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Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Hosea Williams delivering a speech (capture from US gov National Parks Service "International Civil Rights Walk of Fame" web site.jpg
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CRM in pop culture
Hello stranger. The CRM in popular culture page is looking pretty good. There are still probably some items missing but likely not many. Nice additions. Randy Kryn 14:33 7 April, 2015 (UTC)

Moby-Dick
On 22 January you tried to convince me to reconsider my opinion on certain editors, and now it's my turn to inform you that someone has deleted material including the reference for an item the article got a citation needed tag for last month. So there you go, and I was just stupid enough to pick up editing the article today but I'll leave it to your friends instead. MackyBeth

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Hello
I haven't come by for quite awhile, so 'Hi', and hope all is going well. Still plugging along. What are you working on lately? Randy Kryn 1:52, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Your inquiry warms my heart.
 * What am I working on lately?—Not enough! I am in the process of rebuilding my desktop computer, after three months working almost entirely with an iPad—editing with a touch screen rather than a mouse is painful. I have just been reminded of the Hosea Williams article—would you like to collaborate? I've been thinking about looking at his papers to find pointers to secondary sources. Any suggestions?
 * What are you up to? Doing well, I hope. Just above you can see another Jr., RfD; I guess I take a look—commas are a precious resource and should be conserved. — Neonorange (talk) 10:17, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I've had computer woes, wish you luck with yours. The Jr. thing came and went again, with a close that recommended grandfathering older and feature articles (although some seem to want to think that close never happened). Likely many archives to research on Williams, in Atlanta, in other areas, and maybe Mitchumch and others who work on CRM pages would like to jump in. Haven't looked at that page in awhile, will do so soon. On Wikipedia I've been on italics patrol for a long time, reasoning that italicizing titles and other parts of articles make Wikipedia more professional. A good way to get an overview of what this place contains. Not a romantic project, but as they say, 'Somebody has to do it' and I've taken it on for quite awhile now. More soon, Randy Kryn, Jr. 11:50, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

re Disputed non-free use rationale for :File:Hosea Williams delivering a speech (capture from US gov National Parks Service "International Civil Rights Walk of Fame" web site.jpg
You recently placed the following template on my talk page: " Thank you for uploading File:Hosea Williams delivering a speech (capture from US gov National Parks Service "International Civil Rights Walk of Fame" web site.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale provided for using this file on Wikipedia may not meet the criteria required by Non-free content. This can be corrected by going to the file description page and adding or clarifying the reason why the file qualifies under this policy. Adding and completing one of the templates available from Non-free use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your file is in compliance with Wikipedia policy. Please be aware that a non-free use rationale is not the same as an image copyright tag; descriptions for files used under the non-free content policy require both a copyright tag and a non-free use rationale.

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While the non-free rationale given with up-loaded image does not justify the use of the image in Porsha Williams, the rationale for using this image is fully compliant for its use in the article Hosea Williams. The solution is to remove the image from the Porsha Williams article, not to delete the image completely from Wikipedia. The image has been used in the Hosea Williams article for more than two years; Hosea Williams (1926—2000) was a prominent African American Civil Rights Movement leader and the US Goverment published image fully meets the non-free content criteria for use in the Hosea Williams article. Neonorange (talk) 09:45, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Update: I see that the image is still being used at a 2nd article. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:40, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

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Pending changes reviewing
This reversion you made was not appropriate because you claimed the person added was "unnotable" although since a Wikipedia article was created a long time ago about that person, it is notable. &mdash; Music1201  talk  01:39, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * , thanks for contacting me. The requirement for lists like this is that the person, event, etc. is notable as shown by a blue wiki-link to the subject. I should have been more precise or just made a search instead of depending on the presence of a blue wiki-link. I just searched for Lee Kiseop and found the article. The article is, however, tagged for insufficient sources. You can just re-insert the line, being sure to wiki-link. Please do not just revert because there is was a formatting error also introduced. There is nothing special about my acceptance or rejection of a pending changes edit; it's just a requirement that someone with reviewer rights do so. I generally try to research any pending change I review; I just did no go far enough go in this case. It was very nice of you to notify me with your concern. — Neonorange (talk) 02:25, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

