someone's house that I took outside and hung on a tree in order to take the photo. Sorry it's not what you're looking for!


 * Neelix (talk) 14:46, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

About Anime News Network
Hi Neelix,

I noticed your AFD nomination of Kamen Rider SD, and thought that you might be misunderstanding when Anime News Network can and cannot be used as a reliable source. From your statement in the AFD, you make it sound like Anime News Network is never considered a reliable source. However, only the encyclopedia section of Anime News Network contains user-submitted content. The news, reviews, and articles on Anime News Network are written by professionals and are definitely a reliable source by Wikipedia standards. Please see ANIME/RS for more information. In this case, since the link in the Kamen Rider SD article is just to the encyclopedia section, you are correct that the linked page is not a reliable source. However, I was worried that your statement might confuse people into thinking the whole site is not a reliable source, when much of the site is reliable. Calathan (talk) 17:49, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Request for Review
Hello, Neelix. I'm one of the students from Professor Johnson's Politics of Developing Nations course for which you are one of our online ambassadors. We've been working our assigned articles all semester and will soon (hopefully) be submitting for Good Article status. If you have the time, would you mind taking a look at the Feminism in India article I've been working on with User:Pfaheem? Any suggestions on how to improve it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Kit.i.t. (talk) 00:55, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Neelix - sorry to trouble you again. Our grading period for this assignment is technically over, but our Feminism in India has been reviewed for Good Article status, and it seems like we're getting closer.  We feel quite connected to the project at this point and don't want to give up now.  We've been working hard to address all the issues and make improvements as suggested, so if you have the time, would you mind taking one more look at the article?  Any suggestions at this point can be helpful, particularly on how we might make the lead more compelling.  Thank you!  Kit.i.t. (talk) 21:32, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * As an update to this: we got Good Article status! Thank you so much, your help and guidance along the way was wonderful.  This is the first Wikipedia article I've really worked on, and to see it become a good article is an amazing feeling.  Thank you! Kit.i.t. (talk) 18:42, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Suzuki LC10 engine
Hello Neelix, just wanted to mention that I turned a stub created by you into a proper article. I thought you might find that satisfying, cheers and best regards from  ⊂&#124; Mr.choppers &#124;⊃   (talk) 07:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Mr. Choppers,


 * Thank you for informing me of your expansion of the article. It looks great! I do indeed find it satisfying to know that the Suzuki LC10 engine now has a full-fledged article.


 * Happy editing,


 * Neelix (talk) 15:37, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Future of the US Education Program and the Ambassador Project
There is a discussion about the future and the growth of the US education program along with the future of the Wikipedia Ambassador Project here. Voceditenore (talk) 07:24, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Kamen Rider
Could you tell me why you have been targetting various pages in Category:Kamen Rider for deletion? You only seem to be going after the entries which are fairly old and therefore difficult to find references for. While Shin: Kamen Rider Prologue is old, this search brings up two reliable sources on the first page. Is there a reason behind your choices as to only propose deletion for the entries whose age poorly affects the ability to acquire sources?— Ryulong (竜龙 ) 20:56, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Ryulong,


 * I have been targeting articles for which the subjects are non-notable. Such subjects are inevitably difficult to find sources for because of their lack of notability.


 * Neelix (talk) 21:02, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * However, that is not true. Kamen Rider SD is indeed notable, and was certainly notable in the 1990s when it first came out. It had a film adaptation, several video games, and several comic books. However, because it is 20 years old it is difficult to find sources, mostly because it seems that it has not been re-released on DVD or Blu-ray recently. Notability is certainly not transitory, but it is difficult to prove for these old Japanese films.— Ryulong (竜龙 ) 21:09, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Ryulong,


 * Notability on Wikipedia is not based on such things. Here, notability is based on the existence of significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources. Anything that is not retrievable cannot be considered a source.


 * Neelix (talk) 21:16, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So simply because we cannot find the sources that surely do exist and did exist long before the proliferation of the Internet, that means that the subject is not notable?— Ryulong (竜龙 ) 21:23, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Ryulong,


 * I do not see any evidence to accept your certainty that such sources exist. Yes, if no sources can be retrieved for a subject, the subject is considered insufficiently notable to justify its own article on Wikipedia.


