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Hello pls do not copy and past large portions of text from other websites PLS READ Copyrights.Moxy (talk) 05:35, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * And see Plagiarism and Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Dougweller (talk) 05:59, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * ok i see what happen -- you got it from History of Newfoundland and Labrador (Best not to copy wholesale from other articles - best to summarizes things new words) -- The text is still a problem that i see the editor involved still not confirmed  as per Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive660 . If you have any questions just askMoxy (talk) 06:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Liberal Party of Canada candidates, 41st Canadian federal election
Wondering why you removed Brian Murphy (Canadian politician)Brian Murphy from the list of candidates for the 41st Canadian federal election? I've not found any sources saying that he is not running and found a few stating that he is running again.Mr. No Funny Nickname (talk) 14:18, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Added news of May's "virtual endorsement" of Murray to leadership race page hopefully in correct way and wondering whether changes to Joyce Murray page since Feb 5th anywhere near to meeting wiki standards yet ? If not what recommendations ? Vancouver2 (talk) 04:15, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Your username
Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. However, I noticed that your username (Progressive Tory) may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it implies that you may not ascribe to Wikipedia's policy on a neutral point of view. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username, or you may simply create a new account and use that for editing. I am sorry I have to do this to you, your contributions have been very well written, and I appreciate your enthusiasm to cleanup some of the worn down articles on Wikipedia. I am conservative myself, but I worry that others my not be so appreciative of your edits, knowing that you are a Tory. Please feel free to write more about yourself and/or add userboxes to your user page, specifically {{User:UBX/User NL PC}}; see Userboxes/Location/Canada for more Canadian boxes. Thank-you for understanding.117Avenue (talk) 05:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Nice! You're not Danny Williams are you? He would always correct Mark Critch on 22 Minutes. 117Avenue (talk) 22:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I wish! Newfoundlander&amp;Labradorian (talk) 03:11, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Danny Williams and Kathy Dunderdale
Hello N&L! Thanks for the note you left on my talk page. There were a few points to address: Cheers!,  PK T (alk)  13:59, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) The importance rating is on par with other premiers (see Talk:Dalton McGuinty and Talk:Ralph Klein, for example). Of course, that's kind of ridiculous from the perspective of each of their provinces - it's an inherent problem with having the WikiProjects overlap the way they do. The best I feel I can do is add some consistency within the WikiProject Canada structure, such as it is.
 * 2) Improving the article(s): I'm not an expert at that kind of advice. The Peer review process is what I would use if I were looking for specific help. There's also a spot on the  Canadian Wikipedians' notice board where you can ask for peer reviews from Canadian Wikipedians.
 * 3) As you probably know by now, I added assessments to Kathy Dunderdale's article.

Siobhán Coady
Hi there, I noticed you added the title "The Honourable" for Siobhán Coady, in her infobox, but I'm confused as to how she obtained this title. Being elected as an MP doesn't entile a person to be styled as "The Honourable". She has never been a cabinet minister, as she has only served in opposition, never in government, and I can't find anything in article to suggest that she has been sworn in to the privy council. If you can somehow find a source that backs up the title, feel free to put it back in, but as it stands right now, there is nothing provided to suggest she actually has this title so it doesn't belong. Cmr08 (talk) 06:26, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: Nfld PC party
The Progressive Conservative Party of Newfoundland and Labrador article is looking good. It's borderline C-class or B-class. If you expand and cite the ideology section and add some more images you can probably nominate it for good article status before long. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 01:56, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Looking for help
Hi, I have noticed you are contributing to articles pertaining to NL. You are doing some nice work, thanks for that. I have nearly 6,000 NL related articles in my watch list that I monitor for vandalism and watch as they improve. I would like to see a school class or a MUN history class take on Wikipedia articles as a project. I haven't done much on new material this past number of months. I will be willing to pitch-in, do you have anything specific in the article you have in mind? HJKeats (talk) 14:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Yvonne Jones
Hi there, when I received your message, I was actually in the middle of writing a response to the section you added to the talk page. Basically, I agree the information should be sourced or removed. It looks pretty much like a promotion of the subject, while at the same time, taking a shot against Danny Williams. If the comments were in fact made, than the onus should have been on the editor who added the info back in November 2009 to provide one. If you look at the original addition of the material, the editor used the term "we" when discussing the priorities. I find that strange in itself. Cmr08 (talk) 04:23, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I just checked the history again, and I was wrong on the date. The material about Williams wasn't part of the original edit in November 2009, it was added to the section at a later date, but that doesn't change the fact that its unsourced and shouldn't be in the article. I think you did the right thing by removing it. I'm kind of iffy about removing the whole section myself, but an argument could be made for the removal per WP:BLP. The section is discussing her views, but providing no proof that they actually are her views, but I'll leave it to others to decide. Cmr08 (talk) 04:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

