User talk:NeilN/Archive 32

Bernhard_Goetz
Talk:Bernhard_Goetz - Can you take a look and see if anything needs to be done or said? I don't want to get into an edit war over there. Felsic2 (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Replied here. --Neil N  talk to me 15:01, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Non-NPOV Editing in The Zeitgeist Movement Wiki
Hi, I'd like to report [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Earl_King_Jr. James Earl King Jr.'s] biased/non neutral editing on the Zeitgeist Movement page This editor makes negligent sweeping reverts of well sourced, matter of fact contributions, instead of careful good faith considerations. See example: wp:diff of his revert https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Zeitgeist_Movement&diff=727635646&oldid=726969643. The person shapes this page in an obvious bias, though I have to think they mean well and may just not see the disproportion of their editing. IntegrasRadiata (talk) 18:18, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Kingshowman socks
Hi, Neil! Today you blocked 63.143.206.232 as an obvious sock of Kingshowman. A few days ago you blocked 63.143.203.246 for block evasion with disruptive editing of the same type. In both cases, they were posting at Talk:Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2016 with long-winded expositions of negative material about Trump. In between those two blocks the (obviously) same user made a few similar edits to that page using 63.143.202.255, 63.143.203.202, 63.143.200.218, and 63.143.201.75. Do you think it's time to look for a rangeblock? Or since I participate in that page, should I just duck-block the person every time they come back? (I think I can do that despite being WP:INVOLVED, what do you think?) Pinging User:MrX because he was the one who recognized this sockmaster. --MelanieN (talk) 19:46, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * There may be too many IP addresses for a range block. I would like to recommend that we agressively delete any and all contributions of this user as soon as they appear, per WP:EVADE. Engaging in discussion with them tends to encourage more sockpuppetry, disruption, and blatant WP:BLP violations. I do think you should be able to duck block them as well. - MrX 19:58, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, or hat? I see that you hatted them all at the talk page (making it much more readable). Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 20:01, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Normally I delete them mercilessly, but in this case, I hatted them in deference to you and the others who had already responded to the sock. You're right though, I might as well have just taken a yellow highlighter to all of the socks comments. - MrX 20:09, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I think hatting was the right thing to do. Not only because we had responded, but because one other editor was planning to use some of their links in creating a section. --MelanieN (talk) 20:18, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * 63.143.200.0/21 is the range in question. I looked at the contribs since June 1 and maybe 50% of the non-sock edits aren't vandalism or disruptive (a lower percentage are actually useful). For now, I would just just duck-block. Socks don't get to involve anyone. --Neil N  talk to me 22:01, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. No point in bothering with the old ones, but as new ones come along I will shut them down. A few days seems to be long enough; either that's a very dynamic IP or else they are moving around a public library changing computers every few minutes. Wouldn't put it past them. --MelanieN (talk) 22:13, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Balochistan conflict
Hi Neil, I suppose you have noticed that there has been a slow edit-war going on at Balochistan conflict. Here is the story of the user who has been driving it. I have pinged you from the discussion. I would appreciate if you can tell him what to do. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:43, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

right of using File:Hovind(1).jpg
As it says in the wikimedia commons' explications, the picture added can be use because it's someone else's work with the author granted permission to copy it. It is actualy a picture from a 1999 videotape where the author explicitly mentionned that there is no copyright on his product. The tape is from the Creation science evangelism collection and is titled Creation/evolution debate; Genesis: History or Myth By Dr. Kent E Hovind (1999). So doesn't make it alright to edit this picture on Kent Hovind wiki page? 104.221.72.180 (talk) 01:36, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi 104. The file uploaded to Commons makes no such mention of this permission. Is this videotape recording on the web somewhere? Else, can you upload a digitized copy to Commons that includes the recorder's comments? --Neil N  talk to me 01:43, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

You can see at http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind at the 200th footnotes you can see that he says that he doesn't want any copyright on his product. Is this a sufficiant proof? Or I need to find another proof? Thank you. Freekenthovind (talk) 18:43, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi I am Diannaa, another admin on this wiki. I have looked at the Rational Wiki page, and we can't use that as proof of permission, because it's a wiki which anyone can edit. In fact I could go right now and edit that page to say whatever. What we need to do if possible is get an OTRS ticket on the file. There's instructions at WP:donating copyrighted materials and a sample permission email at WP:Consent. If you have any questions please let me know. — Diannaa (talk) 19:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I also looked at the link given in the screenshot on the Wayback Machine but couldn't find a version that released copyright. --Neil N  talk to me 19:19, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Seems like you missed a spot.
I am referring to this revision, to be specific. Blake Gripling (talk) 02:25, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Blake Gripling, thank you, done. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 02:31, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Blake Gripling (talk) 02:45, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Park Yoo-chun
Hi, NeilN,

First of all, I would like to say sorry to you for removing directly without reason description about the section "sexual assault allegations" under Park Yoochun on July 1. I am a new user for editing Wikipedia and I haven't noticed that here is a "talk" function to communicate and discuss with the original editor for the section. Please accept my apology.

Hereby I would like to communicate with you for the following two points regarding the article "Park Yoochun":

1) Since the allegation are still under investigation by South Korea police up to date and we are all waiting for the truth which will be announced by Police. Therefore, it seems to be a kind of sneer rather than a firmed introduction to put the following "quoted" description right in the first section the introduction of Park Yoochun. I would like to suggest that the following description under the first section introducing Park Yoochun can be removed.

quoted

In 2016, while in the middle of his two-year mandatory military service, Park became the subject of a string of sexual assault charges earning him the nickname "Korea's Bill Cosby".[1]

unquoted

2) Following point (1) mentioned above, according to the public information on the news we can read up to date, all the allegations has still been under investigated by the South Korean Police. From the basic human rights perspective, I would like to suggest that the title of the section "sexual assault allegations" under Park Yoochun can be changed to "Controversy - sexual assault allegation " instead of "sexual assault allegation". I have no further suggestion on other detailed description under the section since they are all from news whether TV or newspaper or internet, people can read the news sources clearly.

Thanks a lot for your attention on my suggestions listed above and looking forward to see the modification soon. Hope this kind of discussion can make Wikipedia continuing being a free and good platform for truth and knowledge sharing.

Regards,

Leeyinggao

July 2, 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leeyinggao (talk • contribs) 06:41, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . You'll need to make these points on the article's talk page so others interested in the article can weigh in and work towards consensus. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 14:26, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Ruth Smeeth page
On the dispute on editing the Ruth Smeeth page, the facts are as follows. Ruth Smeeth has put out a statement on her website stating that a speaker at an event had accused her of being part of a "media conspiracy" and that this constituted an anti-semitic trope. Smeeth placed those words in inverted commas in her statement and this is widely understood to represent a direct quote. Video footage of the event shows, clearly, that the speaker, Marc Wadsworth, did not utter those words,or even either one of those words. That video footage is available on the website of The Independent newspaper, in an article entitled "Labour activist who berated MP Ruth Smeeth says he did not know she was Jewish and denies Momentum links". This article is included as cited source 6 in the Ruth Smeeth page, which is a point made by an editor other than myself. While the article does not specifically say that Smeeth's statement was factully incorrect, it is clear from watching the video of the event, which is included on the article page, that he said no such thing. That is a perfectly valid source for my edit which says that Ruth Smeeth's statement was factually inaccurate. Subsequent to my editing the article to say that, my edit was almost immediately reverted by the user This is Paul, on the grounds that I had not cited a proper source. I had initially cited an article on the blog of the senior British diplomat and former amabassador, Craig Murray. Murray's article includes a link to the video on The Independent as well as direct quote from Ruth Smeeth's statement and compares the two. He draws the explicit conclusion that Smeeth's statement was factually inaccurate. This is Paul objected that Murray's blog was not a valid source and suggested that I use more "credible" sources such as mainstream media, providing a list of what he considered to be "credible" sources, including The Independent. I subsequently removed the link to Muray's article and linked solely to The Independent article that included the original video footage of the event. That can be viewed here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-activist-who-berated-mp-ruth-smeeth-says-he-did-not-know-she-was-jewish-and-denies-momentum-a7111366.html

I also edited my contribution to read " Video footage of the event, however, shows that Smeeth's statement was factually inaccurate as the speaker, Marc Wadsworth, did not use the term "media conspiracy" or either of those two words individually." This makes explicit that my source is the video footage of the event itself, rather than the opnion of the journalist in the article. My source is entirely within the standards required for a Wikipedia edit and it also clearly supports my contribution that Ruth Smeeth's statement was factually inaccurate. This is Paul has repeatedly reverted my edit, offering a variety of changing reasons why he has done so. Initially, he claimed that my source was not reliable and, ultimately, in our discussion on this article on the Admin noticeboard he states "FWIW I personally don't believe she is directly quoting Wadsworth, but is instead using the quotes to define the term, which is something slightly different." He is now basing his reversions of my edit on his personal belief of what Smeeth meant, rather than the facts that I have cited and backed-up from a higly-creadible source. He is not editing from a Neutral Point of View and my edit should be allowed to stand.

The debated issue in this article involves a politician at the heart of a high-profile controversy and there are clearly people interested in guiding this narrative. The involvement of the user Philip_Cross in making the exact reversions to my edit that This is Paul did withim minutes of my having put the information back into the article also suggest that the removal of my edit is not being done from a neutral editor. Philip_Cross's activiities on Wikipedia were flagged in the March 2016 issue of Wikipedia Signpost; please see the March issue of Signpost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-03-16/In_the_media. He took over the job of reverting my edits after I flagged the matter of This is Paul's constant reversions on the Admins' noticeboard. To reiterate, these reversions are not being done from a Neutral Point of View and my edit should be allowed to stand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.139.7.160 (talk) 07:58, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Replied here. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 14:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Editor moving Istanbul pages to Constantinople pages
Hi, Neil. Kousch? (apparently the same as 87.154.181.213 and Taschlarabus) has recently been moving and renaming pages with Istanbul as subject to Constantinople, such as Istanbul_observatory_of_Taqi_ad-Din to Constantinople_observatory_of_Taqi_ad-Din. I have no experience in undoing page moves, can you perhaps have a look at this or suggest a solution? Thanks. AstroLynx (talk) 16:13, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * AstroLynx, I've moved that one back. Any others you feel should be moved back that haven't been yet? --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your quick response. The other unjustified page move (1894 Istanbul earthquake) was already taken care of by someone else. AstroLynx (talk) 16:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Question on Low Fantasy page
Hey NeilN,

I notice you're pretty active at the vandalism and page protection boards, so I thought I would ask for your advice here.

An IP editor keeps adding a link or reference to a personal webpage to the entry on Low Fantasy. It's clearly nothing more than a pet-project, and it's not discussed in any outside source, but it seems like it might fall under the "Lack of understanding of the purpose of Wikipedia" from WP:VANDNOT.

Still, they're using multiple IP addresses (maybe accidentally) and they haven't been responsive to my repeatedly requesting that they take the discussion to talk or familiarize themselves with the purposes of Wikipedia.

