User talk:Neonchameleon

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Fair enough. I was unaware of that when I voted. Neonchameleon (talk) 00:51, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Dungeons
Sure thing - here you go. That string of awards and nominations looks pretty good. DS (talk) 14:31, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Neonchameleon (talk) 14:41, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks better. Improve the formatting on the references, minimize kickstarter references, and totally eliminate all references to other Wikipedia articles. DS (talk) 01:23, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Link to other Wikipedia articles, yes. Use other Wikipedia articles as sources -- which I mistakenly thought you had done; my bad! -- no. DS (talk) 01:29, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of D. Vincent Baker


The article D. Vincent Baker has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this newly created biography of a living person will be deleted unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

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 * Fixed. Neonchameleon (talk) 14:03, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for taking the time to find sources so that deleted articles can be restored. Just a few pointers. On Dungeon World, I noted that the edit history of the previous version of the article was restored and moved to your userspace so that you could work on it; when finished, instead of copying and pasting the content the right thing to do would be to move the content with the full edit history back into article space so that the edit history and attribution can be retained. On Vincent Baker, I had previously noted that the article had been deleted and I contemplated restoring it myself (as I did with Jared Sorensen for example), but didn't think I had enough from just my source to do so; I also moved your new page so that I could merge the editing histories. Any questions, feel free to respond here and I will keep an eye on your page for a few days. BOZ (talk) 15:46, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem and thanks. I hadn't thought of moving the tweaked article out of my userspace.  Neonchameleon (talk) 01:32, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * and no thanks for not taking the time to find sources for articles you proposed for deletion. Unless you have edited under other names, your current edit count is at around 500, fewer than 250 to articles. That makes you very new here, please try not to be more bold than your experience may justify. ps., most, if not all your edits to Necromunda are entirely unsourced. Kudos to finding nonnotable articles to bring to afd, but please try to be more consistent if you want to go around PRODing articles. unsourced BLP's can be prodded like that, but historic buildings, well, they are not under the gun in the same way.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 01:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * And no thanks for confusing wp:PROD with wp:AFD. I haven't yet brought a single article to AfD - and haven't for a good reason; I'm not wp:Bold enough.  On the other hand the article as I found it contained a single link and single sentence of text.  As such, it had no indication of importance and was a borderline case for wp:A7 (which says specifically "No indication of importance." - which was true at the time I prodded it, and "If the claim's credibility is unclear, you can improve the article yourself, propose deletion, or list the article at articles for deletion.")  As for my edits to Necromunda, they are referring to part of the game rules.  The source for the game rules is the game itself.  Next you'll be telling me that every time I write an article on a book and include a synopsis of the book I need to source every paragraph to the book.  I therefore thank you for your comments and shall take them under advisement. Neonchameleon (talk) 02:17, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Gregory Hodge
You tagged Gregory Hodge with db-repost, with the edit summary: ''Speedy - repost. At least if I've read the talk page accurately.'' Um, what talk page? And where is the prior discussion? I think you might have goofed on this one. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:04, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The article creator's talk page. There's also a page move (to remove the honorific) in the way.  18:18, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah. But recreating a page that was speedily deleted does not qualify under WP:CSD.  That is only for articles deleted after a AFD discussion.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:20, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 * My bad then. My apologies.  Neonchameleon (talk) 18:23, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Question
Why did you stop editing between 2004 and 2013?

You're not obliged to answer me, but I've never seen a gap in editing history that large before. It's extremely unusual. —  Scott  •  talk  21:01, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I've edited a bit in the meantime - normally when I was looking something up and noticed it to be wrong. I just didn't log in for those edits because normally it was at most a paragraph on an article and then there wouldn't be another edit for weeks if not months.  But really my account creation back in 2004 dates back to a period when I was unemployed, and experimenting with Wikipedia - and ends with me getting a new job and moving to a new city.  Back in earnest for various reasons including just how deeply involved some of my real life friends are in Wikipedia and discovering when looking at one of my hobbies that far from just having a little polishing to do as Wikipedia's been more reliable than the Britannica for years, there's a lot of useful work to be done.  Hope that's useful :) Neonchameleon (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate your answering a question out of the blue like that. —  Scott  •  talk  21:22, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. I've been assuming for a while that someone was going to ask as accounts don't normally reactivate like that without hacking.  Although that would make me an extremely dedicated hacker. Neonchameleon (talk) 21:34, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!
posted this on my talk page, but I'm passing this beer on to you since you actually cleaned up the page. I just commented. Good work! Ivanvector (talk) 21:27, 13 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks! First time I've done that!  Or had a beer for it. Neonchameleon (talk) 21:34, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