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A day
Since it's posted hither and yon, you probably know there's a comma Jr. discussion at 'Martin Luther King, Jr. Day', where commas are flying left and right. They're like drones, only smaller (for now). Randy Kryn, Jr. 00:33, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

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Two things, no coffee please
Hi. Well, one thing now. There is the start of a discussion at the Civil Rights Movement template talk page, after an attempt to delete the template. Mitch worked on the code and folded the template, which looks very good. An editor who seems to have little knowledge of the movement wants to cut the template drastically, and has reversed Mitch's very good folded entry. Should be a long discussion, and I hope you can join in throughout. Will get to the second thing when I have more written. Randy Kryn 10:54, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Alice Walker
I'd appreciate a second eye on the rest of those edits I approved on this article. Meters (talk) 21:11, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I will take a look. I was in the process of reviewing the four edits, starting with the earliest two, which were fine. For the last two I would have done as you did. I looked at the three sources-in-a-row after the lizard thing—the three sources have essentially the same word-for-word content, and have no mention of "Jewish Illuminati", so this is a double down on putting 'words in a subject's mouth'. (I'm not sure what happened with our reviews—maybe I forgot to advertize—but at least the results would have been the same B^{) — Neonorange (talk) 21:24, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yup. I saw the same thing with those sources. I always have a tough time when there are multiple pending edits piles up. I'm not sure if it's a deficiency in the interface or with me not understanding how to do it properly. Meters (talk) 21:34, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * , I found a major problem with The Guardian quote in the first paragraph in the new Criticism section; I added a fuller quote to give it context and more accurately reflect what Walker actually wrote. Now I notice redundancies in the two sections, the newly added criticism section and the existing Activism section. One person needs to comb through the two sections—perhaps to bring it back into one section, since none of the current criticism would exist without the activism, and thus the whole Ickes thing might be WP:UNDUE. — Neonorange (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I( agree that there is a problem here. It seems the coverage is somewhat slanted to give the impression she agrees with him, rather than that she thinks the material is interesting and that she supports his writing it. Big difference. Unfortunately I will not be able to rework it until tomorrow (thunderstorms in area). Meters (talk) 00:55, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

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Hindenburg logotype
hello Neonorange, thank you for your edits/comments. I updated the logotype based on the images here --> http://www.typografie.info/3/topic/30940-der-hindenburg-schriftzug/

Maybe one of those photos would be a better add to the page?

I'm building my own model Hindenburg and wanted a graphic that would be authentic. I created the logotype svg graphic because the prior one on the page was abysmally poor (it looked to be a photo of a decal applied to a model kit). The version now very close (imho), but as you said, it's admittedly not 100% accurate because it's a recreation.