GA Review: Andrei Kirilenko (politician)
I've fixed the remaining problems, however, you're problems with how the article is referenced remains invalid. Everything in the article is referenced, I just havn't put a reference behind every sentence. This is a totally normal referencing procedure, see for example the Nikita Khrushchev article, an FA or the Leonid Brezhnev and Alexei Kosygin articles, two GAs that I nominated. While it's nice you're reviewing articles, you should learn more about common referencing procedures by reading the Wiki guidelines if you want to continue.
 * I'll be blunt, either you stop reviewing the article or you start reading the Wiki guidelines properly and the GA criteria to learn how you review an article. --TIAYN (talk) 06:31, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It has nothing to do with "I don't like".... I've never seen an article use the very same reference twenty times in an article. NO GA has a reference behind EVERY sentence, of course, if it's a very short article that is something different. See other GAs, such as Vyacheslav Molotov, Anastas Mikoyan or the Nikita Khrushchev FA-article. None of these have references behind EVERY sentenced. But yes, either you learn normal referencing procedures. and if you don't, delete your review, I'll gladly wait another "four months". --TIAYN (talk) 16:09, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Fine, you're deleting your review or fine, I'm accepting the way most people reference articles? --TIAYN (talk) 16:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to say, I read your review and wanted to clear up some misconceptions. A citation follows the text being cited, so if an entire paragraph is being referenced by one source, it's sufficient to have one ref at the end of that paragraph. Likewise, if a single sentence comes from different sources, it's appropriate to place references either at the end of that sentence, or at parts which show exactly what is being referenced by each source. See WP:CITE. Regarding the date format, WP:DATERET states that there is no preference given to any format, and that it shouldn't just be changed unless there is a compelling national reason to do so. In this case, the DMY format is preferred. --Gyrobo (talk) 20:23, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Loyola Sullivan
Thanks for your note. No, I don't think the article is B class yet......not even C class, IMO. There is a typo and more linking to be done for C class, and I think more depth is needed before B class could be considered.  PK T (alk)  20:59, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Christy Clark
Seventh overall, yes, but only the fourth of a province (the other three were territorial premiers; they're chosen differently and have less executive power than a provincial premier does, so the distinction between provincial and territorial premiers needs to be maintained.) Bearcat (talk) 03:30, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

March 2011
Hello, I apologize for leaving that warning. I had an interface issue last night while patrolling for vandalism. I logged off shortly after the warning went out to you, due to the way my software was behaving (badly). I see you are now using the sandbox for editing which is great! Feel free to edit as you would. The warning is auto generated and was unfounded. Thank you!  «Golgofrinchian»  ∞talk∞  12:00, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Citing
Sorry about the long gap of time between the response and your notification. Aaaccc (talk), 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Dunderdale photo
Your comment on Kathy Dunderdale's edit history ask of the usefulness of the new photo of her. I know the photo is not the best photo of Dunderdale. However, it is currently the only photo of her that is able to be used on Wikipedia from flickr. If a better photo become avaliable then it can be used, but currently that photo is the only one. Aaaccc (talk), 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I feel the same as Aaacc, at least its better than nothing. I am wondering though, if supporters (like 174.116.120.203), will find the picture has been used to present her in a false or disparaging light. 117Avenue (talk) 00:29, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I hope no one feels that way because as a contributer I was only trying to get a photo for this article. It just so happens to turn out that this photo is the only one avaliable. Aaaccc (talk), 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I just find that the picture is very unflattering and she's nearly unrecognizable. Just my opinion though. Newfoundlander&amp;Labradorian (talk) 00:42, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand and agree it's not the best but currently it's all we got. If a better photo comes along we will be the first to use it, but until then the photo we got is better than nothing. Aaaccc (talk), 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I forwarded NorthernThunder's request for a better photo on the local File talk:Kathy Dunderdale.jpg page to Commons:File talk:Kathy Dunderdale.jpg in the hope that it would increase the request's exposure. – Athaenara  ✉  05:37, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Athaenara. It really surprises me how difficult it has been to get such a picture. It's bad enough that the legal restrictions get in the way. I guess nobody in NL comes to Wikipedia. NorthernThunder (talk) 19:23, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! – Athaenara  ✉  04:31, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello my friend !!
Pls look here User:Moxy/sandbox.Moxy (talk) 03:03, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok i will let you do that...Lets see if the GA reviewer thinks that's okMoxy (talk) 03:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thats sound perfect..i think the review wants the section gone altogether We culd incorporate whats left in the section  into  Public opinion that way it may look more balanced.  Moxy (talk) 03:26, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Fuck it - lets kill to birds with one stone..Y dont we simply add merger what is in the "Public opinion" and "Controversies" sections into - First term as premier and Second term as premier by date of incident.Moxy (talk) 03:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Nice example Moxy (talk) 03:41, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I would love to --but i am not at home (in the office - well my old office) and forgot my glasses - i cant see..I cant help later.Moxy (talk) 03:59, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