And a cookie too!
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Sorry for the wait
As you've probably noticed, my talk page is a pretty busy place at times so things get lost in the crowd sometimes. Here are your two articles: User:Neonchameleon/Durance (role-playing game) & User:Neonchameleon/Shab-al-Hiri Roach. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:48, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks and no problem. I was away for the weekend anyway.  Neonchameleon (talk) 00:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

proposed deletion of Richard Pochinko wiki page
Richard Pochinko inspired and trained a new generation of theatre clown performers and teachers, including two canadian universities, Simon Fraser, and University of Alberta, his work is the seed of a creative approach to early childhood education. I have been contacted for interviews by numerous graduate and ph.d students who have chosen to do their theses on Pochinko. Most recently a young man from Peru, told me "in my country Pochinko is famous, so when i decided to do my masters degree on Pochinko Clown, and Therapeutic Clowning, i decided to come to Canada to do my studies at U.B.C. thinking that everyone would know who this man is. I was shocked and surprized to find that nobody had heard of him here." The metaphysical experiences related in the story, one of which has been removed, were witnessed by me. Some may not believe in higher planes of existence, that does not mean they don't exist. i was called the "keeper of the house" told that i would become a well-known clown, which i did, and in the future was to tell this story, which i have attempted to do on this page. I see that it has been called a piece of vanity fluff memorial, i assure you this is not the case. Please advise me as to how i can relate this story, within wiki guidelines, i know that clown and mask students from all aound the world are familiar with Pochinko, and that they access the Wiki page for more information, for which i thank you. I am 70 years old now, this happened in 1971, the growth in clowning in general and Pochinko clowning in particular has mushroomed, though still relatively unknown by the general public. the book you refer to listed in Amazon was written by Sue Morrison, one of the teachers we trained, definitely not his daughter. Sue introduced Pochinko Clown to South America, i believe the book is called, Pochinko Clown through Mask, as taught by Sue Morrison, thank you, ian a. wallaceNion44 (talk) 11:34, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I was the person arguing to keep the page :) The big problem with it as a page is that it doesn't read like an encyclopaedia entry - there's a lot of advice on writing better Wikipedia articles at wp:BETTER.  The two obvious problems are that it reads like a piece by a personal friend rather than someone writing an encyclopaedia (wp:NPOV is the relevant description - and everyone accepts that you can't truly make it a neutral article, but it reads as if it hasn't been tried), and that there is nothing so far in that article that is truly verifiable (see WP:VERIFIABILITY).  Anyone can write on Wikipedia - and as for the memorial website in his name the problem is that I could create a website for a made up person, claiming that they had done literally anything and using it as evidence.  Books, magazine, and newspaper articles on the other hand are treated as verifiable (even if some are hoaxes).  So there shouldn't be much in the article that you can't reference to books, newspaper, and magazine articles. (Help:Referencing for beginners) shows how to do this.  But fundamentally Wikipedia isn't a place to tell new stories, it's a place to be as sure as possible of old ones.  I hope some of that helped :) Neonchameleon (talk) 13:02, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!
Wikipedia has in the past had issues with unjustified and potentially libellous assertions. The Biography of Living Persons (BLP) has therefore been created to make sure Wikipedia is not in any danger of being sued - which means you need to be really really careful with any potentially libellous paragraphs, and reference them in massive detail. Your edit referred to Rob Ford smoking Crack Cocaine without citing it to reliable sources and was therefore in breach of the BLP policy. (The current version of the page doesn't mention any allegations about Crack Cocaine). Neonchameleon (talk) 01:37, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

