User talk:NewWaveRomantic/Archive 1

Myself as a albums wikiprojects
Hi,

For some reason i have been blocked from editing completely everything on wikipedia. I have been a member for over a year now and feel that it is very unfair that i am blocked. Is there any chance thet i can get unbloked? Thank you. DuranDuran 12:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You haven't been blocked. When you are blocked, the only things you can edit are your talk page and your userpage. Since you posted here, on my talk page, you have not been blocked. I checked your block log as well at, and you've never been blocked. What problems in particular are you experiencing in editing? Also, you had two fair use tagged images on your userpage. I removed them as they are not allowed to exist on your userpage per Fair use criteria item #9. --Durin 13:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not sure what the message on my talk page was about, but as Durin mentioned above, you have never been blocked. Nor have I ever interacted with you. Nor have I ever described any of your edits as "vandalism". I don't know why you posted on my talk page (the fact that you could post there showed you were not blocked). Sorry, Gwernol 14:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

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Why on earth are you going around posting blatant misinformation on all of the Duran Duran pages? The band has stated no such thing, regarding the use of Saxophone on the new album. Instead, they have merely acknowledged a fan's Ask Katy question by answering thus : WE HAVE BEEN PONDERING THE SAME THING, NOT QUITE SURE YET, BUT IT DEFINITELY FEELS LIKE THE RIGHT TIME FOR THE RETURN OF THE SAXOPHONE, WE WILL KEEP YOU POSTED. Certainly not a confirmation of the use of Andy Hamilton on several songs.

As for going from page to page, posting that the albums' working title is "The Music's Between Us". If you are going to post information of a dubious nature on several pages, you would be well advised to post the source of your addition. Adding falsehoods to the Wikipedia entries of your favourite band is only going to be damaging to them in he long run. And honestly, I hardly think the band are considering using the song lyrics from the first single off their last album as a title to their new album.

Night Runner
It's a clever cover but when a single's cover is not available, wikipedia has a gray cover to be the temporary cover until the actual single cover becomes available.you cant post your own version of single's covers, only the actual one. --Gregxscene 06:03, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've told you once, i've told you twice.Your orange cover for the duran duran single isnt needed, just let the wikipedia gray cd be the default until the actual cover is released.you using that cover only confuses and provides no need. --Gregxscene
 * Well since you are so crazy about it i wont delete it no more, but understand that its isnt allowed or wikipedia wont have a gray cover.your orange doesnt make it any better.but ill leave it alone until someone else takes it off.

good luck --Gregxscene
 * You must have me confused with someone else, I never called you stupid, if you look at my messages above you dont see stupid anywhere so i dont know where you are getting this from.I said that I won't bother you no more about it since you are so crazy about it and I'll just wait for someone else to take it down like i did cause theres no use for it.This isnt a personalize web page where you cant spruce it up and make it look cool because its your favorite band, so although you enjoy your orange cover theres really no use for it. But since you refuse to keep it down and use wikipedia's default coming soon cover like all the other upcoming singles, i just decided to leave it alone.But I NEVER called you stupid.where you got that from, idk but you neeed to check the facts before you say i said something when i didnt.

--Gregxscene 19:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use images in discographies
Thank you for all your work on the Duran Duran discography and other articles. I would like to ask that you please do not add album or single covers to the singles chronology at the bottom of the infoboxes. It is, in fact, part of Wikipedia's fair use image policy that these copyrighted covers should not be used anywhere other than the article for that specific musical work: please see the WikiProject Music image guidelines. More generally, you can also look at the Image use policy and Fair use, where it explains that fair use can be claimed for "Cover art from various items, for identification and critical commentary (not for identification without critical commentary)."

Discographies and infoboxes do not count as an article or as critical commentary; I learned this myself when I constructed the first singles table for the Duran Duran discography page and was asked to remove the images. You have done beautiful work that would be a shame to dismantle, but the images are not truly necessary to provide information to the readers here -- if they are curious about the cover, they can click through to the article which displays the image in its proper context. Wikipedia constantly struggles to balance our need to use clear illustrations with the limits of copyright law and fair use for images.

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 * Thank you for being so understanding! As I said, I had the same urge you did to add the images to the discography, but I am glad that like me you understand the rationale for not doing so once it is explained to you.  Thanks for accepting the advice so graciously!  I hope we can continue to work together to make all the Duran Duran and related music articles better.  &mdash; Catherine\talk 17:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