A quick question
Hi there, I'm sure if anyone can answer this question, you can. In Newfoundland & Labrador, is the post nominal MHA only used by current MHAs? Danny Williams article still has the MHA after his name, and if he also resigned his seat, wouldn't that mean he's no longer an MHA? I'm in Nova Scotia, and here only sitting MLAs have the post nominal MLA. Once they resign or defeated, it's no longer used after their name. I belive MPs also lose the post nominal MP once they are no longer an MP. I didn't want to just remove the MHA in case the rules are different in the two provinces. I know here, former cabinet ministers now keep the title Honourable, while other provinces don't, so its posible rules on post nominals could also vary by province. Any ideas? Thanks. Cmr08 (talk) 04:07, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll take a look around and see if I can find out. By the way, good work on the premier articles, it's amazing how much one editor has been able to add and improve those articles. Cmr08 (talk) 04:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Swearing in date question
Aaaccc (talk), 6 March 2011 (UTC)

St. John's
Politicians are better placed in rather than, and since the people category is itself a subcategory of the main city one, there's no real need for them to be in both categories simultaneously. Bearcat (talk) 19:28, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Unified login
Hello. Are you Newfoundlander72? Did you know that we have a unified login, which allows us to exist across the Wikimedia project under the same user name? Same names help users identify each other on other language Wikipedias, the commons, and more. 117Avenue (talk) 05:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador
Hi Newfoundlander&Labradorian, are you indenting to do any more work on the WP:GAN, or are you content for it to be "failed"? You can of course resubmit at WP:GAN at a later date. Pyrotec (talk) 11:18, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If necessary I could do the lead, but I prefer not to do it since it is potentially a conflict of interest (since I approve my own edits). The comments in Talk:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador/GA1 that do not have a ✅ or a ✅ are outstanding. I've just ticked on off (ref 29) since that reference has changed and is no longer a book. Pyrotec (talk) 16:30, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

I've listed some fairly extensive suggestions in the current GA review. As you and other editors apply corrections, I'll mark them with ✅. My suggestions for the Lead section may be a bit more extensive than appropriate for a reviewer, so I may ask another reviewer's opinion on the Lead. Folklore1 (talk) 00:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Please look at the "Important" boxes in my notes for the GA review. There are just four. Folklore1 (talk) 01:54, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Just one important box remains. Folklore1 (talk) 16:36, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Trevor Taylor
Hi, here is the link you requested confirming that the PC MHA, and the 2000 NDP candidate are the same person. Cmr08 (talk) 06:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry for not posting the message on the article talk page. I actually thought I was on that page, only to notice I was still editing your talkpage when I hit save. Cmr08 (talk) 06:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Dominic LeBlanc
Hi there, I just wanted to give you a heads up that I reverted one of the edits you made to the Dominic LeBlanc article. According to WP:CREDENTIAL, "Post-nominal letters indicating academic degrees (including honorary degrees) should not be included following the subject's name in the first line (although they may occasionally be used in articles of which the person with the degree is not the subject to clarify their qualifications)." It's already fixed, so it's no big deal or anything, I just thought you were probably unaware of the policy, and would like to know for future reference. As for listing the degrees after name in infobox, I'm not quite 100% sure, but I do believe they are allowed to be listed there. Cmr08 (talk) 05:51, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Ted Hsu
You got it right with your third edit; we should normally give pronunciation keys in IPA rather than trying to approximate a phonetic spelling in English letters, because dialects of English vary quite widely — there are, believe it or not, dialects of English where even "SHOO" would be interpreted as implying "show" or "sue" rather than "shoe" the way Canadians say it. And just as another example, try to imagine an article which gave a word or name's pronunciation as "rhymes with car": would that imply caur the way many Torontonians say it, or cair the way many Newfoundlanders say it? So changing it to IPA was the right step. Bearcat (talk) 16:41, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador
Hello. Please note, if you were not already aware, that List of tallest buildings in St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador has been transcluded to WP:FLC where a number of comments await your attention. Regards, The Rambling Man (talk) 16:21, 20 June 2011 (UTC) Comments are found here. bamse (talk) 21:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Nudge. If you don't wish to see the nomination through, please be courteous enough to leave a note there withdrawing your nomination.  Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll withdraw the nomination. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Harding vs. Hodder
Hey, I messed that one up good. When quickly glancing up at the screen, I didn't notice the different spellings and thought I was reading the same name. I'm glad you picked up on that, it was an honest mistake on my part. Sorry. Cmr08 (talk) 04:46, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I checked and found that I had also done the same thing in Mount Pearl North, which I fixed. Cmr08 (talk) 05:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Dunderdale
Hi! Thanks for adding her to the showcase, but I wanted to let you know that the Showcase is automatically generated by a bot. Just add WikiProject Conservatism to an article's talk page and it will be picked up by the bot. I'd like to invite you to join WikiProject Conservatism. We're a great group of editors and we'd love to have you. More info here. – Lionel (talk) 09:42, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

St. John's
. Pyrotec (talk) 17:14, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Portals
Ok here is how i tell people what to do.......go ahead and start i will jumpin were need be.Moxy (talk) 03:40, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

First we search to find the page we wish to create...we then click on the red link like this one-->Portal:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador and past in what is bellow..and save page!! (Take note to change the TITLE)
 * Step one


 * }

We now have to add codes to 2 of the e subpages to make the layout work! In the red link like -->Portal:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador/box-footer we have to add the code below.
 * Step 2

The next code is for the colors that you can choose ... we need to place the code below in page  like Portal:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador/box-header.


