User talk:Neier/Archive5

Changing categories for Japanese railway line articles
Hi. I see you have been working through a large number of JR East railway line articles moving them from the "Lines of East Japan Railway Company" category to individual "XYZ Line" categories. Could you explain what benefits this creates? I personally frequently used the "Lines of East Japan Railway Company" category link at the bottom of article pages to navigate easily from one line to another, but this is now no longer possible. I can't see why anyone would click on the "XYZ Line" category link at the bottom of a page, since the category generally only lists articles stations along that line, and these will be usually be linked from within the line article anyway. Maybe I have missed something, but removing the "Lines of East Japan Railway Company" category from these pages has greatly reduced ease of navigation, and I would like to restore them. DAJF 08:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Nissan Stadium v International Stadium Yokohama
I am wondering if there is some rule or naming convention on Wikipedia for what to do when a stadium has a name from a sponsor that needs to be changed. Because, if you look at the JFA report in English it is one name at the top, but the article actually uses Nissan Stadium. If you look at the Japanese report, at the top it uses both names, but in the article it just uses the old name.

If there isn't a wikipedia convention, it would seem that the best way to go for when listing FIFA matches would be to have the FIFA name and then in brackets the actual name, following the Japanese article.

What do you think?XinJeisan 16:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There is this example at 2006 World Cup where they list both the FIFA name and the actual name.XinJeisan 16:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Gah²
I'm right in the middle of a neat little content dispute at Talk:Mr. Children and somehow the messages "fan site ≠ reliable source" and "biographies of living people ≠ uncited content" do not quite seem to get through. Plus the locals are ignoring the result of a recently failed move request and continue to employ the stylized variant of the band name. The usual...

Since I'm all out of arguments/already repeating myself, edits (for today) and nerves, I thought I might give you a call. I've left a draft of the article in my sandbox (neatly wrapped in nowiki tags), which sorta reflects the next revision I would upload, all WP:BLP/WP:MOS/WP:EL compliant. Take care, and call me if any new cases on your end come up. - Cyrus XIII 01:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I've attempted to deal with the style issues on my own, without consulting your sandbox. The BLP and EL issues will require more time... maybe later. Neier 06:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Asuka Kazahana
You were right. My bad. The article was a hoax. It's gone now. Rklawton 04:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Olympics
Hi Neier! I have watched your recategorizing and now I have some questions.


 * Tug of war: You have added "Is tug of war an athletics event?" Hmm, well, yes, but this is the reason why I only added "competitor", because I was also thinking about this. I know, that tug-of-war was included in the athletics programm, but on the template:events for these Olympic years we have a buttom for tug-of-war. Do you think it would be better to create seperate cats for the tug-of-warers?


 * Competitors for Nation: Do you think it will be good/necessary to tag them with "tag as parent cat"? So that most of the competitors will be categorized into an appropriate subcategory?


 * Summer/Winter Olympic medalists: What do you think about? Do we want to add 1000s or 10,000s of medalists in each of these cats?

Thank you and :) Doma-w 21:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you, too. There's a lot of work to be done in there... the more the merrier.  Anyway, regarding your three questions:
 * I don't have any preference between a tug of war category, or categorizing them under the athletics tree. Another option would be to make the t-o-w category, but, subcat it inside Athletes.  That creates a dangerous precedent where we could have "sprinters", "distance runners", "javelin", etc though.  So, it's probably best to avoid it.
 * Yes. For the Winter Olympics, I tagged them as I went.  Going through the nations is going to take some time, however, so, it is probably a good idea to get them tagged as soon as possible.
 * I'm on the fence about categorizing by medal. I won't disturb the current cats, but, I don't have plans to go through all the medalist articles and make wholesale category additions to them all.
 * Note that I'm about to go on a limited-access wikibreak, where I'll still try to contribute to discussions; but, mass-changes like I've been making to these articles are probably out of the question. Neier 14:39, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your quick answer. Yes, I have seen, that the Winter Games were in bad contitions - the Summer Games are clean - for now.


 * Maybe my third question was not exact enough. I thought about the Category:Summer Olympics medalists and Category:Winter Olympics medalists. I think we have now about 10,000+ Summer Olympics medalists and I think there is no sense to put them all in this one category. Because now one medal can be categorized into "Olympic medalists"+"Summer Olympics medalists"+"Olympic gold medalists"+"Olympic gold medalist for Oman". So I think we had to tag the first three and only add this medal in the category "Olympic gold medalist for Oman". I think this is enough and the medalist can easily be found.