So, my question is: would this be something that is reasonably interpreted as vandalism, or would it be better to request page protection, or is it more of a AN/I issue? Thanks for your time. Nblund (talk) 16:35, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Nblund. I remember seeing this at RFPP - it was declined by another admin but I see there's been more activity since then. It's not vandalism so here's what I would do: State clearly on the talk page why the source does not meet our reliable source guideline. Not being notable does not mean not reliable. "A personal webpage... It's clearly nothing more than a pet-project, and it's not discussed in any outside source." is more on point. Then make your revert, pointing to the discussion on the talk page. If the reverts continue, make a request at RFPP, pointing out that IPs are reverting without joining the existing discussion. Many admins including myself will protect to force discussion. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:52, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey Neil, thanks for the input and I will give that a shot. Nblund (talk) 16:57, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi protect request
Could Luol Deng please be semi-protected. He's involved in a reported sports transaction and a lot of anons are making premature, poorly sourced edits. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 16:38, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * DaHuzyBru, two days. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:41, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

I have another request, please Neil – could Al Horford please be semi'd on the same grounds as above. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 07:48, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 11:43, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Andrew Bogut as well please. DaHuzyBru (talk) 19:06, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * DaHuzyBru, done. Wouldn't it be wonderful if all sports teams had to announce their trades/signings via one central website? Dream, dream, dream. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:30, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, if only! Would make monitoring Wikipedia so much easier. DaHuzyBru (talk) 19:31, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd like to request page protection on my user page. It appears to be a hot topic right now, with three vandals in three days. DaHuzyBru (talk) 19:56, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * DaHuzyBru, I've semi-protected indefinitely which is the usual way to go. If you want it lifted at any time, just ask any admin or put in a request at RFPP. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 20:02, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Kent Hovind
NeilN why did you change kent hovind page? What you say is not neutrol you accuse him of taxe evasion, but IRS admits their wrongdoing about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freekenthovind (talk • contribs) 19:42, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Freekenthovind, incorrect. Hovind was acquitted on one new criminal contempt charge. He was convicted and served time for many other charges. And "conviction = Bible believer" borders on outright vandalism. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:49, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Creating a page that is protected pre-emptively
Hi,

I am e-mailing regarding creating a Wikipedia page. Our organisation, a multi-award winning charity, works on sensitive issues such as Violence against Women and Girls (VAWG)and Counter-terrorism and therefore requires pre-emptive page protection rather than create a page and then request page protection.

I have been informed that the official position of Wikipedia is that you never do preemptive protection. However, I was also told that there have been some rare circumstances where it has been done. I was told by the Wikipedia information team that we don't quite fit those circumstances but rather than simply turn us down they pointed us to the place where protection is requested.

I was also told by the Wikipedia information team that as a technical matter they don't think there is a way to create protection ab initio. However, if one of your editors with expertise in protection policy is sympathetic to our request, we can coordinate with them and ensure that the protection is added within minutes of the initial creation.

Kind regards,

JAN Trust — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.23.30.202 (talk) 18:15, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Reply to 8623.30.202: This request was already made, and refused, at User talk:Ritchie333. I also posted at your talk page, explaining in detail why this is not going to happen, and explaining that "protection" does not mean what you think it means. Please stop shopping this request around Wikipedia and listen to what you have already been told. --MelanieN (talk) 18:35, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia alert you each time someone makes edits to your page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.23.30.202 (talk) 18:38, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * First off, it's really not a good idea to use the term "your/my page" as it gets other editors' hackles up. See WP:OWN for why. To answer your question, once you get an account, you can check "Email me when a page or a file on my watchlist is changed" in your user preferences. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:26, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Question
Do you have a link to specific policy or guideline to say that a consensus close should not by made on a RfC that is withdrawn? This seems to be a grey area.

I would like to point out that Marteau has purposefully highjacked the RfC process. When I started discussing posting a RfC, he immediately posted a RfC to present a biased question. He then withdrew it when it appeared to go in a direction he did not like. I would just like it to be closed properly, to reflect the consensus of the people who have commented there. I'll be glad if you write the close. If not, please give advice on how to go forward to resolve this issue. Thanks, --LK (talk) 14:25, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * LK, that RFC ran for less than seven days and discussion was still ongoing when it was withdrawn. Consensus was still forming. Moreover, you expressed an opinion during the RFC and therefore are not uninvolved. I agree what Marteau did was very uncollegial but it looks like they have the right to do that. Posting an analysis of the discussion outside the RFC was the right thing to do and a nice move on your part. Suggest you wait a bit for further comments. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 14:38, 4 July 2016 (UTC)


 * There is no need to assert consensus within the closed RfC. Simply assert consensus outside of the RfC, on the talk page. You can even cite it as foundation for your assertion, just leave the closed RfC alone, mmmkay?  In addition, as an involved editor, it is not your prerogative to assert consensus within that RfC.  Furthermore, it was not my intent to 'hijack' anything... I genuinely felt that at the time, the result would be to maintain the status quo, and that nothing further would be gained by continuing it...however, I can see how it would appear that I had malicious motives; I assure you that is not the case.  However, since I have seen the reaction to my action (attempts to silence me, to censor my statements, to prematurely archive it... to go to extremes to remove my statement for no other reason than WP:IDONTLIKEIT) I have to admit I have my proverbial dander up about this entire situation and I will continue to apply policy and guidelines as necessary to protect my privilege to post my views on the talk page and to have them remain. Marteau (talk) 14:41, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Sometimes you have to look back on all the hours spent here, and all the stress that comes with your unpaid volunteer job, and marvel and just laugh. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 04:04, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Amen to that. :D  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 04:07, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

AN3
Could you please look at this? -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 04:32, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. Please, please, be significantly more cautious about relying on that 3RR exemption. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 04:54, 5 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I will. I honestly thought I was doing it right by going to RPP and so on.  Next time, BLP noticeboard, and the other suggestions you gave.  Appreciate your help and advice. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">WV ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  05:01, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Blocking IP
Hey do you remember when you blocked that guy for being a sock puppet? Did you block his IP? I am concerned that he may try to create new accounts to vandalize Wikipedia. TheUSConservative (talk) 06:40, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You're going to have to be more specific as I block a lot of sock puppets. Got a link? --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 11:52, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Here is the link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rebutcopernicus Can you also investigate an IP address that edited sports authority before I reverted it? They almost clearly vandalized the page by naming things such as the "chief hamburger officer". Thanks, TheUSConservative (talk) 05:29, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Iao Intermediate School
Thank you, Am I able to recreate again the Article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kazaro (talk • contribs) 08:48, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Kazaro, if you can do it without committing copyright violations, yes. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 11:56, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

IP block
I think this IP needs a timeout. They have not heeded to warnings on their talk page and they persist with adding premature information into articles despite many reverts from not just myself. DaHuzyBru (talk) 19:31, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Two day timeout. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:38, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar

 * Hey thanks, 2601. Doing recent changes patrol as an IP is doubly thankless so I'm really glad you've stuck with us. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 00:34, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

IP block
Could this IP please be given a timeout. I have a suspicion they are the same person as this and this. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 16:16, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

My Love from the Star (Philippine TV series)
Hi User:NeilN I'd like you to review the article that I created for My Love from the Star TV series, because it's hard to find on the search bar. Kazaro (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:47, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It takes a while for newly created articles to appear in the search bar. Meanwhile, I've added a hatnote here. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 20:02, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Wheel
I had a change of heart! :( Trustworthybastile (talk) 00:35, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * And now a change of editing privileges. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 02:11, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

IP Timeout?
I was wondering if you could have a look at IP User:120.155.99.102. They have made so many disruptive edits there are to many to list. Removal of  from names as just as example. I have issued a warning to them. Just wondering if you could take a look and see what you think. Chris &#34;WarMachineWildThing&#34; (talk) 06:30, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Chris &#34;WarMachineWildThing&#34;, left a message here. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 13:24, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Got it, Thanks Chris &#34;WarMachineWildThing&#34; (talk) 15:42, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

WP:PERM
Glad to see you back at PERM! Another development since you were gone: User:MusikAnimal/userRightsManager.js. It (1) asks for optional closing remarks (2) assigns the permission, including a permalink to the discussion in the rights change summary and (3) issues the user talk page template – all in under 2 seconds. To get it to work just add the script and click on "Assign permissions" on any PERM page as you normally would. If you don't want to use the script in a particular instance, right-click the "Assign permissions" link and select "open in a new tab". Hope this helps! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:15, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey, that's awesome! Thanks! --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:21, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

12 Years a Slave
Why? Why is it so difficult just to remove one "See also" section link? Why do I even need to discuss why I think we should remove that one little link, let alone request a RfC? I am tired of people reverting my edits and say "we need to wait until consensus is reached", when said debate, which I started by the way, had been laying dormant for months, and I had to reignite it last week, and it's already going cold. 2600:8800:5100:38E:44D9:1CDF:82A1:80D6 (talk) 17:02, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Because, as I said elsewhere, other editors disagree with the removal. How would you react if they said, "Why? Why is it so difficult just to keep one "See also" section link? Why do I even need to discuss why I think we should keep that one little link, let alone request a RfC?"? Holding a RFC will result in a debate that will have a proper discussion and resolution. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:07, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Monitoring your page, when I saw the section heading I thought it had to do with your Wikipedia service. {:>{)>  Just kidding.  Cheers.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 17:11, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Felix Cat-Haha.svg --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:16, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Really? I got an edit conflict for this?
 * I'm sorry, but the last time I tried something like that (I'm not sure if it was a RFC), it went fucking nowhere, it ended without me, and I can't even find what happened at the end. I apologize that I'm a little bit hesitant to start something like that all over again.
 * Also, if you requesting me to file a RFC, is it too much to ask for you to show me how I can file an RFC? 2600:8800:5100:38E:44D9:1CDF:82A1:80D6 (talk) 17:25, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I will file an RFC for you. It must be worded neutrally. What about "Should the White savior narrative in film wikilink in the See also section be removed?" You can add your justification after the RFC is opened. Otherwise, Requests_for_comment --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:31, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am fine with that. This better actually go somewhere, though. 2600:8800:5100:38E:44D9:1CDF:82A1:80D6 (talk) 17:41, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It might not go where you hope, though. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:45, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello N. Thanks for starting the RFC. As you mentioned the need for "neutral wording" the IP should also be aware that this edit vioilates WP:CANVASS. Cheers and have a delightful weekend. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:25, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * P.S. It is a real treat to see Felix the Cat again :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:25, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

WP:BLP foolishness
Kindly look at revision 728949584 on Mark Grisanti from IP user 98.... 16 at 12:54 U.S. Pacific time today, and see if a magic wand of some administrative sort warrants being unholstered and waved over it. (I haven't troubled myself yet with taking out the comparably inoffensive cruft.) Merci beaucoup! -  Julietdeltalima   (talk)  20:03, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Revdelled. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 20:08, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Advert Brad Wardell
With all due respect, the article reads like...well...an advertisement.

"Wardell believes that 'nice guys finish first,' and that customers are 'part of the team.'"

