User talk:Neier/Archive4

Sendai Airport Line
You're right, it's not a people mover. I've reverted the change. Thanks for noticing that. Ytny (talk) 02:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi dear Neier
>>Do not repeat the Japanese for that term in the article. >> It forbit "repeat" but not prohibit to write Japanese link, isn' it?.

if a topic does not have its own page in the English Wikipedia, but has in another language version of Wikipedia, then linking to that is useful, from a page that mentions the topic, and/or covers a more general topic. For example>

I interpret above-mentioned sentences as follows. It is not forbitten link to another language. You understood your idea but I am not agree. I don't attach to your expectations and feel sorry.

Tokyo Watcher 02:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi dear Neier
>>Do not repeat the Japanese for that term in the article. >> It forbit "repeat" but not prohibit to write Japanese link, isn' it?.

if a topic does not have its own page in the English Wikipedia, but has in another language version of Wikipedia, then linking to that is useful, from a page that mentions the topic, and/or covers a more general topic. For example>

I interpret above-mentioned sentences as follows. It is not forbitten link to another language. You understood your idea but I am not agree. I don't attach to your expectations and feel sorry.

Tokyo Watcher 02:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

 Wiki's rule is specified for the various interpretation to be possible. I am wished to show you the description which supports your claim from the rule. Tokyo Watcher

Re. Removing of closed discussion template
Thank you for reporting. Please keep an eye on it. :-) Regards, Hús  ö  nd  01:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Coatesville
(moved from User: page) Thanks for the "welcome" and suggestions. I'm trying to develop the skeleton of an online project to document the past and present history of Mill Creek Community in Hendricks County Indiana. I began with Google Earth to create the visual map of where all sorts of things are located (public and family cemetaries, old schools, long gone railroads and interurban routes, towns (some of which are only spots on a map), and so forth. My hope is to use Wikepidia as a place to record the textual (sometimes with a photo or two) of these locations. Once I get the "strawman" of this project developed I'm hoping to engage the schools, organizations, etc. of the Mill Creek Community to help fillout the many pieces of history. I'm a person who learns by trying. I think Wikepdia is a great tool for what I'm doing, but I'm struggling to figure out how to follow all the rules, how to format pages, what size photos make sense, and a whole lot more. I'm certain all that information is available on Wikepidia, but finding and understanding it is NOT easy. It would seem a "Getting Started" tutorial would be very useful. Be patient with me and continue to provide suggestions (with related examples) of how to ensure my additions don't get deleted before I have a chance to learn the many in's and out's AND then explain that to others. Dharrold 16:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletions
When you're tagging a redirect (or any page) for speedy deletion, please don't blank the content. Just place the tag at the top and leave the redirect in place. Thanks! Kafziel Talk 12:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok. I wasn't sure how the redirect would act with the extra template in front of it, so that's why I deleted the text.  Thanks for the advice. Neier 13:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Mill Creek Community Questions
When I created some of my articles (e.g.Cartersburg springs) I mistakenly made the word Springs lower case. Any way to correct these?

Also, I thought I'd share with you where I am with my efforts to document the history of the Mill Creek Community. Visit Mill Creek Community Historical Societyto get a better idea of how this project is developing. The site isn't fancy - at least not yet - but I think if you will spend a bit of your time there and possibly download my latest Google Earth file you will see where I'm headed. Then I'd appreciate your thoughts. Dharrold 18:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Aki Hoshino Birthday
I don't know how do you get the information saying that she was born at 1977 instead of 1978. As far as all the DVD's and related materials I have, they concerned me that she is a product of 1978. Show me your evidence if you stick on with your choices. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scorto (talk • contribs) 08:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
 * I've tried to give him an answer at User talk:Dekimasu, and I'm hoping that will suffice. Dekimasu よ! 08:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I also updated the talk page with a "reputable" source. Neier 09:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

List of railway stations
I'm confused about the titling setup of List of Railway Stations in Japan. I thought I'd come here before doing anything else because I don't want to unintentionally spoil the broth of something the trains project is working on. First, I think you'd agree that the capitalization should be changed, although that's just a little thing.