 * Neelix (talk) 22:07, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What about all of these results? There was a movie, an album, three video games, four book series, and god knows what else. I can't find any news articles or film reviews, but with 4 million google hits, it should say it's notable, even if none of those sources are exactly reliable.— Ryulong (竜龙 ) 01:22, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Ryulong,


 * You may wish to review Wikipedia's policy on primary, secondary, and tertiary sources. It states that "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources. Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and to avoid novel interpretations of primary sources, though primary sources are permitted if used carefully. Material based purely on primary sources should be avoided. All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors." The unavailability of secondary sources demonstrates a topic's non-notability for the purposes of Wikipedia, but even if it did not, Wikipedia's policy advises against providing information on any topic that is not verifiable in secondary or tertiary sources. A topic for which no secondary or tertiary sources can be found is therefore not a topic to which we should dedicate an entire article on Wikipedia, irrespective of the topic's notability.


 * Neelix (talk) 01:38, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You can stop prefacing everything with "Hi Ryulong". This isn't a series of letters of correspondence. And also, you seem to ignore the exceptions at WP:MOVIE for when sources are hard to come by, but notability can still be inferred.— Ryulong (竜龙 ) 09:01, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


 * If you are referring to Wikipedia's guidelines regarding other evidence of notability, I do not see that any of the criteria listed applies to the films we are discussing. Neelix (talk) 20:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well what the hell do you expect for Japanese films that are reaching the ripe old age of 20? ZO is notable. Shin is notable. And SD is notable.— Ryulong (竜龙 ) 22:27, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Catwoman.jpg
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Harry Potter film series
Who were the 13 actors that appeared in all 8 films cuz I only counted 12? I have Daniel Radcliffe, Rupert Grint, Emma Watson, Alan Rickman, Robbie Coltrane, Devon Murray, Joshua Herdman, Matthew Lewis, Tom Felton, James Phelps, Oliver Phelps, and Bonnie Wright. So who is the one I'm missing? Soapfan2013 (talk) 16:55, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think Geraldine Sommerville appeared in all of the movies, she was in the Sorcerous Stone, The Goblet of Fire, The Order of the Phoenix, and Deathly Hallows Part 1 and 2. I don't think she was in The Chamber of Secrets, I just got done watching it, wait come to think of it, she was in that picture that Harry was holding, so yeah she was in there. Was she in the Prisoner of Azkaban, and The Half-Blood Prince as well, if so what scenes? I'm trying to figure this out here so bare with me. Soapfan2013 (talk) 05:21, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Regarding navboxes
Hello. Regarding Lacrimosa and my thoughts on navigation boxes please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Navigation templates. Regards, De728631 (talk) 21:16, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Fuzzies


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Review of Article for Campus Project
Hi Neelix, No one has yet looked at my students' new article Population and Community Development Association. If you have time and can take a look at it and give them some feedback that would be great. Thanks for your help. Prof M Johnson (talk) 02:34, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Francoise Sophie
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Françoise Gay
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Deletion discussion about Protected!
Hello, Neelix, and thanks for contributing to Wikipedia!

I wanted to let you know that some editors are discussing at Articles for deletion/Protected! whether the article Protected! should be in Wikipedia. I encourage you to comment there if you think the article should be kept in the encyclopedia.

The deletion discussion doesn't mean you did something wrong. In fact, other editors may have useful suggestions on how you can continue editing and improving Protected!, which I encourage you to do. If you have any questions, feel free to ask at the Help Desk.

Thanks again for your contributions! SL93 (talk) 21:45, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

For when you come back
Just wanted to let you know that I took a look at another of the lists you nominated for TFL, this time Municipalities of Lithuania. Most of it looks good, but there are a couple of sorting bugs in the table that need attention. There's no rush here; please take your time and check the review out on WP:TFLS at your convenience. And enjoy your break. Giants2008 ( Talk ) 00:26, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

