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Annie Lee Cooper
Hello. By the time I got to the Woodstock article I was half-a-million strong. Would you like to pitch in a few or couple hundred edits on an 'Annie Lee Cooper' page. The good Captain and I talked of working on it, and I just threw up a few lines in my sandbox where Captain suggested we organize it from. Doesn't have to be a full detailed article to be put into main space, so we could just get it into some kind of shape. I bet hundreds of people tried to find an article on her when they read about Oprah Winfrey playing her, so if we do a good stub at first that should be fine. Thanks. Randy Kryn 16:06 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Have you read the earliest NYT article on Cooper? It's pretty good, and has a striking image (literally, J. Clark in the act.) Copyright issues on the image don't signify - the PDF of the article is so low rez subtitles would be required. One or two additional NYT articles are not of much use. And then there is a Talese profile of J. Clark that illuminates Talese more than J. Clark. If you don't have access, I can scratch out a paragraph or two with a quote and cites; you can make of it what you will. - Neonorange (talk) 16:31, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * P.S. The hotel in Selma is the St. James; right at the bridge. It isn't functioning as a hotel (lacking air conditioning, it'd be a hard sell.) Seems to have fallen on hard times, neighbor damage from Katrina is mentioned. But hey, it's haunted! Perhaps Selma production redo will make it available for the 50th; get your reservations early- oh, that's right, not taking reservations. - Neonorange (talk) 16:40, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Your scratched out paragraphs most welcome. Aw, that was a really nice hotel. I remember meeting Claudette Colvin in its lobby and immediately thanking her and calling her the Mother of the Civil Rights Movement. I thought that that hotel would be the headquarters for a lot happening both at the film shoot and at the 50th, shows how little I know. There was a mummy of a dead someone up the steps from the restaurant, I wonder where that went to. Randy Kryn 17:24 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The St. James is being used for the production - that's why the window air conditioners. - Neonorange (talk) 23:35, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi. Air conditioners? Who needs no stinkin' air conditioners. Man was meant to be dripping sweat and pounds in Mother Nature's natural sauna. I did a stub-like creation for Annie Lee Cooper and, as you can see by the sky-blue of its link, have mainspaced it. Please, have at it, make it glow like the sun. I wonder how many people looked for a page with that name after Oprah was announced as playing her. I won't make the Selma shoot, although I tried. I better write you a note. Randy Kryn 12:50 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * p.s. An editor left a release date of January 9, 2015, for the film. And a thought, if you attend next week, could you maybe consider grabbing a few good outside pics and maybe some inside photos of the National Voting Rights Museum? That would really help the page. Captain put an infobox on the Annie Lee Cooper page, and maybe some joker can put a picture of Oprah in it! Randy Kryn 19:48 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do plan on being in Selma. I will get some additional images, including the voting rights museum. If you have some additional image suggestions, please drop me an email. By the way, there is an iconic image of J. Clark in the act of striking the blow. Fair Use may be possibility; the image is in the NYT article, but the quality in the PDF is too poor to be helpful. - Neonorange (talk) 02:56, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * email just sent. Someone I know has a picture of Cooper which may be usable, but it's from when she was very old. Lots of the civil rights folk have reached nice ages. Look t Joseph Lowery, and he just keeps getting better. Enjoy the trip, and I hope you have as much fun as is humanly possible. Randy Kryn 13:27 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Fannie Lou Hamer article
Hello. You reverted out an edit I made, simply adding material to an already existent statement in the Fannie Lou Hamer article. The honorary induction into the sorority was already in the article before I touched it. --- Wikiklrsc (talk) 18:57, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, and thank you for adding the 'Death' section and moving the honorary induction to the appropriate section. I edited the awards section, wikifying an award and the sorority. I also removed the fact about the sorority foundation date; that fact is extraneous to the article, and can now be found by clicking on the link. I believe the 'Honors and awards' section lacks high quality sources; it'd be great if you could help find better sources to cite for the awards. Also, I just looked a the 'Columbia College' wiki-link in the section, it is ambiguous, so that needs correction also. The 'Legacy' section needs a lot of work. The 'Death' section could also use a sentence or two about her burial site. Hope we can work together on this article. - Neonorange (talk) 20:18, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind reply. It looks better. Thanks. I'll do what I can on the article. Best. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 04:32, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the extremely quick work! The book you cited (from google books) looks interesting; I'll try to get access. - Neonorange (talk) 23:43, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. I found the book to be extremely interesting -- in her own words throughout. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 04:48, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

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LZ 129 Hindenburg citation
Hello Neonorange.