 * I would like to tag all of these cats (e.g. Category:Olympic competitors for the United States) for the nations with a hugh number of competitors. What do you think?


 * Well I know, that this is really a hard work, so take your rest - the next Summer Games will start soon! :) Doma-w 16:39, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. I think the  and  are overkill.  They are useful only as a place to put all the lists (and even then, it is almost redundant with ).  But, I definitely don't think that there needs to be any category structure underneath them.  The existing  subcats "by nation", "by medal", and "by sport" seems sufficient; and there's not much point in dividing up, if all of the subcats are shared between the two.  In other words, unless you want to make Category:Summer Olympic gold medalists for Italy and Category:Winter Olympic gold medalists for Italy, then you end up having Category:Olympic gold medalists for Italy underneath both  and  and, there is not any reason for the split.  Maybe those two should be CFD'd? Neier 02:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I do not want to split them, I only want to tag them. :) I only want to put out the last 100 medalists from the and to keep it clean, so that there are only the lists in. And the same must be done with ?


 * It's like the same to ? Doma-w 09:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok. I still don't think that  is all that useful, since we have  (and, it is less than one page long).  But, I definitely agree that if the category remains, then it should not have any athletes competitors in it, just tags. Neier 09:24, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes! You are right, I havn't thought about this up to now! They are equal. :) In fact and  could be deleted and therefore the  could be splitted into  and ? Both without competitors, just lists. Is this more useful? Doma-w 09:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That solution would work, if you just want create the two new categories like you mentioned above, and then CFD the two unnecessary and redundant ones. Another way would be to re-cat the existing two, so they would be underneath, and, then ask to rename them ( to ; and   to ).  The net result would be the same; and, the first method is probably causing the least trouble, even though there would be duplicate categories for a week while the CFD takes place. Neier 11:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Puhh, more complicated than I thought. Well I have no idea how to do this, but this would be the best way. Here we see, that you are the Olympic cat expert! :) Doma-w 12:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Mediation
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Kanagawa prefecture
Thanks for the recommendation. Will do :-) (hopefully, not many left !) CultureDrone 12:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Boyd case summary
Hi, could you prepare some sort of summary of your take on the Boyd case in advance, in case the mediator requires one from each of us? It might help to prevent any slowdowns of the process, due to your break. Anyway, enjoy your time off, get those box brackets out of your head for a while & see you in August (maybe I'll get the ball rolling on that WikiProject Style thing by then). =) - Cyrus XIII 22:56, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Template:nfbt
I tried to find that template, but couldn't. Thanks for pointing it out. eae 17:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Half-way Edit Job?
You edited an article, Nihonkai (Train), and believe me, this has nothing to do with the fact that I wrote it, that's beside the point of what I have to say. To me, it looks like you tried to apply a MOS to about a half to a third of the article and then just quit. Now, I happen to completely disagree with the MOS-JA. I think it's crap, however, if you plan to apply to any article, then you should willing to at least finish the job. The way I wrote the article was, at the very least, consistent. Now, it's not, and I think it looks messy. I also find it interesting that you are currently in the category of being unactive right now. So, if you wish to go finish your editing job, that's fine. If not, then I'm going to revert it back and make some of my own changes to clean it up. Thanks. Hosikawafuzi 02:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all, the fact that I'm on vacation is precisely why I stopped editing the article when I ran out of time. If you want to compare my edit counts this month to June, May, or earlier, then, be my guest.
 * The second half of the article was so rife with superfluous kanji that I had to give up... I had hoped that by cleaning up the first half as a good faith edit, then others who were watching the article would continue to improve the article, which is the wiki way.  Reverting MOS changes or threatening to make a WP:POINT could result in temporary or permanent user bans, so I would not pursue that course of action if I were you.  If you have an issue with any aspect of the MoS, I suggest that you take it up there instead of here.  Neier 04:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * First of all, I did not threaten you. I asked you to finish the job you started, or I was going to start it over.  I never said I had a problem with what you were doing, it's that you left it half finished.  If you are on vacation, it might be a better policy to not start something you can't finish.  That seems more logical than anything else.  I simply asked you to finish the job.  I don't agree with what you are doing, so I, personally, am not going to finish it for you.  What I said was, that if you don't finish doing it your way, I'm going to start over doing it my way.  That is a reasonable course of action.  If, within a given period of time you don't finish what you started, it is resonable for me to come along and improve the article in a way that I feel it should be done.  That is the Wiki way.  Like I said, I disagree with the MoS, but that's not going to change the fact that it exists, and no matter how backward I think it is, I'm not going to convince so many others to change.  Therefore, I requested that you or someone else that agrees with you, finish it.  If not, then I already have my own plans for clean-up.  Either way, the artcile needs to be cleaned up further and to completion.  That's all I said.  Hosikawafuzi 16:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Japan taskforces
In order to encourage more participation, and to help people find a specific area in which they are more able to help out, we have organized taskforces at WikiProject Japan. Please visit the Participants page and update the list with the taskforces in which you wish to participate. Links to all the taskforces are found at the top of the list of participants.