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re: Duran Duran Discography and "Gloss!"
Hi. I did not mean to undermine any hard work you did, but I simply wanted to bring the page to formatting guidelines carried over from WP:CHARTS (i.e. no "#" symbol, no boldfacing chart positions, which the D2 page didn't have anyway, etc). I understand that people want discography pages to look good, but the extra coloring, etc. makes it look too much like a fan page and is not encouraged (I've worked on and witnessed many articles get changed because of things like this, and those only had various shades of gray). As far as the data is concerned, I did not remove any of it except "U.S. Modern Rock" statistics. I don't know where most of that came from, since the Modern Rock Tracks chart did not exist before 1988. I have the reference materials to check those other charts, but at first glance they look to be correct. I was also going to mention all of the album images, but I see you've had a conversation about that already on your Talk Page. Just as an FYI - I do have several discography pages in my watchlist and I have noticed editors and bots going through them recently and removing images, so I suspect a lot more will also have this done, including Duran Duran. - eo 21:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * First, it is not an inconvenience. As far as working-or-rumored title Gloss!, I think it is fine to leave it as long as there is a note saying that the title is unconfirmed (which there is).  I did notice, however, that the superscript 1 after the title doesn't actually link to a reference so you may want to check that (I assume you're the one who placed it there).  I would not change the name of the album's article yet until the title is confirmed.  I see too that the images have been removed, which I suspected would happen.  The page still looks good tho, I like the flags in the column headers. - eo 13:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Heya, DuranDuran, I removed the "Gloss" bits. I know the title "Gloss" is running rampant on the rumour mill, but I also know for a fact that it's a false rumour.  I was there on the DuranDuran.com message boards when the fans created it as a joke, along with many other hypothetical titles.  It got picked up as a "real" title by an Italian fan, who reported it straight to Italian fan groups, who started publishing it on their websites, which then started getting picked up by English websites and media.  I seriously doubt it's going to end up being the real title (although you never know, with the group's twisted sense of humour).  Best of luck to you! &mdash; Catherine\talk 14:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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Untitled Human League album
Hi again, please do not recreate this article, as it was already deleted per the AfD process. Oakey has stated it is "a goal of the band to work on new material in 2007" but there has been no confirmation that a new album is in the works, near completion or on the release schedule of a record label. Without any type of source, it will be deleted again. - eo 16:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

- Andi064 20:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Concur! Please dont add speculation again. Further info Read Talk:The_Human_League
 * Re: Your comment on my talk page - I applaud your motivation but I’m afraid that, speculation is simply against the rules of Wikipedia which is why your edit keeps getting reverted. But rest assured there are people here who know the band personally, and as soon as there is any confirmation of an album it will be added with an all important reference. Because the band deliberately don't have an official Website (Philip dislikes the internet!) it is important that the Wikipedia articles are factually correct as they are the sole source of information for the media other thant the 'semi official' fan run sites. Thank youAndi064 09:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks!
I'm glad you enjoy the Timeline. I'm just getting ready to move the information in it to a database-style site, which will make it easier to search and sort and find what you're looking for -- part of why I've been procrastinating about updating the 2007 page; that and not enough time in the day. :)

The only band member I have met was John, and that was a totally crazy story -- you can see it on my site at http://www.durandurantimeline.com/misc/sugartown.html. :D  Maybe someday I will meet the others...

As for "Night Runner", welcome to Duran Standard Time! Take any firm date they give you and add at least six months. Once they started working with a new producer it was inevitable that the release dates would get pushed back. I think they're missing their window for a summer tour, which probably means a Christmas release instead. But I wouldn't put anything on any of the Duran pages here until it's confirmed on DD.com -- rumors are great on fansites and message boards, but it shouldn't be here until we've got a reliable source. Best wishes!


 * re: It is such a pity! It is really sad to think that there are so many fans that are supporting DD and they always seem to let us down! It would be horrific if DD release their new album in Nov/Dec! Anyways, life goes so fast before you realize it, the album will be released. I'm going to read your story now! DURAN UNITE! regards. ˉˉDuranDuran╦╩ 17:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

re: Wet Wet Wet
Hi there.... I took a look at the Wet Wet Wet page.... not sure exactly what to do just yet, as this page is utilizing the "gallery" method of album images.... I've seen a bunch of pages like this and to my knowledge there is still discussion about how exactly images are being used in discographies and whether they should even be there at all per non-free image use guidelines. Please feel free to read and/or contribute to it here. - eo 18:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure - basically you can take the one for Duran Duran's page and use that as the template - or if you prefer, I have a blank template I keep on my subpage: User:Ericorbit/subpage - just copy that and plug in the songs and substitute any relevant charts. The only thing I'd do for WWW is put the UK Singles Chart column first, as that is their home country. - eo 18:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

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Duran Duran rumours
I am removing the rumored tracks from Upcoming Duran Duran Album because they are just that, as I explained in my hidden comment in the article. (See Wikipedia is not a crystal ball). I didn't recall that some of those tracks were reported in Billboard, which IS a reliable source, so I replaced those in the text of the article, although of course there's a good chance that the songs and/or titles may be different by the time this thing finally sees the light of day. I'd prefer not to have a list at the bottom, because it only encourages people to add rumored or hoax titles to the list. Anyway, while I believe some of the songs reported on various blogs and fansites may be correct, those should not be added here until they're confirmed by the band. This really isn't meant to be the place for "breaking news", it's supposed to be a place to collect what's already known. :) I appreciate your enthusiasm for the band and the album, but try to be patient with "Duran Standard Time".   :)   &mdash; Catherine\talk 16:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

