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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:40, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Ornis Svecica (July 13)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Randykitty was:

The comment the reviewer left was:

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Randykitty (talk) 07:29, 13 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello Randykitty,


 * I read on your talk page that you prefer that discussions started at other users' talk pages continue there, so here goes. Also, my apologies for (most likely) also doing a bunch a newbie mistakes even in the talking...


 * Thank you for your feedback in declining the "Ornis Svecica" article draft for publication, pointing out insufficient demonstration of notability and significant coverage. I have now edited and expanded the draft, and hence submit it for reconsideration. As far as I can see, Ornis Svecica certainly should meet the criteria for notability. I do understand the feedback about insufficient external references supporting this (although already the first draft had comparable or higher standards than for example Journal of Oregon Ornithology, Australian Field Ornithology).


 * I have now:
 * * Expanded the historical development of the journal’s scope, as described by two external sources (J Field Ornithol & IUCN)
 * * Mentioned and linked a publication of high impact, and referred to Google Scholar’s listing of the >200 citations. (However, I am unsure of whether it would be more suitable not to mention the number of citations, and remove that part and just group the Google Scholar reference with the article reference.)
 * * Added a further external source of credibility in the form of SCImago’s journal information about Ornis Svecica.


 * It is my sincere hope that these revisions will satisfy the criteria for notability and credibility, as I would argue that Ornis Svecica definitely deserves a Wikipedia article.


 * I look forward to your continued feedback. Thanks for your hard work! /Martin — Nesospiza (talk) 23:46, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for getting back about this. Let me start about those two other journals, which seem not better (or even weaker) than the draft that I rejected. We call such an argument WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (or, a bit cruder, WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS). The thing is, WP has almost 6 million articles but a limited number of editors. It is unavoidable that we'll have a certain proportion of articles that are below par. I checked the two articles that you mentioned. The Oregonian one does not appear to meet our criteria, so I have proposed it for deletion. The Australian one is notable, because it is included in Scopus (perhaps more, but once I saw Scopus I stopped looking as that is enough), even though that fact is not mentioned in the article. Clearly, that one needs work, but I have no time for that right now. I've put it on my watchlist, so at some point I expect that I'll get around to cleaning it up. Another thing is that you mention that the journal "deserves a Wikipedia article". I agree. Unfortunately, "deserving" is not a criterion here. What counts is "notability" in the sense that something has been noted in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. I'll have a look at your draft later today. I think I'll be able to accept it, given the SCImago info: they get their data from Scopus and we accept indexing in Scopus as indication that a journal is notable. Thanks for your patience! --Randykitty (talk) 07:28, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Ornis Svecica has been accepted
 Ornis Svecica, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer. Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! Randykitty (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
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John Milne (disambiguation)
Hi Nesospiza. Please note that disambiguation pages like John Milne (disambiguation) are meant to help readers find a specific existing article quickly and easily. For that reason, they have guidelines that are different from articles. From the Disambiguation dos and don'ts you should:


 * Only list articles that readers might reasonably be looking for
 * Use short sentence fragment descriptions, with no punctuation at the end
 * Use exactly one navigable link ("blue link") in each entry that mentions the title being disambiguated
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Having an article or at least a mention in an article should always come before listing on a disambiguation page. Leschnei (talk) 12:41, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Leschnei, thanks for correcting this mistake of mine and bringing those guidelines to my attention! Nesospiza (talk) 16:06, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. Leschnei (talk) 23:05, 22 October 2019 (UTC)