User talk:Neier/Archive3

Naka River
Hi Neier, Turns out there are other Naka Rivers, including one in Tochigi-Ibaraki (the others are not in eastern Honshu). Don't know which one the article's about. Fg2 11:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I am not surprised that there's more than one. I scanned ja:中川, but it didn't seem to mention the Ibaraki one, but, it brings up 新中川.  Actually, I misread the Japanese page to say it empties to the Pacific in Saitama – I fixed that.  Neier 11:13, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Ahh. I see now.  The Japanese don't need to distinguish between 中 and 那珂.  More comments on the talk page. Neier 11:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello and thank you for improving articles I started. I have replied on Naka River's talk page. - Darwinek 11:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

subst: Fc and Nft templates
Hi, I noticed you made some edits with the summary "subst: Fc and Nft templates". I'm not complaining, but can you tell me what the reason is? Does it use more server power or something? I generally like to use them because my fingers are much lazier than my brain.  Slumgum  T.   C. ''  23:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info. I did think that "subst" was a needless extra, like the word "template" in , but now I know better.   sʟυмɢυм • т • c  19:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Basketball
As you can see, I am not considering a forfeit a legitimate game outcome, although I do concede the point. I think, though, that it is a safe assumption inasmuch as that for major athletic events (whether it is a professional league or something like this) we routinely assume that teams won't forfeit games. Although FIBA happens to have this silly system with the points, I think any high-level league would subject a team to rather harsh discipline if it forfeited a game, but it is such an extraordinary and bizarre situation it is always assumed that won't happen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.42.16.135 (talk • contribs).

ISBN
According to my calculations the check-digit should be 0. I'll check it out tomorrow. Meanwhile thanks or letting me know. Rich Farmbrough 23:25 23 August 2006 (GMT).
 * A9 returned nothing for me (except web hits). Rich Farmbrough 23:31 23 August 2006 (GMT).

My Bot
Please see this. my bot subst'ed lifetime as per policy. the template should be substuted. Betacommand 04:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And Yet the template is specifically listed to be subsuted. that probablay means that the template should be subsuted Betacommand 05:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

AFD
Hi, Neier. You might want to weigh in here also: Articles for deletion/Shoko Goto. It was my contention during the deletion talk for List of Japanese female porn stars (saved in my workspace) that this editor had this list deleted by dishonest means with the intention of then emptying the category. He seems to be following through on that prophecy. Once both the list and the category are deleted, Wikipedia will have been effectively censored of all mention of Japanese adult model/actresses. Dekkappai 17:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Dekkappai, you seem to be under the false impression that I delete articles on WP. However, I'm not an admin, and all articles to be deleted must go through the AfD process.  --- Hong Qi Gong 17:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way, Neier, I didn't mean to give the impression that I was trying to sway your recommendation at the discussion. My recommendation, if the list hadn't been deleted, would be to keep her name on the list. But that list was deleted, somehow, somewhere, sometime with the implication that a category (i.e., individual articles) was appropriate... The party nominating the deletion by paring it down to a category and stating, "This list really does not serve any purpose. That's what Categories are for. In fact there is a Category:Japanese_porn_stars" is completely innocent, of course. Dekkappai 18:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Tama Plaza
Hello, Neier. Since you are a leader in WikiProject Trains in Japan, which I am a member of, may I ask you for your help? I found the Tama Plaza article while searching for Yokohama-related articles. I think it should be moved to Tama Plaza Station or Tama-Plaza Station, and linked from Tōkyū Den-en-toshi Line. Can you please determine where and how to move it to? (Also please feel free to move it, too.) Thank you for your help.--Endroit 16:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * At first, it looked like a similar problem exists with Azamino, which User:Tangotango solved by creating a new article Azamino Station; but, both of those articles have separate Japanese links.  There is no article for たまプラーザ (just たまプラーザ駅) on the Japanese wiki, so I agree with you that it is a good idea to redirect this one to Tama-Plaza Station (with another redirect from Tama Plaza Station). Neier 23:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you. It looks very good now.--Endroit 03:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Railroad station names
Hi Neier,