I'm not sure it needs more explaining. Timothy Joseph Wood 01:33, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Quoting a few of his platitudes doesn't make the article an ad. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 01:37, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry man, but the whole thing reads like a sponsored bio for the guy. There's tons of POV, and a lot of it is unsourced or self sourced:
 * Wardell is regularly interviewed by game industry magazine Gamasutra. (unsourced)
 * Wardell takes an open approach to game development(self-sourced)
 * a site specializing in the distribution of skins and themes for computer software.(unsourced)
 * I mean sorry, but it is an extended personal add in its current state. Timothy Joseph Wood  01:43, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you concerned about the wording or the sourcing? --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 01:45, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Both. Half the sources are either blogs (mostly his) or things written by him. I'm also concerned about the POV that comes from that. It reads like an extended sponsored bio. I would prefer TNT but I settled for an ADVERT header. Timothy Joseph Wood  01:47, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Well there's a large difference. I have no objection to the above text being included in the article if sourced properly. I would support a too many primary references tag. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 01:53, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I disagree, but I will agree until more cleanup can be done. I will add. Timothy Joseph Wood  02:03, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Given he phrasing, there is almost certainly some COI editing involved, which is an entirely separate issue. Random editors don't make articles like this. Timothy Joseph Wood  01:51, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure they do. Go look at some edits we get for teenage pop stars. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 01:53, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm at least adding the POV template. Tried a bit of cleanup but this is going to take hours to make neutral. If it makes any difference, I have no idea who this guy is. Timothy Joseph Wood 03:08, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Let's take this to the talk page. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 03:27, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Probably best. It's late here. Will rejoin in the morning. All the best. Timothy Joseph Wood  03:45, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I have done some stuff. Edit history should make it obvious. Most blatant use of controversies section to smear that I have seen for a long time though. Only in death does duty end (talk) 09:05, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected date on FIFA Ballon d'Or
Hello, I saw that you placed FIFA Ballon d'Or under semi-protected status until July 9. Knowing the controversy between the two leading footballers who have won this award, I feel that the protection of this page be extended. Too many users will start changing information just like the IP user did a while ago. De88 (talk) 06:18, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * July 9, 2017 :-) --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 06:20, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Hahahaha, I completely missed that! Apologies, my bad! *face palm* De88 (talk) 06:28, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Kelli Ward
Thank you for your help on the Kelli Ward page. I have not heard from the other editor. If I do not hear/ we can not resolve anything, what would be the next step? Tsudeck (talk) 20:57, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I would post to WP:BLPN to get other opinions. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 04:57, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

TheLongTone
He's just nominated Murder of Kylie Maybury for deletion. You know, that murder case that's been mentioned in books, had an extensive 30th anniversary article in the press and has had recurring publicity for the last 32 years. One of his acolytes, if not him himself under a sock, didn't take defeat in the Riley Ann Sawyers AfD too well and sent me a transphobic email (I'm a trans man).

this diff - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_murdered_American_children&diff=prev&oldid=729033555 - indicates he has a personal grudge against "Murder of..." articles.

Speedy close of the Kylie Maybury AfD as it is clearly motivated by an emotional grudge and maliciousness?

Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 16:23, 10 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Please don't admin-shop, Paul Benjamin Austin. If you'd like several admins to look at this, ANI would be appropriate. Bishonen &#124; talk 18:21, 10 July 2016 (UTC).
 * Sorry i didnt realise i was shopping. I just feel action is urgent. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 18:25, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Paul Benjamin Austin, I've closed the discussion per WP:SNOW. Editor behavior issues should go to WP:ANI if you feel future disruption is going to occur. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:03, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

IP hopper on JNU pages
Hi Neil, In my sandbox, I have listed the activity of an IP hopper, who keeps attacking the JNU sedition controversy-related pages and is generally abusive to other editors. He/she had a 72-hour block (for whatever it is worth), but I think more is needed. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:57, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Kautilya3, after reviewing the edits and looking at the revdelled material, I believe the person behind these edits should be blocked indefinitely. Accordingly, I have blocked the 2602:30a:c7d7:e590::/64 range for one month. Should disruption from that range resume after the block expires, a longer block should be put in place. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 13:18, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

White privilege
I will give you a shot, then. Please tell me having a poor, unemployed custodial parent makes me "privileged." 2601:192:4201:B40:DC3C:EDA9:DDEC:6EA (talk) 13:58, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't care. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and discussion is focused on articles. If you want to discus your particular point of view please do that somewhere like reddit. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 14:01, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

What if said article literally should not exist? 2601:192:4201:B40:DC3C:EDA9:DDEC:6EA (talk) 14:14, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If you genuinely have a policy arguement that the page should not exist (which, honestly, I doubt you do), you can read the deletion policy and follow the instructions there -- samtar talk or stalk 14:19, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Labour Party (UK) leadership crisis, 2016
Currently you are the admin enforcing the move-protection on Labour Party (UK) leadership crisis, 2016 until the 4th of August. As a formal leadership election has now been declared I was wondering if you could move the page to Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2016. It would probably be a good idea to keep the page move-protected as I'm sure some users will keep on attempting to rename the article to include the NPOV term coup. Ebonelm (talk) 16:26, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Ebonelm. I'm looking at the most recent discussion started today and consensus hasn't formed yet. You may want to open a requested move discussion or get a stronger consensus in the existing discussion. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi. Is this enough demonstration of consensus: Talk:Labour_Party_(UK)_leadership_crisis,_2016? Bondegezou (talk) 16:01, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

ELP
another ELP link bandit. Mlpearc ( open channel ) 20:44, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Blocked. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 22:47, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanx,   Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 22:50, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Mentioned on ANI
I mentioned you and a topic related to you in an ANI that can be found here. Thank you.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 00:07, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

help desk
thanks for answering my questions at the help desk...these are genuine questions that have nothing to do with that admin..and I have no idea how they can be construed how he is construing them...and that other editor who closed it and put that nasty closing note already doesn't like me either from past interactions...68.48.241.158 (talk) 14:33, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 14:36, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of content
Greetings! I sought you out to-day to ask a question concerning the page that you recently protected. While I do appreciate the protection of the Seeberville Murders, I would also like to know why a veteran, and better yet, an administrator of the English-speaking Wikipedia, would delete credible and fully-sourced content of a page. As an amateur and aspiring historian, I have undertaken studying the Copper Country Strike of 1913-1914 and the events that accompanied it for a good three and a half years now. I have collected various plausible sources by authors such as Lyndon Comstock, Steven Lehto, Arthur W. Thurner, Larry Lankton, Allison Hoagland and P. Germain, and have extracted evidence for the sequence of events from a plethora of historical records. A response to this post would be greatly appreciated within the next twenty-four hours. Kiitos! The Copper Miner (talk) 19:09, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The Copper Miner, I reverted to the last stable version of the article before fully protecting it. I have no opinion on the content. Talk:Seeberville Murders is still empty. You should be making these points there so those editors who are interested in the article content can comment. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:43, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

If that is the attitude that you are going to adopt about such matters then I am afraid I might just resign as an editor of Wikipedia. I simply will not tolerate having credibly-sourced content removed after hours of strenuous effort. Good day. The Copper Miner (talk) 19:47, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The Copper Miner, first, your changes are in article history and can be easily retrieved. Second, as I took admin action on the article, I cannot weigh in on whose version is "best". Please see WP:INVOLVED. I urge you to start a discussion on the article's talk page. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:53, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Robert HP Young Early Achievements
I am a novice user, literally my first edit. You have said I included original research. For the Biathle championships this is definitely not the case, I included the full results, which show him finishing last. On the selection criteria of sending 6, that is and was the policy but obviously no online record of the 2003 policy is available. I spoke to the 2003 Team Manager to understand their selection policy and was told that if only 4 went that that was because only 4 wanted to go and that a Junior Age group this was not unusual. How do I get that included? On the Duathlon side I included the seasons rankings. Was the issue here that I had not linked to Mr Young claiming to have finished 4th in these championships to qualify for the team? Please let me know what else I need to provide to get this important context included on the page as at present the uninformed reader may believe that getting onto these teams was a major achievement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Woodywing (talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You need to stick to facts and analysis appearing in reliable sources and omit commentary like "when there were not enough Junior Men to fill the full 6 berths available" and "There are no such championships listed on the British Triathlon website and his only ranking performance that year was 7th in a field of 8 placing him 18th out of 23 competitors in his age group in the UK that year." Things like this should only be added when a reliable source points them out. Also, any conversations you have is original research and content based on those conversations cannot appear in the article. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 14:21, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Is my recent update OK in this regard? I realize it includes a Facebook source, but it is a verified account belonging to the subject of this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Woodywing (talk • contribs) 14:40, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Woodywing, the Facebook sourced sentence is grammatically incorrect. You should also use "stated" instead of "claimed". Facebook is a self published source - please click the link to see what we can use it for. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 14:55, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Question
I posted this in the thread on that admin's talkpage who closed that ANI, genuinely curious:

"..what I don't understand is why someone like NeilN doesn't just block BMK for "disruptive editing" if/when you think it's warranted...it's perfectly allowable for you to do so as an admin...blocks are the only thing that will affect him..the ANI process is pointless and nothing an admin even needs to justify such an action..."

you complain about the ANI result but you could have/can just go ahead and block BMK whenever you want unilaterally for disruptive editing (so long as you think it's warranted in good-faith)..68.48.241.158 (talk) 00:38, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * One of the rules I have, and I think it's one every admin should follow, is "don't surprise the community". Suddenly blocking a long-standing editor with tens of thousands of productive edits with no warning would constitute a large surprise. There's lots of things admins can do. The number of things admins should do is substantially lower. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 00:46, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * totally reasonable and makes sense but in this particular case if he got goofy again real soon I don't think you blocking him would constitute "suddenly" or "no warning" or a "surprise"...in other words, I wouldn't think another long ANI thread should be relied upon by you; just block......just a thought..68.48.241.158 (talk) 00:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

RevDel request
-Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 01:50, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. Edit summary wiped. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 01:53, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 02:04, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Help
I need a help in regards to a concern that I highlight in the sock puppet investigation: see here. AcidSnow (talk) 02:01, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * you are one sick individual or let me say FAQASH and your sickness is called Somaliland i have seen you in the last week revert me for no good reason, and i tried not to get in edit wars with you but to accuse me twice in one week that is more then harassment and i don't know why the other editors leave you do that you really think you can booly me or harass me without any consequences think twice .Bysomalilander (talk) 02:17, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Please don't resort to insults and follow WP:NOPERSONALATTACKS. AcidSnow (talk) 02:26, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Bysomalilander, you getting a barnstar from a sockpuppet and reverting to some of their edits can be seen as odd. Blocking_policy may be worth a read. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 02:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * <b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> i don't believe in reverting and i try my best to limit it you can see my page but to go on a crusade about every thing involving Somaliland and try to mix it with Somalia i cant just sit and watch and no one seems want to talk. got the link and read it thanks Bysomalilander (talk) 15:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Theresa May
A statement has just confirmed that she is Prime Minister. I request that you update the article to reflect this and unlock it. -- Hazhk (talk) 16:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It already says that. It was locked on the correct version. Nice and early. <sub style="color:green;>Muffled <sup style="color:red;">Pocketed  16:53, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hazhk, please post this to the article's talk page and I'll comment. The edit warring on that article was atrocious. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:55, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I have unprotected the article as she has been officially confirmed as PM and so the reason for the edit warring no longer exists. Thryduulf (talk) 16:58, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

For hevean's sake, it's official
May is officially PM. Please unprotect Theresa May. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/13/theresa-may-becomes-britains-prime-minister Electoralist (talk) 16:53, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