 * So your done coding now need to fill all the boxs with info  :) those red links...

Adding a second and/or third selection.... ok so as of now there is 1 box for each section selected  ...to change/Add more selection/a second box ... we need to Up the max=1 number to make more selections for each one that can do that... the code on the main page is --> {{Random portal component |max=1 .... So change |max=1 to |max=2 etc... save page purge and they will appear.
 * Hey N&L, when I created P:Right I used {{subst:box portal skeleton}} . Complete instructions here. Have a good one! – Lionel {{sup|(talk)}} 05:51, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Newfoundland and Labrador general election, 2011
Re: district numbers added to candidate tables. Elections N&L uses these numbers in some of their data tables that list the districts in alphabetic order. I find it helpful to have the district numbers when I'm referencing these tables. Tunborough (talk) 20:10, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Labrador Party
Do you know if the Labrador Party is still officially registered? They aren't included in the list on the Elections N&L website, but I haven't found anything that says they aren't. Tunborough (talk) 20:10, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Council/Guide
See WikiProject Council/Guide/WikiProject See also Template:WikiProject. And make sure to read over WikiProject Council/GuideMoxy (talk) 21:48, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure I do.Moxy (talk) 22:28, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request submited
Lets get this new taskforce on the main template so more will see - Pls see Template talk:WikiProject Canada.Moxy (talk) 05:04, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅- stjohns=yes s =   Moxy (talk) 00:32, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Peter Penashue
Hi. Can you confirm the pronunciation is correct? I changed it rather arbitrarily from something which had been impossible, but I don't know that I got it right, which is why I tagged it. (Pls answer on my talk.) — kwami (talk) 14:07, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks! I thought the transcriber might have mean that it's stressed on the na rather than on the pen. — kwami (talk) 14:35, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, so it is incorrect then. Can you spell it out in rhymes? And tell me which syllable is stressed? — kwami (talk) 14:47, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. Will fix. — kwami (talk) 14:57, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Please Help
Hello, I'm lost here. Do I need to register to post here first? If yes, do I need a pass for each individual forum or does one pass work all? I really like your Kathy Dunderdale, was it your idea? Cheers...

99.192.4.136 (talk) 04:05, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Latest polling numbers
Hi Newfoundland&Labradorian, could you please check the PDF file you added to Kathy Dunderdale's article with the most recent polling numbers from Corporate Research. When I try to open it, I keep getting an error message, but I'm not sure if the problem is with the PDF file or with my pdf reader. If there is a problem, the HTML version can be used as it's the same information, but if there's not, I apologize in advance for getting you to check the link. I thought it was better to to mention this just incase there was a problem. Cmr08 (talk) 23:01, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, my program probably needs to be updated. Cmr08 (talk) 00:18, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

PC external links
Hi there, I don't know if you noticed this yet, but every external link you added for the bios of PC MHAs are no longer directing to the bio link you provided. Each one is re-directing to the (newenergynl.ca) homepage. You've done most of the work on these articles, so I didn't want to go over your head, but at the same time I figured you would want to know about this. The party must have changed the url when the campaign began, because these links were still directing to the bios a few days ago. Cmr08 (talk) 02:27, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


 * There's actually not much to this, just a matter of replacing the dunderdale2011.ca with newenergynl.ca and the bios work fine, so I'll start fixing the links. For some reason when I click on anything on newenergynl.ca, I'm only seeing half the page, it's like the first half is missing. Anyways, I'm sure after the election, the url will probably be back to pcparty or something like that and the links will all have to be changed again, but for now I guess we just go with changes. Cmr08 (talk) 16:35, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, just wanted to mention one thing about the links. I will keep the link in the infobox as you have added them, but as far as I can tell, the website slot in the infobox is for listing the subjects official website. If the subject doesn't have an official website, I think the slot is just left empty, not duplicated with their biography page from the "External links" section. Many politicians do have official websites, so it's quite posible that some of these MHAs also have them, like (darinking.ca). Cmr08 (talk) 17:32, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

The Right Stuff: September 2011
  September 2011

FROM THE EDITOR

An Historic Milestone

 By Lionelt Welcome to the inaugural issue of The Right Stuff, the newsletter of WikiProject Conservatism. The Project has developed at a breakneck speed since it was created on February 12, 2011 with the edit summary, "Let's roll!" With over 50 members the need for a project newsletter is enormous. With over 3000 articles to watch, an active talk page and numerous critical discussions spread over various noticeboards, it has become increasingly difficult to manage the information overload. The goal of The Right Stuff is to help you keep up with the changing landscape.

The Right Stuff is a newsletter consisting of original reporting. Writers will use a byline to "sign" their contributions. Just as with The Signpost, "guidelines such as 'no ownership of articles', and particularly 'no original research', will not necessarily apply."