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WP:TFL
Hey Neelix, just wanted to pop by to say thanks for all your hard work at WP:TFL. I know most of it must go unappreciated, but really, it wouldn't work without you. I hope you continue to keep up the great work, and happy new year to you. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:24, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, it's been quite a saga since you posted a note on my talk page about improving List of vegetable oils, but it looks like we're out the other end now. Do you still have any plans to nominate the article for TFL? If you do, let me know if I can be of any help. Waitak (talk) 15:44, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I just came here to echo the praise above, as well as the season's greetings. Happy New Year! —WFC— 17:50, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Sesame Street lists
Hi Neelix, hope you had a nice New Year's. I noticed that you've moved a few Sesame Street lists, which is cool; I have no problem with most of it, since they were created when lists weren't as important as they are now. Except for one: Sesame Street international co-productions, which you moved with this edit summary: " To be consistent with List of Sesame Street international co-production characters. Personally, and perhaps this is nit-picky, but I'd think that you'd change the list name to be consistent with the main article, like something like "List of characters in international co-productions of Sesame Street".  Perhaps a bit unwieldy, but more consistent with how the literature and Sesame Workshop refers to the co-productions.  I also think that the list should be deleted, since it serves no real purpose and has no reliable sources.  Thanks for your work here, and for helping to increase the importance of lists. Christine (talk) 14:41, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Did you see this? Here's the mail! Christine (talk) 21:29, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Favour
Hi Neelix. You may well have seen this idea of mine to try to more appropriately schedule in some topical lists. I think it's going quite well, but one thing we'll need to do is to ensure all the candidates are re-reviewed, i.e. put them in the queue for review before moving them over to the prep area, assuming there's no major objection. I've marked those which are already good to go with an asterisk but I was wondering if you'd be kind enough to prep, say, the next for, i.e. right blurbs for them and stick them into the review area? No worries if you're busy, but it would be nice to have them under review for a good few weeks before they get splashed onto the main page. All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 14:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome. We have a few weeks, thanks! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Traductions
Je viens de lire votre page personelle sur le Wiki français. I'd be perfectly happy to chip in with translations from French if there's a backlog. Feel free to toss suggestions my way. I could also manage translations from Esperanto, but I'd be surprised if there are many in that direction, given how many more articles there are in English. Waitak (talk) 03:35, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Richard Buxton
The page move you made has caused a number of problems with what I presume were previous red links to Sir Richard Buxton and new redirects being created. Could you please click on 'what links here' on the Richard Buxton page and sort the poblems out? Thanks Richerman ''   (talk) 10:06, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

File:Rajaton.jpg listed for deletion
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 * I wasn't saying to delete it simply because it wasn't being used. I nominated it because there is another image that is exactly the same (File:RajatonRev.png) that I thought looked better of the 2. Either way, one of the two is no longer needed. -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 03:58, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

List of winners of the Mathcounts competition at WP:TFL
Hey Neelix, I haven't rechecked the quality of the list yet, but is there an appropriate timing for this list, should it be slated for WP:TFL? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:16, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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Proper nouns
Just a thought. If you're pretty sure that you've got all of the proper nouns in List of English words containing Q not followed by U, you might as well make them part of the main body of the article. It seems a little silly to say "this list doesn't include proper nouns" just before a paragraph that lists all of them! Feel free to ignore the suggestion, of course, particularly if the list that you've got is just a small sample of the known qualifying proper nouns. Waitak (talk) 16:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Timeline of prehistoric Scotland at TFL
Hey Neelix, another request, could you check over what's going on at the TFL nom for Timeline of prehistoric Scotland? You nominated it, and there's been a mass of comment, I would like to run it as a "floater" since Scotland are looking to have a referendum over devolution from the United Kingdom in due course, it would make an excellent TFL! As ever, thanks so much for all your work. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:36, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Notification of pending Foresight and Futures Studies Project Proposal
As an individual involved with a key page in Futures Studies (namely Futures Studies itself), I thought it appropriate to notify you of a new Foresight and Futures Studies Project Proposal being undertaken. I look forward to any discussion you might have on this subject. John b cassel (talk) 16:38, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Language Acquisition Course Ambassador
Neelix

I will happily accept your offer for on-line ambassador help. Your offer is also timely as the librarian who was providing some tech support for us is moving to a new position.

We are a class of 7 students and I envision that we will collectively work to create or update 3 articles over the course of the term. I did use Wiki in a course last term. I found that to be a great learning experience for me. Two of those students are also part of the course. We will likely have chosen articles by early February and will begin research immediately after that. I expect most of the planning and writing to occur between mid Feb and mid March. My plan is to get articles submitted to GA review by mid March therefore leaving us time to revise if we can get reasonably quick GA review.