And please, in future, don't protect a page because of an idiot uniformed pedant. Electoralist (talk) 16:53, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * What uniform was he wearing? <sub style="color:green;>Muffled <sup style="color:red;">Pocketed  17:22, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Electoralist, in future, convince your fellow editors not to madly revert each other (and refrain from personal attacks). --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:02, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Some people are stubbornly uninformed as in the case of the individual who was reverting news of an event that had occurred. You acted presumptiously by swooping in and locking the article because of someone who was making ridiculous assertions (eg that the picture of May kneeling before the Queen was "suspect"). You should have taken a few minutes to actually assess the situation. Electoralist (talk) 17:05, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Multiple people were edit warring on both sides. I'm quite comfortable with my decision to protect for one hour when I did. I also fully support Thryduulf's decision to unprotect when they did. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:10, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note that the Guardian article stating that May had become the PM was posted at 17:40 (British time)- five minutes *before* you protected the page. Electoralist (talk) 17:14, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * What does it matter? There was disruption and now it's over. Time to move on. clpo13(talk) 17:15, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, aside from freezing the article in an incorrect state, I think it's important that admins do the extra work when there's a heavily watched article to make sure they're doing the right thing (or at least locking the article with the correct info) rather than just swoop in deus ex machina. It would have taken an extra 30 seconds for Neil to check a news website to confirm that the event that had been reverted had, in fact, happened. Electoralist (talk) 17:18, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * At the very least, given that May was at the palace, a one hour freeze was too long. Electoralist (talk) 17:20, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The question is, why didn't you include the source instead of just reverting? --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:21, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I was about to - but the article was locked so I couldn't Electoralist (talk) 17:37, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Then if this kind of situation happens again, I suggest you include the link in your edit summary. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:40, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

All things being equal, this was a good lockdown; the passions that ran so high over this would justify continuing the full-protection for twenty-four hours. <sub style="color:green;>Muffled <sup style="color:red;">Pocketed  17:42, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy
You did some revdeling here regarding a recent notice board post by myself. FIM did one additional reversion of copyvio after you had finished. Probably needs revdel as well. Timothy Joseph Wood 17:23, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * That means this version and everything after would have to be revdelled. Not sure it's worth it., what would you do? --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:36, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I would do it; it's not that extreme. — Diannaa (talk) 19:15, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks . Revdelled. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:42, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Actually one more thing
There is actually one more thing you can do for me. Give me a 5% raise. You were right that I'm not paid enough for this. 105% of $0 is still $0  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 18:53, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I will give you a 10%  raise! --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:44, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm speechless! Your generosity knows no bounds! How ever can I thank you!?  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 19:54, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

User:B767-500
This account, seems to be another sock back from the previous one that you recently blocked. However, this, may also be them logged out too. Thanks! 172.58.40.28 (talk) 02:16, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The registered account is probably someone's sock and combining that with their username and edits has gotten them an indef block. The IP, I agree, is a sock of the named account and has been temporarily blocked. Thanks for reporting. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 02:27, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Notability assessment
Hi, you just added this to my user page:


 * [[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Your recent edit appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person or organization added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you.  <b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 02:30, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Before reading the text of that template, how is one supposed to know that the guidelines for lists of persons also apply to organizations? (or double-check a claimed rule infringement)

But OK then. Given what you can already read and check from what I have written in various other discussions, can you please now confirm for me that "the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline"?

Thanks, VonBlinkendenzwoelf (talk) 03:04, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to the sources at the top of User_talk:Drchriswilliams then no. These are all directory listings. From WP:CORP: "A company, corporation, organization, school, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources." See also WP:CORPDEPTH. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 14:30, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the citation above. It points out that Wikipedia has a different definition of "notability" than the common-sense definition. In other words, common sense says that something is notable if enough people know and care about it. The wikipedian definition is that something is notable if enough people have published  reliable   secondary sources   and at this point it should appear obvious that this policy is likely to cause biases and hurt coverage, especially when that policy is taken to the letter by patrollers. That is, at any given time, subjects that are actually notable will end up rejected because they did not attract enough interest from the specific kind of people that are authors of wikipedia-policy-compliant sources. Such sources may not yet exist, and if they exist they are likely to be way harder to find, and way less accessible (different language, offline, paywall etc).


 * Which brings me to WP:NRV: "Editors evaluating notability should consider not only any sources currently named in an article, but also the possibility or existence of notability-indicating sources that are not currently named in the article." Which is exactly what my original complaint was about. Reverters are editors, and when considering cancelling the work of other editors (assuming good faith) I believe they should proceed with due diligence.


 * But enough lawyering. Could you please check refs 1 and 2 on the page User:VonBlinkendenzwoelf/wip-ccm/Lists and tell me if they are enough to pass the wikipedian notability test? For Compart which is clearly worth mentioning either I will have to find something else, as both firms managed to miss them (or maybe Compart did not want to pay).


 * Cheers, VonBlinkendenzwoelf (talk) 20:44, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * VonBlinkendenzwoelf, on the face of it Gartner/Forrester coverage indicates notability. I cannot evaluate the details as both sources are behind paywalls. However, if the firms paid for coverage, then that's a different story. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 20:59, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Having read them I think both reports are reasonably fair (balanced, actual research, good coverage), though none of the firms will disclose if participants paid or not. You can request a free download through the website of GMC. In my opinion this is not much worse than with other types of publications or credit rating agencies, where conflicts of interest are common and undernoticed. -- VonBlinkendenzwoelf (talk) 21:24, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

IP Vandalizing
User_talk:2A02:C7D:B7D0:1100:784C:BD4E:EFDF:BAEE continues to vandalize articles on wiki, there are to many to list and most have been done in the span of a few hrs today. They have been warned but are continuing to vandalize the same articles. Was wondering if you would take a look at thier contributions as well and maybe give them a time out. Chris &#34;WarMachineWildThing&#34; (talk) 21:20, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Blocked and one article protected. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 21:30, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, You sir are the man........... Just caught another IP Special:Contributions/86.27.66.211 vandalizing User:LM2000's page, I did get them reverted but I have a feeling with what was posted it will be back Chris &#34;WarMachineWildThing&#34; (talk) 21:36, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Personal attack
So how do I go about dealing with an editor who is making personal attacks?? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_WWE_United_States_Champions&diff=729935503&oldid=729934898 Chris &#34;WarMachineWildThing&#34; (talk) 16:20, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I warned the editor. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:26, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

OK,wasnt sure if I could warn in that instance or not. Chris &#34;WarMachineWildThing&#34; (talk) 16:29, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:35, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Since you're somewhat involved at this point, this may be of interest to you Administrators noticeboard/Incidents.LM2000 (talk) 17:32, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/12.17.169.154
Hi again Neil,

Just a quick heads up that this IP has gone back to editing again after your previous block. I really can't tell whether it's the same person or not, but...


 * a). They resumed editing right after the blocking period...
 * b). Their edits are vandalism anyhow...

Thanks! 172.56.42.7 (talk) 18:49, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It's probably a different editor so they get a new set of warnings. I'll keep an eye on them. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 18:58, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Copyright violations
This version restored by Tripwire is full of copyvios, please restore to this, which is copyvio free. I mentioned this issue on the talk page but FPaS decided to revert my warning and leave the copyvios in the article. 217.146.29.69 (talk) 21:24, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The copyvios have been fixed by . You can hop to your next IP address. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 00:08, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * No, they were fixed by me, FPaS restored the edit last night, but he missed this bit "There is alleged link of BSO Azad with India coordinating targeted attacks against Baluchistan strategic assets and general Baloch population" Apart from the alleged, that was also copy pasted from the original source, cheers .2A00:11C0:9:794:0:0:0:3 (talk) 06:51, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Protecting pages from specific users/ip ranges
Looks like it was definitely thought of at some point, as the database schema supports it :) &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  23:41, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello Again
Hello again! There is currently a slow burning edit war on the Somaliland article. It is caused by various ips and recently created accounts. Do you mind protecting the page? AcidSnow (talk) 01:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Semied two weeks. Autoconfirmed editors have used the talk page, others have not. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 01:46, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I greatly appreciate this! AcidSnow (talk) 01:55, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

500/30 Arab-Israeli protection
Hi Neil, thought I might mention that there's a protection reason specifically for extended confirmed protections under the 500/30 Arab-Israeli decision. It's the one below the normal AE option. Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:21, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Callanecc. I can't quite work out what tool/action/edit you're referring to. Can you please expand? --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 8:17 am, Today (UTC−4)


 * When you extend(ed) confirmed protect a page under the ArbCom Arab-Israeli 500/30 decision there is a specific protection reason in the dropdown box below the standard Arbitration enforcement. Compare this reason with this one. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:12, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought you were referring to. Are you/they using Twinkle? All I see under Tagging options is : Arbitration enforcement . Then it's the "Pending changes templates" header. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 13:21, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * No I'm referring to the MediaWiki protection interface. The Arab-Israeli option isn't in Twinkle. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:48, 16 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Separately to the above question did you intend to pick Arbitration Enforcement for these three pages? As far as I can tell it isn't enforcing an arbitration remedy (1 2 3)? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:19, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The hyperlink I added explains the 30/500 protection. Do you suggest I reprotect solely adding that hyperlink as the reason? --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 13:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter that much, just something to consider in the future. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:48, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * , yes, in the future I intend to just add a link for these kind of community approved protects. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 13:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Carles Puyol Spanish/Catalan
Hi Neil, you says:

"Your recent editing history at Carles Puyol shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war"

This is precisely the problem, I have written repeatedly in the article talk page (Catalan/Spanish paragraph) providing numerous arguments and samples of consensus in other articles on this topic. Are those who have made reversals those who have not written or discussed ANYTHING in the article talk page. Now you have done the same and has protected the page with the version of which have reversed without reason or discussion.

How is possible that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.19.144.48 (talk)
 * See WP:WRONGVERSION. The reverts were done providing a reason, but I agree, without discussion. I will post a note on the talk page encouraging other editors to respond. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 12:29, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, a "reason" (but only in some cases...) a "reason" that the only thing showing it is that they not only do not respond, but did not even bother to read that these alleged reasons had already been shown to be false and against the consensus showed in other articles in the talk section of the Carles Puyol article (and I also wrote all these arguments on the page Mattythewhite ... and he did not respond anything). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.19.144.48 (talk) 12:42, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

NEWBLPBAN
I am livid to find out about this WP:NEWBLPBAN horseshit. I don't know how I didn't notice it in the past two years but I'm deeply disappointed in ARBCOM for placing discretionary sanctions on such a large swath of articles like Zakir Naik. Editors like me are just going to let the crazies win the content battle because it's not worth my trouble to get involved. Chris Troutman ( talk ) 19:42, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Chris Troutman, that article also falls under WP:ARBIPA. Not much comfort to editors like you. Do you have any suggestions what other restrictions can be placed to minimize disruption? --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:55, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, Wikipedia started off on the wrong foot with the whole "anyone can edit" stuff. Instead of having an HR department to sort through would-be editors, they show up at an article like Zakir Naik because Zakir's in trouble with the government and they want to push a viewpoint. Wikipedia dares me to deal with these partisans and won't lift a finger to help with content disputes. They'll wait till editors misstep behaviorally while in dispute and use stuff like discretionary sanctions to ban me and everyone else. So in answer to your question about minimizing disruption, we shouldn't be letting everyone edit. I don't mind ceding ground on the article about Zakir, just like I ceded ground on Thomas More, so it's no big deal. The crazies can have the BLPs. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 20:54, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