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 * I did before my comment. Despite a distinctive name he didn't come in the top five hits for Kiwi Gardener (which were all about gardening).  The first two hits were utterly trivial.  The third was neither deep nor reliable.  The only thing about him on page two was youtube - non-notable.  Page 3 had [url=http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/kiwi-gardner-declares]a 3 post forum[/url], a [url=http://friarblog.com/2011/12/05/kiwi-gardner-ruled-ineligible-for-entire-season/]single blog hit[/url], and [url=http://stats.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2012-13/div1/players/kiwigardnerdpix]some stats[/url].  Pages 4 and 5 had nothing.  To me that adds up to extremely non-notable and this is how I understand his notability.  (It's possible that you get different results as Google localises).  Of course if you believe him to be notable and can find other sources, sources trump an absence of sources so it's still possible to demonstrate that Kiwi Gardener is notable.  But you are going to have to produce such sources yourself. Neonchameleon (talk) 00:34, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

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Dresden Files
I know you are going to need it, so here you go. The text is pure copyvio, so it needs to stay hidden - click edit, copy the contents into a text file, and I will delete it for you. There is a lot of it (possibly more than on any single product I have seen in that book), so you will have to pick and choose what you want to use. It should push you a long way into getting a GA! BOZ (talk) 04:15, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting reading there, thanks. Neonchameleon (talk) 04:42, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Good deal. :) Hopefully you have made a copy of it because I am going to need to delete the page altogether, since we can't even keep copyvio in a page's history. BOZ (talk) 04:54, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course I did, thanks. Neonchameleon (talk) 20:28, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

WP:REFUND
Here it is: User:Neonchameleon/The Laundry. Enjoy. -- Jayron  32  02:26, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Neonchameleon (talk) 09:10, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Huh. Having read it it's about something else entirely (which is one reason I requested userification - that was always a possibility).  Oh well.  I just get to start from scratch. Neonchameleon (talk) 09:11, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Indie RPGs
Hey, I know you are a fan of Indies, so in case you have any sources for Nicotine Girls or Shock: Social Science Fiction, or have a better idea what to do with them, I am letting you know. BOZ (talk) 03:07, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Shock I don't think can be saved - especially not given that the page creator appears to be the designer.  Nicotine Girls has an Indy RPG Award (before Paul Czege qualified to be able to vote) - but Czege is a winner of a Diana Jones award for the excellent My Life With Master (and so might be in Designers with a few lines on Nicotine Girls along with the Indy RPG award).  The game itself is near-trivial and if Czege had a page it would best be put on there.  That might be the best way to handle that one? Neonchameleon (talk) 17:57, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I could start an article on Czege based on what I have in Designers, if you want to do some work to build it up. BOZ (talk) 20:37, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Article started including a major award and two other decent sources. Neonchameleon (talk) 00:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Good job! I will probably not be able to add anything until Monday, but I will remind myself. BOZ (talk) 02:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Answered on your talk page Neonchameleon (talk) 21:26, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Replied on his page -NC

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 * Solid structure, well written, wikified, and even using the proper referencing pattern. Looked pretty decent for a starting article to me.  At least a C and pushing a B under WP:ASSESS which is about as far as individuals can normally take articles on their own.  So yes, the whole thing was good other than the third party reliable sources issue.  Neonchameleon (talk) 03:44, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Talarius gaming system
In December, you PRODded this, and I deleted it. Undeletion has now been requested on my talk page at User talk:JohnCD, wher you can see the advice I gave its proprietor. Per WP:DEL I have restored it, and I am letting you know in case you want to consider AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:46, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Am doing so. Neonchameleon (talk) 23:41, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Page delete
Pls see South Coastal Railway Zone, is there any issue with that page, even the time has expired, not deleted?--Vin09 (talk) 11:49, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * All I can think is that no admin's got round to it yet. (I'm not one).  Shouldn't be much longer but they aren't deleted instantly after expiring. Neonchameleon (talk) 16:51, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

kill puppies for satan
This one seems like it would interest you - do you have any sources that would improve this one? I looked in Designers & Dragons and although Appelcline does talk a lot about indie games, he does not mention this one. BOZ (talk) 01:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * None that would let it pass wp:N. Puppies the first RPG Vincent Baker tried selling and in the twelve years since it was first published has sold around 500 copies (excluding cases where it was bought as a bundle) - and over half those seem to be sold on the strength of the excellent Dogs in the Vineyard.  Best thing I can think of to do for the page is turn it into a redirect to Vincent Baker and add a sentence or two about each of his games. Neonchameleon (talk) 01:59, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * That would probably be better than deleting it outright. BOZ (talk) 03:13, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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