I'm open to any suggestions. Thanks. SK — Preceding unsigned comment added by SistineKid (talk • contribs) 03:19, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * , thanks for you note—it is a model for the collaborative nature Wikipedia should embody. I looked at the images at the link you posted. The first image (Georg Wagners Entwurf für den Hindenburg-Schriftzug) would be ideal since it combines several types of information (designing the logotype, producing a guide for painting the airship's name, a step in construction). The image would, of course, need to have no copyright restrictions. There are Wikipedians who have great skill in copyright clearances—you or I could ask for help. Another idea for illustration could be an image of an advertisement (flyer, newspaper, magazine) or ticket that shows the logo. That would have multiple advantages—relatively high resolution, accurate depiction of the logo, image of an artifact associated with the airship.
 * Please post an image of your Hindenburg on your talk page! Phil — Neonorange (talk) 15:54, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * PS When you post on a talk page, add four ~ in a row (no spaces) and your message will be automatically signed and date; also,, your IP address will not be exposed. P — Neonorange (talk) 15:54, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Hemingway
Hi, I wanted to stop by and thank you for pulling curating duty on Hemingway in my absence. I haven't fully decided whether or not to return to editing (I'm enjoying being gone too much!), but I have finally managed to take a look at the article and see that it's disintegrated a lot. In fairness, it's been deteriorating for a while, but it seems to me that there have been a lot of changes since I had to stop editing. I'm considering a full rewrite and wouldn't refuse any help or suggestions you might have. Victoria (tk) 02:21, 18 June 2016 (UTC) P.s - I've pulled out a lot of material added since I stopped editing, and wondered if you could have a look at the edits I've made there, just to have another opinion. The material I removed was based on sourcing issues (not up to standard with FA sourcing for such an article), or because I thought it material not necessarily germane to the biography, better for the subarticles and to link into the biography. I'm hoping there won't be complaints on the talk page. Victoria (tk) 03:20, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * , thank you for your generous note. I will pay close attention to your suggestions. I will enjoy watching your rewrite, and hope to make some minor contributions.
 * I have watched the internal processes of Wikipedia the past few months—and language has eaten itself comes to mind. Thank you for continuing to contribute. — Neonorange (talk) 15:23, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'm in and out, more out that in these days, so it will be a very slow rewrite. Victoria (tk) 23:47, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Comma
The comma wars have come to the main Martin Luther King, Jr. talk page. Interesting Hemingway discussion above, I'll check it out. Randy Kryn 12:10, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Langston Hughes other media
Hi,

Thanks for taking the time to review my addition to the Langston Hughes page concerning "Harlem Mosaics." As I mentioned in the talk section, I am the author of the novel, and wanted to make that clear from the outset. If it is against Wikipedia policy to put up mention of one's own work, then I am happy to offer my apologies and leave it at that.

However, if I can make a case for the novel's cultural legitimacy despite the unfortunate lack of professional reviews (as you can imagine, it's very difficult to get professional reviews for a self-published novel about the Harlem Renaissance), I'd at least like to try. The first case I'd make for it is that my novel has a preface by Marc Primus, who knew Hughes and Hurston personally, and has even been invited by National Public Radio in New York City to speak on the very theme which my novel concerns. See the following links: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ8LsWRcM8c and https://vimeo.com/36993070

Futhermore, I was invited to speak about the subject and do a reading by the very well established Eatonville, Restaurant (Now Mulebone Restaurant) in Washington, DC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ZugutrewE

Thirdly, I was asked to do a reading of the novel by the very well established German-American Center in Stuttgart, Germany this past spring for their "American Days" festival: http://americandays.org/events/lets-read/

Therefore, while I understand your concerns, I do think -- or at least hope -- that mention of my work has some cultural value beyond pure self-promotion.

Thanks again for your time,

Whit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitfrazier (talk • contribs) 16:46, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Books & Bytes - Issue 18
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Rollback granted
Hi Neonorange. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ANeonorange enabled] rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback: If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! ~ Rob 13 Talk 14:13, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
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Jack London
Hi Neonorange. [I lost the original composition of this text, due to an internet break, so this is a reconstitution, not as 'perfect' as the original]

I was tempted to ignore your message and the whole issue as I feel that when one seeks dialogue you enter into it with sincere intent, but not by first reverting. Having first reverted already tells me that this is the version that you want to prevail. But that is now closed, it could have been an honest oversight, we are all guilty or victim of those from time to time, so, no hard feelings.