WikiProject Conservatism has a bright future ahead: this newsletter will allow us tell the story. All that's left to say is: "Let's roll!"

PROJECT NEWS

New Style Guide Unveiled

 By Lionelt A new style guide to help standardize editing was rolled out. It focuses on concepts, people and organizations from a conservatism perspective. The guide features detailed article layouts for several types of articles. You can help improve it here. The Project's Article Collaboration currently has two nominations, but they don't appear to be generating much interest. You can get involved with the Collaboration here.

I am pleased to report that we have two new members: Rjensen and Soonersfan168. Rjensen is a professional historian and has access to JSTOR. Soonersfan168 says he is a "young conservative who desires to improve Wikipedia!" Unfortunately we will be seeing less of Geofferybard, as he has announced his semi-retirement. We wish him well. Be sure to stop by their talk pages and drop off some Wikilove.

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ARTICLE REPORT

3,000th Article Tagged

 By Lionelt On August 3rd Peter Oborne, a British journalist, became the Project's 3,000th tagged article. It is a tribute to the membership that we have come this far this quickly. The latest Featured Article is Richard Nixon. Our congratulations to Wehwalt for a job well done. The article with the most page views was Rick Perry with 887,389 views, not surprising considering he announced he was running for president on August 11th. Follwing Perry were Michele Bachmann and Tea Party movement. The Project was ranked 75th based on total edits, which is up from 105th in July. The article with the most edits was Republican Party (United States) presidential primaries, 2012 with 374 edits. An RFC regarding candidate inclusion criteria generated much interest on the talk page.

The Honourable
Please see The_honourable:

In addition, some people are entitled to the style while in office only:

The Speaker of the Canadian House of Commons; Judges; Premiers and government leaders in provinces and territories; Members of provincial executive councils while holding office; Speakers of provincial legislatures while holding office; and,Territorial commissioners. Vale of Glamorgan (talk) 19:52, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dan Crummell


The article Dan Crummell has been proposed for deletion because, under Wikipedia policy, all newly created biographies of living persons must have at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. Eeekster (talk) 04:15, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

The Right Stuff: October 2011
  October 2011

INTERVIEW

An Interview with Dank

 By Lionelt

The Right Stuff caught up with Dank, the recently elected Lead Coordinator of WikiProject Military History. MILHIST is considered by many to be one of the most successful projects in the English Wikipedia.

Q: Tell us a little about yourself. A: I'm Dan, a Wikipedian since 2007, from North Carolina. I started out with an interest in history, robotics, style guidelines, and copyediting. These days, I'm the lead coordinator for the Military History Project and a reviewer of Featured Article Candidates. I've been an administrator and maintained WP:Update, a summary of policy changes, since 2008.

Q: What is your experience with WikiProjects? A: I guess I'm most familiar with WP:MILHIST and WP:SHIPS, and I'm trying to get up to speed at WP:AVIATION. I've probably talked with members of most of the wikiprojects at one time or another.

Q: What makes a WikiProject successful? A: A lot of occasional contributors who think of the project as fun rather than work, a fair number of people willing to write or review articles, a small core of like-minded people who are dedicated to building and maintaining the project, and access to at least a few people who are familiar with reviewing standards and with Wikipedia policies and guidelines.

Q: Do you have any tips for increasing membership? A: Aim for a consistent, helpful and professional image. Let people know what the project is doing and what they could be doing, but don't push.

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Infobox politician is only meant to reflect the affiliations that a person held in the legislature. Her prior history can certainly be delved into in the article body, but as far as the infobox is concerned we only care about her affiliations on and after May 2, 2011, when she was actually elected to the HoC. Bearcat (talk) 18:46, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

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Hello Newfoundlander&Labradorian, User:Moxy sent me your way. I'm trying to find out the intent of the new parameter stjohns=yes in. Currenlty, it places a lovely portal icon in the banner? It does nothing else. Specifically, it creates no categories for your taskforce. Argolin (talk) 00:42, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The parameter stjohns=yes should create (I think they're called virtual) categories. I use the ("virtual") category to compare against the real categories.  For example, I'll take the "virtual" Category:WikiProject Canadian music articles and compare against Category:Musicians from St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador and Category:People from St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador.  Anything in the second cat and not in the first, I need to add to the music project.  Anything in the people cat and in my first main music category, I need to move to the musicians cat.  I just did this yesterday.  Similar things can be done for the rest of Newfoundland, if we get the  modified.