I have to note that I have some sympathy for Chris, as the crazies in large numbers can overwhelm the more neutrally-minded, and we often have so many other areas of interest that we really prefer not to have to waste our energies on these sorts of battles, which often boomerang at the wrong person (as well as the wrong version...). Montanabw <sup style="color:orange;">(talk) 23:50, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/97.41.1.152
Back again now at this IP:

172.56.42.183 (talk) 02:47, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Blocked. Thanks for the report. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 02:49, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Already blocked. 172.56.42.183 (talk) 03:13, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

That was a problem
Neil, per this, the userfied draft article, was deleted before I could even get to it to contest the nomination (less than 24 hours). It was an AfD that I userfied in my own user space to work on it as a draft and see if it would be brought up to a GA standard. Userfication is almost always OK unless there is a copyvio or a BLP violation, neither of which is applicable here. I believe that deletion under these circumstances was inappropriate. I asked the person who deleted it to restore it, but I believe you are also an admin so you could as well. This was, as you know, a hotly discussed article and had significant support. I do not believe there is any policy that says that such an article cannot be userfied for improvement and future return to article space. Please restore, or encourage to do so. Thank you. Montanabw <sup style="color:orange;">(talk) 23:15, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I did not follow the AFD or delete the article. I just moved the speedy delete notice. Which was absolutely correct, BTW. You cannot userfy an article like that. It loses all history and required attribution. You can ask an admin to restore the article and move it into userspace. If doesn't respond within the next 4-5 hours I'll do that for you. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 23:28, 17 July 2016 (UTC)


 * So, where did the notice originally post? It appears that the article was deleted before the notice even landed at my talk page... I would be quite grateful if you could do so, if RHaworth does not or cannot.  Technically, it wasn't so much userfied as content moved into draft space during the AfD so that it could be worked on, keeping content in case-- as happened -- the AfD was suddenly closed without warning.  (And I did the copypaste because moving an article during an AfD is disruptive and generally not OK).  I am more than glad to have the entire article with history userfied, in fact, I'd prefer that, I'd be really happy to see that.  However, the talk page of the userspace draft was where the work was happening, and it contained some discussion and a few links to sources that I'd like to have back too.   Montanabw <sup style="color:orange;">(talk)  23:48, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Understood. In the future, please don't copy-paste unless you are the sole author. Re message: I thought my edit summary was clear. It was on your user page. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 23:53, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. I missed the edit summary because I had multiple talk page posts and I went straight to the page without looking at the history. By the way, and FWIW, while I fully agree with you about moving and attribution, userspace is a little more complicated -- the reality is that a lot of folks move an article into their userspace to work on drafts and improvements with a full intent of later pasting their efforts back into the main article.  There is not an intention to avoid proper attribution, it's actually a very good faith intention to not disrupt a relatively stable article while major renovations are taking place. Not sure how to handle the intersection of attribution and sandboxing... I suppose in non-AfD cases, a permalink to the version copied would at least meet the minimum standard...   Montanabw <sup style="color:orange;">(talk)  00:51, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * (tps) You can add  at the top to avoid confusion. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 02:05, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * NeilN, is Kautilya3 correct that adding the draft template could eliminate the problem in the future?  Montanabw <sup style="color:orange;">(talk)  02:45, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * , no., you understand this is a copyright and attribution issue? If a draft page comes from article space, the contents still need to be attributed to various editors. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 03:21, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I see. If the main page gets deleted and the userspacedraft stays around then we don't have attribution. Got it! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:58, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Correct, because in a copy-paste draft creation, all history is lost. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 09:36, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Outside of Afd, a lot of people routinely copy article text into their sandbox to work on article improvement without messing up the real one in mainspace. Then, when done, they copy their changes into the main article as a single edit. Montanabw <sup style="color:orange;">(talk) 05:56, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * But that's not what you were doing here. Please let it go. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 10:03, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I will in a bit, but the accusations of bad faith inherent in that whole debate and then this deletion issue are troubling me. To be honest, the issue of preserving article history and attribution didn't occur to me when I userfied the article prior to deletion. In fact, my bigger concern was that somehow userfication after deletion would be the thing denied. (Not sure why I thought that, but the wiki is a big place with a lot of written-but-hard-to-find rules).  Overall, I really have been appalled at the toxic environment at AfD; several people who started reviewing some of these WP:WOMEN AfDs with me have thrown up their hands in despair. It is a mess that needs a lot of cleanup and reform.   Montanabw <sup style="color:orange;">(talk)  23:15, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

User talk:123.136.107.35
Can you delete my other IP talk page? 123.136.106.61 (talk) 01:10, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi 123. We don't delete talk pages. I've blanked it and warned the editor. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 01:16, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

User block
Could this user please be blocked. They have ignored warnings and final warning on their talk and are continuing to be disruptive and a vandal. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 10:00, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * DaHuzyBru, done. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 10:04, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Fingertip wrinkling
Hello there again NeilN

I'm writing in reference to the section you deleted:


 * Finger wrinkling: Wrinkly fingers.jpg in response to water immersion.]]Humans are the only great apes to show finger and toe pad wrinkling in response to exposure to wet conditions. Originally it was assumed that the finger wrinkling was simply the result of the skin swelling in water, but it is now understood that the furrows are caused by the blood vessels constricting due to signalling by the sympathetic nervous system in response to water exposure. One hypothesis that has been put forward is that the wrinkled fingertips are adaptive for grasping in wet conditions in the same way as tyre treads help to avoid slipping on the roads. This adaptation could have evolved at a time when human ancestors spent a predominant amount of time in aquatic or semi-aquatic environments. To investigate this, a study in 2013 found that the wrinkled fingertips provided better handling of wet objects but gave no advantage for handling dry objects. Conversely, a 2014 study attempting to reproduce these results was unable to demonstrate any improvement of handling wet objects with wrinkled fingertips. However, no other theory has yet been put forward to explain this nervous system response, and the authors of the latter paper suggest that this nervous response "does not serve any adaptive function but rather is a byproduct of sympathetic nervous system-induced vasoconstriction".

You cited "no link to AAT" under your reason for removal of the fingertip wrinkling passage.

The fingertip wrinkling entry for fingers in wikipaedia states:

"One hypothesis for why this occurs, the “rain tread” hypothesis, posits that the wrinkles may help the fingers grip things when wet, possibly being an adaption from a time when humans dealt with rain and dew in forested primate habitats"

AAT supporters believe that the wet conditions that gave rise to the evolution of this interesting nervous response is actually semi-aquatic environments or the result of littoral living where humans collected molluscs from the water for example.

This is one of the central pieces of evidence in support of AAT. Although you may not agree about the evolutionary cause of the wrinkling, (and I included a reference that opposed the idea, for fairness and balance), it is clearly relevant to the topic of AAT, there is published research on it and therefore to ignore it and delete it completely is misinformative.
 * Please post this on the article's talk page, not here. But before you do please read WP:SYNTH. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 15:33, 18 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Ok, sure thing Neil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aquapess (talk • contribs) 15:35, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Protection
Hi! I think you accidentally protect Ignore all rules with both PC1 and Semi, can you only use one (PC1 is no good with semi). Thanks! &mdash; Music1201  talk  22:48, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It wasn't an accident. A semi to stop the current disruption and then an indef PC1 to take over when the semi expires. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 23:08, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, my mistake. &mdash; Music1201  talk  00:27, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Not a mistake! I've been asked that before. It may look funny but there's a method in the madness. If a page with a low, but steady stream of unconstructive edits suddenly gets vandalized at a higher rate, I apply the semi to stop the current disruption and a longer PC to make sure the article isn't totally unprotected when the semi expires. That way, we can judge if a semi is needed again without vandalized versions being shown to readers. I'm more apt to do this with BLPs and high profile pages. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 00:49, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Different ways of contributing
Something you just wrote to someone else: ~"Overheard at WMF. If content creators all left... If vandalism fighters all left..." Do you mind if I quote that (with attr. to you) on my user page? Thanks either way. Jeh (talk) 02:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * , not at all! Feel free to go ahead. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 03:13, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ty. Jeh (talk) 09:46, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

About Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
Hi NeilN. I guess we should also block this user. The Wikipedia editor and admin who, for some reason or other, has recently chosen to refer to himself as "Piet van Nieuw Holland" aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:30, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Shirt58, yup. User blocked, pages deleted, vandalism reverted. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 11:51, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Apology
I′m really sorry, I was polite in the first place. Consider that some of the Wikipedians are working against articles About Croatia and Croats, especially that Dutchman. Please do something about that. Thank you! --BrunoMed (talk) 16:00, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Replied here --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:07, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

That Poppy
Accounts IP


 * All accounts and IP's have been editing out information on That Poppy only, the latest one being Islanduser83, all on the lines of "Incorrect information", "Irrelevant information", "Doesn't add to the article", explanation about the difference between Pereira and the Poppy character, or no explanation at all. I know it's already been reported to WP:ANI (about GrabrielMarx89), but I'm wondering if there should be anything else done to prevent future editing wars/vandalism. Thank you in advance!  A dog 104  Talk to me 16:43, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Article semied, SPI opened Sockpuppet investigations/Mr.Robertson88 --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:56, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Gracias. :)  A dog 104  Talk to me 16:58, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Today (and before)
User:NeilN, my apologies to you and to User:Boing! said Zebedee. You have been seeing a bit too much of me lately. The last few weeks it seems, not another day goes by without one or two of these incidents, that get to involve me. I notice now, how that got to me today. Perhaps I need another hobby. Substance abuse springs to mind, but perhaps flower arranging is a better option (that was a joke...). But anyway, I do think that Wikipedia should remain an at least somewhat pleasurable experience for me and at this pace it isn't anymore. I'll see what I have to do about that. Thanks. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 20:52, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

2016 WWE draft
This page is getting a lot of vandalism thrown at it's way, can you please semi-protect it? A request is also at WP:RFPP. Thanks. 172.56.42.98 (talk) 00:50, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Semied two days. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 00:52, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't know if the editor's contributions are problematic or not, but FWIW, they seem to be an auto-confirmed user... 172.56.42.98 (talk) 00:58, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Kelli Ward Page
Frankly, I just noticed for the first time that I needed to talk to someone about deletions made on the Kelli Ward page. I still honestly don't know who I'm talking to about this and why another editor keeps inserting totally irrelevant and malicious statements on the Kelli Ward page. I realize that fairness may be subjective with Wikipedia, but, the user(editor) who keeps inserting "controversies" is well aware that Dr. Ward is in the middle of a US Senate race against John McCain (who has a PROTECTED page, by the way and none of his "controversies" can be posted. I'd like to have a legitimate conversation about this important and vital issur.  Can someone email me at RogerCG1@aol.com and explain how all of this works?  Thank you  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RogerCG1 (talk • contribs) 03:51, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Replied here --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 03:55, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Page Protection
Can you put a page protection to GMA Network Inc. and to it's TV station GMA Network to prevent vandalism.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kazaro (talk • contribs) 05:50, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Kazaro, the editor behind the recent vandalism was blocked. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 07:40, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Another anti-Zeitgeist sock?
here <span style="text-shadow: 1px 1px 1px #88ff88, -1px -1px 1px #8888ff;text-weight:light">Grammar's Li'l Helper Talk 07:30, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Blocked. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 07:37, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Fingertip wrinkling nervous response
Hey Neil, I wasn't sure whether you'd read my last message on the fingertip thread because you hadn't replied, so I just wanted to leave you a quick note to say it's ok if that section is deleted. Thanks for your help.Aquapess (talk) 08:53, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Your warning to me
I am really fed up. Working to make improvements in Wikipedia articles with reliable sources and then some editors who disagree with your edits (don't know for what reason or so) revert you. Then you revert them for good and are being shown as engaged in edit war and warned of being blocked. Wow. What a great reward for your dedicated work ! Well, if you noticed, I am in edit war, you must also have noticed why I am reverting those edits which reverted mine. If not, then see yourself. This is sheer bullying by administrators and certain other editors. Wasted all my time. Vibhss (talk) 19:04, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Vibhss, I can understand you wanting to add your corrections. But other editors have objections: 'wrong article. this is only about Modern Standard Hindi. see Hindi languages for "all the dialects"', 'census data not useful here, because it is a different Hindi', 'Rv: this has been discussed multiple times, Census 2011 used a much more "liberal" definition of Hindi than we do'. You will need to engage the other editors on the talk page and wait for consensus to form. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:22, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Why is my editing misleading.
Why in gods name do you say my editing is misleading... th information that i have been trying to change is correct what you have is a lie. and disrespectful to 3.5 million citizens of the island. The recent case called Sanchez Valle vs PR states completely that ultimate power is on USA congress so what you call commonwealth and we call ELA Free associate state is not correct. we are a colony without a doubt. how can i make this clear to you. Everyone on the island i clear on this subject but you clearly know nothing about the island. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohamGabriel (talk • contribs) 22:33, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * JohamGabriel, your edit summaries are misleading. You're not "fixing typos". --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 22:37, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