Why did you remove the needed citation on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZ_129_Hindenburg? RADOFINS and ECNALI (talk) 20:04, 13 August 2014 (UTC) Please reply — Preceding unsigned comment added by RADOFINS and ECNALI (talk • contribs) 21:58, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I removed your edit for two reasons (as given in the edit summary.
 * The citation was placed as a bare URL in the article text and was visible to a user. Templates are available for proper citation form that show a bracketed number in the article text, with the citation information in the 'References' section. For a newspaper citation, more than the URL is necessary; publisher, work, author, story title, date published, and date retrieved are also needed. I notice you have made an improvement so that the bare URL is no longer visible, but the additional information is necessary.
 * The source you use seems problematic; the column is in the form of what, I suppose, are meant to be answers to reader questions. The Hindenburg question does not seem to be serious "Question: Why did the Germans have the daffy idea of filling the Hindenburg with highly flammable hydrogen instead of much safer helium?". This is followed by "Question: Why do we get pimples and why do dermatologists insist we shouldn't pop them?"


 * Wikipedia has a suggested process: Boldly make an edit; the edit is Reverted; Discuss the information on the article talk page. I suggest you self-revert your change. If you wish to improve the article by inserting a high quality cite, I can make some suggestions for you, or I can place one myself. The question is more complex than the source you found would suggest. I intended to place such a cite myself, but thought it best to remove the user visible bare URL as quickly as possible.
 * - Neonorange (talk) 02:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

ok Thanks for telling me!RADOFINS and ECNALI (talk) 20:04, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

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My name is Gabriel Mugar and I am conducting interviews for my dissertation research about newcomers to Wikipedia. Since you have been around Wikipedia for a few months, I would like to chat with you about your experience so far. The interview will last for about 1 hour and I will compensate your time with a $10 gift certificate to either the Wikipedia store or Amazon, your choice. If you are interested in knowing more about the interview, please email me at gmugar [at] syr.edu or leave a message on my talk page

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Ping, decapitalization attempt on all the Civil Rights Movement articles
This is a ping because you've been involved in editing the popular culture page. There is a major attempt at Talk:African-American Civil Rights Movement (1954–68), at the bottom of the page, to uncapitalize the name to 'African American civil rights movement' on five pages. Please come by and have a look, thanks. Randy Kryn 17:38 27 December, 2014 (UTC)
 * There is some particular material I'd like to re-read before commenting on the issue, Until then, or in two days, which ever comes first, I want to hold off. Until then,
 * the number of times either form is used—it is not a vote—it is how knowlingly the descriptive phrase is used
 * when the phrase was used—was it used in the domain of the journalist, or the historian
 * the use of capitalization is not mechanical—it encodes meaning—and should not be invoked—one way or another—without thorough discussion

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Intelligence: Culture part
The part i deleted is a new added part, the citations are not right, and the text is totally nonsense.. Try reading it. I did not delete it to be a sockpuppet.ParanoidLemmings (talk) 10:55, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * We are all sockpuppets, in the bigger scheme of things. Sayeth the scriptures and the philosophers. Sorry, couldn;t resist. Randy Kryn 13:44 30 December, 2014 (UTC)
 * @: the form of the inline citations in the section you've removed twice is acceptable for use in Wikipedia. However, the rest of information must be listed in the reference, once for each work. And whatever style citation used in starting and article should be continued.
 * I've seen the source material before, I think calling it 'totally nonsense' is harsh and untrue.
 * Finally, 'sockpuppet', 'sock' for short, is used in Wikipedia to mean an against-the-rules account operated by a user to, for example, post either !votes or 'straw man' arguments, or personal attacks, or hoaxes. The operator of such accounts is known as a 'puppetmaster'. I'm sure you're neither one. — Neonorange (talk) 05:23, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