 * The quality class assessments are done project wide. They are the same across all wikipedia projects.  (If you see articles with three/four projects do everyone a favour and assign them all the same class).  Importance ratings are another matter.  They're having template limitation issues.  It didn't look right to me, but I thought I'd ask first.  I'll post something on the discussion page.  Unless there's something else?  Argolin (talk) 17:58, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to have the importance rating, obviously the class assessment doesn't make sense seeing all articles will be apart of other projects. Newfoundlander&#38;Labradorian (talk) 18:16, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * To confirm, even if St. Johns' were removed from and given it's own project, you'd still use the same class assessments.  For importance, as a guess, it'll take the form of stjohns-importance=Mid; that is if the template limitations are not an issue for the separate rating.  Have you got an idea as to what you're going to define for the St. John's ratings?  I too have a problem with the Canada project:  everything is Low or Mid.  There is no mention of a separate rating at the discussion here.  Regardless, I think we need to fix your taskforce first.  Then ask for a separate rating.  Argolin (talk) 18:38, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I figured there could be a St. John's specific rating system. The Mayor of St. John's would only be considered low importance for instance in any other project but in relation to St. John's it would be high or top importance. The other thing with having the quality class assessments done as well is that if the table of statistics gets done, which will list all the projects, their importance and rating, then it would be easier to see which articles need work. Newfoundlander&#38;Labradorian (talk) 18:50, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I was trying to put you on the spot! lol Of course, you'll have to eventually post them at your taskforce. The Canada project offered a separate importance rating for me.  I intend to follow through.  I figured it would be better to determine what articles are assigned to the music project first, then go from there.  I'm sure you'll be surprised at the articles once we get statistics for you.  I'll post something to the Canada template now. Argolin (talk) 21:30, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Where is the stats table? Argolin (talk) 21:32, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok found it. BTW, there's no link from your portal to the project page.  Argolin (talk) 22:18, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Newfoundlander&Labradorian, there is a problem with the template. I've asked them to fix it. I haven't heard how long it will take. Has the taskforce been tagging/bannering the talk pages of relevant articles that are to be included? Argolin (talk) 04:01, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. Newfoundlander&#38;Labradorian (talk) 12:51, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I've posted another request pleading for a timeline on Category:WikiProject St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador articles Category:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador articles. The (redlinked/blue) name is my guess for the official wikipedia name for this Project/Task force stats table.  I am shocked that it has taken since Auguat 2011 to get your task force up and running. I am a member of WikiProject Canadian music.  If it were my place to apologise I would.


 * I've kissed the cod! I have officially signed up to your project.  My thing is music.  Unfortunately, I know how many of the "back end" wiki things work.  I'll stop asking you about things such as article alerts, picture requests in St. Jon's, and shouldn't your project be a member of Category:WikiProject Newfoundland and Labrador.  I'll just do it. I'll announce such things on the project's talk page.


 * Is there really only three of us to ask to do tasks? Can you post to the discussion page and ask everyone to offically sign up?  With interests?


 * So far as bannering talk page articles with stjohn=yes.  Looking at your category tree, there are ~500 articles.  No problem that can be done in a week.  I've more/less done Category:Musicians from Newfoundland and Labrador and Category:Musical groups from Newfoundland and Labrador.  Be aware the Albums/Songs category is not tied directly to Category:WikiProject Newfoundland and Labrador.  I've added a few that I thougt were entirely relevant as a discussion point.


 * Once the stats table Category:WikiProject St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador articles Category:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador articles is corrected, I'll be able to provide listings of what articles to add and which ones have been added. I don't know about the other artices, but for WP:MUSIC you've got to state in prose the year and place your band was established (not rely entirely on the originating field).  I entirely expect articles to be missed by you/me or missed because they were added to these categories later.  Argolin (talk) 08:44, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I finally got a response out of. The project's articles are in Category:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador articles which I've set up. I guess I have to set up the rest of the schema for the project (items in red). I'll advise when the statistics page is up and running. I've had to move the project page to WikiProject St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador. Any questions so far? Argolin (talk) 01:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I've set the stats table on the main project page. I've edited my post above striking out what I thought the name would be and added the actual name the Canada Template people set.  I've updated the project.  We have to wait for the bot to populate the table (24 hourish).  Questions, post to my page.  Argolin (talk) 11:35, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * It should not have taken three weeks (from when I started). You've been waiting since August 2011?  The delay is entirely Canada's.  I asked a great admin from the UK to help.  She helped me on the new class=Future.  Argolin (talk) 23:07, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

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List of articles to add
As promised, I've started a list of articles that need to be added. It's at WikiProject St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador/to do. I'll go throuhh Category:St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador after the stats table is done. Argolin (talk) 03:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Does it help when I put the category the article is placed in? I'm working on getting a complete list now.  Please advise here asap. Argolin (talk) 03:13, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Is there some reason you did not assess and rate all the new articles you added? Argolin (talk) 04:55, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

You're brand new to the assessments? You haven't looked at all the new categories that were set up. Goto Category:Unknown-importance St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador articles. I made it similar to the music one Category:Unknown-importance Canadian music articles. I jazzed up the category when I was new to wiki assessments.