Thanks for the offer. We look forward to working with you.

Paula Marentette (talk) 20:59, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Great. Do you add yourself to the course page or do I add you? Paula Marentette (talk) 21:31, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Neelix

Just an update from my Language Acquisition course. We have picked two articles to work on Vocabulary development and Joint attention. These are quite focussed topics and the present articles are very short. Our goal is to get both to Good Article status. I have asked the students to work on these two articles together so that they have an internal community attentive to each other's writing and giving feedback all the way along. The students are listed on the course page with their chosen article. I have asked them to do their prep work on the talk pages, but I wonder if they should really be working in a sandbox? We would like to submit for Did You Know (which seems plausible given the size of the current articles) so I don't want them to do too much updating until they have a substantial enough set of changes to be eligible for DYK.

I have two other issues that I'd like to raise now that you can be aware of as the articles develop.

First, the vocabulary development article. In my discipline we would call this "word learning" but I haven't found a more suitable article on Wikipedia than vocab dev't. The focus of the course is how young children learn words. This is not the same as vocab dev't which is mostly about extending an already existing vocabulary. The page and title are a better fit for school-age children. I suspect what we need is a separate article on "word learning" or "early word learning" with clarification on the vocab dev't page and a link to the new page. I have asked the students to continue with the existing page as I think starting a new page is not a good idea for new editors, but I suspect that the content will have to be separated at some point. Do you have any advice about how we should handle this?

Second, the joint attention page. The students will focus on the development and significance of joint attention in human children. The page does refer to joint attention in non-human primates, and if they have time, they may be able to add enough to this content for the article to hit Good Article status, but I am not sure. It is possible this is also a topic that will need to be split. I am less certain about this one, but wanted to let you know so you could have it at back of mind as this proceeds.

I expect the students will be actively working on this for the next 6 weeks. They have a deadline of March 12 for DYK submission if they decide to pursue that, and another week or so after that for GA submission (leaving some weeks of school to respond to any comments that arise during that process.

I hope this info is helpful. We appreciate your willingness to take this on. I hope that two articles and 7 students also keeps it manageable for you! Thanks so much,

Paula Marentette (talk) 17:46, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I have a question about sandboxes. Since they are several students working on an article together, is it possible to put a sandbox for an article on its talk page? Or should they just choose a user sandbox and all use that? Also, the students wondered why they can't just work on the talk page itself. Is there a special function of sandboxes that makes material easier to move? I am a little worried about the "within 5 days" clause about submitting to DYK, otherwise I'd tell them to just work on the article proper. Paula Marentette (talk) 16:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Neelix, My biggest concern has to do with sandboxes. We know how to make them, but the move function seems to be limited to new articles. If we copy in the old article then work on it in the sandbox, then "move" it to replace the old article, will that save the original edit history etc? Sorry these feel like silly questions, but I have poked around and can't find anything about substantially altering an existing article. I guess they can work it the sandbox and then just edit by copying and pasting their changes into the old article? For some reason I think that is less than ideal. Paula Marentette (talk) 17:42, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, yes that does address my concerns. I appreciate your support. The students are set to start writing over the next bit and I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with. Paula Marentette (talk) 03:43, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Neelix, The students in my course have been working on two articles. Some have been working in their own sandboxes, some in a class sandbox. On Monday March 12 we are having a bit of a demonstration of using Wikipedia in the classroom (part of a bigger university event on teaching). Here is my request for help: Are you able to move the contents of the two sandboxes (Vocab Dev't and Joint Attention) that are currently on my user page to the actual articles sometime between Sunday afternoon and Monday morning? I have asked them to get all their draftwork into the sandboxes by Sunday afternoon. (I know they should have been writing there all along, but there it is.) Our plan is for the students to work on these articles together on Monday afternoon during the demonstration and prepare them for submission to Did You Know by Tuesday.