As you can tell from Uetsu Main Line, I can't figure out how to name railroad stations. One of the things I find hardest to decide is what to write as separate words, what to hyphenate, and what to write as a single word. For example, in Uetsu Main Line, we now have Echigo-Hayakawa and Echigo-Kangawa, Uzen-Mizusawa and Uzen-Oyama (hyphenated) but Ugohonjo, Ugoiwaya, Ugokameda, Ugoushijima (solid, i.e. as a single word). I'm having trouble grasping the pattern. Of course, I personally don't know what pattern I follow with Kita and other compass directions. I guess you could say I'm lost! Fg2 21:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Personally, I like hyphens after directionals, unless I find proof that JR says otherwise. This site is very helpful in that regard, with actual pictures of the signs on most platforms. I thought Ugo- should be hyphenated as well (Like Echigo- and Uzen-).  But, the pictures state otherwise.  I don't understand the difference between Higashi-Sakata and Minamichōkai; so, I can't explain that pattern either.  But, at least it's sourced.  :-) Neier 22:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for the source. I guess I'll remain lost but at least I know where to find further information. Thanks Fg2 06:47, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Macrons
Re: your suggestion on macrons for the prefectures, it might also be wise to highlight Kyūshū and Honshū as well while we're at it. Both these articles have the macron titles but then use the non-macroned "Kyushu" and "Honshu" in the bodies of the articles. Bobo12345 13:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Uetsu Main Line
Table looks great! Thanks Fg2 07:14, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Macron
Domo arigato. I appreciate the notice. I had just completed my argument for keeping the page about a minute before. Thanks for the Wikibooks tip. I heard that they were trying to get rid of short stuff and that they only wanted real books, but I may have misunderstood. Wow, you use Mac OS X, and you like Japan, just like me! ^_^ Ja Mata. Jecowa 07:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea. Thank you. Jecowa 15:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Strange looks
Um, I was wondering… could you please explain the strange looks you get when you reveal your last name to people who speak Japanese? Does your name sound similar to "nyaa" maybe? 日本語が少しわかります. Did that last sentence make any sense? See you around. Jecowa 07:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Q: あなとの名字は何ですか？ (Anata no myōji wa nan desu ka? What is your last name?)
 * A: ナイヤー              (Nai, ya!  I don't have one) ;-)
 * Neier 09:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha, that's awesome. I always reserve tables at restaurants under the fake "foreign" name カーミ (Carmy?), and when my table comes up I can't help but snicker as they chant "かーみ様！かーみ様！". freshofftheufo  ΓΛĿЌ  11:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Jenks broke it
Unless I'm mistaken, Jenks is a rookie this year since you need 50 innings and he only had about 32 last year. So his 41 saves would be the new record.

Namba Station
I've left a comment about the article at Talk:Namba Station and if you have a little time I'd appreciate your input. I know it's not your area of the country but you probably have a system in place for working these issues out. Sorry to bug you... (^^)b   Dekimasu 04:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Sendai Area Wikipedian
Didn't expect to run into another foreigner from the sendai area so soon after joining wikipedia. If you ever want to go for a beer or something, drop me a line. Erk|Talk|homepage 09:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

One Village One Product
Neier, thanks for working on the template in the OVOP article. I've been using the nihongo template for instances when the English is an approximation to the Japanese but differs in some way (reversed names, names that have a component not translated such as "-eki" etc.) but haven't been using it for honest English. Now it makes more sense, seeing that it eliminates an extra pair of parentheses. I'll start doing it that way. Fg2 11:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Redundant Categories
Well, as you see, in Japanese wikipedia, all stations are sorted into category named after railway companies. I don't think it's troubling with TOC using Romaji such as Ka, Chi, Kya. About what you called redundant categories, I dare say that categories named after lines are not needed. (Actually, however, I can't revise all of the stations in those categories.) Moreover, it differs from Japanese wikipedia's style and is confusing, I think... --Izumi5 13:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I want to say there is somebody who wants to search directly from station name, and others will search from line name. So, how about sorting station articles into both categories named line name and company name? --Izumi5 09:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hm... I just want it the same as Japanese one, and there is ja:Category:日本の鉄道駅 sorted by romaji, but ja:Category:東日本旅客鉄道 exists and it contains all of East Japan Railway Company stations. Also, there are still articles unsorted by line names (but for Tōhoku area). At any rate, this site has biggest server, at least larger than Japanese one, you know.--Izumi5 12:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Right-o! This kind of sorting may fit an ideal. I say sorry for you that I have neglected the talk page. I should be more careful... I will start from now on! (from Category:East Japan Railway Company)--Izumi5 14:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Popular culture sections
Hi Neier,