Further though, doesn't the titling violate WP:Subpages? I know that the individual pages aren't officially subpages because of the way the code works for the article namespace, but I feel like I'm missing the reason for the frontslash titles. Other articles seem to go by titles like List of authors by name: A. Dekimasu よ! 09:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Those lists are among the first things I did for the trains project, so, it's not a surprise that they break some rules. Originally, there were a few incomplete articles in Japanese vowel order, and it's likely that I just named these lists in the same manner.
 * Yes, the capitalization should be fixed. I had never seen the section on disallowed subpages until now.  Slightly in my defense, the "disallowed" section wasn't explicitly added until last May; but, there's no guarantee that I had read the WP:Subpages article before creating those lists.  So, I don't think there is any problem with renaming them.  They all use a template at the top, so, fixing the index should be fairly painless too. Neier 09:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll work on it, then. I just wanted to make sure before I did anything. There's no need to defend yourself, of course... thanks for the reply. Dekimasu よ! 09:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Enjoy!


has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Trampton 15:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

Quick question
May I ask why you believe the Daffodil Daniel article qualifies for a speedy delete? It certainly does not meet established Wikipedia standards for a such hasty action. Thanks for your time. GroverTheGnome 08:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Clamp subcats
Hi, thanks for your message. Let's just take the coherent approach and go with the lengthy variant for both subcats, also the one for the voice actors, as it has been tagged for listification for some time now, without anything happening. Personally, I still think its a needless disambiguation to put the "(manga artists)" into the cat names as well (no one raised such objections after "KISS" was moved to "Kiss (band)") and we can probably check back in three years from now and there will still be no category dealing with different types of clamps. But alas, that's not at all your fault and its better to go with the compromise than leaving the stylization in any longer.

By the way, given that we seem to share an interest in reducing stylized typography on Wikipedia and both do a lot of editing on Japan-related articles, should we keep each other informed about discussions going along those lines? - Cyrus XIII 20:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I just gave all of that band's albums a thorough style cleanup. I'll continue with the singles, main article and template later on. This might raise the usual red flags with local regulars (=fans of the group) but then again, what good are our policies and guidelines if they are not being applied? - Cyrus XIII 17:17, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Finished the last Hight and Mighty Color-related article today - quite a bit of work. I'll think of something regarding those Clamp cats and msg you then. Another discussion came up at Talk:Danah Boyd, not Japanese pop culture but capitalization-related. Btw, how do you think about a more general guideline for typographic issues, one that not just covers trademarks but all sorts of stylization (published works, names, etc...)? It might make editing a lot easier. - Cyrus XIII 23:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Great, I was wondering how to best keep that edit war at the Nights articles contained. Thanks a lot! - Cyrus XIII 00:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

About categorizing stations...
It seems that Category:Stations of  all moved to Category: , what happened? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Izumi5 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC).


 * There was this discussion (and a sub-discussion here) which first started to get rid of Category:  as redundant. Since a line category could have relevancy to more articles than just stations, the nomination eventually reversed itself where Category:Stations of  was listed as redundant.
 * The Category:Stations of  is technically more accurate, because inside, those subcategories (like ) are not just stations now. I have had that discussion with someone before, and, their response was that categorization is not a strict tree, and, there are often compromises like that made in sub-cats.  Complete accuracy in the category name is sacrificed for fewer categories to maintain.  I don't agree completely with that, but, it is something I've seen often enough in WP:CFD.  Neier 02:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Utada
As far as actually going ahead and proposing the move to Hikaru Utada, the problem I forsee is that a significant number of people at WP:RM regularly base their votes on Google hits and WP:NC (CN). Do you have any ideas about how to explain why MOS-JP should take precedence? Dekimasu よ! 05:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Whenever I build the nerve to bring the RM, it will be a good test, for sure. I plan to mention the rationale for the WP:MOS-JA rules in the first place (basically, to prevent constant bickering about name order, in deference to the normal GNFN order at WP:NC) and that rather than relying on ghits, the Japan project mimics the real-world and sets a standard with a 1868 dividing point.  In Utada's case, the ghits are about 4:1 in favor of FNGN.  I think I'll press anyone who thinks that 4:1 is a good enough ratio for WP:NC (CN) to override the normal case of GNFN for a comment at which point they would draw the line (that is, 4:1? 3:1? 1.0000001:1?).  But, beyond and above that, if the country-specific manuals of style are to be ignored, then, there is not much purpose in having them, is there?  All of the examples in WP:NC (CN) and WP:NAMES are euro-centric, and that implies that the Japanese, Chinese, and other country peculiarities are not thought of as a whole by the general MoS; and that the country-specific MoS's are not to be treated lightly.  I think that if I wanted to change from Hikaru Utada to Hikki Utada, then, applying the general guidelines would be suitable.  But, this case is not so obvious to me that WP:MOS-JA should be overruled. Neier 07:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I do agree with you, and I hope it will go smoothly. It's true that "if the country-specific manuals of style are to be ignored, then, there is not much purpose in having them". I suppose that's the crux of the problem; which takes precedence in the case of a contradiction doesn't seem to be explicitly stated anywhere. It seems clear to us that the more specific rules in the Japanese manual of style should take precedence, but since the basic MOS is used for standardization purposes, I understand why it's not clear to everyone. Under normal circumstances – e.g. if I was participating in a move discussion about a Kazakh pop star – I would see 4:1 in Ghits as a pretty strong endorsement of the current title, not even close to the cutoff line you mention. Dekimasu よ! 07:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Subst of nft and fc templates
Why do you keep on substituting Team with Team Name, with no explanation or possible reason? -- Boothman /tɔːk/  11:46, 7 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Cheers for the explanation lad. Carry on the good work. -- Boothman /tɔːk/  18:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC).