To the matter at hand, firstly, this is not a defence of a specific position, it is more on an illustrative text on the difficulties of defining what is a short story. There is no definite rule to define what constitutes a short story. There are a number of elements and characterists that in various combinations are used in an attempt to define boundaries between the different lengths of prose fiction and based on those to build up a corpus of (non-fiction) work, critique, studies etc. to describe the short story as a genre. As this set of parameters evolves, so newer short stories tend to converge towards the mean, contributing to a clearer separation between the short story and the novel. However, the two often still conflate or straddle whatever boundaries there are. Which forces any attempts at categorisation to rely on arbitrary conventions, often nuanced and entertaining exceptions on various grounds or even 'creating' new categories when a work resists pigeon-holing, such as The Old Man and the Sea, described here in the Wikipedia as a "short novel", albeit that a category for works loosely falling between a short story and a novel — the novella — exists. Franz Kafka's The Metamorphosis and The Death of Ivan Ilyich are described as novellas. On the other hand, Billy Budd is described here in the Wikipedia as a short novel, a novella and a novel. Interestingly, I Heard the Owl Call My Name is here and there on the internet called a novel, but in most cases referred to simply as "a book" by Margaret Craven. St Mawr and The Virgin and the Gypsy are both described here as "a short novel (or novella)"

The convention of resorting to inverted commas to differentiate between the two genres arises from the need to distinguish between titles and secondary titles when a work encloses smaller sub-units, such as in anthologies. Examples would be Goodbye, Columbus, by Philip Roth, containing — besides the eponymous tale — the short stories "Defender of the Faith", "The Conversion of the Jews", "Epstein", etc.. Therefore, works such as Goodbye, Columbus and The Country of the Blind and Other Stories would contain individual stories called "Goodbye, Columbus" and "The Country of the Blind".

Given the above exposition, I changed the titles from "Title of Book" to Title of Book because they are independent works, published on their own, not anthologies, not reprints of serialised works in newpapers. If my interpretation is wrong, then I have no problem accpeting it. I would however, for my own edification, welcome additional voices if you can rally such, to come to bear on this discussion.

Regards and looking forward to future rewarding collaboration, Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 13:43, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 19
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Re:2020 Football at the Olympics
I am sorry for reverting those. Sometimes I just jump to conclusions. Anyway, the redirect is actually a good idea looking at the article's history. The Ninja5 Empire ( Talk ) 04:14, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

List of African-American firsts (and Dave Benton)
I completely agree with you. I wanted to delete it myself, but from what I could see it predated the previous editor and I didn't feel like getting into a big thing. But I absolutely agree with your reasoning, and I would certainly support its removal. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:44, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Dave Benton
I do agree to an extent on Dave Benton, as the Eurovision Song Contest is a European event rather than an American event; However, he was also from Aruba and had lived in New York City for a time according to his page, so he could be considered an African-American and therefore be considered a first for an African-American. If I am wrong, correct me, but I do believe he should be on the list as it is a notable achievement in general to win that. --PootisHeavy (talk) 01:13, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Quoting from the lede of the list:
 * This has a specific meaning in the U.S. because of institutionalized enslavement of Africans in the U.S. led to continued discrimination after the abolition of slavery and after the passage of various civil rights acts. Europe, in general, did not have institutionalized slavery of Africans, and certainly never had the extensive system that developed in the Southern United States. In Europe, some countries were colonizers, and developed barriers based on that type for national oppression. The "barriers" for African Americans in the U.S. are remnants of the institution of slavery. The requirement for inclusion in the list is that the accomplishment break a barrier to full participation for African Americans in the U.S. Winning the Eurovison Contest does not materially affect barriers in the U.S. If you scan the entries in this list you'll find that all of the entries are either accomplishments in the U.S. or by Olympians who are members of a U.S. team (see Jesse Owens). As far as Dave Benton, the question of whether or not he is an African American does not arise. According to his Wikipedia article, he spent perhaps twenty years in the U.S. after his twentieth birthday. The article does not characterize his nationality—he'd be the best source.


 * I'm not trying to plead American exceotionalism here, in the sense of a special mission. I am saying that institutionalized slavery of black Africans in the U.S., the formation of an African-American nationality in the U.S., and the continuing barriers to full participation do make this list exceptional.