Now, I use the page as my "home page". I go there first to see if any articles need an assessment/rating. Then I go to the project to check the article alerts, etc... I'm not saying you have to do the same thing. I am saying that there are tools and places to go for help. You've gotta know where they are! Make sure you go to the /Assessment subpage. There is a wikipedia wide definition of the classes (article & non-article). Don't worry too much about the non-article classes (Template, Category, Project, ...) as I'm adding them. Also there is the importance rating table as maintained by the Canada project. Feel free to ask any questions. If it's not clear to you, it's probalby not clear to someone else. You didn't ask anything so I thought you were up to speed on this aspect of wiki. Argolin (talk) 05:40, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey Newfoundlander&Labradorian, you know what? All that needs to be done is to check that the articles you added to the St. John's project are not infact class=Redirect.  If you need more of an explaination let me know.  Insofar as copying the class assessment that is/was there for other projects, I believe that's ok for you too.  There really is no one there looking over your shoulder checking everything you do.  Unfortunately, it is also a thankless job.  When I create articles, I always add them to projects.  It's too bad other editors don't really understand the importance of the talk/discussion page.  You'll get better at it the more you do.


 * I've added all the music articles for St. John's. It's not a problem for me as it's within my scope.  99% of articles that I assess are music; 100% of the ones I rate for importance are for Canadian music (and by default Canada).  I can help and do some of the assessment/ratings but there is only 500-ish of them.  When you want the remainder of the list of articles to add, please post to my talk page.  I am a new WP:AWB user and such a list is even easier to generate than before.  I'll ask user:Moxy to help with the assessment/ratings.  Argolin (talk) 04:12, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * omg, I forgot. Check the assessment log.  It is also at the bottom of the stats table.  Argolin (talk) 04:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Poll reference
Hi, I'm not opposed to this modification, as I think the article should not give importance to polls sponsored by the candidates (as opposed to independent polls) but, for information, a reference about the removed sentence is available on this website. -- Asclepias (talk) 23:45, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If it's in that source then use that source, your previous citatation to Paul Dewar's website did not mention that information. Newfoundlander&#38;Labradorian (talk)
 * It was not my citation. Me, I wouldn't even mention in that article a poll sponsored by a candidate, just like I wouldn't mention a poll sponsored by a political party in an article about a general election. However, because of your edit comment, I thought perhaps you wanted to use that information or you wanted to know it. If you don't have a use for it and didn't need it, then no problem. -- Asclepias (talk) 05:53, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador
I've just noticed that the St. John's discussion page is redirected to Newfoundland and Labrador (meaning you are both using the same one). When I posted the articles to add, I didn't state that it was for St. John's. Are you ok with that; is it what you want? It can be corrected/fixed whatever. It won't take three weeks or months... lol Argolin (talk) 23:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ I've removed the redirect. There are separate discussion pages for both projects. I've copied my post to it. Please for the love of, add the talk page to your watchlist.  That is one of the problems with Template talk:WikiProject Canada and why it took weeks/months to get your project up and running.  Argolin (talk) 00:21, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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LPC leadership race 2013
Hello User:Newfoundlander&Labradorian!

Sorry for my rash decision in trimming the candidate list, but that will eventually have to happen on this page. You yourself suggested that Carney, Nenshi and May weren't serious names. Dalton already has a job, and declined the chance to run federally, as did Scott Brison. I know that with some of them we are waiting for a final word as to whether they'll run (i.e. Justin) but others we should start trimming from the list, wouldn't you agree? Bkissin (talk) 21:17, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Carney, May and Nenshi are still mentioned in media though. There's been mixed messaging regarding Dalton McGuinty so I don't see why his name should be removed till there's something definite said in the coming months. Brison said last year he wasn't planning on running but his name is in the media still and he said recently he would decide over the Summer. Trudeau has also stated he doesn't intend to run but that he could change his mind, his name is therefore still included in the list of prospective candidates. Newfoundlander&#38;Labradorian (talk) 21:26, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