You well I just recommending reading through the part i deleted.. The content just dont seem to be related to Intelligence. It even talk about herbal medicine lol. But anyway should i reverse my delete and start a debate on the discussio page?ParanoidLemmings (talk) 09:38, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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Movement in popular culture
Hi. Because there are so many cultural listings for the Civil Rights Movement of 1954-1968 I renamed the page to just include those. Your change would have brought in all the slavery movies, already covered at List of films featuring slavery and many other depictions outside of this movement, which is covered on Wikipedia as a single 'event', like the Civil War, or World War II, which is why the name was kept capitalized recently. It's as important as the American or French Revolution in the scope of societal changes which occurred. We should have an expanded See also on the page, to include the earlier years and the slavery film list, but keeping it to this unprecedented 14 year event adheres to its proper place in American and world history. I'll send an email on Selma in the next couple of hours or so. Randy Kryn 14:44 13 February, 2014 (UTC)
 * Good! Even leaner. I should have though about that aspect. — Neonorange (talk) 16:07, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I see the contribution as ongoing, and not in the past alone, so contribute. — Neonorange (talk) 21:05, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No, you (smiley face here). I may have lost your email if you sent one, I saw one possibly from you in my spam folder (which may have eaten other emails), tried to move it, and it popped into nothingness. Did you get mine a few days ago, and was that your answer? If so, please resend and I'll get it into my inbox and not the spam section. Thanks. Randy Kryn 11:54 17 February, 2015 (UTC)
 * Rumor is you have an email. Randy Kryn 14:11 2 March, 2015 (UTC)

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Bloody Sunday
I'm having a problem with User:Heyyouoverthere. While this person makes a valid point on my talk page about the term not being used 50 years ago for what happened 50 years ago in Selma, this is a valid addition to the Bloody Sunday page. This person neither created a heading nor signed a message on my talk page, and blanked his/her talk page after I posted there. This to me indicates someone not really worth listening to, and my guess is the dispute would be resolved in my favor. You seem to be on my side based on your edits to that page. So far Heyyouoverthere has not reverted me again, though it's possible either of us would be in violation of WP:3RR if we did anything now.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:55, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I take offense when people add info and cite their opinion, some they saw or heard or this to me Blanked my talk page....that's right, my talk.  I did not request your opinion or views, only that you cite factual information within articles.  Key word is factual.   Heyyouoverthere (talk) 21:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Of course we want facts in articles, but this is just a list, and we have a justification for including this entry in a list. I checked the history of Bloody Sunday (1965) and it has been there for more than ten years. Several years ago it was made a redirect to a larger article. So you would have to convince a lot of people. For a disambiguation page, I think you just want the possibility people will come there and look.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:44, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * @: I find it difficult to understand your actions or your statements.
 * was quite polite in his edit summary when he added Bloody Sunday (1965) back to the disambiguation page after you had deleted it. Your reason for deleting the previous version is not valid; while citations of material that can be easily be seen by anyone on the Internet, it is not required (see WP:RS.
 * You blanked your own talk page, the record is there in the page history.


 * Now you are following Vchimpanzee to my talk page, and I am glad you did. I am not going to blank your post here; I see it as an indication that you are not here to build an encyclopedia, but rather to insist on your particular viewpoint, a viewpoint not supported by any sources. The material you removed is supported by two cites to a reliable source; you may not remove material supported by reliable sources. The term "Bloody Sunday", referring to the violent suppression of the March 7, 1965 Civil Rights March at the Edmund Pettus Bridge, was in use by March 11, 1965. You have also removed this material from Selma to Montgomery marches without discussion. Please self-revert and bring your concerns to Talk:Selma to Montgomery marches. — Neonorange (talk) 01:32, 11 March 2015 (UTC)


