User talk:Newryheritage

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January 2012
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 * Hi John


 * It is interesting-- the few little things that I have corrected that were on WIKIPEDIA in error-- were overturned--, the use of Irish in Warrenpoint, Bessbrook and Hilltown - these towns and villages were never in Irish (the language cannot be used historically as they were never called these irish names and the usage of Irish names are now merely a modern interpretation and not historically accurate. Eg Baile Hill was never the as - Hill is a man that the village was named after - not town on a hill or town of hills. - so it is not correct. Bessbrook was built in the 18oos by the Richardson family-and never called An Struthan- there can be no book or booklet to say that it was called An Struthan as historically it was only ever called Bessbrook. And if Warrenpoint is merely An pointe- where is the warren part of the name. The use of these words and phrases are not neutral and are being used politically and does not help Wikipedia's validity.


 * While I realise there are many inaccuracies on Wikipedia, re-inventing history and re-writing history does not constitute the historical truth of an area.


 * Please see this gideline. It says that a town's Irish name should be in the infobox (with a source), even if the name comes from English. ~Asarlaí 13:44, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Interesting-- but not relevant-- only if the in the Irish republic - as stated below- not legal - as Source cannot be verified a legal and is inaccurate- the Irish cannot be used.(only in Eire/Irish Republic) Translating for the sake of Translating is not correct. e.g.Should Paris be translated to some modern Irish version or still called Paris? Paris it is-- Paris it remains. Newryheritage (talk) 20:04, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * WP:IMOS applies to the whole of Ireland, not just the Republic. It says that a town's Irish name should be in the article if it has a reliable source. That means it should be in the article even if it has no legal standing (like in Northern Ireland). It's the same for Gaelic placenames in Scotland, Welsh placenames in Wales, Cornish placenames in Cornwall, asf. A lot of discussion and debate went into making those gidelines. ~Asarlaí 22:00, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

NO, Not any more- Also this is quite a pointless argument- Why should someone translate a name that is only been around for 150 years or so into an Irish version - when it is not historically true (i.e. it never was Irish- Hilltown/Bessbrook/Warrenpoint etc). If you want to revert something to an original name which was in Irish, Scots Gaelic or Welsh is understandable - but if it never has been in those languages it is not accurate to change it. So this is a lie and being recorded incorrectly on Wikipedia. It states "if reliable source" then it should be in the article. So if not reliable the it shouldnt. Kilkeel which should be Kirkeil as stated in http://www.placenamesni.org/resultsdetail.phtml?entry=15234Newryheritage (talk) 20:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC) but is never used. But anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!! There may well have been lots of discussion and debate before making guidelines. Obviously the wrong people were debating it.Newryheritage (talk) 20:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)