If the timing doesn't work for you, we'll figure something out, but I thought I'd ask. Thanks, Paula Marentette (talk) 17:37, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Neelix, We have found a "hook" to nominate the Vocabulary Development page for DYK: "From age 6 to 8, the average child in school is learning 6-7 words per day" We are not sure of how to go through the nomination process for this article, especially in light of the history merge vs the creation of a new article or expansion right on the wiki article page. We were hoping that you could nominate the page for us. Thanks, Eheiberg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eheiberg (talk • contribs) 18:34, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Neelix, I posted a DYK nomination for the vocabulary development page for March 11, as well as in the talk page for the article. Thank you for your help, Eheiberg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eheiberg (talk • contribs) 03:34, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Neelix, Both class articles are shaping up nicely. I hope we have hit the right tone and format. I notice that some kind of citation bot roared through the Vocabulary Development page and that standardized the format of the refs. Is is possible to arrange for that to happen on the Joint Attention page?

I also wonder if it is possible to do something I think is called redirect. There isn't a page called word learning, but if I were searching wiki for the info on the Vocab Dev't page I would type in word learning. Is there some way to send people who type in word learning to the vocab dev't page?

We are aiming to submit for GA review this week. Do we have any advice for us or is there anything else we need to know anything before we do that? Thanks as always. You are an invaluable resource for us.

Paula Marentette (talk) 01:54, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Neelix, Looie496 has looked at our article on Joint attention and suggested some changes on the talk page. The suggestions are great, we will consider them. My concern is that s/he also says not to bother submitting for GA at this point because it will just sit in a queue and eventually get reviewed and failed by one person for obvious deficiencies. Here are my thoughts on why we will submit for GA review anyway. Please let me know if I should change tracks as the students were expecting to submit today or tomorrow... Thanks for your advice, Paula Marentette (talk) 15:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * up until this morning, we were getting no feedback on this page about content. I think the article looks very good, it is certainly a vast improvement over what was there previously. Neither the students nor I have a clear sense of what wikipedians want in a GA. Submitting the article for review now seems like the best way to find out.
 * there is a real time pressure here due to the length of term. I can only have the students engaged in this project for so long. Once exams start I cannot require them to work on this any longer. I think they have been very diligent and attentive, and I'd like to see a review while there is a chance they can respond to it.
 * I assume they can continue to edit (to include information about dogs, or the history of the use of the term joint attention, for example) once the article has been submitted. Is that a bad plan?

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Ambassador Needed for Mount Allison University Wikipedia Class Projects
Hi Neelix: I'm looking for an online ambassador for the Canada Education Program. Courses have already started this term. I have 3 courses at Mount Allison University where I have students contributing to Wikipedia in different ways. Are you available to help out with this? Thanks. Sub specie aeternitatis (talk) 22:15, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Anthropology Courses at Mount Allison University
There are 3 courses, all of which are part of the Canada Education Program, but the setup wizard appears not to have listed the one I've set up. You can find it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Canada_Education_Program/Courses/Environment_and_Society_(Grant_Aylesworth) I've had problems with the wizrd setting up another course, so the page for that one isn't finished yet. If you're able to help you, perhaps you could add yourself as an ambassador for the Environment and Society course? The other course that I'm having trouble setting up is "Archaeology and Popular Culture". The wizard is stuck at the course description. I might have to scrap it and start afresh with the setup for that one. Perhaps I am supposed to add the courses to the CEP course table myself but I thought the wizrd would do that. Thanks very much! Sub specie aeternitatis (talk) 19:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Neelix, I've added my other 2 courses to the Canada Education Program list if you are able to sign up as ambassador. If so, please add yourself to the table and to the course pages. If not, no worries, let me know and I will keep looking for an ambassador. Thanks. Sub specie aeternitatis (talk) 01:55, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Mount Allison
Hi Neelix,

Do you have any info (contact info actually, like email) for User:Sub specie aeternitatis? Trying to get in touch with him.

Thanks.

