User talk:Nepaheshgar/Archive 4

Goodbye
Dear Ali doostzadeh, just wish to say goodbye, as I am leaving now, most probably for good. This place seems to be populated by Philistines and Hypocrites, as evidenced by the fact that the destructive tendencies of someone, whose name is reminiscent of Mephistopheles, has now led to cutting the entry on Bagh (garden) to a fraction of its original size; it has now become an entry consisting solely of some nice pictures and a highly inaccurate definition of the word (about which I have already written to User:Tahmasp) which is further tagged as lacking a source --- there is no source for that definition, as it is just a contrived definition lacking any scientific basis (do you see the irony: they first delete the contents of the entry, then ask for sources). On this issue I have also written to User:Grandmaster on the talk page of Bagh (garden). I regret the fact that pure malice by some people, whose motivations I fail to comprehend, prevented me from doing something useful on Wikipedia, that most importantly I was kept away from what made me to reunite Wikipedia in the first place, namely writing a proper Wikipedia entry on Ali-Akbar Dehkhoda, about whom I have done some relatively in-depth research in the course of the past months. Amongst others, I was planning to include the translation of the full text of one of Dehkhoda's Charand o Parands to his biography (the translation would be by myself, as I am not aware of any extant English translation of this work). Unfortunately, this was not to be. Last but not least, it was a great pleasure knowing you on these pages. I wish you all the very best for all aspects of your life. With my cordial regards, --BF 16:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC).
 * Dear Ali doostzadeh, I was just for a moment here, so I thought to say thanks for your very kind words. I shall certainly do what you recommended me to with regard to the biography of Dehkhoda. Wish you and your expanding dear family the very best, Your sincerely, --BF 03:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC).

Ibn Hawqal and Al-Muqaddasi on Iranian dialects
Maybe you don't have the page numbers of Surat al-Ardh (صورة الأرض) by Ibn Hawqal, relating to Azari Language, so it is here:

The following passages are from "The history of literature in Iran, First Volume, Author: Zabihollâhe Safâ, 1351 (Persian year) by Ebn Sina publication", pages 144 and 146, translated by me:

"and they said about the Aran language that the people of Aran speak in Arani language which its Persian is understandable and in regard to the letters is near to Khorasani language (Ahsan al-Taqasim, page 378). And they wrote that the dialect of Azerbaijan is Persian (Surat al-Ardh, page 348), and of course what they meant by "Persian dialect" is not Khorasani dialect or prevalent dialect in Fars, but Iranian in contrast to Arabic."

Original Persian:  «و درباره‌ی زبان اران چنین گفته‌اند که (۴) مردم اران به زبان ارانی سخن میگویند و فارسی آن مفهوم و از حیث حروف نزدیک به زبان

خراسانیست. و در باب لهجه‌ی آذربایجان نوشته‌اند فارسی است (۵) و البته مراد از این لهجه‌ی «فارسیة» لهجه‌ی خراسانی یا لهجه‌ی متداول در

فارس نیست بلکه در اینجا از «فارسیة» مراد ایرانی است در مقابل عربی.»

پانوشتها: ۴- احسن التقاسیم ص ۳۷۸ ۵- صورة الأرض ص ۳۴۸

"and it was the same in Azerbaijan where Persian-speaking landlords and merchants of there (it means those who were not from small-numbered people like Armenians and Georgians) understood Arabic well and spoke in it (Surat al-Ardh, page 348)."

original Persian:  «و همچنین بود در آذربایجان که مالکین و تجار فارسی زبان آنجا (یعنی آنها که از اقوام کوچکی از قبیل ارمن و گرج نبودند) عربی را خوب

میفهمیدند و به آن تکلم میکردند (۲).

پانوشت: ۲- صورة الأرض ص ۳۴۸

"For example they wrote about Khuzi dialect, that the people of Khuzestan spoke with a dialect of Persian and mixed it with Arabic (Surat al-Ardh, page 254; Masalik al-Mamalik, page 91; Ahsan al-Taqasim, page 418)."