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Mexico City is clearly older than St. John's
Mexico City (founded 1325, entered Spanish possession in 1521) is clearly an older city than St. John's (founded somewhere around 1620). If you have evidence to the contrary, please cite it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.195.223.230 (talk) 05:22, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The IP user is right, even though English language sources usually say St John's is, though I'd venture most of those are Canadian sources and Americans might say Roanoake or Plymouth or somewhere like that. Mexico City is clearly older - and there are many cities in Mexico older, in fact.  I'll move this section to the bottom of the talkpage where it belongs on my next edit, unless you do it first.Skookum1 (talk) 07:19, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The information on the page is all sourced. Newfoundlander&#38;Labradorian (talk) 12:51, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know, I know, but sources can be wrong. In this case it's clear that they are, or were written under the common misperception that North America ends at the Rio Grande; it doesn't.  Two definitions apply, one is that North America ends at the Isthmus of Panama; another defines Central America as different and the division is at the Isthmus of Tehuantepec, which is the narrow bit of Mexico west of the Yucatan, and bridges the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific across the states of Tabasco and Chiapas.  Another interpretation, of course, is that aboriginal places weren't "cities" and though Cahokia no longer stands, it was definitely older.  This has also gotten me wondering about places like the pueblo cities where Spanish colonial cities were built around/atop an existing pueblo of the aboriginal peoples (the Pueblo people though I'm not certain of that.Skookum1 (talk) 13:14, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Just saw this.... This has been debated for years ,,,,but St. Augustine has the paper work to say "First city to be register as a city" *
 * Taos Pueblo, one mile north of the city of Taos, New Mexico, has been continuously occupied for 1000 years. Re St Augustine, the notion that Aztec city mandates, whatever they were, do not apply or that incorporation defines a city is highly dubious and also biased.  And if that's the case, the City of St. John's is quite a bit younger.Skookum1 (talk) 14:39, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Every thing your saying is correct somewhat - however when taking about  European settlements St Augustine seems to have been first...Yes StJohn's first English one.Moxy (talk) 14:48, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I just read the St Augustine article, early 1500s is the date; though it was destroyed and rebuilt at different locations more than once. But what I'd like to know, and is vague in the Saint John's article, where I just amended the disputed (and edit-warred sentence), not when it was first settled, which is what is given (1620) but in what year it got city status, which is the pivotal point of dispute, it would seem to me given the tone of that paragraph in the article...I'm still looking for the date of incorporation, User:N&L I imagine or I would hope can tell us that. And re SJ as Moxy observed, perhaps the qualifier "English" should be added to the oldest part; as this is clearly a matter of anglophone bias/premise. The St Augustine article mentions Seminole towns, those of us who know aboriginal history know that the Creek and Cherokee and certainly teh Pueblo and others had what can only be described as cities; Hochelaga, on the site of Montreal and now subsumed into that city, in the same way that Tenochtitlan and Xochimilco and Texcoco and others were subsumed into Mexico City (each of those three and their three or four sister cites around the Lago de Mexico were a hundred times the population of Madrid, London or Milan, then the largest cities in Christendom (the population of Constantinople under Ottoman rule at the time was vastly larger, but I don't know what it was). This whole discussion should probably be cut-and-pasted to the talkpage at St John's, and noticed on WP:Cities.  a List of North American cities by date of founding would probably be worthwhile undertaking, with a column for founding, another for incorporation or other formal date of establishment.Skookum1 (talk) 15:56, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

St. John's Demographics
Hi there. Thanks for the catch on my table-goofery. To be honest, the section still looks like crap, but at least it doesn't look explicitly broken (or have references to Windsor and Pickering) anymore. I welcome comments on what I've done, because I really wanted to clear out the original-research racialised data. If you agree (or probably more importantly, if you don't), please let me know. AshleyMorton (talk) 16:05, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I was just going to look at putting all the info in the same tables. It should help clean it up. Newfoundlander&#38;Labradorian (talk) 16:07, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

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I understand that this is not the normal way to ask for user rights but Requests for permissions is not set up for third party requests. This is a no brainier - thus  I personally am asking that this user  have access to the rollback option and the right to review pending edits. To be honest I hope one day to nominate this user for adminship....so lets see how they do with these rights please.Moxy (talk) 03:26, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
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 * Why can the user not make the request for themself in the normal way? JohnCD (talk) 16:48, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess they could - but I think they are not aware of the process (was going to educate the user on these tools myself). I am asking because the editor would be an asset with these "tools" and because they have had to ask others for help in these regards (if they had the tools they could just do it themselves). Not asking much here - user  history is clean and as all can see the user is a net asset to the project. In the past these tools have been given to editors that are trusted without a process involved....simply asking for the same here - that is  for this trusted user to get some tools. User rights are not big deal.Moxy (talk) 17:09, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ❌. Sorry, but I am not happy to give the tools to someone who "is not aware of the process". First, you should educate them so that they know what the tools are for, and when and when not to use them; then, if they think they are ready, let them apply for themself at WP:PERM . JohnCD (talk) 17:20, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand - disappointing but I understand - will get Newfoundlander&Labradorian to read over Reviewing and Rollback then apply at Requests for permissions. You ok with all this Newfoundlander&Labradorian?Moxy (talk) 18:41, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

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Hi there, I know you haven't been editing a lot lately but I thought you might be interested in this edit. I don't know if it's really the subject removing all the content, but it's the second similar account that has tried to do this. Should we just revert him? It appears well sourced and unbiased to me. Cmr08 (talk) 05:14, 11 May 2016 (UTC)


 * That bot edit was just putting the Reflist back in article, it looks like he tried to remove that also. I just reverted both, the article should be ok now. Cmr08 (talk) 00:31, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * "Otherwise 'popular' users often avoid heavy sanctions for issues that would get new editors banned."
 * "Discussions need to be clerked to keep them from raising more problems than they solve."

In the wake of Zarasophos' article editors discussed the AN/I survey at The Signpost and also at AN/I. Ironically a portion of the AN/I thread was hatted due to "off-topic sniping." To follow-up the problems identified by the research project the Wikimedia Foundation Anti-Harassment Tools team and Support and Safety team initiated a discussion. You can express your thoughts and ideas here. (Discuss this story)

Delivered: 09:27, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Project
Can we/the Wikipedia Admin leadership develop some type of editorial team to work on Commission of Inquiry Respecting the Muskrat Falls Project? NL19931993 (talk) 22:27, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Newfoundland and Labrador
I don't know if you are aware that there is a Wikipedian in Residence at The Centre for NL Studies, Mun Library. Rwood128 (talk) 21:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)