Jonathan --Jaobar (talk) 19:22, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Fifi La Fume Merger
Why did you merge it? You said that the consensus was a agreement, but everyone opposed it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.78.72 (talk) 09:52, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Interstate 73
I'm pretty sure you shouldn't add a hatnote to an article that doesn't exist.Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 17:40, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your effort. It looked important but I didn't feel I was the one to do it.Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 15:13, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

AfD and PROD
Hi Neelix. Back in November, you got either an AfD or PROD notification, and it was during one of the template testing project's experiments. If you could go here and leave us some feedback about what you think about the new versions of the templates we tested (there are links to the templates), that would be very useful. (You can also email me at swalling@undefinedwikimedia.org if you want.) Thanks! Steven Walling (WMF) • talk   19:17, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the constructive comments. :) If you want to stay updated about any developments with this, let me know and I'd be happy to keep you in the loop. Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   22:10, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Jesus College, Oxford
I've reverted one of the list title changes (thanks for spotting the problem with the others, although I've used "educated" rather than "trained" as I think that's more accurate). I strongly prefer "List of alumni of Jesus College, Oxford" format for two reasons. (1) It avoids the "List of Jesus College, Oxford, alumni" double comma in the title, which I think is ugly. In British English, I think writers would tend to reword a sentence to avoid this in prose (e.g. "The students of Jesus College, Oxford, complained that..." rather than "Jesus College, Oxford, students complained that..." (2) The original format is consistent with Category:Alumni of Jesus College, Oxford, Category:Alumni by university or college in England etc where you will notice that the UK convention is "Alumni of X" not "X alumni".  Compare the US format of "X alumni" as in List of Washington & Jefferson College alumni, Category:Washington & Jefferson College alumni, Category:Alumni by university or college in Pennsylvania etc etc where you will notice that the opposite format is adopted. There is no reason to make a UK university list follow US precedents.  Regards, BencherliteTalk 17:13, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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Dragonlance character merges
I responded to your discussion at Talk:List of Dragonlance characters. Banaticus (talk) 23:44, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

List of FA Cup winners
Hi Neelix, just doing a quick run down my tentative list for TFLs and was wondering if you'd be good enough to nominate a blurb for the above list? It's slated for early May so no major rush, but I suddenly realised today that I hadn't scheduled anything beyond yesterday, so I kicked myself in the ass!! Also, the blurb for List of highest paid Major League Baseball players (and possibly the article) will need a quick checkover before I run it on 26 March as it seems to be referring to the 2011 season in the present tense. Thankfully it'll be running two days before the 2012 season starts so just needs a little tidy-up I hope... And finally, a blurb for List of UEFA European Football Championship finals would be great too, but that's running in July so even more time for that!! Cheers, The Rambling Man (talk) 09:46, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Mount Allison Popular Culture Course Help
Hi Neelix,

I have posted my article to the site, but I have ran into a lot of trouble because of what my topic is. I have read the help pages but I am at a lost for what to do as the subject itself is controversial and a matter of folk archaeology. I would appreciate any guidance or feedback you could provide. Here is my article Dropa stones

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Happy Adminship Anniversary
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Quick checks at WP:TFL
Hey Neelix, I've finally found a few moments to check some of your nominations at Today's featured list/submissions. I've made a number of comments over there, perhaps you should try to engage the principal editors in each case to help out? Cheers, and thanks once again for all you do for TFL, I know I couldn't do it without you! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Canada Education Program
When something like this is set up, do you know who makes sure the students understand our guidelines and policies. I've just found someone adding obvious copyvio edits (and signing them) from this project. See my comments at User talk:Sub specie aeternitatis. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 21:30, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Doug,


 * Students who are involved with the Canada Education Program are users like anyone else; when they make mistakes, their fellow users come alongside to guide them and point them to the guidelines. Thanks for picking up on the copyright violation and leaving links to the guidelines on the corresponding user's talk page.


 * Neelix (talk) 01:52, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. Dougweller (talk) 09:38, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Comments on Structuration theory appreciated!
Hi! My name is MJ. I have recently completed some pretty large-scale changes to the Structuration theory. I'm really looking for some suggestions and comments on the clarity/comprehensiveness of the Structuration page right now. The theory is one that Margaret Archer has written a lot about, and I noticed that you had edited her page. I was hoping that you might take part in a discussion on the Talk page about any further changes that might be necessary! The theory is "Highly Important" to the WikiProject on Sociology, and I want to make sure that my contribution is valuable. You're clearly an experienced and valuable editor so I thought that your comments would be helpful, no matter whether you're familiar with the theory or not. Thanks! Mjscheer (talk) 00:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Uncontested Merges
Who dies and made you Queen of Wikipedia? You just redirect articles whenever you feel like it. Isn't Wikipedia for evryone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reli source (talk • contribs) 23:31, 23 March 2012 (UTC)