Please let me know if you have any questions, and thank you for helping out! ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Racist crap on Music of Japan
Hi, This is a shared network account, I believe, as I am sitting in my local library just looking up things and assure you that I am not responsible for the racist content. Sorry about that. 144.131.93.247 06:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Warning
This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. --Sasanoha 12:07, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh really? Specify the diff of the "vandalism", Sasanoha. -- Hoary 01:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I think Sasanoha was upset about my removal of some questionable (and somewhat redundant) images from Tokyo. Mine was not the only account to be warned.  Maybe I can put this up with my barnstars. [[Image:smiley.svg|20px]] Neier 12:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep, seeing the words "Neier" and "vandalism" in the same sentence seems kinda bizarre.
 * Neier: Great to have you back, by the way. - Cyrus XIII 12:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I may be a bit slow to warm up to my previous levels, as I also catch up on other (non-wiki) things after being off the island for a month, and try to keep my head above water in a heated discussion that won't go away. Neier 12:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring over Obama redirect.
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Continued edit warring over Obama redirect.
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Obama. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors.

I also recommend you read over WP:POT before bringing your posturing back to my User_talk. Italiavivi 02:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Want to apologize in advance?
I'm very much looking forward to the outcome of the CheckUser you filed. I hope you enjoy crow boiled. :) Italiavivi 03:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Italiavivi, please remain civil in your interactions with other editors. There is no valid reason for posting such a rude comment. Please stop. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)



Hokoji
Just because a temple exists, doesn't make it noteworthy. Temples in Japan are like churches in America. There's one on every corner. "法光寺 青森県" gets a grand total of 320 Google hits. "白華山法光寺" gets 42 Google hits. I originally removed it from the disambig page because the web page that was being used as a reference actually made no mention of the temple whatsoever. If you have a useful reference, feel free to add it back, useless though it may be. Bueller 007 04:36, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Swedish National Women's Hockey Team
Hi Neier. I think the move you made doesn't make grammatical sense. The phrase "Sweden National Women's Hockey Team" seems to be awkward, though I agree the change from "American National Men's Hockey Team" makes grammatical sense. I just think the move should only apply to the United States teams, as the nation's name is in a bit of a different format. Iceberg007 19:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that it can sound a bit awkward; however, the purpose of the previous discussion was to bring the ice hockey article names for all countries to match the rest of the sports. In Category:National sports teams of Sweden, there are no other Swedish . . . teams listed.  If you think that Sweden women's national football team is more grammatically correct than Sweden national women's ice hockey team, then, that's a separate matter.  The examples I've seen in various national categories between Country (men/women)'s national xyz team versus Country national (men/women)'s xyz team are not overwhelmingly in favor of one style over the other; so, I don't know if it would be possible to easily build a consensus regarding a single standard.  Neier 03:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * In that case, perhaps, it is a good idea. I guess as long as there is a redirection from "Swedish ..." to "Sweden ...", people who look up information will be able to access it.  Tough call, but sometimes they have to be made, I guess.  Iceberg007 19:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Wondering why you modified link
wondering why you changed Category:Martial arts practitioners|Miyagi, Chojun to Category:Martial arts practitioners User5802 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Masami Ihara
Hi! Curious about the discrepancy in Masami Ihara's cap totals, I checked the FIFA Men's Century List (PDF Here), which gave the total as 123; following up, I checked the edit history of the IP address which made the original 123–&gt;122 change, and saw that a whole raft of Japanese men's soccer players had their cap totals decremented by one on that day, citing the same yahoo.jp article. Unfortunately, I don't read Japanese, making it difficult for me to figure out what is going on there. Is there something in that article which explains the discrepancy? FIFA doesn't keep their Century list PDF updated in real time or anything, so if they had for some reason decided that some international match Japan played in the past didn't count or some such, I guess it would all make sense.

