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Science fiction convention edits
I would like to explain my edits to Science fiction convention. Since all kinds of similar conventions have fan guests of honour, specifying either kind of "SF" (Speculative ficion/Science fiction) was unwise. Also it is a good idea to define an abreviation the first time one uses it in an article. Keep on Smofing. -Dr Haggis - Talk 22:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree that a link to Speculative fiction would improve the "Science fiction convention" article. See my latest changes and let me know what you think. -Dr Haggis - Talk 22:26, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Mimsy Were the Borogoves
Hey there, just thought you'd like to know I've completed the move. Best, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 04:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Requested Move for Mildred Loving article
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Engineering
Geez, Netmouse, you didn't have to get so huffy about the engineering branches and become threatening.

FWIW, most of that whole article is basically WP:OR as none of it is cited. I really don't care one way or the other, but I do believe there is a difference between surveying and survey engineering. And no one has really indicated how GIS is an engineering discipline vice being some computer science, drafting, etc., type of discipline

If you want to have OR called an Engineering discipline, well, then fine. Do you have a cite? Just because an engineer might use a particular skill doesn't make it an engineering discipline. One would think that the OR types would find a way to add the word "engineering" to the title of their discipline if this were the case. Now ... don't get me wrong; OR is an important field that truly provides benefits to Engineers and the rest of society. But hey, if it makes you happy....

Everyone wants to have the prestige of claiming to be engineers; otherwise, we wouldn't have sanitary engineers, domestic engineers, etc. Basically, the only reason I've made edits to the article is to keep down some of the random attempts at everyone trying to be inclusive. I wasn't trying to exert my personal belief. However, I'd tell you that some of those self-same claims to engineering as listed in the article aren't supported (though I have no idea whether or not yours are or not). You indicate these are engineering disciplines; fine, list the citations within the article (and not just list the names of journals as "proof").

If you really want my personal opinion (which I know you don't ... :) ), then I'd tell you that Engineering is not a career, it is not a profession, and it is not a degree. IMNSHO (LOL), it is a thought process, and one that stems from the basic process that we learned in 8th grade earth science: problem, givens, facts, assumptions, formulae, application and analysis, answer.  Some of the best engineers I know do not have a degree (engineering or otherwise); and some of the worst ones I know have that PE stamp that they might as well use as a target (and I can say that having several!).

BTW, the only threat/complaint that I had on my talk page was concerning some edits I made to the Hardy Boys by an individual who did, in fact, commit a 3R even as he cautioned me against the same. If you look at that article's history, you will see that same individual was bombastically fighting any and all edits to the Hardy Boys because s/he had too much pride of ownership to believe that others had differing opinions about various undue emphases s/he had made. I dropped out because s/he wasn't worth my time and effort; but in that article, truthiness won out.

One last question: with your eminent masters degree in Systems Design Engineering, why didn't you think it necessary to include that as an Engineering discipline? Methinks that, being able to get a degree is something with Engineering in its title would qualify it as a separate discipline. Food for thought ... aw hell, nope ... I'm just being bitchy. ROFL Don&#39;tKnowItAtAll (talk) 21:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * You're right, I was overly quick to be threatening. I had just happened to link on your editing history and saw what seemed to be an active intent to delete content you disagreed with without consideration to the fact that it's better to flag uncited content as uncited than to assume that it's wrong and just delete it. I can see what you mean about the different ways you can interpret the word "engineering" but I guess every article has to have a purpose, and I took the purpose of the original authors to be to list the branches of the different disciplines of engineering in a way to provide an overview of the organization and variation within the field. I didn't have time to add in a bunch of references (or my own subfield - you're right, I might want to add that later) but I wanted to correct your eliding of perfectly valid categories. To support the idea that Operations research (also Operations Management) is also listed in the Industrial Engineering article.  Possibly a circular argument, I know. Netmouse (talk) 13:48, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Home on the Strange (disambiguation)


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 * "Disambiguation page with no links to what it is disambiguating" is not even true - the article was created with a link to the page that prompted me to create the article - the Wynonna Earp page that mentions the comic series by that name. The comic series clearly does not deserve its own page.  I don't believe the song deserves its own page, either.  But having "Home on the Strange" redirect to this obscure 2003 comic when the webcomic has a much higher google rating seems inappropriate.
 * Someone else had clearly created a disambig page before me, and linked to it. They probably thought it was useful too. I was repopulating that link. Netmouse (talk) 17:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

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It changed "External Links" to "External links" back in 2008. But there is policy/guidelines on these weird caps for tradenames. Rich Farmbrough, 00:34, 2 December 2009 (UTC).