What are you talking about. PR is not a commonwealth, so well establish with Sanchez Valle Vs PR.... You are misleading... not me — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohamGabriel (talk • contribs) 22:39, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

this is what wikipedia says a commonwealth is: The English noun "commonwealth" in the sense meaning "public welfare; general good or advantage" dates from the 15th century. The original phrase "the common-wealth" or "the common weal" (echoed in the modern synonym "public weal") comes from the old meaning of "wealth", which is "well-being", and is itself a loose translation of the Latin res publica (republic). The term literally meant "common well-being". In the 17th century the definition of "commonwealth" expanded from its original sense of "public welfare" or "commonweal" to mean "a state in which the supreme power is vested in the people; a republic or democratic state". "Better things were done, and better managed ... under a Commonwealth than under a King." Pepys, Diary (1667)

"Supreme power is vested in the people" But in PR Supreme power is vested in US Congress,... So How can i be misleading/???? please explain.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohamGabriel (talk • contribs) 22:42, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

and this is wikipedias definition on colony: In politics and history, a colony is a territory under the immediate political control of a state, distinct from the home territory of the sovereign. For colonies in antiquity, city-states would often found their own colonies. Some colonies were historically countries, while others were territories without definite statehood from their inception.

Please tell me what is misleading in my typo correction. more than 100 years we've been a colony under a false sense of sovereignity.

Please explain., — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohamGabriel (talk • contribs) 22:45, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Ignoring the fact that Neil told you it's the edit summaries that are misleading, what you're doing here is original research. Until a reliable source calls Puerto Rico something other than a commonwealth, it's not our place as Wikipedia editors to change it, regardless of what we think it should say or what we believe is true. clpo13(talk) 22:46, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

is the United Nations ruling in the las decolonization special committee a RS???? Reliable source? This is the link: http://www.un.org/press/en/2016/gacol3296.doc.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohamGabriel (talk • contribs) 01:09, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * JohamGabriel, please stop posting about your content dispute here. I am not involved in it. All I'm telling you is to stop edit warring and to stop using misleading edit summaries. clpo13 also has some good advice that you should take note of. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 03:33, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of content at the Seeberville Murders page
Hello again NeilN. I am come before you to-day to report the deletion of some fully-cited material on the Seeberville murders page by user Rms125a@hotmail.com. I conversed with him as you suggested and he refused to reply to my latest comment on his talk page in which I stated that I had not been, as he said, "copying and pasting" information from other websites but rather I had used books, newspapers of the day, government records, telegram correspondence and other relative historical documentation as my sources. I had cited them as such and now more than half of them are gone. I request that you please help me out with this as it has gotten out of hand already. Kiitos! The Copper Miner (talk) 02:34, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The Copper Miner, lay out your arguments on the article's talk page, not a user's talk page. If other editors are interested, that's where they'll chime in. That's also where admins will look to see if discussion has taken place when looking at edit warring accusations. Post there, wait a couple days, and see what happens. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 03:38, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

BrunoMed
Hello User:NeilN I noticed a remark on BrunoMed's talkpage where he apologized for using IP addresses. He did that here somewhere. The use of these addresses can be seen here. It is about the numbers 46.188.174.187 and 46.188.225.122. Now I noticed that numbers from the same range, this one and this one and this one and this one and also this one have still been editing articles about Croats in the last two days since BrunoMed was blocked. I'm going to compose an SPI request. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 12:56, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I filed that here. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 13:08, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Gerard von Hebel, I have blocked the master indefinitely. Are any of the IPs currently active? --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 13:15, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, this one is, There may be others. I'll have a look. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 13:17, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * This one I also encountered in the last few hours, this one this morning. The other were last seen yesterday and the day before. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 13:21, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! Gerard von Hebel (talk) 13:28, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Zakir Naik
I would describe the following diffs as two reverts within 24 hours: (42 consecutive edits) and  (6 consecutive edits).--Bbb23 (talk) 13:43, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Bbb23, the three edits between those two sessions of editing consisted of fixing disambiguation links, fixing punctuation, and adding headers. All were untouched as far as I can see. Kind of cheap to block for that, don't you think? --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 13:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right. I should've thought about that. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:06, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Could you remove a permission?
Hi NeilN, how's things? If you have a mo could you remove my  (Course online volunteers) userright? I no longer use the permission, thanks :) -- samtar talk or stalk 14:07, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * samtar, a mo has been expended fulfilling your request. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 14:13, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I.O.U 1x mo, feel free to redeem at any time -- samtar talk or stalk 14:20, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ... so wot about 'alf a mo, then?! <sub style="color:green;>Muffled <sup style="color:red;">Pocketed   >-->>>>>>>>>>>

Block Evasion
Seems like is block evading. Original account is. Should I request CU for sleepers/other alt accounts on the ready or not? Dat GuyTalkContribs 19:08, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . I have blocked the sock. I don't think there's any need for a CU (yet). --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 05:37, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

MariaJaydHicky
MariaJaydHicky continuing edit-warring and disruptive editing, using a number of different IP addresses 2a02:c7f:de18:a800:bd00:636e:50eb:beb7, 2a02:c7f:de18:a800:c4ea:90d5:e41b:ca2b, 2a02:c7f:de18:a800:8991:d563:f4a8:4b6d and other most recent 2a02:c7f ranges. The current account Postcodezrepresenting is likely sock.123.136.106.218 (talk) 05:45, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Pinging and  for help analyzing. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 05:54, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * New editor mass changing/reordering genres and complaining about unreliable sources? Too suspicious. Look at this edit which partially restores this edit from what I believe to be an IPsock. In my opinion, Postcodezrepresenting definitely is MariaJaydHicky. I don't know if there's enough evidence right now to warrant a block but maybe later it might be worth starting an SPI. Sro23 (talk) 16:02, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅, blocked and tagged. I must block more MJH socks outside SPI than any other master. It seems like everyone and their mother see possible socks lurking. Funny thing is they are almost always right.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:16, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Bbb23. I think part of the problem is that there a lot of genre warriors out there and to an outsider, they all start to blur together when hunting for similarities. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 18:31, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

User page
Why did you delete portions of my user page? I know my user page isn't NPOV; but NPOV doesn't apply to peoples' user pages. If anything, I'm helping NPOV by admitting my own biases. JoeM (talk) 17:49, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * JoeM, see WP:BLP (applies everywhere) and WP:POLEMIC. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:51, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, you're right, I see BLP applies to user pages. But how did my page violate that? It's not like I posted some libelous claim saying I had personal knowledge about Hillary Clinton committing a crime (which would be true libel if proven false), I just posted some common anti-Hillary political slogans. JoeM (talk) 17:56, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * And WP:Soapbox, Blog and WP:Not, See also WP:User page.  I can't speak as to motives, but I can apply policy. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 17:57, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * JoeM, WP:POLEMIC. Please stop wasting everyone's time. I've also redacted a portion of your comment at Articles for deletion/Clinton crazies. Consider this your final warning. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 18:04, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

RfPP
Hey Neil, I just wanted to drop in and say thank you for your hard work over at WP:RfPP. Almost all of my reports today you protected within minutes. Thank you again! --   LuK3      (Talk)   00:16, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Thanks for making easy to handle reports :-) --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 00:31, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Administrator privilege to edit a STUB : Singla ? No way dude.
You are not doing any good to your reputation by putting unwanted administrator privilege to edit a stub page. It clearly showcase that you have ulterior motives which will surely damage Wikipedia reputation because of people like you. People like you who don't even have an introduction on their profile page and are hiding their identities don't even deserve to be on Wikipedia administrator list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.176.177.140 (talk) 08:07, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Considering you are close to breaking the 3RR, I don't believe you should be claiming that an administrator 'has ulterior motives which will surely damage Wikipedia's reputation.' Also, redirect protection. Dat GuyTalkContribs 08:35, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * There's a RFC on Talk:Singla you are welcome to participate in. Note it focuses on sources. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 13:36, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

In reply to your concern Dat Guy, All I have to say I understand your concern about 3RR rule and I was noway near to breaking it. Also, more importantly redirect protection does not apply here as Singla is not synonymous with Singhal unless and until you guys want to call Elizabeth II as Hitler. So, kindly understand the concern and suspend the redirect till a support for the claim for redirect is not found. As was done already before your revert and block. Thanks and Regards. 223.176.162.102 (talk) 17:50, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism on Ryan Jimmo
Ryan Jimmo's page keeps getting vandalized it should probably be protected again and reverted back to this version https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ryan_Jimmo&diff=730617546&oldid=730548114 by Yobot. 74.103.217.48 (talk) 11:15, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Pending changes protected for one month. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 13:42, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Spartacus! keeps vandalizing the Sino-Vietnamese War page. He just broke the 3 revert rule.
Admin.

Spartacus! keeps vandalizing the Sino-Vietnamese War page. He just broke the 3 revert rule.

I have refuted him in the talk section but he just does not get it! He provided a economy article with a 1 page blurry picture to support his claims. I have added solely war dedicated article, yet he keeps on trolling and vandalizing them.

Please block him and protect the page.