 * If you'd like to continue this discussion, my I suggest that it all be moved to your talk page, my talk page, or the article talk page? — Neonorange (talk) 02:30, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Firstly, if there is any continued discussion, then it'd preferably be here, but importantly, I was just wondering why Mr. Benton was removed from the page. Thank you for the answer! --PootisHeavy (talk) 04:07, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


 * The U.S. component is critical, since an African-American doing something first in Sweden or in France isn't bucking the institutionalized barriers created by American slavery. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:31, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer - RfC
Hi. You are invited to comment at a further discussion on the implementation of this user right to patrol and review new pages that is taking place at New pages patrol/RfC on patrolling without user right. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:35, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Just want to say...
...that this is beautiful phrasing you used at that anon IP's 3RR report — you spoke with understanding and you were explicative and to-the-point yet diplomatic. "It would be impossible without the policies and guidelines for so many people to work together. You can turn this into a good learning experience and pathway to helping build the world's largest and most consulted encyclopedia."

I hope you don't mind if I use it or a variant in the rare instances where this needs to be explained. I literally could not have put it better myself. With great regards, --Tenebrae (talk) 17:20, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'd like to more actively contribute to Wikipedia, and plan to gather explanations of Wikipedia mores and policies from editors I respect. I hope you'll allow me the use of your words also. — Phil — Neonorange (talk) 20:43, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Season's Greetings!
Happy Holidays text.png Hello : Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Tenebrae (talk) 09:25, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Second Life Museum of Nuclear Warfare
Greetings,

This museum is an experiment designed to test the functionality and practicality of the virtual world as an educational platform. Also show promise in paving the way for accessible museum environments designed to cater to individuals with physical disabilities. I invite you to visit it in the Second Life Virtual World. (www.secondlife.com).

http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Xemia/69/222/22

Thanks so much for your interest in our institution! :) Otaku155 (talk) 08:32, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia appreciates your edits that help to build an encyclopedia. However, adding an experiment at Second Life Virtual World seems to be promotional, not encyclopedic content. The citation you give does not point to the subject, just the home page of the project. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable and the sources must be independent. You use the phrase "Thanks so much for your interest in our institution!" This phrase implies that you have a connection with the project, and have a conflict of interest. Please read WP:COI. — Neonorange (talk) 08:53, 8 January 2017 (UTC)


 * WP:COI states that COI is an assessment of the situation, and has no bearing on the integrity of the individual making the contribution. The institution is real and the information added to the article is truthful; should this not resolve the matter? I am asking this question with the goal in mind of making wiki content better for everyone. :) Otaku155 (talk) 18:14, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The opening paragraphs of the guideline WP:COI state
 * Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships. Any external relationship can trigger a conflict of interest.[a] That someone has a conflict of interest is a description of a situation, not a judgment about that person's opinions or integrity.[b]


 * COI editing is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. It undermines public confidence, and risks causing public embarrassment to the individuals being promoted. If such editing causes disruption, an administrator may opt to place blocks on the involved accounts.
 * I do not think I can explain the guideline any better. You yourself repeated a statement from this section. It is a judgement of the situation, not of you. Please recognize this. Wikipedia is a collaborative process involving thousands of editors, most of whom never meet face-to-face. This means certain principles, guidelines, and policies are necessary to build a pleasant working environment in which to build a reliable encyclopedia build by editors who have no COIs. It appears that you do have a connection with the virtual museums for which you advocate. Wikipedia is not a place for advocacy. — Neonorange (talk) 22:49, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Re
If you believe that Cynulliad3 is related to Motivação, and the evidence is strong enough, you might want to open an SPI. Thanks, GABgab 18:04, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the note. I'd noticed the similarities for several days—you did the heavy lifting. — Neonorange (talk) 03:38, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 20
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Hello
Have you seen this one (History of computing hardware)? I haven't read much of it yet, but thought of you. Randy Kryn 13:05, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Bill Belichick
My understanding is that when listing a high school for an individual, the last school attended applies. Phillips was a high school, and he attended, specifically as a high school, in hopes of improving his college chances. That makes Phillips his final high school. The fact that he'd attended (and graduated) from another high school earlier does not change the fact that his final high school was Phillips. Tarl N. ( discuss ) 06:40, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * , it's an interesting question. I had just earlier in the day reviewed a pending change that replaced Andover with Annapolis, accepting the change. Here's my thinking:


