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RAMSES XI

I have edited the page on Ramses XI since it contained some factual inaccuracies and poorly informed statements.

-the Chief Workman Nekhemmut was the son of Chief Workman Khons (e.g. Bierbrier, Late New Kingdom, 30, Chart VIII). He was not the son of Amenua. Contrary to what was suggested, these were clearly distinct individuals.

-Although the observation on the discrepancy in the titles of (Chief) Doorkeeper Dhuthotpe in P. Mayer A is correct in itself, it should be noted that the first instance (Mayer A, 5.15 -giving the more modest title) concerns an entry which was clearly 'abandoned'/unfinished (no further text after the name is given, which is very strange compared to the other entries), very probably because the scribe noticed that there was something wrong with what he had just written. One could even argue that the best way to explain the unfinished entry of 5.15 is to assume that it was abandoned precisely because exact titles mattered to the scribe!

-I have also removed the remarks about the suggested "impossibility" to have the Taxation Papyrus, the House List (this is not a papyrus, but merely an entry on P. BM 10068!) and Pinehesy ascribed to the whm-mswt era. The contributor apparently has not read the elaborate explanations in:

-Thijs, SAK 31 (2003), 289-306

-Thijs, SAK 35 (2006), 307-326

The statement as given is premature and damaging to a theory he/she has apparently not studied in depth.

I have also slightly altered the remark about the abandonment of the Village. There is no certainty about the time this took place. It is believed by many to have been a fairly gradual event, which may well have partly postdated the reign of Ramses XI.

Neferkere (talk) 00:18, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The Turin Taxation Papyrus was called a papyrus by Thijs in GM 173 when it is actually just a houselist, I agree. But The fact that Pinehesy is mentioned in the Year 12 Houselist text is a major problem for Thijs theory and should not be removed --since it explains why most Egyptologists reject his views that this document dates to the Renaissance era. Only Dodson accepts them in 'Afterglow of Empire.' And even Aston says that this is probably wrong today in this book review Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:06, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * PS: I agree that 'Dhuthope' is a problem but perhaps Thijs should explain why he is given different titles in the document. Or perhaps you can give your views in the Ramesses XI article why this may not be a problem. But Pinehsy's appearance in the Year 12 houselist is a big problem. The houselist surely dates to the Year 12 pre-whmst era when Pinehesy was not an enemy of the king. Thank You, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:15, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

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Ramessesnakht
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Ramesses XII?
Dear Neferkare, I was wondering if you have seen Ian Mladjov's article here. The evidence is strong that he might exist since he used the rare Amun epithet Mereramun just like Ramesses IX and XI--the other known Ramesside kings rather than meryamun. It is free. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:17, 15 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Here is a photo of this king's cartouche. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:37, 16 April 2017 (UTC)