 * @, you have been more than polite, and have more patience than I do. Thank you for your admirable try at resolving this situation. I think it is best to take this discussion to the talk page at Selma to Montgomery marches where a discussion has already been started about this material. — Neonorange (talk) 01:32, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Homage to King
Hello stranger in a stranger land. Do you know if anyone has a good and useable picture of the Homage to King statue, which is in Atlanta, Georgia? Quite an interesting sculpture. Thanks. Randy Kryn 15:34 14 March, 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe this Sunday, if the light is suitable. — Neonorange (talk) 19:18, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * That sounds really good. A pic of this statue is one of the CRM artworks missing from Wikipedia. Have you seen a picture of the one in Indianapolis, with Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King leaning out reaching for each other (at least that's how I'm remembering it, it's listed on the King template). Randy Kryn 1:17 15 March, 2015 (UTC)
 * On a slightly related note, I thought you may have an interest in a name change discussion going on at the talk page of Martin Luther King's dad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Martin_Luther_King_Sr.#Requested_move_4_March_2015, Randy Kryn 4:46 17 March, 2015 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be neat to assemble a list of all streets named in his honor, with pictures including the street sigh? —Neonorange (talk) 05:00, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Could you give me a hand in improving an article on radio station WERD, the first African American owned and operated station in the U.S.? The studio was on the floor above King's office in Atlanta, and the story goes that he would bang on the ceiling to ask to make community announcements, and the DJ would lower a microphone by its cable to the window below. Neat story, huh? — Neonorange (talk) 05:00, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Pictures of all the street signs, I'm on it (tiptoes backwards from room slowly, runs to the hills sans camera). You seem to have done a good job with WERD (what a werd name for a radio station, but you've heard that a million times), so any additions I make will just be in word flow and section names. I didn't know King had a real office in Atlanta, assumed his office was at his church. So this SCLC, office itself is very historical. Does the Masonic building still exist which housed King's office and the radio station? Randy Kryn 11:25 17 March, 2015 (UTC)
 * I read all the discussion on the jr. thing. What a colossal waste of human potential (and my time). There will always be people who have such a narrow focus that they will grind down any reasonable opposition. I am of the descriptive rather than the prescriptive school. Signed by Neonorange, Jr. on the 17th of March. — Neonorange (talk) 18:12, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Dear Neonorange, Jr. I am of the opinion that no human endeavor or argument wastes the time of the humans involved in it. Within each stupid squabble are germs of truth, germs which must be sanitized and cleansed before they spread. If one or two commas should be used, or if one or no comma surfices - these are things which men and women of great humility and diplomacy fervor over in an endless round of "wha????", and on which even the soundest treaties between mighty nations rise or fall. To comma or not to comma, that is the question, and from hence whist cometh much wisdom and discernment, maybeth. And Happy St. Patrick, Jr. Day to you. Randy Kryn 18:28 17 March, 2015 (UTC)
 * What do we see, graved in marble or granite, or cast in bronze—massed in fields and plots, but ,Jr. and ,Sr. but never ,III after the names of our fathers? The trailing comma can only be from a literal interpretation of jr. as the phrase John Doe,(junior to), . Yet all our official documents, drivers' licenses, passports, death certificates, W2s... how are we styled Therin? Neonorange, Jr. —Neonorange (talk) 18:49, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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 * Strange, I removed claims lacking reliable sources, as required for biographies of living people.
 * 'connected with Scientology': the information is not in cited source; 'New Zeal' is a blog, and as such is not considered a reliable source for encyclopedic articles in Wikipedia
 * 'dedicated· to· exposing· the covert activities of American politicians': see above
 * 'New Zealand League of Rights': 'the New Zealand League of Rights': see above