Just a note about Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan. Although so far three editors have spoken in favor of removing trivia sections and none against, it's too early to declare a consensus, so it might not be a convincing justification for removing "in popular culture" material. (In contrast, Avoid trivia sections in articles, which you also cited, is part of the Manual of Style, so I suppose it has already gotten a consensus.) Fg2 01:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It looks like User:Dekimasu had the same idea with his Hokkaidō edits. Anyway, I figured one of three things would happen after I edited the high-profile Shibuya article:
 * Someone would revert it, at which point I would ask the user to discuss it on the project page
 * Someone would go directly to the project page and make a case for it (either of these first two outcomes would be a good thing, as it would give us an opposing viewpoint which (as you noted) we don't have yet)
 * It would remain (so far, so good; but, the internets always quiet down at Thanksgiving in the US).
 * Thanks for keeping me in check. :-)  Neier 11:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

About Daisuke Matsuzaka
Hi, I saw that you have been reverting the edits on adding what appear to be inappropriate links by other users. Checking at the history of it, I feel that a semi-protect might be needed since there has been unregistered users trying to add the same link(s) back into the article. What do you say about it? Or maybe I'm worrying too much right now? Vic226 20:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, that looks like a good idea. We will see how things go for now. Vic226 23:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

RE:Macrons from Kyoto
Sorry for the lame title, but the words Osaka, Hakkido, and Kyoto should have macrons for starters.--NOODLER450 13:23, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

AFD without edit summary
I cannot figure out what you are talking about. Please provide an example. -Thanks Nv8200p talk 23:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. I got it now. I'll correct that oversight in the future. Thanks for pointing it out. -Nv8200p talk 00:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Japanese football templates
Hi - if you take a look at my move log, you'll see where I've put the templates (all are just User:Neier/(name of template)). M a rtinp23 10:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi - as the categories were all empties as a result of the TfD, I've proceeded to delete them per the guidelines, and WP:CSD "Empty categories" (although that says "empty for five days", I'm pretty certain there won't be more items added within that time span!). When you want the old templates deleting from your user-space, let me know!  Thanks -- M a rtinp23 17:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Japanese people from X Prefecture
Hi Neier! While I have no objection to assigning people to 'Category:People from Satsuma domain', I must object to deleting the pre-existing notations for 'Category:People from Kagoshima prefecture'. Since Satsuma domain exists only historically, and not presently, I feel that it is more convenient when searching to look by current prefecture, rather than attempting to cross-reference with the historical name, or even worse, a local town or city of origin. While some redundancy exists, I do not believe this to be too much of a distraction. You will note that there are a large number of bios are currently categorized by prefecture of origin at present. If you have no strong objections on this issue, I would appreciate restoration of each to the Category:People from Kagoshima prefecture.--MChew 14:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * (Moved above comment from User:Neier

Yes! I think that your proposal to make a new split at Category:Japanese people, and create Category:Japanese people by historical province is a fantastic idea! Certainly this would be useful for people researching history, and would not conflict with catagorization guidelines. It will take a bit of work to set up, but I would be willing to help.

Also, since wiki catagorization need not be linear, I do not see any reason why Category:People from Satsuma Domain cannot also be a subcategory of Category:People from Kagoshima Prefecture. In this case Kagoshima and Satsuma are geographically the same; however, you could have (for example) Shizuoka prefecture, which spans Totomi, Suzuga and Izu historic provinces, and contains multiple domains within each historical province. Being able to go to People from Shizuoka prefecture, and having the option of going from there to each historical province would be a convenience.

I stand with you on elimination of the "People from X local city" catagories. With all of the recent mergers of cities and towns, this catagorization quickly becomes pretty unwieldy. --MChew 14:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Joban Line
Hey, can you make the station names linked to the article, even if the article is not available? --Izumi5 08:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Poll: "Ryūkyū" instead of "Ryukyu"
Hello, Neier. I noticed that you've previously voted in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)/Prefectures and macrons. A similar poll on macrons is taking place until Dec. 13 at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles). The voting seems to be deadlocked, with many outside voters rather than frequent contributors to the WP:JP project like yourself. It would really help if you can either comment or vote there, although I'll understand if you would prefer to stay out of the controversy. Thank you for your consideration.