Original Persian:  « مثلا راجع به لهجه‌ی خوزی نوشته‌اند (۳) که مردم خوزستان با لهجه‌ای از فارسی صحبت میکرده و آنرا با عربی میامیخته‌اند.»

پانوشت: ۳- صورة الأرض ص ۲۵۴؛ مسالک الممالک ص ۹۱؛ احسن التقاسیم ص ۴۱۸

The following passage includes Arabic quotes:

"For example in Khuzestan, the language of people was mixed sensibly with Arabic as they wrote "وکثیرا ما یمزجون فارسیتهم

بالعربیه" (Ahsan al-Taqasim, page 418), and speaking in Arabic was also very simple for them as they did it between themselves without any tone or dialect. Al-Muqaddasi continues: "... واحسن ماتراهم یتکلمون بالفارسیه و حتی ینتقلون الی

العربیه و اذا تکلموا باحداللسانین ظننت انهم لایحسنون الاخر ...".

Original Persian:  مثلا در خوزستان زبان مردم با لهجه‌ی عربی آمیزش محسوس داشت چنانچه در باره ی آن نوشته‌اند «وکثیرا ما یمزجون فارسیتهم بالعربیه» (۱)

و تکلم به عربی هم برای آنان بسیار آسان بود چنانکه هنگام تکلم به عربی لحن و لهجه‌ای میان آنان وجود نداشت. المقدسی در دنباله‌ی سخن

مذکور گوید: «... واحسن ماتراهم یتکلمون بالفارسیه و حتی ینتقلون الی العربیه و اذا تکلموا باحداللسانین ظننت انهم لایحسنون الاخر

...».

پانوشت: 1-احسن التقاسیم ص ۴۱۸

--92.242.212.254 (talk) 13:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I am not sure if the Khuzi language was Iranian or Arabic.  It might have been remnant of Elamite?   What do you think ? --alidoostzadeh (talk) 04:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way feel free to regiser in Wikipedia and contribute. You seem very knowledgable.  --alidoostzadeh (talk) 05:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Help
You are requested to help in stopping mezzomezzo removing Valid Criticism from the Page of his Liking i.eSalafi.Also As You witnessed Wahabi/Salafi editors are Vandalizing Various pages and have Created different pages with the same Movement plz help in merging Salafi into wahabism here.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Salafism#Merger_proposal. Shabiha (t) 14:17, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Vandalizing, huh? Ali, i'll tell you what.  You and I don't see eye to eye on some editing points, that's alright, we're both editors here to hammer things out and improve articles.  But as for the above comments...well, check here to get some background information on that. MezzoMezzo (talk) 16:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ali As You are witness to his behaviour I request You to come on here and say some thing.regards Shabiha  (t) 16:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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 * Hi; I don't know how to send you an E-mail through Wikipedia, but I recieved your e-mail.
 * Will be glad to recieve your article. Thanks in advance. Sharishirin (talk) 22:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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 * You guys are trying to annoy people on purpose?--alidoostzadeh (talk) 18:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Greetings & ...
Dear Ali doostzadeh, perhaps you wish to have look into the external link that I have just attached to the entry of Mehdi Akhavan Sales, i.e. Sahar. Kind regards, --BF 16:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

ps) Just one request: since I do not know how to place Farsi texts on one line without the editor changing their correct order, may I hereby request you kindly to rearrange the poem in such a way that it takes less space than it does now? I propose to use the English style of having the poem in a continuous fashion with different poem lines separated by the separator "/". Incidentally, you may also wish to have a look into the poem "Kucheh" by Fereydoon Moshiri which I have recently linked to his entry, in the external-links section. (Unfortunately, the Farsi text that I have linked to contains a typing error so that a more reliable website would be most welcome.) With thanks in advance for the trouble, Yours sincerely, --BF 16:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)