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Restoring old warning messages on 207.191.126.34
Hi, can I have an explanation of why you restored the old warnings on User talk:207.191.126.34 after I deleted them? I am talking about the old warnings from as early as 2012, and my intentions to remove the old stale warnings was that I was cleaning the page; page history is available for those who would like to view stale warnings. For a public IP address (school, library, etc.), the talk page can get crowded. NHRHS2010  RIP M.H. (1994-2014)  13:58, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure. Thanks for asking.
 * Essentially I reverted to make it easier for everyone who may come across unconstructive edits from this IP. I think the utility of the entire list outweighs the utility of 'cleaning the page'. I have no objection to shortening the list, but enough should be left to give an idea of the size of the problem.
 * You removed all the posts on the page but one, the first post under April 2015; plus you removed the second message under April 2015, a post I had made, a vandalism warning for edits to the Wikipedia article John Steinbeck. And then you put in a warning duplicating my post, but without links. In my view, it is helpful when picking a vandalism warning level to see the history of warnings for unconstructive or vandalism edits issuing from the IP. Packing the warnings into an archive makes them less accessible—it is an extra, unnecessary step for a Wikipedia editor, and for any school official, etc.—it is an unnecessary barrier to understanding the problem. — Neonorange (talk) 18:03, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. I was confused because when I restored the warnings on my own high school's talk page 2007 (8 years ago) after the old warnings from as early as 2004 seemed to disappear, one of the administrators informed me that the old, outdated warnings are stale and therefore requested me not to restore old warnings. No accusations are being made here. We are entitled to our opinions. Also, duplicating your warning and removing your second message under April 2015 was unintentional, please excuse any confusion relating to that. NHRHS2010   RIP M.H. (1994-2014)  20:58, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I am certainly not experienced in fighting vandalism, but feel more comfortable leaving warnings when I have more information. I watch a number of American novelist articles. John Steinbeck vandalism seem to track high school american literature class study schedules—students have Steinbeck reading assignments—some express opposition to required reading by editing Wikipedia articles. — Neonorange (talk) 18:41, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah I have been on Wikipedia since 2007. I fight vandalism for fun (which, of course, is helpful for Wikipedia). I have been on and off of Wikipedia. For more information on removing/reverting vandalism, Cleaning up vandalism is helpful. It's great that you have a certain topic that you are interested in and contribute to Wikipedia articles with topic of your choice. NHRHS2010   RIP M.H. (1994-2014)  12:25, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

College Football Hall of Fame on Georgia Museum page
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Thanks for editing my post on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_museums_in_Georgia_(U.S._state)#Museums. I really thing people can benefit from being aware of the College Football Hall of Fame. Are there any recommendation on how I can beef up the description area without sounding promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrmarketology (talk • contribs) 03:29, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank, not me; that is the editor who fixed your edit, making it suitable for Wikipedia. You added the College Football Hall of Fame to a list, so a single line is appropriate—no more. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a marketing tool. Wikipedia depends on material from reliable third-party sources to establish notability and provide verifiability. Persuasive or marketing material is not appropriate. Wikipedia also has terms of use that require disclosure of editing for hire. It is also strongly encouraged that anyone with a conflict of interest not directly edit article pages, but work through discussion on article talk pages. — Neonorange (talk) 05:14, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I noticed that some of the listings had a link back to the official website. What is the policy on that? Would adding that in for more information be acceptable or frowned upon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrmarketology (talk • contribs) 16:02, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Official website—the short answer is pretty much yes. The long answer is this. — Neonorange (talk) 17:57, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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Correcting Selma to Montgomery
Thank you for catching my error on the date that Henri Nouwen went to Montgomery. I am new to the contributing side of Wikipedia. I will be more careful next time. It is nice to know how quickly errors can get corrected. I watched a documentary about Henri Nouwen that stated he participated in the actual March. I am going to try and dig a little deeper. Anyway, cheers to you. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paekchong (talk • contribs) 12:06, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying. It was not your error; I'd put it down to a transcription problem at the website—or perhaps in the source the website creators used. I'm sure you can find a better source that will have correct dates (the source you used seems to indicate Nouwen drove Sunday night to Selma—set in motion by the events of 'Bloody Sunday', I think. That would put him in Selma in time for the second march, 'Turnaround Tuesday'. He had come because he felt the need to support the struggle, even before the second march was planned. (just my supposition as to the actual sequence of events, but may be of help in finding a correct source)
 * I consider myself new at Wikipedia also. I picked up the problem in the source because I have contributed to Selma to Montgomery marches before, have it on my watchlist, and am somewhat familiar with the timeline. Thanks for presenting another chance for me to contribute. If you ever need help with Wikipedia, please post a message here, I will try to aid you, or at least point you towards a Wikipedia resource. — Neonorange (talk) 02:10, 2 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I contacted the people who run the website I had previously linked and apparently the error runs back to the publisher. I was sent a free copy of the book that accounts Nouwen's participation in the March.  Thanks for pointing out the discrepancy, you got me a free book out of it. ;)  I updated the reference to refer to the book since that gives a more detailed account.  Apparently started for Selma on the 21st but wasn't able to actually march until the rode widened and more than 300 could participate. (talk) 04:09, 6 May 2015 (UTC) Paekchong