At any rate, if the yahoo.jp article giving the lower numbers is really more accurate than the FIFA list itself, I can go change Masami Ihara's cap totals on all those other articles which still say 123 to read 122 as well. –Ray Radlein 20:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In June, the Japan soccer federation reviewed their past records, and recalculated what they thought were top-level matches.  has a detailed list, but it is only in Japanese too.  The net effect was what you guessed -- that Ihara played in one game which was not actually an A-match.  This PDF file may be a bit more convincing, even if you don't read much Japanese.  It documents the players for every match in Japan's history.  (A in the column by the score is a top-level match).  If you go to 1992.07.16 on the next to the last page, (the changed matches from the previous link are all in red), you will find Ihara's name (井原 正巳) as the third player listed (the sixth column of Japanese characters after the column where the A should have been.  The three Japanese columns in between are the opposing team name, match site, and tournament name).  Thanks for following up. Neier 00:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * De nada. To follow up on the following up, the two articles I knew of which needed adjustment to come back into agreement with the new total were List of football (soccer) players with 100 or more caps and Japan national football team. The article for Cap (sport) reproduces the top dozen of so men and women, but Masami Ihara's 122 is way down the list, so he's not included there.


 * Just for the heck of it, I checked 井原正巳, and the total was 122 there as well. :-) The Arabic numerals kind of stand out, making it easy to check that part of the article, at least &mdash; heck, the other day, after I finally got off my ass and created the Homare Sawa article I've wanted to write for three years now, I was able to go over to 澤穂希 (thank you, cut and paste!) and edit their article to include her current cap totals as well. I imagine that somewhere there is one of those "Are you a Wikiholic?" tests where "I have edited articles on foreign-language Wikipedias in languages I do not speak" would have to be good for at least a few points. –Ray Radlein 22:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Kanji DAB
Yeah, I realised that the kanji were different for different stations, and I meant to correct it on the dab pages, but as I was generally doing it at work and not really concentrating it didnt really happen... We still need the DAB pages anyway at least they are there and can be fixed. The interlanguage links need a bit of fixing however. I had to move a few pages that existed (mostly as they were created as the Japanese page was not DABed due to kanji differences) but at least my main aim of improper page creation wont happen... I fixed some of the links on your list as well where I noticed it, revert if needed --Dex1337 10:33, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The usual (formatting)
Thanks for recently dropping by on my talk page for that Nights thing. Could I ask for your opinion on a couple of issues? Those would be the formatting of the M*A*S*H franchise and iPod nano brand respectively, as well as a recent post of mine on the talk page of WP:MOS-CL, that has gone uncommented so far. - Cyrus XIII 01:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delay–been away for a couple of days. I don't think that there's anything in the MoS which gives Nano an exemption to the upper-casing of proper nouns.  All of the iPods (photo, mini, shuffle) seem to be done with the lowercase; but, that just means more people will want to comment. :-)   As for M*A*S*H, the franchise page should probably be changed, even without a MoS interpretation; because it deals with subjects which had the asterisks (the TV series), and which did not (the original movie).  But, the asterisks in the TV series are no different than the mark in Macy's logo (which is explicitly knocked out in the MoS), so, there is no reason for them to stay around.  Some RS may use the asterisks, but, we follow our MoS, and not another site's.  Neier 11:32, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Land speed record for railed vehicles
There is not the rule to have to be chronological order. I think that I am forgiven even if the generation slips off to some extent.--218.221.135.13 13:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It is a list of records, meaning the fastest at the time. Records are broken in chronological order.  To put a slower speed at a later date does not make any sense for a list of records. Neier 13:25, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Title (books)
My question involves the conventions as to the words in the middle of book Titles. I did not find it there, where you sent me. Can you be more specific? We had the following problem:


 * The Jews and their lies vs. The Jews and Their Lies

Which is the proper Wikipedia style? --Ludvikus 02:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's the section you should read, from WP:CAPS:
 * In general, each word in titles of books, films, and other works take an initial capital, except for articles ("a", "an", "the"), the word "to", and prepositions and conjunctions shorter than five letters (e.g., "on", "from", "and", "with"), unless they begin the title. Examples: A New Kind of Science, Ghost in the Shell, To Be or Not to Be.