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.16.150 (talk)
 * Replied here. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 14:51, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Noping
Thanks for the note; I've never seen that template before. I figured an EL-style link was the only way to avoid the ping, since I wasn't going to avoid signing my post. Nyttend (talk) 15:21, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Yet another mo
Promise I'll find another admin to bother next, but may need some attention, per this edit and this discussion? Ponyo seems to be away, and I think a block/revdel may be in order. Thank you again -- samtar talk or stalk 16:52, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Second thoughts, the IP is likely stale now (edit was late yesterday evening), but their edit may still need removing - I'm not sure if that qualifies for revdel -- samtar talk or stalk 16:54, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * samtar, the editor has been using the same IP for over a week so it's likely not very dynamic. Blocked two weeks. I don't see any urgent revdel need so I'll get to decide what to do. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:00, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Neil -- samtar talk or stalk 17:01, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for closing the frivolous AE request filed by an IP user (173.161.39.97). It is a quite bizarre campaign of harassment by him, and I do hope it ceases. Thank again. --Neutralitytalk 17:58, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Re: Speedy
Yeah, noted, could've linked to it as not everyone is aware of that troll's MO. Blake Gripling (talk) 00:30, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Blake Gripling, that and, for those who are aware (I was), deleting user pages created by sock notices and user talk pages is still very rare and unusual. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 00:36, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I know, it's that cases of egregrious trolling from the likes of Khan deserve to be forgotten, yes? Blake Gripling (talk) 01:00, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * try PROD and gain consensus on this instead? May be quicker. Zero <sup style="color:#0000FF;">talk  16:12, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Zero, there's already Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Supreme Genghis Khan. I was asking Blakegripling to link to it when they add a speedy tag so reviewing admins get clued in as to why the page was tagged. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:19, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for the clarification! Zero <sup style="color:#0000FF;">talk  17:35, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Penguins of Madagascar Page Protection Request?
Sir: Respectfully, I request that you unlock the page early, or at least allow me a fully protected edit in order to add in my evidence, the interview with show executive producer Bob Schooley conducted by a verified industry expert whose credentials are even meticulously detailed onsite, in order to justifiably refute a certain editor's 100% untrue assertion that "Penguins of Madagascar has absolutely nothing to do with My Little Pony or Bronies". For anything else that i may not have a verified article on hand with the words "Penguins of Madagascar has (blank) in it, for sure, no doubt about it!" (geez, what burden of proof, but i nevertheless assent and fully abide by Wikipedia's rules)... being flexible about page content was never an issue for me; as stated numerous times i have wholeheartedly agreed to take down severely disputed items and still will keep any controversial material off if agreed upon in discussion and/or proven to be in clear violation of Wikipedia's editing guidelines. However certain other editors have consistently ignored any reasonable discussion in the talk page, and contrary to Wikipedia's guidelines NEVER (sorry, but such negligence, willful or otherwise, really bugs me) use any tags to mark objectionable content in-article and, more egregiously, consistently make personally subjective and hurtful attacks on other users' work AND personal accounts constantly over the past 24 hrs instead of reasonable discussion in talk pages and, even more egregiously, have begun to target said users for what appears to be vandalism, harassment of personal accounts, and even wikihounding said accounts. Would like to finally note certain complaining editors have still not come up with reasonably explained justifications for deleting all the work i have done recently, although i am always till open to talk calmly, civilly and without all the (back)biting as well as continually being personally insulted as "annoying" and my work destroyed over and over again with the same justifications given ad nauseum. Please sir, even if you do not assent to this request, can someone in administration at least see that i am being bullied and targeted exclusively, when the page has so many problems that these complaining editors are blatantly ignoring (i.e.: calling the character Burt an "indian elephant" without any evidence given in or outside the series, i can use the linguistics logic of wikipedia articles to say Skipper and Kowalski speak North American English, but complaining editors say the exact same logic cannot be used to say Private speaks Estuary English, even though by linguistics he speaks every single shibboleth the article Estuary English has to offer...), with said aggressively hostile and hurtful editors constantly making me feel sooo vulnerable and unsafe on Wikipedia that i had to ask my own buddies, brothers and sisters to "escort" me in the midst of a barrage of what appears to be clearly bullying as well as sock puppet attacks (if you, as the complaining editors feel you need to accuse me of using the disgusting habit known as sock puppetry too, then i can have my best friends as well as my personal, real- life flesh-and-blood family respond in ANY way you deem fit to quell such unverified rumors, really... simply request it of me and it shall be done posthaste... the main reason me and my brother share an email address is because my whole family has Apple Family, so he's used to putting my Family Organizer gmail down when prompted and the dude didn't think to sign up with a separate gmail upon registering for wikipedia... however, he is signing up under his own gmail asap and will use that from now on if he still wants to edit... i honestly am getting fatigued of being bullied online...). Sigh... i guess if i really am forced off Wikipedia, i will just stop contributing; honestly, i never thought strong-arming could keep an encyclopedia from really being free, but then again as certain editors keep reminding me, i guess i really don't know very much at all, and maybe well, maybe i just should stop trying, sir :? (your honest opinion is greatly appreciated, even if you want to rag on me and my editing abilities as well, i suppose). Anyways, thanks for reading this, I hope this can all be rightfully resolved in some way, any way really. Eshumaitreyus (talk) 05:12, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Eshumaitreyus, your edits are being discussed at Talk:The_Penguins_of_Madagascar. Please continue to respond there. Succinctly. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 05:21, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

IP 67.175.16.150
Hello NeilN, after you warned 67.175.16.150 of edit warring and personal attacks, they again started personally attacking me and reverted my contributions. You should have blocked him yesterday, as their own admitted IP, 206.167.71.30 was already warned many times by editors about 3RR and NPA. Please see this NeilN they made more reverts after you warned him of 3RR, They made total of 10 reverts (counting reverts his first IP 206.167.71.30 as well) in one day. Please see this also, what they told to User:Rajmaan about me after you yesterday warned him of NPA and his this comment  which starts with "Spartacus, since you were already debunked in the Sino-Vietnamese talk page ; therefore, your source was also unreliable in this article. You use the exact same source !" Spartacus! (talk) 06:34, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Spartacus!, those are not personal attacks and the one doing the warning is you. You are also edit warring as much as the IP is and, just like them, engaged in ill-advised accusations of vandalism. Should I block you too? If not, please see WP:DRR for other options for resolving this content dispute. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 10:59, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi, NeilN. I am the user Spartacus is accusing off. I just registered this account so that I will not appear as some random IP.

Again, thank you for locking the List of wars involving the People's Republic of China page. I will be very careful from now on with my edits.

As for these pages.

1. Sino-Vietnamese War 2. Sino-Soviet border conflict

Spartacus just keep disruptive edit them with his no credential source. His source was proven totally unreliable by Rajmaan a well respected editor in the talk section Talk:Sino-Vietnamese War; yet he continue his endless and groundless arguing by posting more and even requesting a dispute resolution. The source I provided is dedicated to the Sino-Vietnamese war where his is an economic article. He used his no credential source for both articles.

I believe that he will be back reverting those articles once no one keeps an eye on those pages.

--Jon Hydro Jets (talk) 13:26, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

What is it you are trying to explain? Please improve your communication skills.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:223.176.179.46&oldid=731287050

You have made some comment on this page. Please learn to communicate. Not a Singla word is clear from your text. 120.56.175.104 (talk) 14:20, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It means that if you continue your disruptive editing at Talk:Singla or anywhere else you will be blocked from editing or banned from editing that topic. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 14:26, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Ta-daaa. Dat GuyTalkContribs 14:38, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Anant Vidhaat Sharma
Hello Neil, I agree with what you said, but Anant is my cousin and he has personally asked me to get rid of this article , and I am unable to do it. Please help me in getting this article deleted. thanking you in anticipation regards Chandan Indoria — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chandan.indoria (talk • contribs) 14:55, 24 July 2016 (UTC) SO, what should we (me and anant) do to get this article deleted ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chandan.indoria (talk • contribs) 14:58, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Chandan.indoria, you are not able to do it because Wikipedia does not allow deletions of an articles because subjects want them deleted. You must figure out precisely why Anant does not meet WP:BIO and then start an article for deletion discussion. If you can come up with a reason why Anant does not meet our notability guidelines, I will help with the rest. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 15:03, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Its just that some of the information that was published earlier was not supposed to be made public and I made a mistake by publishing it. Hence Anant is furious at me and is repeatedly asking me to get this whole article get deleted. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chandan.indoria (talk • contribs) 15:09, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Chandan.indoria, it looks like all the sources are public. And again, we do not delete articles because the subjects are "furious". Look at WP:NACTOR and see if you can come up with a guideline-based reason for deletion. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 15:17, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me on how to sign my post on talk pages. I do understand your point, but what I did was a mistake and this might get him into trouble as the information I published in introduction section was not supposed to be made public. and it has no citation and or reference like him being a "kathakali dancer" and or "a martial artist ". He is okay with critical response section. but wants other sections to be removed as there is no proper citation and/or reference to it. Biggest mistake is in his name. His name is Anant Vidhaat and not Anant Sharma. Thanks Chandan.indoria (talk) 15:31, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Revdel request
Hi NeilN, could you possibly delete these revisions from the page history of Sam Pepper:, , , ? They're pretty attack-y. Thanks in advance.  Event horizon51  (talk) 17:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 18:00, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Request for action
Dear Neil: Thank you for your helpful and friendly advice. But I did warn them repeatedly; if you see the talk page history, then you will see that they have deleted my warnings and have chosen to ignore them. I may not be a respected editor on Wikipedia, but I trust that you are. Please do everything you can to end this edit war and try to reach a understanding with them before you block them, please. The Roman-Persian Wars article is where the problem with them began.
 * Foleo (talk) 02:25, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Foleo, right now the only editor I'm looking at blocking is you. I strongly suggest you use the article's talk page to discuss content and drop the false accusations of vandalism. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 02:28, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Foleo, right now the only editor I'm looking at blocking is you. I strongly suggest you use the article's talk page to discuss content and drop the false accusations of vandalism. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 02:28, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Then I will do the same with you if you act aggressively as threats are not the solution. I am only looking for a solution. But you seem to be close friends with them as you falsely accusing me of attacking them. How do we resolve it? Foleo (talk) 02:30, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Foleo, I told you: use the article's talk page to discuss content and drop the false accusations of vandalism. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 02:32, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Protection of articles related to Balochistan
We need a serious effort by admins to semi protect articles related to Balochistan since sock puppet Darknesshines is rearing his head constantly at these places and causing massive conflicts between editors which some of them sadly allow him to edit and hide behind them not knowing it was a sock to get the article changed to their pov. We also need topic bans for users who constantly disrupt these pages with assistance from obvious sock accounts of DS or this will never end. 141.241.26.20 (talk) 11:50, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * See WP:RFPP. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 16:16, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

WikiLover2016
Looks like this nice gentleman could use his talk page access yanked. See here, among many other non-constructive edits on his talk page since being blocked. Just wanted to give you an FYI. I hope you're doing well, and it's good to say hi to you again! :-)  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   02:58, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yep, done. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 03:00, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Check out article Dreams from my Father.
Plenty of harassment and vandalism in this article over the last few days. I was blocked, simply for attempting to insert the material that indicated Bill Ayers admitted in 2013 he was the ghostwriter behind "Obama's" Dreams From my Father book. I just tried restoring some material from the Talk page that I had written. (Nobody else seemed to be using the Talk page). 75.175.65.141 (talk) 20:19, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Please explain your weird comment on my page. I explained to someone else that he was vandalizing a page, and I forwarded the information to you as well. What's wrong with that? Please don't use "boilerplate" comments. 75.175.65.141 (talk) 20:23, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Oh!!! I just found your comment in the History section of the Talk page for "Dreams From my Father". You said, " DO NOT add back without *mainstream* sources." Would New Yorker magazine be considered "mainsteam" enough? I think it was founded in 1925. 75.175.65.141 (talk) 20:28, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Does it say "Obama lied"? I'm guessing not. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 20:31, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't say that in my first edits. But it is relevant.  The fact that Obama lied would certainly explain the various harassers around here trying to keep this material (even absent the claim "Obama lied") out of Wikipedia.    75.175.65.141 (talk) 21:01, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