Hideki Matsui
Thanks for your note. That one user is bound and determined to impose his view of things. I would be the first to say that ideally he's right - that Matsui should get credit for the 519th game. But the rules are what they are. And either way, the streak ended well shot of Gehrig and Ripken's numbers. That user is obsessed with streaks in general (and his own take on them) as well as making corrections to birthdates based on obscure documents he found someplace. That's another story. Wahkeenah 13:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm working with an admin to try to shut that guy down. He's posting his personal research on streaks and dates in various places. If he continues to be a pest here, let me know. Wahkeenah 23:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * He's been very active today, between at least two different IP addresses and keeping 3 or 4 editors busy reverting his birthdate stuff and this streak nonsense. My main admin is on vacation right now or it would have been stopped again for awhile. Wahkeenah 00:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * SABR has been notified about this guy. We'll see what happens. Wahkeenah 11:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

AWB edits (electro-stub)
I know exactly what you're talking about. In AWB, I have it set to do a find/replace and add the replacement to the edit summary. Occasionally when I view an article, I see that it's too long to be a stub and I remove the stub tag. Or in the case of the list, lists don't get stub tags. However, AWB stills adds the replacement to the edit summary, even though I didn't end up doing it. I hope that makes sense. Basically, it's just a quirk with AWB and nothing's broken. Thanks for keeping an eye out though! ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  02:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Why delete?
Why should you delete the macedonia squad template? You people, i really dont understand you, why dont you delete all the propaganda which wiki is full of, instead of normal, helpful info like this. Makedonia 08:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

That's very cool you've met Goce, he is a great player! :) About the template, Macedonia's team is not changing so much, and if it changing that is only a very small change, and i will be glad to keep this template up to date to the current roster of the NT. The template looks good on the pages i think, so why not leave it? There are also templates of Club teams, and club teams lineups change faster than any other team, so why keep them? and deleting macedonia nt template? That's not logical GreetingsMakedonia 19:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Use Iccho Itoh
If the man prefers Iccho Itoh, use that one, Neier :) WhisperToMe 23:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Japanese name order
No need to involve an admin, I have reversed the direction of the redirect as per request. Tbjablin 05:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Gah!
Tough one, but you already broke the problem down into very handy bits. The db/dB thing is easy, since an all-lowercase noun in and especially at the end of a name/title isn't what we normally do and "dB" just happens to be the actual capitalization of that unit. As for Yūka/U-ka, well, given that the band name has an official romanization, one could consider that bit about loan words in WP:MOS-JA applicable (like not using "Tōkyō", but "Tokyo", which is also, what Japanese officials use to refer to their city in English). I'd go for "U-ka Saegusa in dB".

In other news, I recently put in a Request for Comment at Talk:X Japan, which among other things touches style/capitalization issues. Some of it is really pretty trivial stuff (at least I'd like to believe so), but you know how some discussion can go on and on for no good reason. - Cyrus XIII 11:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * With both official websites using the official romanization (which in turn uses the Western naming order and the incorrectly romanized "U-ka") right at the the top of them? I believe if the subject uses a romanized form that consistently, it's like the official English (or in this case "Roman") title of an anime/manga, which the English Wikipedia should just go with, for the sake of common use. - Cyrus XIII 05:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * More fun at Talk:"it's a small world". Should we create something like a regular thread for such notifications? - Cyrus XIII 09:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I was more thinking of some sort of "Noticeboard" section on each others' talk pages. But a WikiProject for style and formatting would be nice, as well as a more general guideline (which not just covers trademarks but every possible field) and a template to denote official capitalizations without putting too much emphasis on them (as discussed here, but with no feedback, so far). That's about everything Santa could bring me this year for Wiki-Christmas. ;) Cyrus XIII 09:40, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion proposals
It took me a while to figure out how I could have missed so many Japan-related deletion proposals. Then it dawned on me that you looked at today's category. I usually don't bother until the category is closed, that is, I look at yesterday's. Mystery solved. Fg2 11:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Dates and Streaks
That set of IP addresses, all connected with User talk:Ron liebman, are certainly getting annoying. I would report them, but my favorite admin is apparently on vacation at present. Wahkeenah 00:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

And User talk:Moe kaplan appears to be another sockpuppet of the same user. Wahkeenah 22:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Isidore wax, now, eh? Well, they come and they go. They wax and wane. Wahkeenah 23:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

