User talk:NewPolitician

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Gaismagorm is wrong
I do not have any conflict of interest in editting the pages today. Bit I do have an interest is accuracy. The edits were simply factual, they simply state the people in my political party that have factually been accepted by their various Returning Offices as being valid candidates in the upcoming election. The previous entries were indeed wrroneous, and I corrected the errors. That means that it will be you, Gaisagorm, who is the vandal if you remove my edits, And if you do so, I will complain to whoever is a higher authority in Wikipedia Edward Dean - Fareham and Waterlooville (talk) 20:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * geez, calm down. and don't accuse me of vandalism, especially when I have not even reverted your edits. I'm merely stating that wikipedia doesn't reccomend editing about yourself or your associated, wether the info you are inserting is factually accurate or not. Gaismagorm (talk) 20:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You have admitted to being a vandal, 5000 times it seems. You even have the gall to suggest that I should allow my corrections of Wikipedia errors to be censored by yourself. Just go away, mate! If Wikipedia wants to do something, that's fine. If you want to, think again! Edward Dean - Fareham and Waterlooville (talk) 20:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Information.svg Hello, I'm Gaismagorm. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you.  Gaismagorm (talk) 20:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Here is my question: Who in Wikipedia can I complain about you to? Edward Dean - Fareham and Waterlooville (talk) 20:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * well I suppose the administrators incidents board. Not exactly anything for you to complain about though. Gaismagorm (talk) 20:24, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thinking about this, I reckon Wikipedia can't really tell from user names whether there is a conflict of interest, since it is easy to get false email addresses from gmail etc. I guess they have to make an assessment based on what is actually posted.
 * Today I hope to update the list of 2024 candidates with the 26 that seem to have been unaccountably omitted. I am very careful, but you or anyone else is welcome to check my work and tell me if I make some kind of mistake. Edward Dean - Fareham and Waterlooville (talk) 07:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That is useful information, though a bit vague, so our interaction has been useful for me. I am one of the people who know best on the particular subject that I corrected. I hope it has been useful for you too, to know that people, and especially politiians, do not like anything that might look like censorship or control, even if it is meant well. Have a nice rest of the weekend. Edward Dean - Fareham and Waterlooville (talk) 20:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. 90.251.20.238 (talk) 09:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

June 2024
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Thank you. Cabayi (talk) 10:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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Please provide sources
I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, but you didn't provide a reliable source. When you include a citation it means your edits are less likely to be reverted. You can have a look at referencing for beginners for further help. Thank you. 90.251.20.238 (talk) 10:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The entres that have been deleted all referred to Rejoin EU, which is a reference to a Wikipedia entry. The effect of your reversions seems to be that Wikipedia is preventing candidates in the general election from being mentioned. I would say that that goes against the spirit of Wikipedia and may even get Wikipedia into legal trouble in the UK. Considering that it took me three or four hours to do the entries, I hope that you will undelete them. NewPolitician (talk) 11:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * First, please be very cautious with statements like may even get Wikipedia into legal trouble in the UK. Per WP:NLT legal threats are not permitted and will result in an instant block (I assume you weren't intending to make a threat, though – just be wary of that topic).
 * Second, the sources that the IP above is requesting aren't just links to the party article. Please see WP:RS to understand what we mean by sources, and WP:CS to learn how to cite sources. Unsourced statements are likely to be removed outright; that's not an attempt to prevent anyone being mentioned, we just need everything to be sourced. — Czello (music) 11:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This is not a threat. But it is clear that Wikipedia is taking sides in a political contest. What does that do for Wikipedia's reputation for impartiality? 193.117.166.37 (talk) 11:15, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No, we're not taking sides. We're simply asking for sources for something to be added, which is how the encyclopedia works. — Czello (music) 11:17, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Deleting the camndidates from one particular political party IS taking sides. Let's gop to arbitration. How do I do that? 193.117.166.37 (talk) 11:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * To avoid repeating myself see my comment at WP:COIN. — Czello (music) 11:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I am going to Dispute Resolution NewPolitician (talk) 11:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Alrighty. You may be disappointed with the results. — Czello (music</i>) 11:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So far I'm discovering that Wikipedia juist doesn't like anyone to challenge it, so I'm beginning to feel like on of those whistleblowers that we read about! NewPolitician (talk) 11:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * We're happy to be challenged, when in keeping with policies. 331dot (talk) 11:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