(For full details and background information, see Ryukyu vs. Ryūkyū (in the WP:MOS-JA talk page) and Talk:Ryukyu Islands.)--Endroit 18:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Request
Please visit here. Talk:2006_J._League_Promotion/Relegation_Series_Results

Shuvy87 05:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

moved from User:Neier

Articles for deletion/List of J-pop artists
I have tried to respond to some of your arguments at Articles for deletion/List of J-pop artists and I invite you to continue discussing there. Thanks. Axem Titanium 02:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

shootings
Hmmm... :/ sorry, I just added it off the top of my head... maybe I was mistaken? ^^; heh. sorry about that. Lovablebeautyme 08:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Japanese stations..
In adding to the content translatred from the Ja Wikipedia, you may find the following site useful:

http://members.aol.com/hisakyu/index_eg.html

ShakespeareFan00 14:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Important Questions Before Marriage
Please take the time to nominate this article for deletion, as I'm sure you know it must be deleted. Acting on procedure to remove the prod is acceptable, letting the article stand on a technicality is not. -- Ec5618 13:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "Follow the rules; also, follow your own advice. Here's the link: WP:AFD"
 * Hardly. WP:IAR: If the rules prevent you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore them. In this case, this article is clearly unencyclopedic. Please, delete it. Why should I? I have added the prod notice, which was removed on a technicality (a missing parameter). If you insist on removing the prod notice, then take other action. Again, letting the article stand on a technicality is not acceptable.-- Ec5618 13:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas


Hi! I just want to say Merry Christmas to you! Have a nice holiday time. If you don't observe this event then I hope you don't mind this greeting. :) - Darwinek 20:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Hilary Swank edit (Dec. 23)
Hello Neier. Thanks for the edit (revision) to the Hilary Swank article. Swank's limited personal involvement with the charity suggests that the item was not exactly Wikipedia-worthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Que-Can (talk • contribs)
 * Thanks for the kind words. I first noticed a similar edit on a couple of articles on my watch list, and went through the contributor's list to revert the other ones (around twenty or so!) which hadn't been done already.  Neier 22:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Muslims category
Hello Neier and thank you for your message. I removed those categories because the consensus is that they do not belong on sportsmen articles. If desired, a category of Muslim sportspeople (or similar) can be created. Please see the discussion here: User_talk:217.42.5.54. Best regards. Jogurney 01:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Bayern/Urawa
check out the main English Bayern page, as it is in current events, [www.fcbayern.t-com.de/en] or this link here to the exact article. don't delete information unless you can prove it is wrong, add a tag and wait a few days before deleting.

--Jadger 00:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

JR or Jei&#257;ru
Permit me drop a line here about the JR and Jei&#257;ru problem you posted in en:WP:MOS-JA. I do not say I have a solution but I only think it may be tackled better with the concept of literal. Please read ja:ノート:ローマ字論. Kmns tsw 04:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Piping cats
No, the article is capitalised, but contains lowercase. That makes it look lowercase in some (but not all) browsers. It doesn't affect alphabetisation of categories. I've just double checked to be certain; look at the categories yourself. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd never come across the template either, until someone added it to this article; I think that it must be recent. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 11:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Japan_map.png
Thanks for notifying me about the mistake. Fg2 has corrected the image. Montydrei 23:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

macrons in titles
Could you please expand on your edit summary of
 * moved Ōyama Iwao to Oyama Iwao: Macrons not to be used in titles ?

in this edit? The WP:MOS-JA no longer makes any distinction between titles and the text of the article when it comes to macrons. Thanks. Neier 21:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * (copy of my response to User:Jefu) -- As an example, if you go to Category:Japanese people, you will note that two names are macroned. Ōno Kurobei and Ōtori Keisuke. Non-macronned Ono Kurobei results in a dead link, and a wikipedia search for Ono Kurobei reveals no results. Non-macronned Otori Keisuke only works because the current macronned page is a re-direct from the original non-macroned page. Therefore, anyone not familiar with the Japanese language and/or unfamiliar/unable to use macrons in their search will not find Ōno Kurobei. This is why I believe that macrons should be eliminated from the title as well as from the categorization. The alternative is to re-direct every macronned title from a non-macronned version, which exactly what User:Jefu has done, although many users will either not be so diligent, or else will not go to the extra trouble when they create a new article involving a macronned title. If you feel strongly about moving the title of Oyama Iwao back to Ōyama Iwao, I have no objections, but feel that some policy or consensus should be reached for consistency. Although we are in disagreement on the title, WP:MOS-JA is quite clear when in comes to use of macrons in categories, as User:Neier has once kindly pointed out to me. --MChew 01:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Shuri
Hi Neier,

I removed the deletion proposal from Shuri, which is a neighborhood (or at least a place) in Naha, Okinawa. It might be worth merging with the article on Naha, or, since it was the historic capital of the Ryukyu Kingdom (being the site of Shuri Castle), it might be worth expanding on its own. At least I can lay to rest your concern about it being a hoax.