"The Music Between Us"
As for where people got the idea that you added it, I'm afraid it's plainly there in your contributions history: see this diff and this one. It's okay to make mistakes. You've learned a lot since you started editing here! :)  &mdash; Catherine\talk 02:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wet Wet Wet editing
Scanning and cropping images doesn't make them your own. The original copyright is still in place. I'd recommend reading up on Wikipedia's image policies, because they treat such violations very seriously apparently. - Dudesleeper · Talk 03:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Thats Hot!, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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 * Reply to comment on my talk page: No problem. You're welcome to post an article about the album, you just need to include more information than a single note about who it's coming from. If you check out Wikiproject Albums, you can probably find more information on what we expect from an article about an album. It's also usually best to draft your article in a word processor or other program before adding it to Wikipedia, just to make sure everything is spelled right and it's completely ready to go. Hersfold (talk/work) 21:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

impersonation concerns
I like 80s music as much as you do, but I'm concerned that your user name will be misleading to people who might assume you are a member or executive editing on behalf of the band, particularly when contributions like this are considered. I think you should file a request at Changing username and have your name changed to something which clarifies that you are just another fan rather than an insider of some sort. — CharlotteWebb 18:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. I've closed your username change request as you can't call yourself DuranDuranInnuendo either. Our username policy may give you some pointers. You should probably ask to be renamed to something non-band/commercial entity related, *especially* if you planning on going for adminship at some point. Secretlondon 18:17, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You've been reported to Usernames_for_administrator_attention - what would you like to be renamed to? Secretlondon 18:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi there! :)
Glad to see you worked things out with Moe, Duran! :) Regarding your request, I thank you a lot for thinking about me! but before, I'd like to make you a few comments and suggestions by email. Since you don't have it activated at the moment, could you please do so I can reach you? Have a wonderful day! :) Love,  P h a e d r i e l  - 02:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

re:Grettings
I already posted this once under the heading "Unfree images...", but I guess you didn't see it based on your comment on Phaedriel's talk page
 * Ok, I apologize for the afterwarning for the blocking thing. It's just so many times after I warn users for this kind of thing, especially the thing were they think they own userpages, they get really uncivil and I have to warn them about it anyways. You seem to be different though. :) Sorry for the nibble. I hope this doesn't taint our relationship in editing in the future. Cheers! —  M o e   ε  20:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

— M o e   ε  23:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Admin status
Hi there; User:Phaedriel, who is a friend of mine, sometimes gets so bogged down in requests that she cannot answer questions as soon as she would like. To answer your question regarding the attainment of admin status is very straightforward; I direct you to WP:RfA where you will find all the answers you seek. Happy wikying--Anthony.bradbury 00:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess I should say that, at an RfA discussion, most editors like to see 2,000 to 3,000 edits, with a good range of contributions in WP:NAMESPACE (which is WP:AfD, WP:RfA, WP:VP and so forth). I personally think that you are not quite there yet, but time will remedy this.--Anthony.bradbury 00:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The advices my good friend Anthony gives you are excellent, and pretty much sum up what I wished to tell you via email, sweetie :) I think you're on the right track, but it's a long road, and I'm sure you've got what it takes to get there. I don't have to tell you, any help along the way, you know just where to find me ;) Have a beautiful day! Love,  P h a e d r i e l  - 09:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Innuendo
See Innuendo. The first thing I think of when seeing innuendo is sexual innuendo, which isn't appropriate. -- (Review Me) R Parlate Contribs@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 17:53, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, like I said, other people won't think of it as "your favorite word" when they see it. It's up to the b'crats, but I'm pretty sure that's why they didn't rename last time. (please reply below, not on my page) -- (Review Me) R Parlate Contribs@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 18:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Bono article
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Orphaned non-free media (Image:Carlos santana into the night.jpg)
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Fair use rationale for Image:Steve strange.jpg
Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:Steve strange.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI 14:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Nomination for Speedy Delete
A tag has been placed on, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a. If you can indicate how Beau Mirchoff is different from the previously posted material, or if you can indicate why this article should not be deleted, I advise you to place the template hangon underneath the other template on the article, and also put a note on Talk:Beau Mirchoff saying why this article should stay. An admin should check for such edits before deleting the article. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Please read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 4 under General criteria. If you believe the original discussion was unjustified, please feel free to use deletion review, but do not continue to repost the article if it is deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. We welcome your help in trying to improve Wikipedia, and we request you to follow these instructions. Stevecudmore 22:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Santana into the night.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Santana into the night.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 05:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Sbbarricades.jpg
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If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 09:04, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Sbdiamond.jpg
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If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 09:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Sbgold.jpg
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If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 09:09, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Sbheart.jpg
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If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 09:10, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Sbparade.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Sbparade.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 09:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Liveaidtonyhadley.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:Liveaidtonyhadley.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 04:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)