User talk:Neon Sky/Archive1

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Welcome to Wikipedia, Neon Sky! I have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on or by typing helpme at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Oh yeah, I almost forgot, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on, or place helpme on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome! Tom A  8  16:43, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
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--Neon Sky (talk) 05:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC) A8UDI, I tried looking for you, but it seems you are no longer a member! Wherever in cyberspace you may be, thank you!

File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Sebastianpinera.jpg
Thanks for uploading File:Sebastianpinera.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, their copyright should also be acknowledged.

As well as adding the source, we also need to know the terms of the license that the copyright holder has published the file under, usually done by adding a licensing tag. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the GFDL-self tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Non-free content, use a tag such as or one of the other tags listed at Image copyright tags. See Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following Sky this link. Unsourced and untagged files may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the file is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Fair use) then the file will be deleted 48 hours after 14:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Salavat (talk) 14:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the message. I updated the information (which I was pretty sure I had included from the getgo).  The image has third-party authorization and the link with that confirmation is now attached.  I am new to Wiki so perhaps I did not enter the information correctly the first time.  I hope it is correct now.  Happy trails! --Neon Sky (talk) 18:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Lost in Translation
Ah, I see, sorry for not understanding. The thing is, in English culture, "delinquent" has a slightly different meaning, along the lines of Spanish "falta" or "infracción". A delinquency is a somewhat archaic word for a minor offense, such as public drunkenness or graffiti. An example would be a "delinquent mortgage", where the holder is delayed in payments. So, as an Englishman, when I read that phrase, I understand something along the lines of: "Infractores, se acabó la fiesta." RSDanneskjöld (talk)

You're right there: victimization rates are up 41% in the last six years alone. What I do, as a suggestion, when the direct translation doesn't work or there's some ambiguity, I put the most approximate translation possible, then put the original and literal translation after in parenthesis: "Criminals, the party is over" (, literally "Delinquents, your/the party is over"). Then people can make up their own mind as to what to find fault with :D RSDanneskjöld (talk) 22:01, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Augusto Pinochet official portrait 1.jpg
Thanks for uploading File:Augusto Pinochet official portrait 1.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, their copyright should also be acknowledged.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following Sky this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 05:30, 20 December 2009 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.  F ASTILYsock (T ALK ) 05:30, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately after searching high and low, I could not find the copyright to this image. It used to be available on the Chilean Library of Congress (Image Library) website, however it's been removed.  I've replaced the image with the former version.  Sadly, the image I uploaded will have to be removed.  --Neon Sky (talk) 16:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Sebastián Piñera
Please do not remove factual information from the article and do not add non-neutral content that is not verifiable. Pristino (talk) 01:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * It is factual information with verifiable references. The paragraph addresses the political campaign within the field of mass communications. Please do not insist on reverting informaton without a legitimate reason; large-scale removals are considered vandelism (edit warring). You are dangerously close to breaking the three-revert rule and having your account blocked. --Neon Sky (talk) 03:02, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello again. Could you please stop being so confrontational? It is irritating and non-constructive. Slapping random, scary-looking warnings on my talk page isn't gonna help one bit. If you disagree with the photo of Piñera, tell me so, and we can discuss it in the article's talk page. Just don't label the changing of a photo you don't like as vandalism, because it is clearly not. Best wishes. Pristino (talk) 05:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * You have continually vandelised Sebastian Pinera's page. I have continually attempted to communicate with you but you have evaded all dialogue.  I believe the history is unequivocal. Next time, this will be left to an objective third party. You have been warned.  --Neon Sky (talk) 07:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Please, stop harassing me with ridiculous warnings and stop telling lies. You're only making a fool out of yourself. Have a good day. Pristino (talk) 08:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

South Florida Wikipedia editors Meetup
I proposed a new meeting day, time and place here under the section "New Suggestion"   Nancy Heise    talk  07:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

User:Pristino
I removed your report to WP:AIV. That board is for persistent and obvious vandalism only. I decided to look into your ongoing dispute with this user and I find that I'm far more inclined to side with him than I am you. That user has asked for third party comments on the article talk page in question, which shows me an effort to resolve the issues. On the other hand, your "attempts at communication" with him seem to mainly consist of templated warnings when he does something you don't like. I suggest you read WP:OWN and then try to work out your issues with this user. Good day. Trusilver 17:08, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * You clearly have not investigated thoroughly. My concern is in regards to him deleting information and later updating unflattering image; a topic that has been discussed since the 11 of December.  He has not replied to my comments/questions on the deletion of information in the talk page .  You should really go to the page and read the events dating back to the 9th of this month.  He made continual removals of valid information without justification or acknolwedgment.  Posting decision on vandelism is a serious job and you should not take it lightly.  --Neon Sky (talk) 17:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Post diffs on this or take it to ANI. The definition of vandal is not "someone who doesn't agree with me." This is a content dispute, not a vandalism issue. I have already looked over all the previous posts on this user's talk page. Of the six separate comments you have made, one of them was a genuine attempt to communicate with the user. The other six were inflammatory threats that, to my ears, sounded like an intent to intimidate another user away from making changes you didn't like. Take this issue to the talk page of the article again. Post a direct challenge on his page for discussion of the issue (minus the veiled threats this time, I wouldn't have responded to you either) and if he still reverts without discussion, then you have some valid ammunition to use against him in dispute resolution... through the proper channels next time. If you have any questions about how to go about this process, by all means let me know and I will help. Trusilver  17:40, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

There are no threats. If you see any legitimate threats, please let me know by copying and pasting them here. Otherwise, please do not make slanderous comments against me when I have made sincere efforts to follow the WP civility rules and acted in good faith.