 * What is the intention of the 'High school' parameter in Template:Infobox NFL biography? My conclusion is that the intention is to show the it as part of the playing career of the subject. It doesn't make sense to show the high school that prominently for the academic information.
 * Andover (in the Wikipedia article, anyway) is described with "is a co-educational university-preparatory school for boarding and day students in grades 9–12, along with a post-graduate (PG) year." My assumption is that Belichick's high school is the four years leading to a high school diploma. His year at Andover had the purpose of getting into more selective college that his grades from Annapolis H.S. would have allowed.
 * Belichick NFL career is entirely as a coach, not a player.
 * Best solution—eliminate the 'High school' parameter for this particular biographical article, it isn't meaningful in the context of his career.
 * I'm pretty sure I don't want to dig any deeper, and I'm fine with whatever you may decide. — Neonorange (Phil) 12:54, 27 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm good with your best solution. I agree it's not meaningful, and this avoids the perpetual back-and-forth on it. I'll do that later today (have to rush out right now). Tarl N.  ( discuss ) 16:59, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Neonorange/global.js


Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice that the page you created, Neonorange/global.js, was tagged as a test page under section G2 of the criteria for speedy deletion and has been or soon may be deleted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Kevin12xd 11:20, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The page was a .js file for use with TemplateScript; I forgot to place 'User:' before 'Neonorange/global.js'. It wasn't a test page, just a misnamed page which caused it to appear in the wrong name space. I've moved the page to the correct namespace. (You might want to avoid canned notifications—or better yet, recognize java script). Any way, your notification let me correct my error mor quickly than otherwise. — Neonorange (talk) 12:23, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

FYI
Hi,

You reverted on of my edits that I am working at User:CaroleHenson/sandbox2 - due to an unhappy editor who was going and removing all of her added images, some of which has been worked by other editors to be formatted correctly.

Your edit], reverting my clean-up is fine, though. I won't change it. I just wanted to let you know what's going on. I'm not the blocked user.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:09, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * yes I just read the train wreck at elisa.rolle's talk page, but after reverting your edit to remove the image. It's good of you to work on fitting each each image in harmony with the rest of the layout. The initial edit placing the building image in the Hemingway article was, I thought, problematic—too bright and sunny for the overall graphic tone, and too large. Especially since the section heading was 'Idaho and suicide'. The caption bothered me too. I Googled the address and found [Hemingway's rental just sold]. I did not feel strongly enough to open a discussion with the editor who had made the image, so I saw a chance to quietly delete. Which I did, without looking at new version that does work. — Neonorange (Phil) 18:12, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
 * (attempt to get a ping) — Neonorange (Phil) 18:23, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks! It's all good. I hadn't thought of the image looking too sunny.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:24, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 21
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Thanks, though I only just noticed it as you broke the notification. For it to work you have to include it at the same time as signing; if it’s broken and you re-do it you have to sign again. Seems odd, but the notification system uses on the signature to fill in the 'who mentioned' bit of a notification.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 21:52, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 22
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Help
I'm new to all this, can you please tell me how I can use a source to back up my information?Slug like you (talk) 19:58, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Growing storms
Hello Neonorange,

You are correct in assuming that I forgot that I had a previous Wikipedia ID and created a new one. When the librarian created my page she asked me to check some entries she'd made and it is true that I made changes. At the time, I was unaware that people were not supposed to make changes to their own pages. When I found that out, I never did it again. That's why it lingered with incomplete information for so long. That is also why I never tried to hide my identity by creating some fake ID. But the larger question here is, why does this John person have the right to block perfectly legitimate entries by perfectly legitimate people?

