User talk:Neutral.plants

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November 2017
Hi Neutral.plants, again, welcome, and congratulations on your first edit! Thanks especially for using an edit summary to explain your change, this helps other editors.

I have also edited Stonewall riots, as well as many other articles related to LGBT and trans topics, and I wanted to comment on. In your edit summary, there was one small discrepancy: you mentioned that "Trangendered people" is very offensive to those in the community, and I agree that transgendered (with the -ed) is not looked upon with favor, but the article didn't have the -ed, it just had "transgender people." There is actually a lot of support for terms like transgender people or transgender individuals in the community, but I guess my main thought here, is that there is quite a bit of variation in the community about what term people prefer, and what terms they find offensive, and we have to recognize that when thinking about doing a revert. Personally, I was okay with the language in the old version, and I found it respectful the way it was, but I won't revert you, since there's nothing wrong with the new language, either. I do think you should pick your battles, though; there are so many egregious examples of ignorant, disrespectful, or even out-and-out transphobic verbiage, that it's wise to save your time and energy for the cases that really need attention and will get support out of the trans* and LGBT community. Since Wikipedia operates by consensus, it's important to keep that in mind.

This very topic was discussed at great length at the talk page of Manual of Style for months or years, (and isn't done yet, I don't think) and not everyone feels the same way about what language they prefer, even within the trans community. Most of these discussions are now archived at WT:MOS, which you can search and read at your leisure. To my knowledge, there is not yet a Manual of Style guideline on how to refer to transgender people, but there are essays about it, and much discussion on talk pages. The term "transgender people" shows up often in Wikipedia essays or on Talk pages attempting to come up with a community-supported guideline about this question, for example, at the essay (not a guideline) Gender_identity, or at the Manual of Style (guideline): MOS:BIRTHNAME. The essay at WikiProject LGBT studies/Guidelines has the expression transgender and non-binary people in the first sentence of section #How to write about transgender and non-binary people and looks to me to be a draft guideline put together by the WikiProject WikiProject LGBT studies.

If you feel strongly that "transgender people" is offensive, you should probably take that up on the talk page of the Project essay, here.

I hope this has been helpful to you, and I look forward to seeing your future contributions at Wikipedia! Mathglot (talk) 08:34, 9 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, it looks like another editor did revert your edit after all, pointing out in their edit summary pretty much what I said above about transgender people. (Please note that they took pains to indicate that you were editing in good faith&mdash;that is, they respect what you did and understand you were trying to improve the article.)  A second editor then added in the rev history that you probably misread transgender people as transgendered people. I hope you understand their changes and the reasons for them, and if you have any questions about this, please ping me below with a message (or them, on their respective talk pages).  Feel free to contact me anytime on my talk page if you have a question or comment about anything. Happy editing!  Mathglot (talk) 08:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)