You are very, very close to being blocked for legal threats, WP:NOTHERE, or both, or not listening to us. 331dot (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You said that you were "asked by my party" to make these edits. That absolutely means that you have a conflict of interest. You must formally disclose that now. (click the link for instructions).  Note that Wikipedia does not necessarily provide equal time and equal treatment to all points of view or all political parties, it depends on the coverage in reliable sources.  If I go to the UK and create the 331dot Party that does not immediately entitle me to add my party's candidates to every relevant article- nor should I do so myself as a representative of the party. If you are saying that a law in the UK requires Wikipedia to do that, you need to communicate that to Wikipedia's lawyers, see WP:LEGAL for instructions.  I think that very unlikely, we aren't new at this. Furthermore, Wikipedia is physically located in the United States where UK law has not applied since 1776. 331dot (talk) 11:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't represent a conflict of interest. It represents an authority. I am authorised by my party to correct errors in Wikipedia that affect my party.
 * What is now happening is that other contributors of Wikipedia have made errors and omissions, making Wikipedia no longer impartial, and Wikipedia is preventing me from correcting those faults and making it impartial again.
 * I formally disclosed my interest in this matter through my original username, which WIkipedia editors objected to.
 * One could not make this silliness up! Wikipedia aims to be accurate and impartial and its editors are using a ridid interpretation of rules that ignore its aims and end up making it partial and erroneous! NewPolitician (talk) 11:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It is a classic case of a conflict of interest, unambiguously so.
 * And again, it's not a big ask to want a source to back up your claims. I'm not sure why you're so reluctant to provide them. — <i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i> (<i style="color:#8000FF">music</i>) 11:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The conflict here is between WIkipedia's aims to be accurate and impartial, a the rigid interpretation of WIkipedia's rules that mean that some of its editors feel justified in making changes that make Wikipedia inaccurate and partial. And that conflict cannot really be resoved here, can it? NewPolitician (talk) 11:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The conflict cannot be resolved if you refuse to provide sources, no. — <i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i> (<i style="color:#8000FF">music</i>) 11:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I provided Wikipedia as a source. Obviously not reliable, wouldn't you agree? NewPolitician (talk) 11:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Correct, Wikipedia is not a reliable source for citations elsewhere on Wikipedia — <i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i> (<i style="color:#8000FF">music</i>) 11:46, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So what's the point of Wikipedia if it's not reliable? NewPolitician (talk) 11:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That it points the reader to reliable sources to verify the Wiki's content. Cabayi (talk) 11:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is a content aggregator, not a source itself. It's up to readers to evaluate the sources for themselves. 331dot (talk) 11:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please cite a reference for that rather odd claim. Wikipedia is a "pedia", and if its not that then it's running under false pretences NewPolitician (talk) 11:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * See WP:CIRCULAR. 331dot (talk) 11:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You gravely misunderstand conflict of interest. You are here as a representative of your party- by your own admission. You need to make the formal conflict of interest disclosure on your user page now. 331dot (talk) 11:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no conflict of interest if Wikipedia isn't supposed to be accurate, impartial, or reliable anyway! NewPolitician (talk) 11:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no conflict of interest if Wikipedia isn't supposed to be accurate, impartial, or reliable anyway! NewPolitician (talk) 11:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Your user page statement is sufficient, thank you. 331dot (talk) 11:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia also makes no claim of being impartial. If reliable sources are not impartial, that will be reflected in Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 11:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * What you're telling me about Wikipedia is not what the general public expect, and not what the founder wanted Wikipedia to be. NewPolitician (talk) 11:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia claims to have a neutral point of view, which does not mean it is "impartial". Vladimir Putin would probably agree we are not impartial if he read Vladimir Putin or Russian invasion of Ukraine. 331dot (talk) 11:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have been unable to find out where to take this dispute to for resolution, so I have emailed the Wikipedia legal people to aks them to ook into it. Preventing someone from providing an electorate with accurate information about candidate names in an election is not something Wikipedia should be doing. NewPolitician (talk) 12:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * slowly arguing yourself into the position everybody has being trying to show you all morning."Providing an electorate with accurate information about candidate names" - how is anybody to know your information is accurate if you refuse to provide reliable, verifiable, independent sources for it?Also, let me save you the wait for a reply, Wikimedia Legal does not make content decisions. If you read section 230 you'll understand why. Cabayi (talk) 12:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I provided accurate entries, correcting someone else's omissions. Others then either deleted them or changed them to be inaccurate. There's clearly something wrong there, isn 't there?
 * Are you suggesting I go ahead and sue Wikipedia? They'd probably take a bit of notice then! 78.146.47.237 (talk) 13:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I expect someone to do a tiny bit of checking before deleting someone else's contributions. After all, the first someone does not have a right to just delete arbitrarily, that is not helpful at all. 78.146.47.237 (talk) 13:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Sounds like it's you who are threatening me. not the other way around! 78.146.47.237 (talk) 14:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not threatening legal action against you or Wikipedia. I am threatening to stop the disruption you are bringing to Wikipedia if you do not do so yourself. Maybe you should be out campaigning for votes, not on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 14:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It was not me that disrupted Wikipedia, it was whoever it was who deleted my corrections NewPolitician (talk) 16:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:ANI
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — <i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i> (<i style="color:#8000FF">music</i>) 13:48, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

June 2024
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 * Do you unequivocally withdraw your previous threats to take legal action against Wikipedia and/or its contributors and promise to not make such threats in future? Have you read Wikipedia's rules on providing reliable sources for each edit you make and promise that you will do so in future? Can you confirm that you have read and understood Wikipedia's policy on editing with a conflict of interest and will endeavour to avoid doing so? 90.251.20.238 (talk) 16:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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