Janna — Preceding unsigned comment added by JannaMc (talk • contribs) 16:48, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It is quite all right—even customary—for a Wikipedia editor to use a pseudonym.
 * A pseudonym protects identity better than a bare IP address that reveals the general location from which an user edits.
 * Some editors wish to protect their real-life identity for work or other reasons.
 * Content in Wikipedia articles is justified by quality of expression and strength of supporting references, not by subject expertise, so a name isn't important.
 * Even if an editor begins to edit with a pseudonym, it is always possible, at their choice, to link to their real-life identity (though the reverse is rarely possible). I am, after three or four years of activity, beginning to my real name given name in addition to my pseudonym.
 * It is quite easy for a user to contribute to a Wikipedia article in a way that avoids conflict of interest. For you, in the particular case of this article, just make a request for an edit on the article's talk page, being as specific as possible—even pointing out reference material and citations.
 * Wikipedia has a huge kettle of policies and guidelines that seem to be necessary for an all volunteer organization producing the world's most accessed encyclopedia. I think the best way I can help is by example at first and then by pointing to the most useful policies and guide lines if necessary. I will read the recent activity on the article and then place on your first talk page and your second talk page an example of a requested edit that you can use either as is or as a guide for your own request.
 * I'd like to make a suggestion—having two or more Wikipedia user accounts is permissible, but cross-linking the accounts is a good idea. All that is necessary is to place User:JannaMc is a legitimate alternative account of User:JannaMcMahan on the user page for JannaMcMahan and User:JannaMcMahan is a legitimate alternative account of User:JannaMc on the user page for JannaMc. Some editors may hide multiple accounts so as to weigh in on discussions as if more than one editor were supporting a position. As you can see, since Wikipedia has tens of thousands of editors who rarely meet face-to-face, some guidelines and policies are necessary that are not immediately obvious. I've tried to make this reply as straightforward as possible. I'm sure I've failed—concision wars with unambiguity. I hope that I've eased your concerns, and that you might even contribute material on other subjects.
 * Suggestions:
 * When you post on a talk page please sign the message with a space followed by four tildes ~ (or you can click on the box, in the tool bar below the message editing window, containing four tildes).
 * You might wish to place a short "who I am" sentence on your user pages (which do not exist at the moment—that's why the links are red rather than blue. It is best, for now, to use a sentence or two that in plain words describe yourself as a novelist. The purpose of an editor's user page is to further their work as an editor here. On my user page I've included the countries where I've worked plus some useful tools. It is up to the editor to create their own page.  Neonorange (Phil) 19:11, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * You might wish to place a short "who I am" sentence on your user pages (which do not exist at the moment—that's why the links are red rather than blue. It is best, for now, to use a sentence or two that in plain words describe yourself as a novelist. The purpose of an editor's user page is to further their work as an editor here. On my user page I've included the countries where I've worked plus some useful tools. It is up to the editor to create their own page.  Neonorange (Phil) 19:11, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Did you...
...plan to go to Wikimania? Randy Kryn (talk) 11:28, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Want to, yes. Plan to, no. Much as I wish to be more productive in the Wikipedia movement, Montreal is a bridge too far (and actual planning is involved B^(
 * Do you have plans?
 * The only trip I have planned is to Athens, Tennessee on August 21st for the solar eclipse. Atlanta is just shy of totality at 98% while Athens has 150 seconds. — Neonorange (talk) 13:59, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikimania should be enjoyable, was hoping to see you and others there. Would like to see the full eclipse but won't, a friend and I were going to go but he fears the highway back-ups the media is warning people about (which should keep a good percentage off the highways), but I'd still suggest some leeway for massive traffic going towards the totality areas. You could grab a tent and go a couple days ahead of time if you're driving. Flying would work, but probably expensive on short notice. I hope all is well with you and yours. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:18, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 23
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EH
I've not really been able to check in, but just glanced at your comment on the Hemingway talk page, took a quick glance at the edits in question, but can't really address it. If it's mentioned in the bios, then I suppose we could somehow stream it in. I leave it in your capable hands until I make my way back. Victoriaearle (tk) 15:36, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 24
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