Fg2 07:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clearing that up. The original article was worded very poorly; but given the historical context, I think you're right – it would be worth keeping and expanding. Neier 11:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Gackt
Hey, thanks for heads up; I thought maybe it had something to do with pop ups. :) I think the WP:EL thing is good now and it should be best to keep links to a min like they currently are.  Let's hope the link spam stops now.  on camera  06:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Yasuhiro Nakasone's birthdate
Hello, You have edited the article on Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone and changed his birthdate to 1927. The website gives the date of birth as 1918. I am inclined to trust the website but if you can provide evidence of his birth in 1927 I would be glad to return your previous edit. Thank you. Abc85 19:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Daishin-ji founder name
Hi. D'oh...I didn't bother to go look at the Japanese article, just copy edited the English. I went ahead and romanized. I'm pretty sure Ryō is the name, -kō a general honorific (as in Ieyasu-kō), and Shōnin a Buddhist title. Feel free to put it back in comments if you think it's still a bit suss! --RJCraig 16:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Translation of Kanji
As for the proper noun ( specifically the noun of the past-historic ), to translate Japanese into English is improper.Because, the English translation way to their Japanese of being common isn't decided.00:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Japan-lit-stub
Hi - it has come to our notice that you have recently created a new stub type. As it states at Stub, at the top of most stub categories, on the template page for new Wikiprojects and in many other places on Wikipedia, new stub types should be proposed prior to creation at WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, in order to check whether the new stub type is already covered by existing stub types, whether it is named according to stub naming guidelines, whether it reaches the standard threshold for creation of a new stub type, whether it crosses existing stub type hierarchies, and whether better use could be made of a WikiProject-specific talk page template.

In the case of your new stub type, there is no clear indication that it would reach the standard threshold for creation of a new stub type. Your new stub type is currently listed at WP:WSS/D - please feel free to make any comments there as to any reason why this stub type should not be proposed for deletion at WP:SFD. And please, in future, propose new stub types first! Grutness...wha?  01:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Did I misinterpret the decision at WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2007/January ??? Neier 01:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Oops - my apologies. I didn't notice it in the WSS/P history because it was grouped in with all those other stubs types! Grutness...wha?  01:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What does the bit about upmerged templates for others in that proposal mean, anyway? Does it mean to create the template, but leave them in the parent cat until such a time as the 60-stub threshhold is met?

Eactly right. It's often the easiest way of telling when something does reach the 60-stub level, and makes it far easier for them to be split out once it does happen. Grutness...wha?  01:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

List of transfers of Serie A - 2007/2008 season
Sorry, I didn't notice your question in this Afd. My !vote for deletion did specifically state "Delete for now", meaning I fully believe the article should be recreated in the future. As the end of the football season approaches in several months more transfer deals will be finalised, and it will be possible to create an improved version. By definition a list has to contain more than one entry, and when further transfer details are available I fully support the creation of a new article. One Night In Hackney 04:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks... It's not a big deal, as I also have no doubts that the article will be recreated in the future. It just strikes me as odd that that two or more whatevers are notable, but, one whatever is not.  I still don't think that the AFD addressed the WP:N issue, but, since bringing the same discussion up to WP:DRV more than once is bad form, I'll just chill... Neier 04:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * My concern wasn't about notability, similar articles exist for previous seasons so unless a precedent is obtained for deleting one of those articles the 2007/2008 season should be allowed to have an article. If you look at the summer transfers from 2006/2007 season the number of transfers made fully justify the presence of an article, and it's not unreasonable to assume a similar number of transfers will be made this summer.  It was just that at the time there was no real encyclopedic value to the article and wasn't likely to be any improvement for several months. One Night In Hackney 05:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Oops!
The spelling correction from entends to intends is not always accurate. In this case, it should have been "extends". I don't know how often it occurs, but, it's something to watch out for. Neier 03:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops indeed! Sorry about that, and thanks for letting me know. Cheers, CmdrObot 15:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Rergarding Stanford Stadium
If you read the Stanford Stadium article carefully, I clearly added that Stanford Stadium is one of two stadia that at the time of hosting a Superbowl had not been an NFL stadium. Superbowl XIX was held in 1985; the 49ers game in 1989. Also, it is dubious to claim Stanford Stadium as the 49ers "home stadium", even briefly. It was a stadium pressed into service in light of a natural disaster; though the 49ers were the official home team, I hardly think this qualifies Stanford Stadium as an NFL venue any more than we could claim Giants Stadium as the Saints home stadium or Sun Devil Stadium as the Chargers home turf. --Jayron 32 18:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)