Pristino uses tactics of dodging dialgue and soon playing the victim. If you read all of my posts and consider the timeline, you will see that when all is in context, I have been absolutely diplomatic, even in the face of being continually deleted by him. --Neon Sky (talk) 17:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have read the entire history, twice. And yeah... you do seem to get baited by him, but the solution there is to not take the bait. The actual process to resolve this type of dispute is more time consuming than an WP:AIV report, but it is the correct way we do things. The first step in dealing with another editor who refuses to communicate is an administrator's incidents noticeboard complaint. Start with that, because community sanctions are a very successful way of getting someone to suddenly start negotiating. Trusilver  17:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I will do that next time he dodges diaolgue. I also wanted to add this link to the one you posted above so that it will be in abslute context. [] Thanks for taking the time and for the advise. --Neon Sky (talk) 17:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Your AIV report
The vandalism you were describing sounded pretty complex. A report at WP:ANI probably would be more important for your case, I think. Blueboy96 20:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Chilean presidential election, 2009–2010‎
Hello there. I have reverted your poll figures in the first infobox at Chilean presidential election, 2009–2010‎ to the original ones. I will tell you briefly why I think the previous figures are better than the ones you posted.

The CEP poll (whose numbers are used in the infobox) has two ways of asking people for their candidate of choice in a runoff scenario:


 * Method A) The interviewer openly asks the person for their choice and the person must openly answer. This is the "questionnaire" method.
 * Method B) The interviewer gives the person a ballot and a pencil, and the person secretly votes for his/her preferred candidate, placing the ballot inside a locked box. This is the "ballot box vote" method.

The original infobox poll figures used the results from method B, because it mimicks how people actually vote in the election, giving a more reliable result.

Furthermore, the original figures only included the results from the subgroup of registered voters, not the total sample. (In Chile, only those persons registered to vote can actually vote in the election.)

In short, the original infobox figures showed the results from registered voters using the ballot-box voting method. Your figures showed the results from the total sample (which includes non-registered persons) using the non-secret voting method.

If you have any questions, just ask. Cheers. Pristino (talk) 22:02, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed[]. --Neon Sky (talk) 22:33, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Great! :) Pristino (talk) 23:55, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

WP:CSD nomination of Chilean presidential election, 2013 declined
The "empty" criteria does not apply to articles with content that makes it clear what the subject of the article is, even if it is an extremely brief stub such as this one. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:20, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

no it isn't
You are of course free to remove anything you like from your talk page, but the archive tag you have just added is obviously incorrect. This is your current talk page, and you shouldn't be discouraging users from posting messages to you, communication is what makes Wikipedia work. For more information on archiving click here. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't make negative assumptions, Assume Good Faith!
 * Do not say I am discouraging anyone from communicating with me seconds after I post something to my wall. I am still learning how to use Wiki and if you are such a "pro" you should know the basic about WP civility and assume good faith.  You should have made a recommendation without placing judgement. --Neon Sky (talk) 20:30, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Uh, I did make a recommendation in the form of posting a link to how to properly archive your talk page. I did assume you were just confused and not acting in bad faith, I'm not sure how you came to the conclusions you did based on my remarks there. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC) []


 * You CLEARLY accused me of discouraging dialogue on my talkpage, something I never do. I have been searching the Wiki help files to see how to create a welcome banner on my talkpage like others have, so I took great offense to what you posted. Your comment did assume bad faith and seemed to me to be more agressive than you needed to be. Regards, --Neon Sky (talk) 20:42, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

WP:CSD nomination of Chilean presidential election, 2013 declined
The "empty" criteria does not apply to articles with content that makes it clear what the subject of the article is, even if it is an extremely brief stub such as this one. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:20, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see (RE: A3. No content). I still believe it's a questionable article.  I think the following are legitimate reasons: WP:CRYSTAL general notability guideline, lack of verifiability, bias (4 of the 5 candidates are left of center). I'll try the deletion discussion. Thanks for your input! :) --Neon Sky (talk) 00:34, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

AfD: Chilean presidential election, 2013
Note to self: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2010 January 21[]. Notices to Pristino[] and Dentren []. --Neon Sky (talk) 01:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm gathering that Pristino is new to this as well. You appear to be doing the nomination correctly, although you need to sign your first comment (the one that begins "WP:CRYSTAL: Candidates..."  Second, it's okay for you to make a Delete vote (nominator gets to vote, author gets to vote).  A lot of times, people just say "Delete, as nominator".  Normally, anything else would be preceded by the word Comment-- I'm just going to go ahead and preface Pristino's comments that way to make it more clear. Mandsford (talk) 21:14, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, that's much easier to read. Thanks for the help! :) --Neon Sky (talk) 22:25, 21 January 2010 (UTC)