Lily Collins AfD
Hi. Regarding your comment, "As an aside, I don't think it was out of line for Evangeline to express her impression that the definitions of notability were being applied by a man", if those definitions are derived from Wikipedia policy, what difference does it make who's applying them? You mentioned that editors can discuss the wisdom of those policies on those Talk Pages, and I agree with that as a general principle, but how does that apply here, given that those policies, which merely require reliable sources to be provided in an article to establish notability were adequate to result in the article's inclusion? While some individual publications, like Glamour or Teen Vogue, may be geared toward a particular gender, the policy that requires their inclusion, however, is not. It's entirely gender neutral, since it does not lend itself more easily to male-oriented publications over female-oriented ones. Moreover, many of the sources in the article are not female-oriented: People, The Daily Telegraph, ABC News, Variety, Daily Mail, LA Times Magazine--none of these are gender-specific. Thus, the fact that I pointed out to Evangeline remains: Whether I personally had heard about Lily Collins is completely irrelevant to the AfD discussion, or the policies upon which it was adjudicated, since the article was nominated because sources needed to be added to the article to establish her notability, and not because "I had never heard of her." By encouraging Evangeline's use of a clear and irrelevant ad hominem argument as "reasonable", you legitimized her uncivil behavior. Nightscream (talk) 04:01, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * My response is on Nightscream's talk page. Netmouse (talk) 18:54, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I misconstrued your comment. Your point about the Chanel matter is well-taken, but Evangeline never specified that. She merely referenced my gender in regards my having heard of her. Because neither she nor you specified the Chanel point, it seemed like you were giving credence to her ad hominem remark. For my part, I never challenged Collins' status in the world of fashion per se, as I based my comments entirely on whether sources could be provided to establish that status. Although I did question whether the things she was mentioned for being notable qualified as such collectively, again, Evangeline never made that point about Chanel, or at the very least, she did not articulate that was well as you did. As for my remarks being "derogatory", well, if you mean that I illustrated by I saw less merit in her statements than she did, well, that I did. If, on the other hand, you use that word in the sense of belittling her, that I did not. In any event, thanks for your response, and Happy Holidays. :-) Nightscream (talk) 00:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * :) Happy Holidays back atcha. To quote the discussion, Evangaline said, "I can tell you're a man. Any woman would think that articles in Vogue and the U.K. Daily Mail, being picked to represent Chanel and wear their clothes for free, appearing in movies and television, and being regularly featured in style blogs and magazines as a very stylish "actress" and "model" ... was enough to at least rate a mention in wikipedia." There's nothing in there about whether or not you had heard of her before.  There's a whole clause about Chanel. Regards -- Netmouse (talk) 21:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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Thank you for your input. Since User:Human.v2.0 raised their objections I have stopped performing these merges. I saw the merges as a transparent and easily revertible way to try and improve the topic area. Content was preserved and anyone looking for information could find it just as easily through the redirects created. I saw the merges as being easier for those who objected to anything I do in topic area to deal with, after all undoing a merge requires two clicks, commenting in a merge or articles for deletion discussion requires a more thought out, composed action and argument from a user. I don't really see Proposed mergers as effective way to get attention to a merge discussion if none is likely to be forthcoming anyway - although if I did start such a discussion I would obviously list it there. As I said before, I was being bold, if someone reverts because they think the edits were not good ones I can have no objections. Regards, Guest9999 (talk) 16:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Merges can only be undone in two strokes if that correction is the next edit. If other edits have been done in between, a merge is much more difficult to reverse. Since you don't tend to mention your merge behavior on the talk page, it is only through looking at the history that an editor new to the page would know what was going on and might consider reversing the merge instead of making new edits. Netmouse (talk) 10:28, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

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You commented on an earlier merge proposal at Talk:List_of_Jericho_episodes, but please note the current discussion at the bottom of the page. Also, I've been trying to get some help to upgrade the articles so that the articles can stand on their own merits, particularly by locating and referencing reviews from "reliable source" media. Barsoomian (talk) 06:37, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw that. I think your efforts will only be worthwhile if additional material is added to those articles, providing context or out-of-universe information is per WP:Episodes. I'm not familiar with the show and don't have time to help with that, but if there are references out there, I think it might be a worthy project.  Netmouse (talk) 06:47, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

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There are no reasons given for the nomination on the discussion page, So I am not sure how to respond. Netmouse (talk) 21:05, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

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 * Hey, I just wanted to say thanks you for your review and for your comments, which I found encouraging at the time, even though all the facts on the page were corroborated by the references I gave, I just didn't put a footnote on every line. I did have some other references and was looking forward to getting back to the article to improve it. It was comforting to know it was in a state where another reviewer could remove the tag after it was improved.  Four days later, however, someone chose instead to move it "to draftspace," stating that it "is not suitable as written to remain published." That seemed in sharp contrast to what you wrote, though again done by someone who did not appear to have read the sources that were cited. I am trying hard to renew my enthusiasm for building this article, given that someone has judged it less 'suitable for inclusion' than George_Hunt_(American_football).  I sigh.  Netmouse (talk) 17:30, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

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WikiProject Women in Green is holding a  month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in June 2024!

Running from June 1 to 30, 2024, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Going Back in Time! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 20 centuries by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

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