 * So, neither their nor lies is a preposition or a conjunction; so, the second option you listed is correct. Neier 02:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Reverting redirect Hoka Hoka Bento to Hokka Hokka Tei
I reverted your redirect edit, because they are different company. I've checked the website and AFAIK Hoka Hoka Bento is only a chain in Indonesia. Correct me if I'm wrong. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 11:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't notice the category on the original page; and, the description on the article sounded just like the Japanese company (probably where they got their name, too). When I clicked the website, all I got was a temporary screen with no real info.  Either way, it's fine with me.  Thanks for letting me know. Neier 11:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

King Kong Appears in Edo
Hey, good to have someone who can translate Japanese involved with this article, would you be able to translate a couple of titles from IMDb, so I could try and research them under their English titles? The first one is the "Henge no maki" part of Edo ni arawareta Kingu Kongu: Henge no maki, and the second is the "Ôgon no maki" in the sequel Edo ni arawareta Kingu Kongu: Ôgon no maki.

From the discussions so far at the AfD and the talk page, there are five or six reliable sources for King Kong Appears in Edo, but I can't find anything for this Ôgon no maki, so it's going to be more difficult to find any confirmation it exists. Pufnstuf 04:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The Japanese characters for those two are
 * 變化の巻 (Henge no maki)
 * 黄金の巻 (Ôgon no maki)


 * The "no maki" would mean "the volume of . . ." So, we're left with two words -- one with a meaning I know (Ōgon, means gold), and one with a meaning I can't peg down other than that it means some sort of change. (both characters 變 and 化 mean change; but, I can't find a dictionary which lists both together as a single word).  I also can't find anything which would pass as a WP:RS in Japanese which mentions either of those two sub-titles (all the good sources are referring to one 1938 movie as simply "King Kong", even without the Edo part).  Sorry that that's not necessarily the answer you wanted from me.  But, I'll counter a bit of bad news with a bit of good news.  Another source for the article is the Nara Prefecture web site which chronicles movies made by the studio: http://www.bunkajnara.pref.nara.jp/movie/movie_zenkatsu.html
 * Regards. Neier 06:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That's helpful to know, if only because I can discount those titles now. Great find regarding the studio, if the film company was called Zenkatsu, and not Zensho like the article says, that would explain why we couldn't find any other movies they made. Thanks for the help. Pufnstuf 23:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That link is not to the company's site; but, to a site run by the prefectural government where there are a series of pages about the film industry in Nara. But, that is at least pretty solid proof that the company (全勝キネマ) existed, and that they made a film in 1938 about giant apes.  Pronuciation of 勝 can be either sho or katsu.  I don't know which one would be correct.  Actually, zenshō is the way the word would normally be pronounced.  Although, for sites which present a romanization of the name, this one would probably rank pretty high in the reliability factor, as opposed to blogs and other sites which have tried to guess the name, just based on the kanji.  It seems that this site at least has some sort of record of the company. Neier 01:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Correct icon for nihongo.
Thanks for the ja icon tag info., instead of the jp icon redirect -Kain Nihil 01:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Wiki markup
Thank you for your "a better way" edit to 'Shitennō-ji' - I was hoping someone would come along and show me how to do it properly... and that's why I didn't categorize it as a 'minor edit'! Now, even though I know that that markup exists, I still can't find the documention for it. Can you help me out? --David Broadfoot 12:50, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm.. I just noticed that - should only be used when clear doesn't work, so I re-updated that page. Anyway, documentation on the clear template can be seen at Template:clear, and it is in Category:Formatting templates.  Glad to help. Neier 12:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! --David Broadfoot 12:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

3rr warning
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Dude
Dude look at the box art it says NiGHTS not Nights.--FrosticeBlade 03:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)