An admin has temporarily dispatched User:Ron liebman and his growing list of sockpuppets. We'll see if the editor has chilled out or is determined to seek a permanent block. Meanwhile, thanks for your help with the Matsui article, which I'm only watching because of the streak nonsense that Liebman kept posting. Wahkeenah 06:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello
I am very happy to know about someone like you, doing the best to improve japanese articles in English, thank you so much! ( I am Japanese ). I really need your help to improve the articles that I started, it is abour Aki Kuroda, very famous japanese painter, whom you added this \DEFAULTSORT:Kuroda, Aki\nI don't know why you did it and how it works, maybe because there are two japanese artists with the same name? One is a pianist and another a painter??? Thank you in advance for your answer.(Artist in France 09:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC))

Takeji Nara
Hi. I've AfDed this article (didn't notice it had been prodded already), and you look like the person to notify. Best, Sandstein 05:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Formatting noticeboard
Ok, I think I will just fire this place up with the regular assortment of notifications. First there is Talk:DeWALT, though I don't think it will be much of a problem and then there is hide (musician), which should be edited to complement X Japan, now that the edit war over there is (hopefully) over. About that idea of formatting task force/WikiProject, do you happen to know a few more editors who'd be interested? - Cyrus XIII 23:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that User:Dekimasu and User:Hoary might be interested (especially, as related to cleaning up Japanese articles). But, as Numb3rs and It's a Small World show, it is not just a Japanese problem. Neier 13:54, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

DOUBLE changed to Double
Hi, Neier.

I see you changed DOUBLE_%28singer%29 to Double (singer) and edited the article accordingly. With all respect, that's an error. The name is spelled with all caps. See, for example, and ダブル (歌手).

Japanese pop music does stuff like this all the time. It drives me crazy, and on my personal MP3 collection I do use the English conventional case forms, but for Wikipedia, I think we should stick to the correct renderings.

Terry Carroll 15:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Neier, thanks so much for your response and for the pointer to WP:MOS-JA.

The capitalization in at Fayray has been driving me nuts for months. I think this gives me license to correct it.

Also, I'll probably want to conform the titles for the individual pages linked from that page, with redirects, as you did with Double (singer). Is there a mechanical way of doing that, or is it a manual process?

Terry Carroll 17:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your help! Terry Carroll 22:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Edit to 2006 FIFA World Cup controversies
Hey, I think you reverted the wrong edit (diff). If you meant the Korea vs Switzerland section, I've already taken care of it. BTW, the edits from the IP accounts in the 211.x.x.x range belong to User:Miracleezz. --Ytny (talk) 13:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for Tag in Ohyama Iwao.01:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC) Correct spelling thanks you. 01:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Neier
Thanks for your comment on my page. I'll look at that example page and try to fix most of the stations. I'm planning add more to it in the next month or 2. Thanks again?

P.S. If you have time, can you help me make articles on Kintetsu? Thanks!Hirohisat 23:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Hide
Oh, I didn't know about that, what's the traditional background? By the way, thing's are going extremely smooth on the X Japan-related articles lately. The previously omnipresent quarrels with other regulars about formatting and verifiability issues seem to have ended for good. - Cyrus XIII 11:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Dokdo
I edited the description of pro-korean ext links which you reverted. IMO, "English speaker" is an inappropriate description since both pro-korean, pro-japanese and third parties may be enlglish speakers. I'm willing to discuss this with you but please leave an explanation if you want to dispute my edits. THanks.melonbarmonster 17:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * That's no problem. I didn't realize that the edit had changed anything below.  All that I intentionally edited was the infobox, to order English, Japanese, and Korean names.  I don't intend to make any controversial changes to that article like that. Neier 22:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

About Minamichōkai Station
Please pardon because I'm not be good for speaking English.

Nice to meet you. Thank you very much for your kind message.

About Minamichōkai Station... sorry, I was mistaken. There is a place name "Chōkai" in Yamagata prefecture. I thought "Minami" is an adjective because "Minami" in Japanese means "South" in English. I undid all my editing about Minamichōkai Station. Thank you very much for your contact.--Broad-Sky 13:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I also agree the policy on Japanese trains project.


 * About the difference between "Uzen" and "Ugo", I expect that JR thinks about transcribing name of stations rightly because the last letter of "Uzen" is "n" (e.g. Uzen-Ōyama Station).There is some possibility of misunderstanding "Na", "Ni", "Nu", "Ne", "No" if it was not for hyphen on the contrary "Ugo" has no anxiety about it. But these are lacked unity of orthography in JR group. Newer signboards(The name of Station) are often right but older signboards are not. I think that older signboards will renew gradually.


 * Thank you very much for your invitation to the project. I join in it.--Broad-Sky 04:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC) Correct--Broad-Sky 10:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)