Recent edit to Fannie Lou Hamer
Hello, I think you meant to delete the most recent addition to this article, in fact you restored it. I removed it again. Feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. Thank you! <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b> (talk),  08:23, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching that.. clearly editing after four AM does not work out well for me B^( — Neonorange (talk) 08:55, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

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RfC: Guidance on commas after Jr. and Sr.
Following the closure of a recent RfC you participated in, I have started an RfC on the separate but related issue of commas after Jr. and Sr.. Please see  and feel free to comment there. Thanks! —sroc &#x1F4AC; 06:03, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Defending the self-evident?
Frankly, I find it amusing that I'm being asked to defend the notion that Mark Twain was a Southern writer. That's like being asked to "prove" that the Twelve Apostles have some association with Christianity, or that Mongolia is located in Asia. Everyone knows damn well that Clemens/"Twain," was a Southern writer. I'm not sure why you're asserting this to be a matter of controversy, when its not. KevinOKeeffe (talk) 20:39, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It is not necessary for you to defend your position, nor is it necessary to discuss on my talk page. Discussion on the article talk page is sufficient. You have already posted once to the deletion discussion for the category you created—that is sufficient. A concensus at the deletion discussion will or will not be reached. — Neonorange (talk) 22:18, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching my failure to compute the math, I guess I was reading too quickly. HafizHanif (talk) 19:52, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you for bringing this misstep to my attention. You are quite right that speculation of FAS in Stephen King does not conform to guidelines for a living person. I thought that Talk might be a forum to see if others have information on it. I now see that any such research must be done independently of Wikipedia or its talk pages. Many, many people have been exposed to alcohol in the womb and they live full and accomplished lives with no problems, and with no one noticing or speculating. The fact is, though, that King's physiognomy is a veritable checklist for FAS facial markers. (This section was posted to my talk page without sig and date/time stamp.)

Mark Twain
Thank you, I did the math wrong regarding the sister's birth and death years ( six, not three ). I read too fast sometimes. Thanks again! HafizHanif (talk) 19:51, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note—that paragraph is a real thicket, and could use a rewrite—it is easy to misinterpret. — Neonorange (talk) 22:56, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

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Selma writing credit
Just wanted to let you know I started a discussion over at Talk:Selma_(film). --holizz (talk) 10:32, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification. You may find this Wikipedia article, this Wikipedia article, and the cites (34, 35, and 36 at the moment) for the first two sentences in the second paragraph of the development subsection helpful in understanding why Paul Webb received sole writing credit for Selma in the infobox (all of the items the infobox credits come from the film credits as displayed on the film's poster and title credits and end credits). That entire paragraph is devoted to DuVernay's writing contribution, while the infobox contains the official writing credit from the authoritative WP:RS for that information. Hope this helps. — Neonorange (talk) 13:39, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

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I was encouraged by User:Randy Kryn to inquire about your desire to join a work group surrounding the Civil Rights Movement topic. The original goal was to build a list of campaigns/movements that occurred throughout the United States comparable to List of World War II battles. I've only invited Randy and User:Brucehartford.

I am currently creating sandbox pages for localities, adding Template:Infobox civil conflict, adding reliable secondary sources, and any relevant wikipedia articles. For examples, see User:Mitchumch/Mobile movement and User:Mitchumch/Atlanta movement. If you know anyone else that me be interested, then invite them. Mitchumch (talk) 13:47, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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Thank for pointing to the Talk section. I have explained my reasons in the Talk section as to why I think the previous references are not appropriate. If you have a reason why the change should not be made, please present your reasoning in the Talk section rather than simply revert it and state that it wasn't an improvement. Thank you. Newseum (talk) 18:00, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I have replied on the Selma (film) talk page. I am also going to open your talk page and reply there — Neonorange (talk) 18:06, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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