How about this. Is this "mainstream" enough? (reprinted in AIM, "Accuracy in Media")  http://www.aim.org/aim-report/did-bill-ayers-write-obamas-book/    75.175.65.141 (talk) 20:58, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You can propose to use that. For best results, you should also propose specific changes to the article using that source, being careful not to overstate what the source says. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 21:05, 26 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey Neil don't mean to jump in here on your discussion but this IP has now filed an ANI against another user for warning them about harassment of another user. Wanted to make you aware of this as you had warned them about it as well and they brought up this article and the issues in their ANI. The ANI I believe has no merit, thought you might wanna have a look. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Threatening_behavior_by_user_CrashUnderride. Chris &#34;WarMachineWildThing&#34; (talk) 02:49, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Chris &#34;WarMachineWildThing&#34;, yes I see Drmies blocked them for three days. After that, we'll probably have a repeat. However in that case the IP will have to explain how the source possibly translates into this and this edit. A thorough reading of WP:BLP is in order. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 02:58, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry Neil I was unaware that a block had been placed when I posted to you, my concern was the ANI that has no merit from what I see and they linked their talk page and I saw you had warned them as well, they apparently now think we are all in collusion according to their unblock request. Chris &#34;WarMachineWildThing&#34; (talk) 03:01, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi protect request
Could Amar'e Stoudemire please be semi protected. There has been lots of vandalisms from anons due to his recent retirement. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 08:35, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * One week. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 09:06, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

IHMC-P page issue
Those information are not are not promotional material. The PAASCU accreditation is part of our College's history. Drewnewvillage (talk) 09:42, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Drewnewvillage, it's spam, and a copyright violation to boot. Please stop adding it. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 09:45, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

In no way was I soapboxing, promoting or advertising, I just want my school to have a wikipedia page since there was none when I created it. if you want, you do the editing and stuff, I don't want to maintain it anymore from innacurate info and vandalism FYI, I don't have compensation wasting my time on this page. I feel so bad right now. Thanks to all of you for ruining what was supposed to be a good day for me. Drewnewvillage (talk) 10:44, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Drewnewvillage, I'm sorry you feel that way but copying and pasting material your school uses to promote itself simply isn't allowed. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 13:38, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Sock attack at WP:AE
Please see Spartacus! (talk) 11:03, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * IP blocked. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 13:35, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Demi Lovato awards

 * Hi there,

I was wondering why you made Lovato's award page unable for people to edit it? Was it something that me and other people were putting on it? Because if it is, I was told why one of her nominations was not true. I was wondering if you could please revert it back to it being made public for anyone to edit? I am not going to add anything that isn't true. Please let me know! Thank you!

Lovatc543 (talk) 16:29, 27 July 2016 (UTC)Lovatic543
 * You and other people were discussing article content in the article. I've shortened the protection from four to two days. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:40, 27 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Okay. Understandable. Thank you! It won't happen again! Lovatc543 (talk) 16:53, 27 July 2016 (UTC)Lovatic543

User continue casting aspersions
same person who was attacking me before with IP 67 range & 206. Spartacus! (talk) 16:32, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Spartacus!, your behavior is just as poor., Do not tamper with other editors' comments - especially ones that you have a dispute with. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:45, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

I hatted their comment because they being an involved editor were acting as moderator and trying to put theirs options down my throat. Why they still been let go scot free ? They continue to cast aspersions and attack me after umpteenth warnings. Spartacus! (talk) 17:06, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Spartacus!, Jon Hydro Jets is free to state what they think the dispute is about. You are free to disagree with them in a separate post. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:23, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello admin NeilN. I really do not know whom Xenoverse9 was. This morning I got a comment from this user asking me to report. I thought it was just my talk section. I really do not get the idea of "casting aspersions".


 * Most recently, I got a new message from Spartacus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&diff=731805696&oldid=731805346

--Jon Hydro Jets (talk) 17:14, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Page moves
hi i am responding to your message i am moving the Steffy Forrester,Caroline Spencer,Macy Alexander and Sharon Newman page because since they got married the credits changed their name Caroline is getting a divorce but steffy and Macy i have proof the credits i do not have proof for Sharon but she is married so those users are being a know it all --Alanpop (talk)1:14, 27 July 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanpopo123 (talk • contribs)
 * Alanpop, you need to discuss your page moves with the other editors who have posted on your talk page opposing them. Please engage in discussion first before making any more moves. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:58, 27 July 2016 (UTC) ping --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:59, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

AIV
I know you used to work at AIV a lot. Just letting you know has been semi-active lately so an "AIV backlog" has become a thing again, should you be interested in resuming activity in this area :) &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  18:32, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * , still do (but usually get beaten by Widr!). However the next couple days I'll be busy in RL and will just be popping in and out. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:07, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hm. I was offline maybe 2 days, so I can totally understand why MA got so worried. :-P Widr (talk) 19:25, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Then you will have two days deduction of pay, with immediate effect... <sub style="color:green;>Muffled <sup style="color:red;">Pocketed  08:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * , can we get a script that detects Widr's presence on AIV and plasters a big banner at the top of the page: "Don't bother - Widr's on it". --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 20:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha that's not a terrible idea! Widr doesn't seem to take many breaks, so I would go the other route and have the script ping us if it detects he is not present :) I might actually code this at some point! The issue (but not a complaint!) is that Widr is so responsive there I don't bother ever checking AIV, so I don't know if it gets backlogged, I just assume it isn't. In actuality it'd be more appropriate to make some pinging system when AIV becomes severely backlogged, but I really love the idea of a script completely devoted to stalking Widr's activity =P &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  20:26, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * , while you're at it, how about developing an API function to keep track of edit conflicts with ? Then we can hook a userbox to it - "I've edit conflicted with Widr x times!". On a related note, you might want to tweak the userRightsManager script to check another admin (ahem) hasn't already assigned the permission a sub-second before you push the button. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 21:41, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hm. I'm starting to think that someone should boldly hat this silly thread. ;-) Widr (talk) 21:57, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * All in good fun, Widr. I hope I made that clear. But the userRightsManager tweak would be useful. I've already had to undo duplicate messages and responses three times. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 22:05, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, see the smiley. But you could also just stop stalking me (insert smiley here as well). Widr (talk) 22:07, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't completely read you through the wiki but for the record these are compliments to your incredibly hard work!! :) Anyway thanks for jogging my memory, NeilN; I noticed a while back you had to revert some userRightsManager edits, I then made a mental note to fix it, and obviously it never happened =P A rather high-priority bug that requires worthwhile effort. This is frankly something that should be fixed in core, just like there's a conflict when blocking users but there isn't one when protecting pages &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  07:20, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * , I got it, I got it. Thank you! Hopefully my hard work will encourage you to work a bit harder too. :-P Widr (talk) 10:21, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Request for reduction of protection of 2016 Miss Universe (currently a redirect)
Now that reliable sources have confirmed that the pageant will be hosted in the Philippines with a definite date (january 30, 2017), I request the reduction of protection to allow at least auto-confirmed users.

Also there is sufficient info beyond the date (e.g. sponsors, negotiation process of current title holder, Pia Wurtzbach with President Rodrigo Duterte and the Department of Tourism, etc.) such as in. Although some media sources are confused whether the Philippines will host the 2016 or 2017 edition of the pageant due to the scheduled date of early 2017.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 05:59, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hariboneagle927 ✅ --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 07:07, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Ring, County Waterford
You blocked edditing of Ring, County Waterford. I would make the case that the page should be edited to reflect the correct name of the Electoral Divisions of An Rinn, Baile Mhac Airt and Aird Mhór as per sources and also to remove the claim that the name Ring is widely used in Waterford and elsewhere as there is no reference to substantiate the claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.43.203.178 (talk) 17:10, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:WRONGVERSION. Points like this belong on the article's talk page. Admins don't dictate content. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:17, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for stopping this madness. I do not know what is wrong with the other editor, but this is a complete madness. RGloucester — ☎ 18:39, 30 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for protecting the page. However, the person that wants to change the stable title is the one who should makes the requested move. The stable title was Taiwanese until RGloucester moved it in May and deliberately make a meaningless edit on the other title to prevent others to revert him. Besides, WP:NC-GAL says to use the format "Demonym type election/referendum, date". The common Demonym of ROC is Taiwanese. So in my opinion, the page should be protected with the other title.--Coco977 (talk) 18:31, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * What is wrong with you? How many pages are you going to follow me to? Stop with the nonsense you are making up out of thin air! Mr Neil, spare me the trouble and get rid of this cut-and-paste talk page the above editor made... RGloucester  — ☎ 18:42, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Please do substantial discussion instead of simply saying that I am "nonsense". RGloucester did not respond to my argument. The cut-and-paste page is the result of RGloucester's disruptive behaviour.,--Coco977 (talk) 18:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * You did not have to cut-and-paste anything. You only had to discuss, and listen. You have done neither, and have instead insisted upon making mess after mess. I'm starting to think you're some kind of troll of the worst kind, and that I'm about be taken into your maw. So be it. RGloucester  — ☎ 18:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Replied here. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 18:50, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Another article to protect
Thank you for semi-protecting Matt Kemp. Another article that needs semi-protection is Héctor Olivera (baseball), as the subject of that article is also involved in the same unconfirmed trade. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 02:12, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * A guy saved by Jesus, one day, same as the other player. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 02:16, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Can you assist
I have warned User:Bbundu and they continue to post a fake image to WWE Universal Championship. Other users have removed it and told them to stop as well and they just are not listening. The title has not yet been created so the image is fake and unsourced Chris &#34;WarMachineWildThing&#34; (talk) 04:33, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Chris &#34;WarMachineWildThing&#34; Image deleted as a copyvio, editor received a final warning. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 04:46, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

I bow before your greatness, thank you Chris &#34;WarMachineWildThing&#34; (talk) 04:47, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Questioning Censorship (Your violation of Neutral Point of View)
Just wondering what gives you right to make judgments regarding the scientific credentials of people like Dr. Spitzer Ph.D after less than 30 seconds? I noticed that you immediately categorized him as non-scientific source. This hateful, instant assumption that priests cannot be scientists is contradicted by history of Western science. From Copernicus to Georges Lemaître modern science has been born from the intellect of religious people. You have made instant judgement that he is not a scientist because he is a priest and thus his book had to be removed. Furthermore you have shown your extreme bias by disallowing editing to the statement that "all claims have been refuted" based on one article in a popular press. If you have any understanding of scientific methodology you should at least be aware that in science there is never a final refutation of any theory. It's strikes me that you are not acting as an impartial admin, but as an ideological censor who disallows opposing views to your own prejudices. Also, your typically condescending comment referring to my citations as "junk" without any farther justifications reveals only your animus and ideological bias, which is contrary to the whole idea of Wikipedia Commons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VirVirtutas (talk • contribs) 19:37, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * VirVirtutas, it took me 20 seconds (not 30) to google the name and find Robert Spitzer (priest) which reveals he has no scientific credentials. And pro-fringe theory websites are junk sources when it comes to evaluating science. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 19:44, 31 July 2016 (UTC)